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It's such a good mod, I've already had several people mention they were going to start using it too after hearing all the honking on my stream and asking me what it was.
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Aug 19, 2020 00:57
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In honor of 1.0, I decided to start a new vanilla game for the first time since .16. I've never launched a rocket in vanilla, so my goal was to embrace the spaghetti until I got a personal roboport (just finished that) so I could build even BIGGER spaghetti!  It's so nice not caring about symmetry or scalability or whatever.
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Aug 19, 2020 01:11
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Aug 19, 2020 01:34
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Freaksaus posted:It's such a good mod, I've already had several people mention they were going to start using it too after hearing all the honking on my stream and asking me what it was. does it replace the biter sfx with varying pitches and volumes of goose honk
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Aug 19, 2020 02:32
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I would enable that option.
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Aug 19, 2020 03:20
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Finally got around to doing There Is No Spoon on default map settings. gently caress.  I loaded a save from 4 minutes back and handcrafted my way to victory.
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Aug 19, 2020 05:44
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I got sick of satisfactory not being able to really scale up and bought this a few days ago cause it’s 1.0 now, I assume I don’t actually need to learn a main bus yet and can just get really stoned and build poo poo?
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Aug 19, 2020 06:27
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Professorjuggalo posted:I got sick of satisfactory not being able to really scale up and bought this a few days ago cause it’s 1.0 now, I assume I don’t actually need to learn a main bus yet and can just get really stoned and build poo poo? Absolutely. Just play and build and see what happens. You only get to do your first playthrough once - if you look up what everyone else thinks is the best way to do things too early, you're spoiling yourself on the opportunity to figure that stuff out for yourself.
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Aug 19, 2020 06:30
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Professorjuggalo posted:I got sick of satisfactory not being able to really scale up and bought this a few days ago cause it’s 1.0 now, I assume I don’t actually need to learn a main bus yet and can just get really stoned and build poo poo? Not only can you do this, you absolutely should do this the first time through. Feel free to set biters to peaceful mode too if you are looking to just mess around for a long time without any pressure.
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Aug 19, 2020 06:33
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You're 100% doing yourself a disservice if you start off by going the main bus route. So much enjoyment from this game comes from playing with no idea how anything works and figuring out the puzzles as you go along, spaghetti or no. Once you get through a game and feel like doing a main bus, you always have that option, no need to restart. Just build a new base in the infinite land you have available.
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Aug 19, 2020 07:17
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K8.0 posted:Finally got around to doing There Is No Spoon on default map settings. Have any tips? That and the 15 hour victory achievement are the only ones I have, and I've never really tried to go for speed.
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Aug 19, 2020 08:21
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If you just want them done, don't do it on default map settings. I found it to be pretty hard, it took me a lot of hours, about 4 serious attempts combined with a bunch of practice. I think you can modify almost everything except turning down enemies, including expanding starting area and turning pollution off completely, which pretty much turns off enemies. It should be fairly easy with massive and dense starting patches. Ultimately it's a matter of throughput, both in terms of resources and you building. Early game you'll be limited by iron, midgame by steel, and lategame by copper/green circuits. I went with 1.5 science/second for red-blue, and 0.75/s for purple/yellow since they cost far more resources. You only need 2 purple techs, one yellow tech, and one of both to finish the game. Make sure you shut off supply to your purple/yellow science once you finish building it. For me at least, I can't outbuild technology in the midgame, so there is some time to research some extra red green and blue techs. I did not use bots at all, I figured they're too much of a resource drain to get to the point where they're useful. This may be a miscalculation though. If you do it at default settings, you need a map with separate starting patches of decent sizes and placement. You need at least 2 solid nearby patches each of iron and copper, since you'll need 2 red belts of each in addition to what your starting patches supply. Don't bother with trains, just belt everything. It's hard to get enough throughput without upgraded stack inserters and it takes too drat long to build out big train stations when you can just slam down an ugly red belt and be done with it. If like me you can't build belts fast in cars, don't forget that you can drive a car to a patch, then pick it up and run back on the belt as you build it. You can buffer a lot of the stuff needed for a the rocket. I had my rocket fuel all sitting in chests long before I got anywhere near the end of the game (and I manually transported them, you + a car can easily transport 1k fuel in one trip which is faster than building a belt), and I buffered LDS and about half my speed modules as well. That left blue circuits which were brutal. Doing some calculation backwards can help. You're going to need 1200 blue circuits to build a silo + rocket, and another 867 to research the two yellow techs you need. That's 49,608 green circuits. If you have two full belts of copper being consumed to build green circuits, it will take 21 minutes to make them. At least on default map settings, you'll be spending all your time building, traveling, or fighting biters. There is zero downtime, you will not do it if you have any. Any time you want to build, save, take your time, build something that you can build quickly, then blueprint it and reload. Take advantage of the UI as much as possible - drag power poles, then drag assemblers, drag belts, then drag inserters across the assemblers, stuff like that will help you build fast. Take some time every so often to save and look over how everything is flowing - find machines that aren't working because you misplaced something, or belts that aren't flowing perfectly because you didn't balance them right, then reload your save and fix them when passing by. I'm sure there's a lot more you can do to optimize for quickly scaling up throughput that I didn't do. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Aug 19, 2020 |
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Aug 19, 2020 11:12
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The big thing I did was to have a unique save at milestones or every 1/2 hour. Once I got red science set up - save. steel smelters - save. Green science - save. I only went back in time once, but it was very nice to feel comfortable that if I messed up milsci I could hop back and remember to draw the coal line up there or whatever. Plus someone had an old write-up on reddit of their tech progression and some useful numbers that I referenced. You can also set it up so you don’t have to deal with biters. Speedruns are less than 6 hours (considerably) but they’re optimized to a T, so expect that yours will end with 45 minutes to spare if you doing things right. Don’t forget to turn off science once you’ve made the last vial you need, it can make a big difference!
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Aug 19, 2020 11:24
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The easiest way to get the speed achievements is to play with as many other people as possible and brute force the hell out of it. If you want to go at it alone, I think the most important thing is to make a plan. It doesn't have to be a perfect plan, but make a rough list of what you're going to do in what order (e.g. initial power -> initial smelting -> automate gears/chips -> red/green science -> double smelting -> double power -> oil...), what you're going to research and stay relentlessly on task until done. Buildwise it might help to watch one of the speedruns, takes less than an hour on 2x, but they can be confusing since they build very compact bases to minimize running. The big thing to take away from them is to favor simple factory designs that are easy to physically build and expand. Do not do fiddly things for 2% more throughput or the like. Beyond that, try to build and buffer pre-requisites before you need them, don't research things that you do not need and go big. Getting a rocket out in less than 8 hours is honestly not too hard on custom settings if you know the game. It requires a somewhat odd playstyle and some preparation, but shouldn't be too bad. 8 hours on default settings is way more difficult.
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Aug 19, 2020 11:47
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Taffer posted:You can enable it with a console command, but it will disable achievements, if you care about that sort of thing. I could have sworn it was an option when starting a new game, is that no longer the case?
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Aug 19, 2020 13:16
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It is, but if you don't enable it during map creation then you have to use the console command or a mod to enable it.
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Aug 19, 2020 13:36
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Yeah it's on the last tab under technology I think.
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Aug 19, 2020 13:39
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I'm jumping back from not having played since 0.14 or something: What is the rule of thumb regarding rail signals again? Is it rail signal at the entrance of an intersection and chain signal on the exit or the other way? I don't really want to watch a 20-minute tutorial video for just this one nugget of info.
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Aug 19, 2020 16:12
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tgacon posted:I'm jumping back from not having played since 0.14 or something: What is the rule of thumb regarding rail signals again? Is it rail signal at the entrance of an intersection and chain signal on the exit or the other way? I don't really want to watch a 20-minute tutorial video for just this one nugget of info. Other way around. Chains on entrances, regulars on exits.
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Aug 19, 2020 16:23
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Chain signal entrances to intersections, rail signal after the intersection. You can break some types of intersections down in more complicated ways, but that's the basics. If you want to play around with it, I think 0.17 was when the added the feature that shows you a breakdown of the "zones" for rails when you're holding a signal, so you can experiment to get more complex intersections set up as you like.
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One other big thing with rail signals...the signal goes on the 'right hand side of a single track' in the direction of travel of the train. This is not referring to RHD/LHD. Even in LHD, the signal is going on the right hand side of a single track in the direction of travel of the train.
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Aug 19, 2020 16:50
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I keep this bookmarked for my railway building needs:
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Another thing to keep in mind is to keep a full train length between your intersection. This length should be whatever your longest running train is. Split up long pieces of straight rail with rail signals at this length too.
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tgacon posted:I'm jumping back from not having played since 0.14 or something: What is the rule of thumb regarding rail signals again? Is it rail signal at the entrance of an intersection and chain signal on the exit or the other way? I don't really want to watch a 20-minute tutorial video for just this one nugget of info. e: actually, thats wrong, read the image above instead
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Basically you want to ask yourself "is it okay for a train to go through this signal and then stop at the next one?" If the answer is "yeah that's fine, it can wait for a moment and then carry on when the path ahead is clear", you use a regular signal. If the answer is "hell no it's gonna block up the intersection and bring everything to a halt", use a chain signal.
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Early Seablock question: I’m burning charcoal from wood blocks from green algae for power. It’s a little muddy but it looks like adding the step to make carbon is slightly ( +1MJ but requires the 30 steam, so probably 5%) more efficient. Am I supposed to swap over to that and wait till I have trees set up then turn trees into charcoal?
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Aug 19, 2020 18:18
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You can probably get by without the switch to carbon but I did it and it isn't too hard, you gain a small bit of efficiency and you'll also need carbon for some of the advanced smelting chains anyway. From there I don't think trees is the best option, but rather vegetable oil. My most recent Seablock base is almost entirely powered by beans.
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I think it's charcoal pellets that are the small upgrade. Just append another furnace. Algae to charcoal can keep you going until farm power, which is good till nuclear. If you're using electrolyzers rather than geodes for sludge you have excess hydrogen so you can make solid fuel pretty easily too.
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Algae -> Charcoal is a half decent power upgrade. Trees -> Charcoal is a solid upgrade. Getting your hand on some plants for fuel oil, or if you get Tianaton (Space Cotton) all of the cellulose ever, is what will carry you to nuclear power. Seriously, one temperate farm plot producing Tianaton will produce about 50 cellulose/minute on average (output ranges between 40 and 60 per craft, 20 crop = 22 cellulose), and I'm pretty sure you can shove speed cards into them. And, well, you never have just one farm plot. Anyways speaking of Seablock: anyone got a convenient download/tutorial on how to get it working on 1.0?
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To get it running I had to edit a few files. The first error it gave me was that line 140 of circuit processing was wrong. I applied the changes in that link to the file in my mods folder, then it gave me another error about the seablock mod itself and I found a thread on the factorio forums with the changes to be made. This isn't the exact thread but the second post seems to have the same answer. So, basically you find your mods folder (windows it should be C\user\username\appdata\roaming\factorio\mods I think) and find the mod you need to update, then unzip it. Find the file you're editing and open it with notepad, find the offending line and swap out the text for that block with the text given in the link, then save the file and re-zip the whole thing, ensuring you delete the old copy of the mod if need-be, and launch the game. If you have trouble with it I can dig up my mod files and upload them, provided those are the mods that're giving you issues too.
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it would be cool for a seablock 1.0 update + balance pass.
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Bhodi posted:seablock...balance I don't think you get seablock.
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Aug 20, 2020 04:46
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A few hundred pages ago someone mentioned a mod in which you have your base on a pad that teleports to new maps at set intervals. At each new location you need to mine, fight of biters, and salvage as much as you can before you teleport again. Googling is failing me, does anyone know what this one is?
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Aug 20, 2020 10:46
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This is likely the one you're looking for. https://mods.factorio.com/mod/warptorio2
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Chakan posted:To get it running I had to edit a few files. The first error it gave me was that line 140 of circuit processing was wrong. I applied the changes in that link to the file in my mods folder, then it gave me another error about the seablock mod itself and I found a thread on the factorio forums with the changes to be made. This isn't the exact thread but the second post seems to have the same answer. Noticed the discussion was 5 days old, but the mod had been updated 2 days ago. Updated it, and tried it right out of the box and it seems to be working so far.
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Good, though because I hadn't updated in a while having red algae available leading into thermal water generation was a surprise.
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I've launched many rockets before, but now, for 1.0, I want to try something new and different. I want to do a run where resources are moved about in nontraditional ways, as much as possible. This means a minimum of belts and a minimum of logistics bots. The rules are simple: -Trains can only be used to transport raw resources from outposts to the main base. Sicknasty jumps, using Renai Transportation, are mandatory. -Place the big unloading station in the middle of my base so trains have to bounce through the whole factory to get there. -Thrower Inserters and associated stuff like buckets/open chests (also from Renai) are used to move resources around locally. -Direct insertion is allowed. -Transport Drones are used for moving bulk resources within the base itself. -Can only use belts where there is no alternative. -Logistics bots can only be used for resupply. -No restrictions until I get everything in red/green science. This should let me get a basic mall up and running in a reasonable timeframe. Any suggestions/ideas? I'm tempted to add "must barrel liquids" to this, but barreling is kind of annoying.
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Seablock was most assuredly written by a sadist.
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Majere posted:Seablock was most assuredly written by a sadist. Go one step further, try pyBlock
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