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habeasdorkus posted:She's Fighter 5+/Cleric 9+, which actually gives her more hit dice than Durkon apparently has. That can't be right, can it? I thought she was low-level enough that she was having trouble hitting the vampires, I didn't think she was anything much over level 5 or so. I came here to ask how much of a threat she could possibly be to Redcloak, even with a giant hammer surprise round, and wondering how likely it was that she was even able to hit him with it.
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Assuming Thor's Might is Righteous Might, she'd have to be a level 9 Cleric alone to cast it, and it's been confirmed she's got Fighter levels. (I guess I'm not sure why she would have 5+ fighter levels, exactly) I guess the other alternative is that the hammer lets you cast Thor's Might like, 1/day or something?
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Arzaac posted:Assuming Thor's Might is Righteous Might, she'd have to be a level 9 Cleric alone to cast it, and it's been confirmed she's got Fighter levels. (I guess I'm not sure why she would have 5+ fighter levels, exactly) I'm assuming a bit of fiat based levelling a la the character nemesis. Minrah has been to valhallah and met Thor, after all, that's gotta be worth an arbitrary large bunch of xp.
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sebmojo posted:I'm assuming a bit of fiat based levelling a la the character nemesis. Minrah has been to valhallah and met Thor, after all, that's gotta be worth an arbitrary large bunch of xp. Not enough XP that Roy didn't tell her that this was out of her league and that they couldn't guarantee her safety. This was after she died and came back, right before they left for the last gate. The GITP forums thread links that comic to explain why she must be Fighter 5+, which doesn't make much sense, but it does imply that she has more Fighter levels than Cleric when she says she's a great fighter. I suppose Thor's Might doesn't necessarily have to be a 5th level spell?
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Aug 12, 2020 00:32
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I assumed Thor's Might was a domain power, myself. Not a spell.
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It sure is an underwhelming spell for a 5th level slot.
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Aug 12, 2020 00:46
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For some reason I always assumed Thor’s Might was like a 3rd level spell? Also according to the OotS wiki the current year is just the year according to the calendar not how long the world’s actually existed, although I’m not sure where that info comes from?
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A.o.D. posted:It sure is an underwhelming spell for a 5th level slot. Your weapons grow with you, and 3.5e has a whole convoluted thing about weapons larger (or smaller) than medium having scaling damage die. So you get the strength bonus, but also your longsword goes from 1d8 to 2d6.
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Aug 12, 2020 00:53
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Geocities Homepage King posted:I assumed Thor's Might was a domain power, myself. Not a spell. The vampire Durkon could also cast it, despite not at all being a cleric of Thor. Though I guess we don't actually know Durkon's domains. I'd always assumed it was Air/Good, but the Air domain doesn't grant Call Lightning, and neither does any other SRD domain. I guess he's got some kind of homebrew/splatbook Storm domain?
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Phenotype posted:That can't be right, can it? I thought she was low-level enough that she was having trouble hitting the vampires, I didn't think she was anything much over level 5 or so. I came here to ask how much of a threat she could possibly be to Redcloak, even with a giant hammer surprise round, and wondering how likely it was that she was even able to hit him with it. It is still D&D, though. She rolled a 20, or a 19, or whatever she needed. AC's don't get that high, even for clerics using AC boosting spells. A couple of levels of fighter and some cleric levels, then toss in a +5 weapon along with some size bonuses and she could hit even a dragon without a super high roll. She shouldn't be in an extended fight with him because her saves just aren't high enough, but an attack on what is a flat footed opponent for her is easy enough to do. Redcloak is going to survive it easy, but it stopped the spell and that's what Durkon needed to survive. Besides, it looks cool as poo poo and that's the super important thing for the story.
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Android Blues posted:Your weapons grow with you, and 3.5e has a whole convoluted thing about weapons larger (or smaller) than medium having scaling damage die. So you get the strength bonus, but also your longsword goes from 1d8 to 2d6. That's only increasing her damage from 4.5 (warhammer) to 9. (not calculating pre-existing strength, feat, or magic bonuses) Yeah, that's doubling it but that's not exactly damage worthy of a 5th level slot. It's barely worth a first level slot, and the damage resistance the spell gives doesn't make up the difference.
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She got big and hit the bad guy so hard. It was cool.
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My god the only difference between righteous might and enlarge person is some DR, and that enlarge person lasts much longer. Why would anyone waste a fifth loving level spell slot on a spell that can be replicated(BETTER) by a 3rd level plus a first level.
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Soup du Jour posted:For some reason I always assumed Thor’s Might was like a 3rd level spell? No, you are right. I'm not sure where, or why, I was thinking it's only been 1000 years. in this strip: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1140.html Thor says they are up to a few thousand years on each world.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:The vampire Durkon could also cast it, despite not at all being a cleric of Thor. Vampire Durkon called it Hel's Might. So it's likely just renamed Righteous Might.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Yeah. Durkon's line might stick in Redcloak's craw for a while. I'm pretty sure most of the people who have talked poo poo to Redcloak have gotten one over on him. He just always uses power to reassert his wounded pride whenever that happens.
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Aug 12, 2020 02:32
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Dr Pepper posted:I'm surprised Redcloak made the save when Dourkon cast Power Word Kill on him This is bait isn't it?
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ikanreed posted:My god the only difference between righteous might and enlarge person is some DR, and that enlarge person lasts much longer. quote:Enlarge Person quote:Righteous Might Compared to EP, RM is +2 extra STR, no penalty to Dex or attack rolls, and 3/6/9 damage reduction. Quite a bit better. RM is also a standard action instead of a full round, and is natively on the Cleric spell list (Enlarge person can only be cast with the Strength domain).
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Gnoman posted:Compared to EP, RM is +2 extra STR, no penalty to Dex or attack rolls, and 3/6/9 damage reduction. Quite a bit better. RM increases your size category, which reduces your AC and makes it harder for you to hit things. It increases your reach, but also potentially increases the number of squares that can threaten you, all without improving your movement. It's a very mixed bag, and not worth the 5th level slot. It's very in keeping with Skip Williams' tendency to sprinkle gotcha! bad options in the PHB. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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A.o.D. posted:RM increases your size category, which reduces your AC and makes it harder for you to hit things. It increases your reach, but also potentially increases the number of squares that can threaten you, all without improving your movement. It's a very mixed bag, and not worth the 5th level slot. It's very in keeping with Skip Williams' tendency to sprinkle gotcha! bad options in the PHB. RM also increases your AC however, (And it makes it easier for you to hit things.) It also gives you, your level in hp which is nice. It's not a super great spell, but it's a nice buff.
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Aug 12, 2020 03:39
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minrah looked at her bracelet and acted accordingly, it's a simple as that
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A.o.D. posted:RM increases your size category, which reduces your AC and makes it harder for you to hit things. It increases your reach, but also potentially increases the number of squares that can threaten you, all without improving your movement. It's a very mixed bag, and not worth the 5th level slot. It's very in keeping with Skip Williams' tendency to sprinkle gotcha! bad options in the PHB. Both RM and EP have the same size category increase, with one calling out that it has penal ties. Either RM is not applying size penalties, or EP is addimg additional penaltirs on to of the size ones.
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What if Minrah is actually attacking something under Red Cloak.
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Had to double-check that I wasn't in TVIV.
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ZearothK posted:What if Minrah is actually attacking something under Red Cloak. There was a pine sapling poking up through the snow.
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Johnny Aztec posted:There was a pine sapling poking up through the snow. Are trees always evil or just usually? If the latter, it wouldn't be very Lawful Good to kill a sapling...
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Nilbop posted:To be fair I think V instantly wins every kill contest, like, forever. Not for team good...
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Nenonen posted:Are trees always evil or just usually? If the latter, it wouldn't be very Lawful Good to kill a sapling... Just usually, we see heroic tree rebels who have died and gotten into Valhalla.
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Thor needs to be careful. If the dwarves keep on Believing he hates trees, he’s going to develop an actual hatred of them.
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habeasdorkus posted:She's Fighter 5+/Cleric 9+, which actually gives her more hit dice than Durkon apparently has. There's a 'fizzle' sound effect in the last panel, so maybe the spell didn't finish at all and Durkon looking hurt is just something superficial and not real damage?
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violent sex idiot posted:the dungeons and dragons mechanical bits do not matter This, this, a thousand times this. The only thing that matters is "Minrah cast a buff spell associated with Thor and attacked Redcloak, thus interrupting his powerful clerical spell". The fact that D&D shorthand are used to signify this doesn't change this. If we were going purely by D&D rulea Roy, Belkar and Haley would be dead weight, and in all likelihood so would Elan.
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Rich doesn't consider himself obligated to 100% stick to the mechanical bits, but it's a lie to say they don't matter, he quite clearly still almost entirely sticks to them.
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paradoxGentleman posted:and in all likelihood so would Elan. With a high Charisma + Diplomacy score wouldn't Elan be able to just do a small speech and have kingdoms worth of rabid followers, ready to die for his cause?
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Dr Pepper posted:I'm surprised Redcloak made the save when Dourkon cast Power Word Kill on him It was clearly Dominate Person
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Combust, because that was one sick burn.
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A.o.D. posted:RM increases your size category, which reduces your AC and makes it harder for you to hit things. It increases your reach, but also potentially increases the number of squares that can threaten you, all without improving your movement. It's a very mixed bag, and not worth the 5th level slot. It's very in keeping with Skip Williams' tendency to sprinkle gotcha! bad options in the PHB. It's not an amazing spell, but in terms of PHB cleric spells (that aren't domain spells), it's one of their few options for dealing damage at 5th level. It works out at like...9 extra HP, -1 AC, DR 3, +1 to Fort saves, +1 to hit, and +7 damage for your average cleric with a one-handed weapon. Add that together for the duration of a combat, and it's respectable. Less so if you're also spending standard actions to heal people or cast other spells, though. But if you want to engage in the 3.5e melee combat game, it's solid enough. Your other options for dealing damage with 5th level spells are, like, Flamestrike and Mass Inflict Light Wounds. Flamestrike deals big damage, but it can hit your allies, while Mass Inflict just does a flat 1d8+9. I guess there's also Summon Monster V? That's probably the right choice, because action economy in 3.5e is broken as hell. But it's not as if Righteous Might is awful.
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Your self-buffing melee beatdown spell options start dwindling past level 7 or so as a cleric.
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Also, Minrah has fighter levels, so Righteous Might is probably more effective at magnifying her melee damage than it would be for your average cleric. If she's actually a Fighter 5/Cleric 9 (which seems high?) she has three attacks per round if she's able to sit there and whack at things.
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