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feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Should've been an episode where her DNA was rewritten by a gaseous alien being.

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Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Stealth Dixon Hill movie incoming.

https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1291910751062564872

Lotta racial slurs, extreme violence and cussing, i’d imagine.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
I’m pretty sure Mike also loves TOS and he’s said positive things about Voyager in the past. I’ve never heard either of them mention DS9 though, which is a real shame.

sponges
Sep 15, 2011

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I’m pretty sure Mike also loves TOS and he’s said positive things about Voyager in the past. I’ve never heard either of them mention DS9 though, which is a real shame.

They’ve mentioned it positively.

The only Trek I don’t recall them mentioning at all is TAS and Enterprise.

some kinda jackal
Feb 25, 2003

 
 
God drat it, I managed to forget that Disco introduced the idiot spore drive thing and now you guys made me remember.

Most uncool.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I’m pretty sure Mike also loves TOS and he’s said positive things about Voyager in the past. I’ve never heard either of them mention DS9 though, which is a real shame.

Here's Mike discussing DS9.

"gently caress Starfleet, it killed my wife... You killed my wife! You prick!"

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

xerxus posted:

People developing allergies to prosthetic is not uncommon. It could be as simple as that.

John Rhys Davies was horribly allergic to the prosthetics for Gimli while shooting Lord of the Rings. It was so much torment for him that on his last day of shooting, as part of his rap party the production crew gave him his final facial piece and an open fire to throw it into as a means of making it up to him and thanking him for being such a good sport.

So yeah, stuff like this does happen. IIRC, Susanna Thompson was allergic to the Borg Queen makeup for her stint as the Queen on Voyager too.

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

Martytoof posted:

God drat it, I managed to forget that Disco introduced the idiot spore drive thing and now you guys made me remember.

Most uncool.

Actually, I think you’ll find that the spore drive is awesome.

In all seriousness, I’m okay with it being this weirdo Philadelphia experiment-esque thing that gets shelved by Starfleet until the Discovery brings it back in full force in the 32nd century.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

HD DAD posted:

Actually, I think you’ll find that the spore drive is awesome.

In all seriousness, I’m okay with it being this weirdo Philadelphia experiment-esque thing that gets shelved by Starfleet until the Discovery brings it back in full force in the 32nd century.

Now granted, I've never actually bothered to watch any of Disco and I'm on the fence about whether I ever will or not, but I would have loved if they'd done a Pegasus style episode dedicated to what could happen to a starship if you seriously hosed up a spore jump. Because "Pegasus" got a little USS Eldridge in certain places... about as much as they could get away with on 90s TV I mean.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



nine-gear crow posted:

John Rhys Davies was horribly allergic to the prosthetics for Gimli while shooting Lord of the Rings. It was so much torment for him that on his last day of shooting, as part of his rap party the production crew gave him his final facial piece and an open fire to throw it into as a means of making it up to him and thanking him for being such a good sport.

So yeah, stuff like this does happen. IIRC, Susanna Thompson was allergic to the Borg Queen makeup for her stint as the Queen on Voyager too.
Susanna Thompson was a terrible Borg Queen and I was glad when they were able to get Alice Krige back

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

nine-gear crow posted:

Now granted, I've never actually bothered to watch any of Disco and I'm on the fence about whether I ever will or not, but I would have loved if they'd done a Pegasus style episode dedicated to what could happen to a starship if you seriously hosed up a spore jump. Because "Pegasus" got a little USS Eldridge in certain places... about as much as they could get away with on 90s TV I mean.


Season 1 Episode 3



HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal

nine-gear crow posted:

Now granted, I've never actually bothered to watch any of Disco and I'm on the fence about whether I ever will or not, but I would have loved if they'd done a Pegasus style episode dedicated to what could happen to a starship if you seriously hosed up a spore jump. Because "Pegasus" got a little USS Eldridge in certain places... about as much as they could get away with on 90s TV I mean.

You’ll be happy to know they explore exactly this in the third episode of Disco. Things end up...not pretty.

e;fb

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Renegade Cut has a really good recent video about how Voyager isn't that bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Sh0NAsHfU
It's problems are more wasted potential than anything else. I agree, and he thinks Tuvok is the best character and that makes him 100% correct in every other subject too.

I am hoping season 3 is splitting characters up so they can have their own stories. That's something I love about Beyond, the second act is almost entirely the crew split up, with different pairings than normal. It does need to be less the Michael Burnham show.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Doggles posted:


Season 1 Episode 3






HD DAD posted:

You’ll be happy to know they explore exactly this in the third episode of Disco. Things end up...not pretty.

e;fb

Ooo. Neat! And by that I mean :barf:

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Tuvok is fine but I never felt like his character changed very much. For me, Seven and The Doctor are the highlights.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

FlamingLiberal posted:

Tuvok is fine but I never felt like his character changed very much. For me, Seven and The Doctor are the highlights.

His clear an unhidden contempt for almost everyone aboard the ship is great.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



twistedmentat posted:

His clear an unhidden contempt for almost everyone aboard the ship is great.
The true audience surrogate character

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

nine-gear crow posted:

Now granted, I've never actually bothered to watch any of Disco and I'm on the fence about whether I ever will or not, but I would have loved if they'd done a Pegasus style episode dedicated to what could happen to a starship if you seriously hosed up a spore jump. Because "Pegasus" got a little USS Eldridge in certain places... about as much as they could get away with on 90s TV I mean.

"So we had five ships testing out the mycelial spore drive, the USS Curiosity, Insight, Pathfinder, Sojourner, and Opportunity. None of them ended well. Curiosity's crew came back from their test jump. The ship didn't. That was a mess. Sojourner's returned with half its crew complement; from what Starfleet Medical can tell, everyone onboard is a fusion of two of the original crewmembers and there's some debate about whether using the transporter to separate everyone is an act of murder. Opportunity came back and it looks like it aged tens of millennia. Nobody wants to talk about what happened to the crew; we just marked them as KIA and moved on. Insight came back just fine, but they have a whole bunch of PTSD specialists talking to the crew. Sounds like they saw some poo poo."

"Wait, that's four ships. What about Pathfinder?"

"We think it got erased from history."

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Didn't they say that as well as the crew getting twisted into blobs, the entire structure of the Glenn was distorted slightly when they came out of the bad Spore Jump, that was why they had to scuttle it?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Snorb posted:

"So we had five ships testing out the mycelial spore drive, the USS Curiosity, Insight, Pathfinder, Sojourner, and Opportunity. None of them ended well. Curiosity's crew came back from their test jump. The ship didn't. That was a mess. Sojourner's returned with half its crew complement; from what Starfleet Medical can tell, everyone onboard is a fusion of two of the original crewmembers and there's some debate about whether using the transporter to separate everyone is an act of murder. Opportunity came back and it looks like it aged tens of millennia. Nobody wants to talk about what happened to the crew; we just marked them as KIA and moved on. Insight came back just fine, but they have a whole bunch of PTSD specialists talking to the crew. Sounds like they saw some poo poo."

"Wait, that's four ships. What about Pathfinder?"

"We think it got erased from history."

Yeah, like when I think of worst-case outcomes for a spore jump, my mind jumps to like what happened to the Durandal at the end of Xenosaga Episode III. Just cleaved in two and torn and stretched apart by so many different and catastrophic spatial forces so hard you can't even tell it was supposed to be a starship anymore.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Civilized Fishbot posted:

Maybe it's been explained in the prior 240 pages of this thread, but I'm confused by the Orion character on Lower Decks. She doesn't seem to have any of the drive-everyone-crazy Orion lady pheremones. Are the Orions able to turn those off? Was she born without them?

I don't remember Orion women having super irresistible sex pheromones from The Cage or Whom Gods Destroy :confused:

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Peachfart posted:

Netflix almost killed piracy. The 10 billion streaming channels in existence is bringing it back in full force.

ehhh, I dunno about "almost killed"


Gonz posted:

Stealth Dixon Hill movie incoming.

https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1291910751062564872

Lotta racial slurs, extreme violence and cussing, i’d imagine.

...I don't get it, if Tarantino wants to make a gangster movie, why doesn't he just make the gangster movie? What's he need Trek for?

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Because he really likes the gangster episode of the original series?

runaway dog
Dec 11, 2005

I rarely go into the field, motherfucker.
I want a Tarantino Star Trek but I don't want that.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

4000 Dollar Suit posted:

I want a Tarantino Star Trek but I don't want that.

Eh, I dunno. Everything I've seen about Tarantino Trek has made me go "oof, this is a bad idea..." and it has not gotten any better the more I've heard about it. So hopefully they just stick a fork in it eventually and it never climbs out of Development Hell. I think the wind is officially out of the sails of a fourth '09 Trek movie at this point.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

I absolutely want Tarantino to do Star Trek where you have Kirk and the crew in a 30's gangster setting but it's not time travel or anything, it's a an Archer-style genre twist where you've just moved the characters into an entirely different context.

runaway dog
Dec 11, 2005

I rarely go into the field, motherfucker.

nine-gear crow posted:

Eh, I dunno. Everything I've seen about Tarantino Trek has made me go "oof, this is a bad idea..." and it has not gotten any better the more I've heard about it. So hopefully they just stick a fork in it eventually and it never climbs out of Development Hell. I think the wind is officially out of the sails of a fourth '09 Trek movie at this point.

I think it could be fun and I'd be interested in seeing how he might shake up the franchise, but I can't really think of a premise other than "one big holodeck episode" that would have me less interested, maybe if it's all being watched by fat Riker on the holodeck in the future, that would be worse.

Then again, on paper, a show about Picard tracking down Data's ghost and his progeny while meeting some old friends along the way sounds sweet.

and well.....

VV you had me at Sisko

runaway dog fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Aug 8, 2020

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

There's a time explosion and all the crews from all the shows have to join together across time to stop all of the time leaking out of the time holes.
Sisko is the one who saves the day due to not being linear. After the credits he pops back into the real universe about 5 minutes after his last scene with Casedy on DS9.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

ehhh, I dunno about "almost killed"

Netflix almost killed TV-show piracy the same way Steam almost killed game piracy. Which is to say it still exists, but is fraction of what it used to be.

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


4000 Dollar Suit posted:

I want a Tarantino Star Trek but I don't want that.

I don't want a Tarantino Trek, but this is probably the best way to do one.

Especially if it's just a random set of redshirts caught in the middle of 30s gangster bullshit and trying to get home, almost like Dusk Til Dawn but with gangsters.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Tarantino will have to be told that, no, as badly as he wants to, there will be no excursions to any of the patented Star Trek Nazi Planets™ in said movie.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Cynic Jester posted:

Netflix almost killed TV-show piracy the same way Steam almost killed game piracy. Which is to say it still exists, but is fraction of what it used to be.

Do you have sources for this?

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

Snow Cone Capone posted:

Do you have sources for this?

Overall BitTorrent usage and tracker statistics supports it, along with the decline of almost every other file sharing method.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


The_Doctor posted:

I watched LDS, I enjoyed it, I laughed, and I want to watch more. This was good setup, and the relationships between characters gelled really well. There were some decent jokes in there, and I actually laughed out loud rather than a mere sharp exhale through my nose. Bonus points for proper TNG beeps.

Same. If you go in looking for "Serious Star Trek" with canon, realism, etc you would have been disappointed. I didn't, I went in thinking it would be a funny cartoon for laughs set in the Star Trek universe, and I was fine with it. I didn't take it seriously and I found it to be pretty funny. It may also help that I've never seen one episode of Rick and Morty and wasn't even a big watcher of Futurama (though I enjoy it when I see it). I didn't have high expectations of it being as good or better than those cartoons, or get tweaked because it was too derivative of those.


Civilized Fishbot posted:

Maybe it's been explained in the prior 240 pages of this thread, but I'm confused by the Orion character on Lower Decks. She doesn't seem to have any of the drive-everyone-crazy Orion lady pheremones. Are the Orions able to turn those off? Was she born without them?

This is more Deltans. Orion women have pheromones which affect some males and make them aggressive and highly susceptible to...suggestion, but Deltans are the ones who supposedly make everyone want to bang 24/7.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I don't remember Orion women having super irresistible sex pheromones from The Cage or Whom Gods Destroy :confused:

Exactly. They were just always presented as "sexy" but really that was just because one was a club dancer in The Cage and they said they were "slave women." In Whom Gods Destroy she was sexy at times, but inappropriately so because she was insane. AFAIK the next Orion women we saw were in Enterprise where they subverted the trope by revealing the women secretly controlled the dumb men and only pretended to be slaves (?), and then in JJ Star Trek when the actress from Continuum was another cadet Kirk slept with but otherwise presented as competent and not oversexed.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Astroman posted:


Exactly. They were just always presented as "sexy" but really that was just because one was a club dancer in The Cage and they said they were "slave women." In Whom Gods Destroy she was sexy at times, but inappropriately so because she was insane. AFAIK the next Orion women we saw were in Enterprise where they subverted the trope by revealing the women secretly controlled the dumb men and only pretended to be slaves (?), and then in JJ Star Trek when the actress from Continuum was another cadet Kirk slept with but otherwise presented as competent and not oversexed.

The pheremone thing comes from that episode of Enterprise, but then in the mirror universe episodes of Enterprise, one of those women is part of the Enterprise crew and nobody is acting weird due to her presence.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Cynic Jester posted:

Overall BitTorrent usage and tracker statistics supports it, along with the decline of almost every other file sharing method.

Most people use usenet then share it to their friends with Plex, its all automated and easier then ever.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Cynic Jester posted:

Overall BitTorrent usage and tracker statistics supports it, along with the decline of almost every other file sharing method.

Yes, I'm asking if you have any sources for this, I'm legitimately curious.

e: I would argue that the decline of P2P stuff came about less due to a piracy decline and more due to the overall superiority of using Bittorrent over Kazaa, but again I dunno the exact numbers. Closest I could find was stats from 2010-2020, and those numbers show a steady increase, but I'd be interested in seeing the stats for like, 2000-2010 when Netflix actually dropped, etc.

Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Aug 8, 2020

Zaroff
Nov 10, 2009

Nothing in the world can stop me now!
I wonder if there’s also a drop for international audiences using BitTorrent - 15-20 years ago there were bigger gaps between US and non-US broadcast so there was more torrenting to avoid spoilers. These days with international distribution there’s less of a gap, and so less of a need to torrent.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
I can picture a mild uptick in piracy happening as more streaming services come along and gatekeep their content. People will be willing to pay for a couple of services like Netflix and Disney+, and then look at other series on services they don’t have/can’t get (no Hulu or CBS Access outside the US for example), and that’s where piracy fills the gap. “I want to watch The Boys, but I’m already budgeted for Netflix streaming, and it’s free and easy on BitTorrent/Plex, sooooo...”

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


It certainly seems like people don't torrent much, given how many endless conversations I see about streaming services not working/pulling content/etc while I'm just over here twiddling my thumbs and not worrying about any of it.

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