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kemikalkadet
Sep 16, 2012

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Lord Stimperor posted:


In recommendations, I just received these scales from AliExpress for the travel kit I'm assembling:

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/32991450273.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.57c54c4d3Oe01a


I got the 1kg, .1 precision version. It accurately returned the weight of a couple of coins when I tested, so it seems like a good deal.

I bought a set that looked the same as that one a while back and it couldn't handle heat at all. Putting a hot cup on it would make the weight reading start to raise on its own which meant it was fine for weighing beans/ground coffee but useless for pulling a shot with. It's entirely possible that the one I bought had different internals, there are hundreds that use the same body that are branded differently. I might have just got one with a duff strain gauge too.

I replaced it with one of these in <500g 0.01g range. It's been going strong for over a year now.

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Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

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MonkeyLibFront posted:

Due to the thicker papers? I have a v60 02 but I bought the 01 papers in haste, still fits but it's very shallow, also I went with the Hoff's add a little extra, grind a little finer method.



Yup, exactly

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer
I started my coffee adventure from this very thread 7 years ago and it's been one of the constants in my life. What's remarkable is that I basically bought some of the mid-tier items recommended in the OP and they all still work. Specifically, the Baratza Encore grinder I have has done about 2 cups per day for those 7 years and is still going.

Anyway, coffee is great. I love being able to make people good coffee when their high bar is Folgers. I think my favorite roster so far is Klatch. I really like some of Blue Bottle's offerings, but learned they were owned by Nestle, so that's problematic. I'm always looking for more to try, especially in the SoCal region!

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Little over a week with the Niche Zero.

Downsides:
Numbering seems to want to rub off if I touch it, so I'm not doing that anymore
Clear lid feels a little flimsy
Takes a while to grind 18g, like 35-40 seconds or so compared to 5-6 seconds with my old SJ
It looks disproportionately small on a table next to a dual boiler machine

Bolt that holds the bottom burr down and the NFC disk on likes to loosen up after a few grinds, which will effectively coarsen the grind. IMO, this should have been reverse threaded. I blue Loctite'd it and now there are no more issues.

Upsides:
Nice, fluffy grinds
Zero clumping
Stupid consistent when moving between grind sizes for different beans
Nearly zero retention
Pretty Quiet
Small footprint


I regret nothing other than not buying one in the first place. Listed my SSP Speed burr'd Super Jolly doserless for sale a couple of days ago.

BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Aug 8, 2020

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

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kemikalkadet posted:

I bought a set that looked the same as that one a while back and it couldn't handle heat at all. Putting a hot cup on it would make the weight reading start to raise on its own which meant it was fine for weighing beans/ground coffee but useless for pulling a shot with. It's entirely possible that the one I bought had different internals, there are hundreds that use the same body that are branded differently. I might have just got one with a duff strain gauge too.

I replaced it with one of these in <500g 0.01g range. It's been going strong for over a year now.

That is a good point. I won't put the cups on it (with a maximum weight of 1kg, I'd be afraid of accidentally ruining it). It's really meant to go in the luggage. On the go I'll just rely on the water indicators on the Aeropress. I'm getting roughly consistent amounts of water with them.

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Aug 5, 2002

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Canine Blues Arooo posted:

I started my coffee adventure from this very thread 7 years ago and it's been one of the constants in my life. What's remarkable is that I basically bought some of the mid-tier items recommended in the OP and they all still work. Specifically, the Baratza Encore grinder I have has done about 2 cups per day for those 7 years and is still going.

Anyway, coffee is great. I love being able to make people good coffee when their high bar is Folgers. I think my favorite roster so far is Klatch. I really like some of Blue Bottle's offerings, but learned they were owned by Nestle, so that's problematic. I'm always looking for more to try, especially in the SoCal region!

Just wait till you get into roasting! You think nah no way too hard - then you realize it isn't.

qutius
Apr 2, 2003
NO PARTIES

BlackMK4 posted:

Little over a week with the Niche Zero.

Downsides:
Numbering seems to want to rub off if I touch it, so I'm not doing that anymore
Clear lid feels a little flimsy
Takes a while to grind 18g, like 35-40 seconds or so compared to 5-6 seconds with my old SJ
It looks disproportionately small on a table next to a dual boiler machine

Bolt that holds the bottom burr down and the NFC disk on likes to loosen up after a few grinds, which will effectively coarsen the grind. IMO, this should have been reverse threaded. I blue Loctite'd it and now there are no more issues.

Upsides:
Nice, fluffy grinds
Zero clumping
Stupid consistent when moving between grind sizes for different beans
Nearly zero retention
Pretty Quiet
Small footprint


I regret nothing other than not buying one in the first place. Listed my SSP Speed burr'd Super Jolly doserless for sale a couple of days ago.

Thanks for the review. I might add this to my upgrade list when I get to that point, I like the small form factor.

Errant Gin Monks
Oct 2, 2009

"Yeah..."
- Marshawn Lynch
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Does a balance siphon machine make coffee any better than a chemex? They look pretty cool but i am pretty sure I don’t need 4 coffee makers.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

I recently ordered a bag of the first coffee beans that made me realize I liked coffee for coffee and not just as something to drink while studying in college. Unfortunately the first cup did not hold up to my memories. The beans looked fine but were bitter and there was not much taste to speak of outside “strong coffee.” Hopefully I screwed up the brew or I need time to adjust from my usual roaster’s selection. If not, I guess nostalgia wins again.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Democratic Pirate posted:

I recently ordered a bag of the first coffee beans that made me realize I liked coffee for coffee and not just as something to drink while studying in college. Unfortunately the first cup did not hold up to my memories. The beans looked fine but were bitter and there was not much taste to speak of outside “strong coffee.” Hopefully I screwed up the brew or I need time to adjust from my usual roaster’s selection. If not, I guess nostalgia wins again.

well, beans can change, of course. but try backing off the grind a little bit. what’s your grounds:water ratio look like?

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

mediaphage posted:

well, beans can change, of course. but try backing off the grind a little bit. what’s your grounds:water ratio look like?

Been going with 1:16 -1:17 depending on how carefully I’m pouring the water (using a clever dripper). I’ll increase the grind size this morning and see where that gets me.

Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

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Democratic Pirate posted:

I recently ordered a bag of the first coffee beans that made me realize I liked coffee for coffee and not just as something to drink while studying in college. Unfortunately the first cup did not hold up to my memories. The beans looked fine but were bitter and there was not much taste to speak of outside “strong coffee.” Hopefully I screwed up the brew or I need time to adjust from my usual roaster’s selection. If not, I guess nostalgia wins again.

Welcome to the world of better coffee - where it's going to take you 20 more cups to get that one cup that you liked.

MonkeyLibFront
Feb 26, 2003
Where's the cake?
So I've just purchased some coffee from a roaster that I've found who's just around the corner from myself. Ones been roasted this morning and the other was 2 days ago, is there a period in which you should leave it before grinding or do I just go straight in? it was a question I wanted to ask him but I was in a bit of a rush, also what's the rough time that it starts to turn?

Gunder
May 22, 2003

MonkeyLibFront posted:

So I've just purchased some coffee from a roaster that I've found who's just around the corner from myself. Ones been roasted this morning and the other was 2 days ago, is there a period in which you should leave it before grinding or do I just go straight in? it was a question I wanted to ask him but I was in a bit of a rush, also what's the rough time that it starts to turn?

Depends what it’s for. I tend to leave espresso for at least a week, usually about 14 days. Everything else is fine after 4 days or so.

MonkeyLibFront
Feb 26, 2003
Where's the cake?

Gunder posted:

Depends what it’s for. I tend to leave espresso for at least a week, usually about 14 days. Everything else is fine after 4 days or so.

Fantastic, it's just for Chemex/v60 brewing.

Niyqor
Dec 1, 2003

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MonkeyLibFront posted:

So I've just purchased some coffee from a roaster that I've found who's just around the corner from myself. Ones been roasted this morning and the other was 2 days ago, is there a period in which you should leave it before grinding or do I just go straight in? it was a question I wanted to ask him but I was in a bit of a rush, also what's the rough time that it starts to turn?

For most coffee I've roasted, I've found that 4ish days post roast is when they really start showing the flavor.

I've found it interesting to pay attention to how the flavor changes over time. Assuming you have enough beans and don't mind some cups not being as delicious as others, I'd jump straight into either roast and start noting how the taste changes over time.

The two day old roast probably will have more developed flavors than this this morning roast. If they are the same bean and you plan on making multiple cups today, I'd even suggest making one with each roast so you can compare the flavors.

MonkeyLibFront
Feb 26, 2003
Where's the cake?

Niyqor posted:

For most coffee I've roasted, I've found that 4ish days post roast is when they really start showing the flavor.

I've found it interesting to pay attention to how the flavor changes over time. Assuming you have enough beans and don't mind some cups not being as delicious as others, I'd jump straight into either roast and start noting how the taste changes over time.

The two day old roast probably will have more developed flavors than this this morning roast. If they are the same bean and you plan on making multiple cups today, I'd even suggest making one with each roast so you can compare the flavors.


Interesting, I'm going cold brew tonight as it's 30 degrees in my room (Japanese method).

I've got a kg of each, so plenty of beans to experiment with. I'll have a little play with them, I did notice the last batch changed over the weeks I brewed with them with no change in grind or brew method.

MonkeyLibFront fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Aug 11, 2020

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Oct 23, 2005

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You can also bloom for a little longer on very freshly roasted beans (say, 45 seconds to a minute instead of 30 seconds) if you are doing pour over or something where you can control your bloom time.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

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Munkaboo posted:

Welcome to the world of better coffee - where it's going to take you 20 more cups to get that one cup that you liked.

It's like searching for that one porn clip you vaguely remember from five years ago

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

Munkaboo posted:

Welcome to the world of better coffee - where it's going to take you 20 more cups to get that one cup that you liked.

Yep, I’ve dialed in my morning coffee over hundreds of cups using beans from my preferred local roaster. This was like going back to Blue Moon, the first non-keystone/busch/etc. beer I ever enjoyed, and realizing that, while it’s a fine beer, it’s not as mind-blowing as I thought it was as a teen.

1:17 and a larger grind size did improve the taste. Guess I’ll have to make another cup in the name of science.

Gunder
May 22, 2003

I saw an interesting experiment where a team from a roasterie did blind taste testing on their own espresso blend after certain intervals of resting. Almost uniformly the team preferred the beans that had been resting for over 3 weeks. Anything much shorter than that tasted harsh and overly bright.

qutius
Apr 2, 2003
NO PARTIES

Gunder posted:

Depends what it’s for. I tend to leave espresso for at least a week, usually about 14 days. Everything else is fine after 4 days or so.

Two weeks from when you roast to when you start to pull shots? That seems way long

Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

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Gunder posted:

I saw an interesting experiment where a team from a roasterie did blind taste testing on their own espresso blend after certain intervals of resting. Almost uniformly the team preferred the beans that had been resting for over 3 weeks. Anything much shorter than that tasted harsh and overly bright.

I have routinely heard espresso needs like 2 weeks of rest in the beans.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Only one way to find out: send everyone in this thread a bag of beans and we'll do a blind test.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Munkaboo posted:

I have routinely heard espresso needs like 2 weeks of rest in the beans.

i firmly believe this is old roasters tales. i’ve never had a coffee improve after a week and really it hits its stride after a couple three days


but also every bean and roast is different. if op doesn’t mind the waste i recommend just making coffee every day with the beans and seeing how the profile changes over time. notes are good.

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mediaphage posted:

i firmly believe this is old roasters tales. i’ve never had a coffee improve after a week and really it hits its stride after a couple three days


but also every bean and roast is different. if op doesn’t mind the waste i recommend just making coffee every day with the beans and seeing how the profile changes over time. notes are good.

Got me. I do know the challenge is that as it ages you need to adjust the grind to match so it might be hard to maintain consistency.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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Munkaboo posted:

Got me. I do know the challenge is that as it ages you need to adjust the grind to match so it might be hard to maintain consistency.

maybe? we drink all our stuff way too often to worry about that.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Democratic Pirate posted:

Yep, I’ve dialed in my morning coffee over hundreds of cups using beans from my preferred local roaster. This was like going back to Blue Moon, the first non-keystone/busch/etc. beer I ever enjoyed, and realizing that, while it’s a fine beer, it’s not as mind-blowing as I thought it was as a teen.

1:17 and a larger grind size did improve the taste. Guess I’ll have to make another cup in the name of science.

New thread title pls

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Aug 5, 2002

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So I've got an aeropresss, chemex, v60 big and small, kalita big and small, and a clever dropper... But no French press. Are they essentially all the same?

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

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Munkaboo posted:

So I've got an aeropresss, chemex, v60 big and small, kalita big and small, and a clever dropper... But no French press. Are they essentially all the same?

A French press would be different from all of those because it doesn't use a paper filter, so you get a much oilier coffee out if it. If you want something thicker with some mouthfeel pick one up! I don't generally prefer french press coffee but it would definitely be different from all your other stuff and they're cheap.

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RichterIX posted:

A French press would be different from all of those because it doesn't use a paper filter, so you get a much oilier coffee out if it. If you want something thicker with some mouthfeel pick one up! I don't generally prefer french press coffee but it would definitely be different from all your other stuff and they're cheap.

Sorry yeah I'm familiar with what they are and the flavors I just mean like what are the differentiators between the 10,000 options?

I've read stainless is the way to go https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00JE36GLQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_SCinFb7XDP3C3

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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

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basically you want something with a good ground pushy thing, and is also easy to clean. stainless seems like a good option because you cant break it

consensual poster
Sep 1, 2009

Gunder posted:

I saw an interesting experiment where a team from a roasterie did blind taste testing on their own espresso blend after certain intervals of resting. Almost uniformly the team preferred the beans that had been resting for over 3 weeks. Anything much shorter than that tasted harsh and overly bright.

That's incredibly inconvenient as that's right about the amount of time from roast where coffee starts to become a pain in the rear end to brew as espresso.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
I make about half a litre of French press every day for the missus and I

I got a 18 dollar(?) Stainless steel 700-800 ml press from eBay and haven't looked back

Everything unscrews for a deep clean

It has made so much of our morning brew

The Postman
May 12, 2007

I can't believe I never thought to check for a coffee thread.

Is the OP info on grinders still pretty solid? Specifically keeping an eye on refurbs from Baratza. I've been working with a blade grinder for a few years now and I think it's time to upgrade. I mainly do a pour over or aeropress and the occasional french press. I'm vaguely interested in making espresso down the line, but not enough that it'd really sell me on a grinder. Any thoughts on the Encore vs. Virtuoso?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Going back to milk frother chat

We've been using a Souvia https://www.amazon.com/Souvia-Automatic-Milk-Frother-Machine/dp/B0787F664Y for a few months now, and it does what I think is a good job, but the results vary a lot, depending mostly on (I believe) the milk. I've been going between like three different brands of milk (always whole) from various grocery stores until we found one that would froth reliably, but then abruptly about three weeks ago that brand just stopped frothing. It spins and cavitates and runs the whole cycle as normal, but then the stuff you pour out is just slightly bubbly milk.

I think it's because of some seasonal change in the milk producer. My roommate however believes the Souvia has suddenly shat itself, and he went out and bought what he believed to be a significant upgrade, the Nespresso Aeroccino https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/nespresso-reg-aeroccino-4-milk-frother/1061347038

And ... this thing DOES NOT FROTH. At all. Never. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I've tried the "good" milk across two cartons now, as well as two other brands, and a 2% version of the good brand. It looks like it SHOULD be working, the spinner spins for like 3 minutes and makes a nice whirlpool, but then I end up inevitably with just a couple ounces of hot milk.

I've read all the FAQs and gone through the instructions cover to cover; there should be no trick to this. I've cleaned the machine, I've re-seated the agitator, I've tried all the different buttons for different froth settings ... but nothing. It just makes hot milk.

I now have a fridge full of way more types of milk than I can drink before it all goes bad, and $200 worth of milk frothers that no longer work. Anybody have any ideas or insights into the grim world of dairy and the dark forces that have apparently sapped it of its ability to froth?

Deathlove
Feb 20, 2003

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The Postman posted:

I can't believe I never thought to check for a coffee thread.

Is the OP info on grinders still pretty solid? Specifically keeping an eye on refurbs from Baratza. I've been working with a blade grinder for a few years now and I think it's time to upgrade. I mainly do a pour over or aeropress and the occasional french press. I'm vaguely interested in making espresso down the line, but not enough that it'd really sell me on a grinder. Any thoughts on the Encore vs. Virtuoso?

Get an Encore and buy an M2 upgrade kit to get most of the way to a Virtuoso without the $$$, imo.

The Postman
May 12, 2007

Deathlove posted:

Get an Encore and buy an M2 upgrade kit to get most of the way to a Virtuoso without the $$$, imo.

Oh hell yeah, thank you! Their refurb shop expects Encore restocks next week, so I'll try to get on that.

Zank Frappa
Oct 16, 2006
Freak me out Frank.

Data Graham posted:

Going back to milk frother chat

We've been using a Souvia https://www.amazon.com/Souvia-Automatic-Milk-Frother-Machine/dp/B0787F664Y for a few months now, and it does what I think is a good job, but the results vary a lot, depending mostly on (I believe) the milk. I've been going between like three different brands of milk (always whole) from various grocery stores until we found one that would froth reliably, but then abruptly about three weeks ago that brand just stopped frothing. It spins and cavitates and runs the whole cycle as normal, but then the stuff you pour out is just slightly bubbly milk.

I think it's because of some seasonal change in the milk producer. My roommate however believes the Souvia has suddenly shat itself, and he went out and bought what he believed to be a significant upgrade, the Nespresso Aeroccino https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/nespresso-reg-aeroccino-4-milk-frother/1061347038

And ... this thing DOES NOT FROTH. At all. Never. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I've tried the "good" milk across two cartons now, as well as two other brands, and a 2% version of the good brand. It looks like it SHOULD be working, the spinner spins for like 3 minutes and makes a nice whirlpool, but then I end up inevitably with just a couple ounces of hot milk.

I've read all the FAQs and gone through the instructions cover to cover; there should be no trick to this. I've cleaned the machine, I've re-seated the agitator, I've tried all the different buttons for different froth settings ... but nothing. It just makes hot milk.

I now have a fridge full of way more types of milk than I can drink before it all goes bad, and $200 worth of milk frothers that no longer work. Anybody have any ideas or insights into the grim world of dairy and the dark forces that have apparently sapped it of its ability to froth?

I have one of the older nespresso milk frothers and there is a kind of circular spring that clips onto the spinner (see arrow below). It can be removed for cleaning or for less frothy milk. Maybe you need to use that if it’s not attached ? My one also won’t froth as much if I over fill it.

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Yes, that is attached.

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