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This whole time I'd been assuming it was because of a really good school system and a country full of people who took education and learning languages seriously. I'm not sure how to feel finding out the answer is "subtitled TV and movies" lol, I guess I'm still impressed just in a different way
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Aug 14, 2020 17:07
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If that's the case then my Japanese accent must sound authentic as gently caress
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Aug 14, 2020 17:08
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Aug 14, 2020 17:16
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I have a Mexican friend whose English is good and a Puerto Rican friend whose English is nearly native, and the answer for both of them is TV. I don't think either of them got more than rudimentary English education in school (which seems odd for PR) my Spanish is rudimentary at best. maybe I should start watching El Chapulin Colorado....  edit: a lot of the Simpsons for both friends, come to think of it, in both languages. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S5OrdhY1n9Y Empty Sandwich has a new favorite as of 17:22 on Aug 14, 2020 |
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Aug 14, 2020 17:19
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Aug 14, 2020 17:37
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Aug 14, 2020 17:37
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Catpain Slack posted:As for the vaguely American accent, it's because speaking with a British accent makes you sound like an upper-class twit. I definitely think there should be an effort to go around teaching English to people with various regional british accents. Just because it would be funny to teach people a horrible language that they also can't use to communicate with any of the other people who speak it 
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Aug 14, 2020 17:43
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Imagining a foundation that funds tutors to go around the world and teach kids Glaswegian
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Aug 14, 2020 17:46
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:This whole time I'd been assuming it was because of a really good school system and a country full of people who took education and learning languages seriously. I'm not sure how to feel finding out the answer is "subtitled TV and movies" lol, I guess I'm still impressed just in a different way Here's a revelation for you: it's both. It's what happens when you learn the basics in school and 90% of your consumed media is in english with subtitles.
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Aug 14, 2020 17:59
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Aug 14, 2020 18:02
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Aug 14, 2020 18:09
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The Bloop posted:Autopsies are only done on your own species (auto), Vets do Necropsies OOOOH SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET auto = self, opsis = sight autopsy = seeing something for yourself (as in, with your own eyes) Son of Thunderbeast posted:This whole time I'd been assuming it was because of a really good school system and a country full of people who took education and learning languages seriously. I'm not sure how to feel finding out the answer is "subtitled TV and movies" lol, I guess I'm still impressed just in a different way Coincidentally this is why Swedish and Dutch people are somewhat better at English than German people. Germany still has very good public education so their English isn't bad - but they have a tradition of dubbing their TV and movies, so kids' exposure to English language movies with German subtitles is close to zero.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:12
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OwlFancier posted:I definitely think there should be an effort to go around teaching English to people with various regional british accents. Best (most entertaining) accent I ever heard was a German tour guide who'd learned English with an Irish accent. And it was one of those "spooky medieval city" tours so he was hamming it up in character.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:17
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Carbon dioxide posted:OOOOH SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET Ah cool, thanks. Always glad to be de-dumbassed. Wish I could remember where I "learned" that
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Aug 14, 2020 18:18
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Wait so if the US won the cultural hegemony victory why is the game still going.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:28
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RFC2324 posted:I really want to find some culture that picked up cockney English as British instead of that posh bullshit Rural American English is said to be more like what English accents used to be before everyone started imitating the upper class.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:29
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zoux posted:Wait so if the US won the cultural hegemony victory why is the game still going. We live in a Yoko Taro game and we're going for the B ending where everything turns out very grim
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Aug 14, 2020 18:29
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Heath posted:We live in a Yoko Taro game and we're going for the B ending where everything turns out very grim Cool, well we're doing great.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:30
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zoux posted:Wait so if the US won the cultural hegemony victory why is the game still going. Post game cheevos
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Aug 14, 2020 18:33
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:This whole time I'd been assuming it was because of a really good school system and a country full of people who took education and learning languages seriously. I'm not sure how to feel finding out the answer is "subtitled TV and movies" lol, I guess I'm still impressed just in a different way To be fair some of it is probably the education. A bunch of small countries with their own languages have realized that nobody is going to learn their language, so they have to teach their kids one or another lingua franca if they want them to be able to do things like study abroad, travel, read foreign books, engage in trade, whatever. Nobody outside Sweden is learning Swedish, so Swedes learn English in school because English lets them take part in all kinds of global exchange. If you're born in the US and grow up speaking English, there's much less incentive because you already have access to all the global exchange facilitated by your native language being the contemporary world's dominant language. And then of course, the cultural and linguistic hegemony of English means that there's tons of cultural content created in English, which helps reinforce learning through things like subtitled TV and movies, or reading English-language literature that hasn't been translated into your native tongue, or listening to English-language music, and so on. Whereas if you grow up speaking English you tend to have much less daily exposure to foreign-language media unless you actively seek it out. So the two things sort of feed on and reinforce one another.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:34
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zoux posted:Wait so if the US won the cultural hegemony victory why is the game still going.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:09
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Aug 14, 2020 19:09
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lol if you think Ben Shapiro even tries to please his wife. Sex is a procreative act only.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:15
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Aug 14, 2020 19:25
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Catpain Slack posted:As for the vaguely American accent, it's because speaking with a British accent makes you sound like an upper-class twit. Everyone should learn English by watching re-runs of byker grove.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:26
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Heath posted:We live in a Yoko Taro game and we're going for the B ending where everything turns out very grim Oh boy I can't wait for C and D.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:31
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Rural American English is said to be more like what English accents used to be before everyone started imitating the upper class. A lot of English accents are still like that, you just don't see them on TV much, because most actors are posh londoners.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:42
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OwlFancier posted:A lot of English accents are still like that, you just don't see them on TV much, because most actors are posh londoners. Every British character in film and television should have Danny Dyer's accent.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:47
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I mean.. working class london is slightly better but it'd be like if every american on TV sounded like a fat noo yoaker.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:51
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Imagining a foundation that funds tutors to go around the world and teach kids Glaswegian You don't need to imagine - just watch footballers being interviewed If Glasgow is the first place someone has played outside their home country, they always sound brilliant, and have lots of wee Weegie affectations
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Aug 14, 2020 19:56
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OwlFancier posted:A lot of English accents are still like that, you just don't see them on TV much, because most actors are posh londoners. Received pronunciation is seen as the standard 'British' accent and even British actors who arn't from the South East learn to imitate it if they want to get any work outside of the UK. Regional accents simply don't exist outside of UK telly, if you don't sound like you're doing a pride and prejudice impression then its not a British accent as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
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Aug 14, 2020 20:14
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OwlFancier posted:I mean.. working class london is slightly better but it'd be like if every american on TV sounded like a fat noo yoaker. My biggest peeve about It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World tbh It takes place in LA fergodsakes Borscht Belt comics as far as the eye can see
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Aug 14, 2020 20:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdzZXibW3B8 You have to concentrate to understand it and I live there lol. I imagine it's probably about as incomprehensible to most people as that clip of the aussie guy yelling at the lightning.
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Aug 14, 2020 20:18
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Aug 14, 2020 20:23
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OwlFancier posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdzZXibW3B8 Nah I speak Sean Bean
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Aug 14, 2020 20:23
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holy poo poo, it works
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Aug 14, 2020 20:26
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Me trying to unify communists and anarchists
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