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NO guys, the person sized gate the elves want and the jump gates are unrelated. The Millenium Federation send the traveler out and they build a jump gate on the other side, or they make first contact, jump back, then a second ship goes to make the gate. See, ship gate. What is happening at the end of this comic is that the traveller did a move that risks permanently stranding them (since they can't do their skip jumps) except they ahve a little person gate by luck that lets them bring supplies to fix the ship through. 2 gates are unrelated.
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My issue is that the ancient jumpgates, presumably built by the Zel Gux, are all on the ground and human sized. It seems a little pointless that the Zel Gux built them that way when the thing you'd want to transport is a ship.
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Aug 14, 2020 02:35
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Rotten Red Rod posted:My issue is that the ancient jumpgates, presumably built by the Zel Gux, are all on the ground and human sized. It seems a little pointless that the Zel Gux built them that way when the thing you'd want to transport is a ship. Seeing as how only one city palace contained one of these and it linked to planet with not apparent connection to Zel Gux beyond the gate, one wonders why they built this gate at all. Good thing that's where the story was going next thought! Wouldn't want to have left that gate a mystery to tantalize until it was revisited later.
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Aug 14, 2020 02:42
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Rotten Red Rod posted:My issue is that the ancient jumpgates, presumably built by the Zel Gux, are all on the ground and human sized. It seems a little pointless that the Zel Gux built them that way when the thing you'd want to transport is a ship. I could almost see a justification if the gates were built in the late stages of an empire where scarcity and the large-scale movement of resources is no longer a concern but free movement between planets was. But there's no indication that that's the case.
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Aug 14, 2020 04:54
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On another note, I do find it funny that Danica gets a power upgrade for no reason after literally never doing any of the duties of a starpowered sentinel. As an SPS, she has - blown up some mercenaries, totally owned a blue alien with her sick read of how much the alien wasn't a threat, blown up some more mercenaries, and went on a indiana jones fantasy cruise around a star system. It's so weird to see these superhero tropes play out for a character who has done literally nothing superhero like.
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Aug 14, 2020 05:19
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PetraCore posted:I don't actually think Mookie is a bad person (or rather, I have no reason to believe he is), but it's amazing to me that a man with such passion for telling stories is so bad at storytelling and narrative critical thinking. I mean, lord knows it's not just possibly but likely for people to have more complex ideas than they actually have the skill to write and thus stumble all over that, especially when they start out, but he's been doing this for so long that's not really the problem. He's just... he doesn't want to dig deeper. And yet, he's clearly enjoying himself. I’ve flirted on and off again with creative writing, and... yeah, figuring out what central themes and questions I’d want to establish and ask with my work is one of my biggest stumbling blocks (which isn’t helped by me being godawful at identifying them without being explicitly told what they are in the stories I read  ). But looking on at Starpower, Deegan, and all of the other works I’ve consumed over my life that barely even rise to surface-level analyses of their themes, I’ve come to see how those critical elements are necessary to make a story great....Well, that, or you have to be really drat good at your presentation of it.
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Aug 14, 2020 08:06
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Who What Now posted:I could almost see a justification if the gates were built in the late stages of an empire where scarcity and the large-scale movement of resources is no longer a concern but free movement between planets was. But there's no indication that that's the case. As a clandestine renegade outcast thing, it can make sense to build small person-sized gates on planets where they'll be more difficult to notice than huge ship-sized gates in space. Insurgents can travel from world to world using the secret gate network, allowing them to gather resources and intelligence undetected. But I do not think Mookie thought about it that much. These gates existed for plot reason, there was zero gently caress given to why they were built or the consequences of their existence.
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Aug 14, 2020 12:11
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Also: there are presumably more than two gates around, and there's no evidence of a dialing system. Maybe it's Mitch who dials, but he just happened to make a newly discovered gate connect to the only other one that had been discovered until then? Out of a network of likely dozens, if not hundreds, of gates?
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Aug 14, 2020 12:38
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Let's just be careful that this doesn't go the route of Dobson or... Uh, the -guy-who-did-Loss-and-who's-name-I-can't-remember-and-can't-be-arsed-to-look-up threads.
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Aug 14, 2020 12:45
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Should be fine as long as it's just the blog posts where he talks about his "writing" "process" and not much into personal stuff. From what personal stuff bleeds out into his writing he's not the utter train wreck of a person Dobson is anyway.
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Aug 14, 2020 13:22
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Tim Buckley isn't a hack like Mookie. He's actually trying to deal with real issues in his superhero comic: https://twitter.com/RequineGG/status/1293957655946502144 E: Not even joking though this stuff is better than anything Mookie has written in terms of actual stakes or characters. 
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Aug 14, 2020 15:56
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Yes it has all those things but it still makes my eyes want to boil.
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Aug 14, 2020 16:06
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It's better than anything Mookie has made, sure, but it's still pretty bad.
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Aug 14, 2020 16:12
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Obviously being shady doesn't translate well over text. I'm saying "Mookie, Buckley writes better stories". Can there be a worse insult to a webcomic author.
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Aug 14, 2020 16:16
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The Little Death posted:Can there be a worse insult to a webcomic author. Dobson
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Aug 14, 2020 16:18
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"Moon Over June has better porn"
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Aug 14, 2020 16:23
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The difference is that Mookie is a bad writer, but not an actually bad person. He comes across as an emotionally arrested man-child, but there’s no malevolence in him. He’s harmless, and he’s doing what he enjoys, and he’s been semi-successful at it. We should all be so lucky. Dobson was absolutely toxic to talk about or even think about.
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Aug 14, 2020 16:28
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Mookie could absolutely be a toxic person. We don't know he's not. We don't know HE is, either, but we can't make that judgement based on what we know. His social rejections are heartbreaking, but they also could have happened for a reason. The person I described before didn't seem toxic at first either, but he absolutely was, over time. He seemed happy-go-lucky until you challenged him on his beliefs or indicated you wanted to talk about something other than Star Wars, and then he would sulk and guilt trip you hard. By the time college ended I had a few friends who couldn't stand to be around him unless I was there, because I was the only one willing to call him on his poo poo - and these were people who considered him one of their best friends, once. I hope he's (my college friend, not Mookie) gotten better and grown up, because he honestly seemed like a nice person at times. He seems more well-adjusted now, from what I see on Facebook. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Aug 14, 2020 |
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Aug 14, 2020 16:57
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To me the interest in who Mookie is as a person stops and ends at the stories he's created. His personality and beliefs bleed into his work just like it would any creator, it's just for him it comes off as largely unintentional. Things like the blog posts are interesting because it lets you compare what he intended with what he conveyed, not to dissect every aspect of his personal life. I mean I've never even talked to the guy. It's easy to extrapolate what Mookie's like since his stories are often so personal, but it's all just theory. If there's an interview or blog post where he talks about a personal belief or experience that influenced a story? Yeah I'd like to see that, but I don't need to know how he felt about wholly personal events like his kid's dance recital or something. This isn't Criminal Minds.
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Aug 14, 2020 17:44
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lol that ctrl+alt+del is still going and it's turned into that
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Aug 14, 2020 17:48
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Yeah. There are a few things that are unavoidable, but I really don't want to touch anything involving his family. I'm just saying we don't know if he's a good OR bad person.
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Aug 14, 2020 17:49
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You'll be fine. Mookie occasionally went into detail on what kind of vegan pizza he was having on the blog, but he didn't discuss Mrs. Mookie or the Mooklet. He wrote a heroic rapist. We know he's a bad person. But you don't need to worry about touching the poop because he really doesn't talk much about his personal life on the blog. Thanks again for doing the deep dive.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:02
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Invisible Clergy posted:he didn't discuss Mrs. Mookie or the Mooklet. He does all these, actually, in the Star Power blog, although I don't know to what degree as I've been skipping over those. There's quite a lot of personal stuff in there.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:06
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Rotten Red Rod posted:He does, actually, in the Star Power blog, although I don't know to what degree as I've been skipping over those. There's quite a lot of personal stuff in there. Please excuse me. I have not read Star Power prior to now. I was referring to Original Recipe Dominic Deegan's blog. My point was, there is plenty of material re: his writing, so I don't think anyone needs to worry about discussion drifting off topic since no one is interested in his personal life.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:07
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I'll laugh at Mookie's cringey awfulness as much as the next guy but does this thread really need to be spending pages and pages dissecting every single shred of his personal life that's ever been posted anywhere on the internet? 99% of the recent posts have been about Star Power or Mookie as a human being instead of the actual comic he's doing right now.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:11
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Yeah I will admit the talk about his personal life has gone on a bit and I've been participating, I'll stop now. As for Star Power talk - yeah, sorry not sorry, that's not gonna stop, as his current comic is so slow and devoid of content right now, and I'm enjoying dissecting it here. Although I might take a bit longer with the next few chapters as I expended a lot of my creative energy on the last one and I want to recharge a bit.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:13
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Safari Disco Lion posted:I'll laugh at Mookie's cringey awfulness as much as the next guy but does this thread really need to be spending pages and pages dissecting every single shred of his personal life that's ever been posted anywhere on the internet? 99% of the recent posts have been about Star Power or Mookie as a human being instead of the actual comic he's doing right now. Well, I'd say Star Power is fair game since the Adventures of Snout is fairly lack-luster in updates.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:14
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Yeah, Star Power is filling the void since Legacy's updates have predictably dropped off.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:17
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Yeah, press forward with the Star Power reviews because I think those are going to end around the same time Mookie just gives up on Legacy and goes to work in a toll booth somewhere.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:18
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah I will admit the talk about his personal life has gone on a bit and I've been participating, I'll stop now. As for Star Power talk - yeah, sorry not sorry, that's not gonna stop, as his current comic is so slow and devoid of content right now, and I'm enjoying dissecting it here. Although I might take a bit longer with the next few chapters as I expended a lot of my creative energy on the last one and I want to recharge a bit. I wouldn't care if the posts about Star Power weren't massive and with a ton of non-thumbnailed images.
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Aug 14, 2020 18:21
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Put him on mute til Mookie updates again?
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Aug 14, 2020 18:26
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Yeah the Star Power posts have been like once a day and it doesn't even sound like there's much left. Plus it's like...actually fun to read? Underneath the thousands of words Mookie crams in there's a world to talk about with characters and themes, but The Legacy is just this rectangular void in space that occasionally pans over to a very weird emotionally abusive character dynamic.
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I don't really want to cause an argument so I'm just going to thumbnail the images from now on unless there's a big moment I want to put a fine point on. Alright, here we go. Chapter 5.1  The covers in this chapter are from a guest artist. I like them!  Calling The Little Death for some commentary on imperialism!  A mysterious man has designs on Danica.   This is Doctor Hymn, our villain for this chapter. He is a musician, and is obsessed with perfection in his choir.   It’s been some time, and Danica has been punching more obviously evil people doing obviously evil things. She HATES the attention she gets for this! (Stick a pin in this.)  Danica and Dr. Brightman marvel at the footage Danica has captured of stars, and it turns out the Doctor is a big fan of Dr. Hymn.  Oh no. Get ready for a lot of “Hymn/Him” jokes.  Danica hates musicians (??!) because she used to date them exclusively (???!!!). Pretty loving judgey, Danica! Also this is the moment I learned Danica is actually Brazilian. Huh.  And of course, Dr. Hymn is coming to the station for a concert.  She always does this when listening to his music and it looks real dumb. It’s choral music, you don’t rock out to it.  Humans have a violent past. Did you know humans have a violent past? No one else has a violent past. Just humans have a violent past.  My eyes cannot roll harder than they currently are.  Burke contacts Purple Lady once he’s out, and she agrees to meet up with him. Danica insists on coming along. And Mookie, master of “tell, don’t show” has Purple Lady declare her feelings. “You’re like a sister to me.” :I’ve never felt closer to you.” This might seem like a minor thing, but there’s a blog post that this kind of flies in the face of. I’ll detail it later in the chapter when another relevant page comes up.  Danica gets an invite to the concert, and can bring a guest, and chooses Dr. Brightman. Wouldn’t she get to come anyway? It’s a concert on HER station, where she’s part of the senior leadership. Anyway, she looks like a doofus while dancing to the music again.  We get a very stupid and unnecessary fakeout moment with Dr. Hymn. YES, WE GET IT, HE’S BAD  Danica continues to punch bad guys and encounters no more moral choices.  Take out that pin from earlier! Remember when Danica didn’t like the attention on her badguy punching exploits? Well now it’s all she wants to talk about because the plot requires her to be jealous of Dr. Hymn. Hooray for character consistency!  *slits own throat*  Hmmmm all his choir are the same height as him (hymn, LAWL) HMMMMM  Apparently “dressing nicely for a concert” means “putting yourself on display”.  They go to the concert and all his choir have the same skin tone and face structure as him. HMMMM HMMMM HMMMM I WONDER WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON HERE, IT’S A MYSTERY  You’ve already heard his music before, Danica, you were listening to it with Dr. Brightman while looking at star footage…  Star Power gets invited to Dr. Hymn’s estate. His assistant also does this thing where she gets annoyed because Dr. Brightman deigns to speak to Hymn while he was only speaking to Star Power. This happens several times this chapter – both he and his assistant do it even though he’s correcting her here, which makes his character pretty inconsistent.  HMMM WHAT COULD IT BE HMMM is everyone in this galaxy stupid  Purple Lady wants to invite Burke to the estate with them, and Danica objects. Correctly. Because it’s a TERRIBLE IDEA.  This interaction is loving weird. Why does Mitch need to step in?  Hymn auditions another applicant (HMMM AGAIN THE SAME SKIN TONE AND FACE STRUCTURE AS HIM HMMM) and kills him on the spot. Woah, he’s EVIL? Weird.  hahahahahahahahaha Finally, we get this program from the concert, with the lyrics of Hymn’s song. They’re so, so bad. Mookie… You are not good at this. It was better left to the imagination.      
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Aug 14, 2020 19:11
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So we're going to establish that Danica keeps going out past the Millennium Federation's reach, where she faces terrible conditions, awful brutality, and tyranny by punching it in the face, while the Federation can only watch and offer emotional support... ...and the one issue we actually got of her going to another world and doing stuff was a world within gate reach that the Traveler can reach, so the version of that story we actually witness doesn't actually require Danica to do any violence or make any decisions, but instead just rely on a giant military vehicle? I feel like this is just peak Mookie, and peak American imperialism. She's off doing heroic violence to grateful alien populations but it's all mediated by a TV screen for the audience and the in-universe Federation, who wholeheartedly support her every decision, and indeed there are no decisions - only the one that was within the actual range of the Federation's knowledge was complicated at all, and even then there was the ridiculous out of 'a third group, who are pacifists and always morally correct.' Is this what the Iraq War looked like to Mookie? Heroic figures off outside his area of knowledge beating up obvious monsters, and the only person who really matters is the soldier who comes home, not with PTSD, but just kind of a little stressed out? Gross, Mookie. Gross.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:30
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Lesson one to all writers: if you write someone as the greatest musician of all time, and you are not yourself the greatest musician of all time, do not ever under any circumstances write lyrics for them.
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Aug 14, 2020 19:44
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He's obviously not the greatest lyricist of all time. Also I like all these alien worlds full of people in the throes of planet-wide violence. Something that has been established as uniquely human in this galaxy (nevermind about the mob violence of the lanky purple guys). Like people debated whether allowing the humans in was a good idea, given how violent we were, and now there's all these violent races out there and it's just "man that's cool we can intervene now thanks to this super-powered human". Wouldn't that raise some amusing conspiracy theories or something? Also using phrases like "ethnic cleansing" which are so very tied to late 20th century zeitgeist.
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Aug 14, 2020 20:03
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It is both really weird that every planet outside of the federation is said to be under the thumb of a tyrant that Danica's just gotta punch, and SUPER WEIRD that the news chyron says this right under an orc dressed in head feathers. I don't like that. But aside from that, lol that the infinite planets of war and chaos are taking a backseat to this Disney channel cartoon villain. Dude's using a regular gun. What's he gonna do against a hero that even space guns can't scratch?
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Cat Mattress posted:Also I like all these alien worlds full of people in the throes of planet-wide violence. Something that has been established as uniquely human in this galaxy (nevermind about the mob violence of the lanky purple guys). Like people debated whether allowing the humans in was a good idea, given how violent we were, and now there's all these violent races out there and it's just "man that's cool we can intervene now thanks to this super-powered human". Also remember that humans are so special not only because they came from such a violent past, but because they overcame it without the Federation's help. Meanwhile, the Federation (and Danica) is going around intervening hard when Danica discovers a new civilization. TheHan posted:But aside from that, lol that the infinite planets of war and chaos are taking a backseat to this Disney channel cartoon villain. Dude's using a regular gun. What's he gonna do against a hero that even space guns can't scratch? To his credit his plan is a little more nuanced than "I'm going to shoot her". Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Aug 14, 2020 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Also using phrases like "ethnic cleansing" which are so very tied to late 20th century zeitgeist. Does Mookie think classical music has lyrics? I'm getting flashbacks to the Facebath arc where he also tried to portray the greatest musicians evar in a soundless medium. At least there he didn't write out all their lyrics. These lyrics are dire. It reminds me of when the FPlus reads songs. There's just no thought given at all to scansion or meter or anything. It owns. Initially, I unclenched a little bit since Mookie restrained himself from having a funny R2-D2 robot floating around and being the designated lovely pun/alliteration dispenser, but am growing to realize it's because all of the characters are like that. I know it's a cliche when it comes to capes, but I wonder what Hymn's a doctor of. Music therapy or something, maybe.
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I mean it's a choir, so yeah, it probably has lyrics.Invisible Clergy posted:I know it's a cliche when it comes to capes, but I wonder what Hymn's a doctor of. Music therapy or something, maybe. Oh man, there's a moment I totally forgot to clip where they cover that.  Danica should know full well "doctor" doesn't mean "medical doctor". She's literally conversing with a doctor of astronomy. That said there's a very specific, super-villainy reason Mookie actually chose to name him Dr. Hymn. I've been unsubtley hinting at it throughout this issue. You'll see soon. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Aug 14, 2020 |
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