F1 2020: like accounting, losses are in red

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Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Tsaedje posted:

He's 5th in the championship with a best result of 2nd place in a reverse grid sprint race.

There are two other Ferrari academy drivers ahead of him.

And Vettel is only 10 points ahead of Nico Hulkenberg.

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 15:45

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Powershift posted:

He can't be worse than Vettel.

He is even worse than Vettel, he is - may allah forgive me for uttering this word - he is worse than Ralf

# ? Aug 20, 2020 20:47

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

Hold on, ralf actually won races didn't he

# ? Aug 20, 2020 20:48

Tsaedje: May 11, 2007; BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Vettel is poo poo, but I'm not sure why you're picking him to compare with when he's already being replaced by Sainz. Ferrari aren't going to replace Vettel in the middle of this season because anyone they bring in is immediately out of a job at the end of the season.

Now is Mick better right now than 2020 Kimi or Giovinazzi? I'd argue not provably right now, even though they are both super poo poo.

# ? Aug 20, 2020 20:50

GramCracker: Oct 8, 2005; beauty by stroll

the corona quid posted:

I thought it was the same one that went into marketing because there is no chairs in engineering

OhsH posted:

How many does lc have??

Two really good posts :golfclap:

# ? Aug 20, 2020 21:18

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/29702034/the-toughest-job-f1-valtteri-bottas-being-lewis-hamilton-teammate

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During the last block of races, ESPN caught up with Bottas over a conference call to discuss what it's like to have one of the toughest jobs in F1.

Laurence Edmondson: A lot of people think you're in the toughest job in Formula One because you are going up against six-time world champion. Do you see it that way?
Valtteri Bottas: Of course when you are in a top team everyone requires a lot from you, like I also require a lot from the people I work with. That mentality of the team is also to bring the results, so for sure it is not easy and everyone is put under pressure -- but hopefully in a good way to perform better and find out more about yourself.

Against Lewis, yeah for sure, it's a great challenge. If you look at his record he is pretty impressive and I know it's tough to beat him, but I also know I can do it. Is it the toughest job in F1? I still get to be in the best car and have the opportunity every weekend to win the race -- it's there for me to get -- so that's why it makes it a bit easier. I don't mind working hard for it because you know there is going to be a reward if it goes well. I think it's a good place to be.

LE: When you have a good weekend we can see that you can beat him. Have you figured out what your strengths are over him?
VB: I think I'm very hungry for results and that makes me work hard with the team. I know he works hard as well, but I try to work harder. In my driving I am all the time making some really good steps forward with my driving style and pace, and especially race pace this year. It's now about getting clean weekends.

It's all about fine margins and getting those right. My strength is that I am willing to discover more and more and I feel like I am improving all the time and I am still peaking. Weaknesses? Lewis is a very complete driver and very consistent. His performance, I can't point out one clear thing where I am losing out to him, but it is about getting things right where it matters.

LE: The relationship between you and Lewis seems so solid on and off the track, how has that come about? Is it down to ground rules set by the team or is there just a natural balance between the two of you where you give each other respect?
VB: I think we are both pretty respectful drivers and rarely unpredictable. I think there is good respect against each other and I think the way we both race is quite similar and it's about the better man winning. You just need to be able to take the right risk to get the overtake or earn the possibility to overtake.

It comes pretty naturally, but obviously, yes, we had discussions as a team, especially in the first year in the team. There were certain things that we want to avoid happening like a first corner crash or first lap crashes. So we always have good respect but we are allowed to race hard. We need to respect each other but I'm sure if there is a shunt the team will be reacting very quickly to that.

LE: Do you think it would be the same relationship if you had were the one with such a big lead in the championship? After the first race when I won, did you see any change in him?
VB: I didn't see any difference after the first race. Lewis showed good respect. He said I earned the win and it was no difference to the race that I won and the next race that he won, nothing changed.

I doubt nothing would change, because he knows the name of the game anyway. I am here to race fairly and hard, like him as well, so I really can't see any issue, but obviously time will tell.

LE: You've signed another single year contract for 2021, can you explain why it's always been single year contracts with Mercedes for you?
VB: Because I always have! It's printed on the paper already! But of course, yes, if there was a long-term contract offered I would have gone for it. But the team again decided to go for that again and if that is everything they can offer then I take it.

By being with this team next year I know I will get half an opportunity to win the title and that is all that I need. Sometimes it's good to look short-term and it can be good for long-term. If I want to win the title, this is the team to be it, so if it's one year I'll take it. It's normal already, so it's fine.

LE: Is it something you've got used to? Because the last driver to win the championship with a one-year contract was Jenson Button at Brawn in 2009, and obviously that was quite a unique situation. So is it a negative for a driver to be on a one-year contract while his teammate has multiple years?
VB: It's really how you take it and how you deal with it. As I said, it's becoming the norm for me, so I get used to it. On the other hand, yes, it would have been nice to get a long-term contract, but it's the best I can get, so I take it. Of course, now I know for the next 10 or 11 months I don't have to think about it, so that's nice.

I can really focus on racing, and then eventually next year, yes, there will come a time when I have to think about it and you will have to again figure out your future. But that is at least 10 months away, so for now I don't need to think about it.

LE: You had a lot of time to think about the new contract during the lockdown. Did it change at all what you decided you want from your career and did it change your mindset about your long-term career in Formula One?
VB: I really believe that extra time off gave me a few years more extra motivation and energy for Formula One. Obviously, since I started in 2013, the years go like this and you are racing non-stop and the winter breaks become shorter and shorter. Just having that extra time off and realising all the other things you can enjoy and do, that just gives you quite a bit of energy.

At the moment I feel like I am about to peak in terms of my performance, so I feel like I can still go quite long. But also during this unusual year, in those two or three months before we started to race, it was nice to realise there is other life than Formula One.

I'm a man who knows that simple things can make me really happy, so it was nice to see F1 is not everything in life, although it is still the main thing for me. But it was nice to see that there are things in the future that I will be very happy to do.

LE: Did that make you think that it doesn't matter so much if you don't win the championship in F1?
VB: No, for me winning is still everything and winning is important. But also I just realised that one day, eventually, when it is time to do something else than Formula One, I will be fine. It is nice to feel.

# ? Aug 20, 2020 21:25

Tony quidprano: Jan 19, 2014; IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

Nick Soapdish posted:

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/29702034/the-toughest-job-f1-valtteri-bottas-being-lewis-hamilton-teammate

This was almost as long and boring as a F1 race lol

# ? Aug 20, 2020 21:54

CancerCakes: Jan 10, 2006

learnincurve posted:

If any of you who remember my daughter getting into engineering school are curious she got 2 level 2 merits and a level 2 distinction 😁

Congratulations to MC, learning is cool.

Valteri is a decent, upbeat, well adjusted human being, which is why he won't beat Lewis. Nico had to destroy his mind, body and soul and managed it once (barely).

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:06

Zeta Acosta: Dec 16, 2019; #essereFerrari

the corona quid posted:

This was almost as long and boring as a F1 race lol

Bottas is going to finish third in a two cars championship.

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:08

GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

Wish journalists would take off the kids gloves and ask driver some real questions, such as when they think Pastor will be back in F1 and why the dangers of smoking are dramatically overblown

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:11

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

GramCracker posted:

Two really good posts

Why do you assholes think this is some kind of own? I literally posted her results. So well done on being dickheads to own a 16 year old girl that this thread was uncharacteristically very supportive to two years ago when she was trying to get into a specialist STEM school I guess?

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:19

CancerCakes: Jan 10, 2006

learnincurve posted:

Why do you assholes think this is some kind of own? I literally posted her results. So well done on being dickheads to own a 16 year old girl that this thread was uncharacteristically very supportive to two years ago when she was trying to get into a specialist STEM school I guess?

Some people are threatened when other people are successful I guess. Would rather hear about interesting STEM and marketing stuff than loving moto GP.

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:31

WhiteHowler: Apr 3, 2001; I'M HUGE!

learnincurve posted:

Why do you assholes think this is some kind of own? I literally posted her results. So well done on being dickheads to own a 16 year old girl that this thread was uncharacteristically very supportive to two years ago when she was trying to get into a specialist STEM school I guess?

Look at the post history of the people who were lovely about it, and you have your answer.

I think it's cool as hell that your daughter is successful at her STEM stuff.

But I also legit still enjoy watching and talking about F1 (when it's not in France or Spain), so I probably don't fit too well into this thread and don't post often.

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:35

GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

Learning Curve I am happy your daughter is succeeding and genuinely hope she finds happiness in life. Perhaps she will be the person that finds a new, more efficient way to boil horse meat

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:38

Zeta Acosta: Dec 16, 2019; #essereFerrari

learnincurve posted:

Why do you assholes think this is some kind of own? I literally posted her results. So well done on being dickheads to own a 16 year old girl that this thread was uncharacteristically very supportive to two years ago when she was trying to get into a specialist STEM school I guess?

she should sign with scuderia ferrari

# ? Aug 20, 2020 22:38

track day bro!: Feb 17, 2005; #essereFerrari; Grimey Drawer

maybe not everyones as enthustiastic about hearing about some randos kid? idk I dont care lol!

# ? Aug 20, 2020 23:02

CancerCakes: Jan 10, 2006

track day bro! posted:

maybe not everyones as enthustiastic about hearing about some randos kid? idk I dont care lol!

Close the thread then you whiny pissbaby

# ? Aug 20, 2020 23:17

MustardFacial: Jun 20, 2011; George Russel's
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learnincurve posted:

Why do you assholes think this is some kind of own? I literally posted her results. So well done on being dickheads to own a 16 year old girl that this thread was uncharacteristically very supportive to two years ago when she was trying to get into a specialist STEM school I guess?

Few things are more irritating than when parents yammer on about their kids as if their child's achievement, is actually their achievement. It's cool that your daughter got into a specialist engineering school and McLaren is somehow involved. But that is a cool thing to hear exactly once. The more you post about it, and her grades, and how well she does, the less favourably that looks on you. You made 3 posts in a row about how good she is. I get that you're a proud parent, and good for you take your pat on the back. But please shut the gently caress up.

MustardFacial fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Aug 20, 2020

# ? Aug 20, 2020 23:33

Serjeant Buzfuz: Dec 5, 2009

LC don't let the haters bring you down, I for one am very happy for you and your daughter.

# ? Aug 20, 2020 23:49

The Big Jesus: Oct 29, 2007; #essereFerrari

MustardFacial posted:

Few things are more irritating than when parents yammer on about their kids as if their child's achievement, is actually their achievement. It's cool that your daughter got into a specialist engineering school and McLaren is somehow involved. But that is a cool thing to hear exactly once. The more you post about it, and her grades, and how well she does, the less favourably that looks on you. You made 3 posts in a row about how good she is. I get that you're a proud parent, and good for you take your pat on the back. But please shut the gently caress up.

You know you can put other users on ignore yea?

# ? Aug 20, 2020 23:55

mehall: Aug 27, 2010

Hey Mustard, it's your forums pal mehall here.

Got some advice for you.

MustardFacial posted:

please shut the gently caress up.

# ? Aug 20, 2020 23:57

Custard Undies: Jan 7, 2006; #essereFerrari

learnincurve posted:

Why do you assholes think this is some kind of own? I literally posted her results. So well done on being dickheads to own a 16 year old girl that this thread was uncharacteristically very supportive to two years ago when she was trying to get into a specialist STEM school I guess?

I think its awesome LC!

Its more relevant to the thread then our bi-weekly argument over Teflon/Cast Iron are.

# ? Aug 21, 2020 00:19

Zeta Acosta: Dec 16, 2019; #essereFerrari

if someone has an i7 4790 lying around somewhere ill buy it

# ? Aug 21, 2020 00:33

BurgerQuest: Mar 17, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

i've got one you can have for free if you never post again

# ? Aug 21, 2020 01:08

Tsaedje: May 11, 2007; BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Zeta Acosta posted:

Bottas is going to finish third in a two cars championship.

Verstappen has only temporarily jumped Bottas in the standings due to the tyre explosion at Silverstone. Getting rid of quali modes is going to backfire and make Mercedes (and Racing Point) more dominant in race trim. He'll finish 5th at best behind the black and pink Mercs in Spa and Monza.

# ? Aug 21, 2020 01:11

Astoundingly Ugly Baby: Mar 22, 2006; "...crying bitch cave bitch boy."
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

Wish journalists would take off the kids gloves and ask driver some real questions, such as when they think Pastor will be back in F1 and why the dangers of smoking are dramatically overblown

Man, could you imagine how awesome it would be to have Maldonado and Stroll together at Racing Point? Fuckin dream team.

# ? Aug 21, 2020 01:45

GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

Zeta Acosta posted:

if someone has an i7 4790 lying around somewhere ill buy it

I have one

# ? Aug 21, 2020 02:16

Zeta Acosta: Dec 16, 2019; #essereFerrari

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

I have one

laxep36642@academail.net lets do business

Tsaedje posted:

Verstappen has only temporarily jumped Bottas in the standings due to the tyre explosion at Silverstone. Getting rid of quali modes is going to backfire and make Mercedes (and Racing Point) more dominant in race trim. He'll finish 5th at best behind the black and pink Mercs in Spa and Monza.

ah yes, the tyre issues of hungary, silverstone II and spain

# ? Aug 21, 2020 02:27

Full Collapse: Dec 4, 2002

This is a good album I'd like to share with my F1 posting pals: https://music.apple.com/us/album/resonate/1497008513

# ? Aug 21, 2020 02:32

Frond: Mar 12, 2018

Important;

https://mobile.twitter.com/OrigCupNoodles/status/1296496043161346048

# ? Aug 21, 2020 02:54

ROFLBOT: Apr 1, 2005

CancerCakes posted:

Some people are threatened when other people are successful I guess. Would rather hear about interesting STEM and marketing stuff than loving moto GP.

Speaking of which, guess what? ITS MOTOGP WEEKEND AGAIN! Will Maverick "Vettel" Vinales actually finish a race higher up than he qualifies?

# ? Aug 21, 2020 03:37

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester: Oct 3, 2000

I'm rooting for, in this order, the guy with WLF on his suit; the guy with the best font on his number which is 04; Fabio; the apartheidist riding for the Austrian team sponsored by right wing Austrians

# ? Aug 21, 2020 03:40

Custard Undies: Jan 7, 2006; #essereFerrari

Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:

Man, could you imagine how awesome it would be to have Maldonado and Stroll together at Racing Point? Fuckin dream team.

# ? Aug 21, 2020 05:32

Tony quidprano: Jan 19, 2014; IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

ROFLBOT posted:

Speaking of which, guess what? ITS MOTOGP WEEKEND AGAIN! Will Maverick "Vettel" Vinales actually finish a race higher up than he qualifies?

Bi�ales might legitimately be the stupidest person in all of racing. Multiple people have pointed out, including dovizioso, that because the Moto2 race is before the MotoGP race that there�s less grip than in practice in the race because of that situation. It doesn�t stop Bi�ales from barreling his way through the weekend, pounding in fast laps ever practice session as if the full grip reflects the race set up and smiling like he�s got everything figured out right up until the moment he completes the first lap of the race in loving 10th or whatever. Why the gently caress Yamaha re-signed him when this was a known issue is a mystery for the ages.

# ? Aug 21, 2020 06:34

Tony quidprano: Jan 19, 2014; IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

Brad Binder is racing faster than his relatives fled South Africa when the Apartheid was lifted.

# ? Aug 21, 2020 06:41

Tsaedje: May 11, 2007; BRAWNY BUTTONS 4 LYFE

Zeta Acosta posted:

laxep36642@academail.net lets do business

ah yes, the tyre issues of hungary, silverstone II and spain

Silverstone 1 is a 21 point swing to Verstappen due to tyre explosion, something out of Bottas' control. Max is a whole 6 points ahead of Bottas right now.

# ? Aug 21, 2020 08:23