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Ugly In The Morning posted:The Nazis industrialized slaughter. They wanted to kill entire ethnic groups, and not as like a side thing. The objective of the camps was to kill every single Jewish, Romani, gay, trans, disabled, or black person in any place they took over in as short a time as possible. Specifically because they were any of the above. Absolutely, and I think if you want to play as the nazis as a video game you should be required to confront things like that instead of just being a bunch of guys in angular uniforms with different looking tanks.
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Caesar Saladin posted:Absolutely, and I think if you want to play as the nazis as a video game you should be required to confront things like that instead of just being a bunch of guys in angular uniforms with different looking tanks. If you smoke one cigarette, you should have to choke down the whole carton in a day, smoke up Johnny!
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Aug 7, 2020 06:25
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nazis are completely inseparable from their culture of genocide and supremacy, its not something they did on the side its like trying to play as the zerg without the goop they have to build on edit: i watched Come and See recently and its got me all worked up
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Aug 7, 2020 06:31
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Private Cumshoe posted:If you smoke one cigarette, you should have to choke down the whole carton in a day, smoke up Johnny! If slamming down a carton in a day cuts down on the “clean Wehrmacht” myth, then sure.
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Aug 7, 2020 06:31
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Spreading the myth of the clean Wermacht by playing the Germans in Combat Mission. If only I had to make a decision or two about gassing jewish people, roma, or homosexuals, then I would learn, understand, and grow from this very important, very serious video game.
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Aug 7, 2020 06:45
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The more unrealistic thing is Nazi Germany being able to make any coherent decisions as a country. A proper simulation should be run with a meth-fuelled RNG.
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Aug 7, 2020 06:49
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*slapping the bag of grey army men out of a small child's hands* Unclean! Unclean army! You can't have those until you understand what they've done!
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Aug 7, 2020 06:51
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lmao children aren't playing with nazi action figures they don't have little 6 inch SS soldiers and play games where they are the good guys You're the one playing video games as the nazis where you're totally gonna take over the world this time because you're in charge instead of Hitler.
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Aug 7, 2020 06:56
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The more unrealistic thing is Nazi Germany being able to make any coherent decisions as a country. A proper simulation should be run with a meth-fuelled RNG. William Henry Hairytaint posted:*slapping the bag of grey army men out of a small child's hands* I’m not saying the player needs to be complicit in crimes against humanity, but a lot of media has put that whole untrue “only the SS actually comitted crimes against humanity” thing in there. There’s tons of people that idolize German units that committed war crimes and killed civilians as honorable soldiers and its gross as hell.
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Aug 7, 2020 06:57
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Meth and naziism are eternally bound to one another so it’s a disservice to assume naziism is a thing independent of meth. If a game features nazis they should have at least one scene where a nazi’s mask gets pulled off to reveal it’s actually a sentient blob of methamphetamine. And if you’re playing as the nazis, the most prominent character should be a SC1-style portrait of a blob of meth issuing commands to you, the player.
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Aug 7, 2020 06:59
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jokes posted:Meth and naziism are eternally bound to one another so it’s a disservice to assume naziism is a thing independent of meth. If a game features nazis they should have at least one scene where a nazi’s mask gets pulled off to reveal it’s actually a sentient blob of methamphetamine. And if you’re playing as the nazis, the most prominent character should be a SC1-style portrait of a blob of meth issuing commands to you, the player. That's probably as good a simulation of Adolf Hitler's thought process as any Dude was absolutely hosed up since at least the Olympics
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Aug 7, 2020 07:06
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Caesar Saladin posted:nazis are completely inseparable from their culture of genocide and supremacy, its not something they did on the side I agree with the sentiment I just want it extended to other genocidal cultures Like Hearts of Iron was brought up earlier but Europa Universalis has more than one Genocide Button and the game really just glosses over what's happening.
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Aug 7, 2020 07:06
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I'm reminded of Kaiserreich, a mod for one of those games which is basically Bizarro World War 2 where every country ended up with a completely different ideology, some of the options being rather niche and insane ones. I think Communist Germany is the more normal one while Anprim France is basically a race to completely destroy every aspect of civilisation in Europe before your ideology necessitates destroying yourself as a functional state.
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Aug 7, 2020 07:15
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Caesar Saladin posted:lmao children aren't playing with nazi action figures I don't think the solution is including the part where you get to run concentration camps in dumb games for ww2 fantasy nerds tho
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Aug 7, 2020 07:38
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The only good game that references World War 2 is Conker's Bad Fur Day, and it's parodying a bad movie for dumb WW2 nerds
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Aug 7, 2020 07:40
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HardDiskD posted:The SSG is good and all but the real reason to get Doom II is the new mid tier monsters. As always, Carmack was right.
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Aug 7, 2020 08:31
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Are people seriously arguing in earnest for wwii games to include a "gas the jews" button?
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Aug 7, 2020 08:57
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Sardonik posted:All these years after making this post I finally got around to making a longform video essay about my unpopular videogame opinion here. Holy poo poo I had no idea it was this bad I played through Bioshock Infinite and wrote off the story as trite garbage, like the writers really had no idea what they were doing, but whatever, triple A games often have low-quality writing. I hadn't bothered playing the DLC, but a number of people here (some in the Infinite thread, some here) have claimed that Burial At Sea somehow redeems the lovely writing in Bioshock Infinite. Clearly that was a lie because this is somehow even worse than the story in the base game, wtf?
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Aug 7, 2020 09:02
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ilmucche posted:Are people seriously arguing in earnest for wwii games to include a "gas the jews" button? >yes but only for educational purposes, and it should write it to your options settings and never let you forget it there IS a game that simulates the consequences of implementing fascism. it's called civ 5. the consequence is, Authoritarian is the shittiest capstone in the game and you're missing out on the amazing, unparallelled bonuses of Freedom. Fascist Courthouses provide +3  ? Who gives a poo poo! I have 20 specialists in my capital alone which effectively produces 10 and they have neutral food consumption!it's because the meth, the meth makes specialists unhappy. and it makes the ants inside of their eyes extremely hungry Fur20 fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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Aug 7, 2020 09:11
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ilmucche posted:Are people seriously arguing in earnest for wwii games to include a "gas the jews" button? yeah if you wanna play as the nazis you gotta be a nazi also normal people don't wanna play as the nazis to begin with
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Aug 7, 2020 09:12
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ilmucche posted:Are people seriously arguing in earnest for wwii games to include a "gas the jews" button? Saladin suggested that the player should actually have to face the atrocities committed by the superpowers that they're controlling. I brought up EU4 to point out that games should not have a "commit genocide" button that just alters the ethnic makeup of a province with no further comment; that game has several buttons that do exactly that, and if you stop to think about it that's pretty abhorrent. Likewise, HOI4 does kind of try to model what it means to be an occupying force during that time, but it gives the Disney treatment to the actual horrors committed in that era
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Aug 7, 2020 09:16
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wargames in general are propagandist bullshit and you have brain problems if you can play them without feeling disgusted
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Stunt_enby posted:wargames in general are propagandist bullshit and you have brain problems if you can play them without feeling disgusted sometimes you just want to play as the hawaiian empire and nuke the gently caress out of america okay if i can, i civ the way i sim city. i think a lot of hardcore civ players don't like this kind of play style but that's their problem. sometimes, you have to clear out an AI or three to make this happen. the game i actually want is, sim city except you start in the stone age and end up in the space age. but for some reason, people who make sim games just want to focus on one era, like "sim city but you're ancient egypt" or "sim city but you're ancient greece" but gently caress that, i want sim city but you're snot-eating barbarians building up a village in the middle of the wilderness and eventually become a major nation. i'd like to make that someday, but it will have to stand in line. still, that gives me many years to contemplate it and make it the best version of itself should that time ever come. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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Aug 7, 2020 09:18
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I want to know who was praising Burial at Sea because I remember when part 1 came out people going "well its really stupid, but its nice to see more of rapture" and then part 2 came out and people were like "burn it to the ground, death to sentience"
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Aug 7, 2020 09:26
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That new assassins creed game about vikings should just be you sitting on a boat for a week and then you get to land and all you do is kill unarmed people, enslave their children and of course the most Viking thing: rape everything
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ilmucche posted:Are people seriously arguing in earnest for wwii games to include a "gas the jews" button? yes lol
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The White Dragon posted:sometimes you just want to play as the hawaiian empire and nuke the gently caress out of america okay I think for the most part it's way easier design wise to focus on a particular era, culture and biome, the broader the setting the more abstract you have to make things. And you can get the Spore problem. Civilization is basically a dressed-up board game at its core.
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Aug 7, 2020 09:39
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Caesar Saladin posted:nazis are completely inseparable from their culture of genocide and supremacy, its not something they did on the side Come and See is right up there with Salo in terms of unpleasantness and "I kinda wish I never watched this".
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Aug 7, 2020 09:46
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I think for the most part it's way easier design wise to focus on a particular era, culture and biome, the broader the setting the more abstract you have to make things. And you can get the Spore problem. oh for sure. but then, when i say sim city, i mean like Sim City 1. these days everyone wants to develop citizen actors to simulate their working lives with processor-intensive 1:1 commutes, but i have no interest in this. i just want to zone districts, drop some roads and civil buildings, and see them develop based on how well i manage the surrounding area. it does entail unique graphics for every era, and that's definitely a roadblock. and you'd need to make complex events, and probably simulate defensive wars too, because that's part and parcel with human history. but it's also more compelling, at least to me, than a game like Banished where you spend infinite years as medieval agrarian hunter-gatherers and never get a single new technology throughout the entire course of your town's history
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Aug 7, 2020 09:48
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The unpopular opinions thread has taught me that Nazis are bad
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Aug 7, 2020 10:53
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the original xbox looked cool and was a good console in fact, it was better than the ps2
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Aug 7, 2020 11:07
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Shibawanko posted:the original xbox looked cool and was a good console Well, of course it was better than the Sony Play Station 2 home computer system; has anyone really said otherwise  Anyway, looks shouldn't get in the way of practicality and I want my entertainment gear to stack. Why even have a front-loading disc drive if you don't make the top flat?? (Otherwise the aesthetics remind me a bit of some-period Rotel audio gear. Maybe even around the time the Microsoft Xbox home computer system was current? Can't remember.)
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Aug 7, 2020 11:25
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I wish we all could just admit that consoles are just computers these days, they even have the same components. They're just prepackaged computers and it doesn't make sense that they have exclusive titles for each platform. All platforms should share playerbase, games and have controllers/mouse/keyboard setups that you can use hover you want
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Aug 7, 2020 11:30
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Fartbox posted:I wish we all could just admit that consoles are just computers these days Pong and derivatives (such as the Magnavox Odyssey home video game console) weren't computers. Pretty much everything else aside from a bunch of hand-helds always was and no reasonable person has claimed otherwise.
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Aug 7, 2020 11:36
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Caesar Saladin posted:Absolutely, and I think if you want to play as the nazis as a video game you should be required to confront things like that instead of just being a bunch of guys in angular uniforms with different looking tanks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuJn7hy_hg
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Aug 7, 2020 13:08
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wait, so it is good that you can participate in explicit genocide as the space nazis in stellaris, or bad that the nazis at paradox included so many options for space genocide??
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Aug 7, 2020 13:28
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mount and blade is the only good paradox game
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Aug 7, 2020 13:31
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Stellaris is the best present-day civ game
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Fartbox posted:I wish we all could just admit that consoles are just computers these days, they even have the same components.
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