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ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Poldarn posted:

Brutal twist and an arts and crafts project you can make with your kid!

That's great (and also perfect AV / post combo). Although in more recent books Parker seems to be mellowing out a bit - while there are a couple of twists in How to Rule an Empire and Get Away With It, nothing will shock you to the bone.

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darkgray
Dec 20, 2005

My best pose facing the morning sun!
This conversation reminds me of a Photoshop edit I made years and years and years ago for some old SA thread, but nobody seemed to get it back then. Maybe its time has finally come...

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran
I've only read Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City and that cover got a solid laugh from me, good lord.

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004

Y'all I totally loved A Memory Called Empire and can't wait for the next book to come out next year.

Poldarn
Feb 18, 2011

darkgray posted:

This conversation reminds me of a Photoshop edit I made years and years and years ago for some old SA thread, but nobody seemed to get it back then. Maybe its time has finally come...



:popeye:

Goddamn, lol.

There's something really relaxing about the extended sequences about heating and hammering metal and how it makes the whole day fly by. I noticed on my last re-read that no one ever makes anything out of refined ore or iron ingots, they are always picking something else (usually a leaf spring) to draw down or weld together, giving me the impression that the world is incredibly old, history is caught in cycles, and things just repeat.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength
Parker can usually be relied upon for some quality historical engineering porn.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Am I missing something here?

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Not seeing anything like that on my end. Which amazon are you using/from which country?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Black Griffon posted:

Not seeing anything like that on my end. Which amazon are you using/from which country?

In and from UK, as you might guess from the £ signs.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


oh yeah I see it on .co.uk. very curious.

Sjonkel
Jan 31, 2012
Hey guys, I read the first two books of Alastair Reynolds Revelation Space series a while ago, but couldn't really get into it. To me they felt like they where 300 pages too long, so it didn't really hook me. Recently I decided to pick up House of Suns for whatever reason, and I found that I really liked it. How are his other books/series? Are any of them more like House of Suns and less like Revelation Space?

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Revenger 1-3 is less technical hard science (but still technically hard sci-fi) but has a lot of weird, fun characters and crazy tech like HoS, Pushing Ice is way more grounded, and reading HoS after that made me like him way more because I think he writes far-future characters way better than current era characters (but also I loved Pushing Ice, so I'm pretty sure I'm just a fan).

Revelation Space is next, I suspect I'll enjoy it, but we'll see.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Black Griffon posted:

Revenger 1-3 is less technical hard science (but still technically hard sci-fi) but has a lot of weird, fun characters and crazy tech like HoS, Pushing Ice is way more grounded, and reading HoS after that made me like him way more because I think he writes far-future characters way better than current era characters (but also I loved Pushing Ice, so I'm pretty sure I'm just a fan).

Revelation Space is next, I suspect I'll enjoy it, but we'll see.

You may not enjoy the way the trilogy ends, I didn't.

DigitalRaven
Oct 9, 2012




Black Griffon posted:

oh yeah I see it on .co.uk. very curious.

Some sort of dodgy copy, since the UK release was just branded "The Traitor" and had a different cover to that one (which appears to be the US one)?

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Jedit posted:

Am I missing something here?



She was the editor.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Lemniscate Blue posted:

You may not enjoy the way the trilogy ends, I didn't.

Well nuts. Can I get one person who liked the ending so I can go into it with no bias?

Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007

MeerkatHero posted:

There's a new K.J. Parker novel out as of yesterday: How to Rule an Empire & Get Away with It. It's sort of a sequel to Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City.

Sadly, there is almost no way to read anything about it, even the slightest blurb, without spoilers. Then again, if you like K.J. Parker, you already pretty much know what you're getting. Here's what Publisher's Weekly thought.

I do happen to like K.J. Parker, a lot, and have wondered why I don't see his stuff promoted often or in many places.

Late to this discussion (been mostly avoiding the thread while I read through Baru 3): does the new novel end like K.J Parker's books usually do? I really enjoyed Sixteen Ways until the ending, but then this thread told me that that's mostly all of K.J. Parker's books so I remain conflicted on whether I subject myself to that again.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

DigitalRaven posted:

Some sort of dodgy copy, since the UK release was just branded "The Traitor" and had a different cover to that one (which appears to be the US one)?

People do import US books to the UK, for some reason. In this case it's justifiable as they have better covers and the correct title.

ClydeFrog
Apr 13, 2007

my body is a temple to an idiot god

Jedit posted:

Am I missing something here?



This happened on the first book as well. I remember way back then asking Battuta wtf. Seems Amazon UK still have a gremlin.

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004

Jedit posted:

People do import US books to the UK, for some reason. In this case it's justifiable as they have better covers and the correct title.

The international Sanderson covers are almost universally better than the US covers, same with some of the game of thrones stuff. I feel like I have seen that Poland in particular gets a ton of rad covers that are just local to there and nobody else gets them.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Poldarn posted:

giving me the impression that the world is incredibly old, history is caught in cycles, and things just repeat.

it is, that's the thing with parker's main world, the various series and standalone novels happen in different eras

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

Doctor Jeep posted:

it is, that's the thing with parker's main world, the various series and standalone novels happen in different eras

Yeah, most of his books seem to be in the same world, but it's about the same type of connection as e.g. one book taking place in late republican Rome, another during a succession crisis in the Eastern Roman empire, and then a third dealing with a Roman Catholic mission outpost in 16th century Mesoamerica.

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

SFL Archives Volume 10 (1985) update 4

-book publisher fuckery pt 47: Diane Duane's (who I had never heard of before or totally forgotten about (I really didn't read YA fiction growing up)) book 2 of a existing series comes out, which leads into a digression about book publishers (Dell) cancelling entire print runs, Ballantine Books dying, books being stuff in publishing limbo, Bluejay Press taking up the copyrights, and Bluejay Press as usual utterly loving up the release dates of books.

-Bluejay Press is or rather was the anti-matter version of Baen Books. Bluejay books seemed to have good talent scouts and signed lots of amazing in retrospect fantasy & SciiFi authors but could never release a book on time, usually missing their own publishing dates by 4 months or more. Meanwhile, Baen Books was the complete opposite in every way.

-pt 57 of me realizing how loving old/how long certain authors have been around for. Example: GRRM & Stephen Donaldson were mentioned as promising up-coming talented authors when the SF-LOVERS mailing list started up in late 1979....this time Mary Gentle and Somtow Sucharitkul

-Theodore Sturgeon death notice (RIP)

-20th century fox (rip, lol disney buyout) tries to get a rocky horror picture show subculture going for it's 1984 movie Buckaroo Banzai repeated times in the SFL mailing list.

-1985 marks the first time that April 1st jokes/pranks become the THING to post on April 1st.

-the doxxing of Richard Bachman being Stephen King is completed, and some SFLer's extremely notMad about it.

-first and second posts of Subject Line:" Japanese Animation" in the SFL archives

-Robert Heinlein's JOB gets discussed, mostly about it being slightly better than Heinlein's Number of the Beast thanks to Heinlein's carotid bypass surgery.

-the SFL poster whose gimmick was hiding behind the mask of his sister or possibly his wife posting his offline poo poo-talking to the SFL mailing list (mostly) abandons the gimmick and starts posting as themselves aka M*** L**p*r...but sometimes M*** L**p*r forgets and will still occasionally post under the old email address on the same topics.

-A murderer's row of The Prisoner/Secret Agent aka Danger Man tv series discussion. Waves and waves of posts about the Village being filmed in Wales, with a few meta-conflicting reviews of the In-Real-Life area/resort/hotel where the Prisoner was filmed at. The Prisoner novelization discussion. Lots of theorizing how various tidbits confirm that Secret Agent aka Danger Man John Drake was really Number 06. More people answered and re-answered and replied and re-replied about the Prisoner TV series being shot in Wales than the time anyone who ever spent more than 96 hrs in San Francisco replied to the person asking if "Emperor Norton 1 of America" was real or made up.

-Steven Brust qualifies his GOR series recommendation. Sort of. Brust argument: Tolkien was popular and fantasy genre defining because Tolkien's stories sold a fuckton. Therefore, John Norman's GOR stories must be considered similarly. If you want more details, look it up yourself in SF-LOVERS Digest Volume 10, I refuse to recap or mention Steven Brust anymore.

-Back to the Future 1, and The Goonies are slated for future 1985 release. People guessing at the plot to Star Trek 4: Voyage Home are worth noting, simply because ST4 went in a direction no-one and I mean NO ONE circa 1985 expected. V the series has it's final episode, and Silent Running (1972) becomes a subject of discussion: the robots, the nature pods, the American Airlines spaceships, the reusage of footage for the original BSG tv series, etc.

-Someone wants Advice for a new author trying to get published 1985 edition, and a few people respond . The advice is different from what got posted earlier circa 1982/83? so I will dedicate a entire post to the advice given, simply because I know there is a bunch of current and aspiring authors who read this thread

Marshal Radisic
Oct 9, 2012


It's not fantasy, but anyone looking for more KJ Parker should check out Tom Holt's The Walled Orchard duology, which was originally published as Goatsong and The Walled Orchard back in the early 1990s. It's written as the memoir of the Athenian comic poet Eupolis (actual guy btw) and focuses primarily on his service in the Peloponnesian War and in the collapse of Athens. A bit less focused on nuts-and-bolts craftsmanship than his KJ Parker books, but the voice and fatalistic worldview are already there.

You know, something I think about a lot but never plan on doing is writing up a comparison of Tom Holt's early works with Terry Pratchett's. They both started getting published in the 1980s and both made comedic fantasy their wheelhouse, but they veered in wildly different directions afterwards. The reason I want to compare the two is that I feel like the two touch on similar issues in their work, but they draw wildly different conclusions.

It's like...you know how at the end of Guards! Guards! Lord Vetinari delivers a monologue expounding his worldview to Vimes, about how there are, always and only, the bad people, but some are on opposite sides? As I see it, this was a worldview Pratchett was always trying to repudiate and argue against in his works with characters who rise above and try to be better people. Meanwhile, Holt basically is the Patrician, which is why the novels he's written under the Parker name tend to be slow-motion tragedies.

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

SFL Archives: Advice for a new author, 1985 edition.
As before, reposting this subject for archival purposes for current/aspiring authors to reference regarding what the SFF publishing field was like circa 1985 for new/established authors, and what has changed/not changed since 1985.

And mother-f***r, looks like I am unable to escape mentioning Steven Brust again (gently caress off forever SKZB).
Scanning forward, mid July 1985 Brust posts:

"I've been asked to supply information about what a plot outline
consists of, as in, what one might send the editor of a publisher.
It has been suggested that I do so on the net rather than by mail."

(Steven Brust plot outline has been added to the very end of this post).


The "advice for a new author" request

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Date: Tue, 21 May 85 17:42 CDT
From: Patrick_Duff <pduff%ti-eg.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa>
Subject: Wanted: Publisher and Editor reviews

I will soon be contacting a publisher with a story outline and a
few chapters of an SF book I am writing; I am also considering
submitting a short story to one of the SF magazines. Does anyone
have any advice concerning which publisher an unknown author should
contact? How much difference could it make if I waited to submit my
book material until after I've had a short story or two published
somewhere? I'm interested in both positive and negative reviews of
publishers and magazines (or magazine editors). Please give the
source of your information if possible (first- hand experience, from
a magazine or fanzine article, heard at a convention, etc.).

regards, Patrick
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The responses
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From: lzwi!psc@topaz.arpa (P.S.CHISHOLM)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Publisher and Editor reviews
Date: 22 May 85 17:44:32 GMT

pduff%ti-eg.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa writes:
> Does anyone have any advice concerning which publisher an unknown
> author should contact?

In the November 1984 SCIENCE FICTION CHRONICLE's Market Report,
Bluejay says, "Only looking for published authors". Donning/
Starblaze says, "Willing to review material by new authors": is that
supposed to be encouraging or discouraging? (No matter, this
month's SFC would seem to indicate they haven't been publishing as
fast as they're buying, anyway.)

ALL of the other major publishers will buy a good novel. If you and
Asimov sent them good novels on the same day, they'd buy both.
(Note that for a novel, you should send a query with an outline and
sample chapters, *not* the whole novel. You don't even need to have
the novel finished.)

> How much difference could it make if I waited to submit my book
> material until after I've had a short story or two published
> somewhere?

A dozen stories, published mostly in a single magazine over a period
of a few years, *might* make a difference. However, most book
editors don't read SF magazines. Don't wait.

As to advice on what magazines to submit to: send your stories to
the places you'd like to be published in. ASIMOV'S is pretty
clearly the most respected magazine in the field today. ANALOG is
hungry for stories, especially but not exclusively hard SF. F&SF is
a bit slow. AMAZING seems to be barely surviving, but responds
promptly, and is better than most magazines at giving you some
comments on what's wrong. PLAYBOY and OMNI don't buy much fiction.
There are some other small magazines, too, and original anthologies
looking for stories on a given topic; check market reports in SFC or
LOCUS.

Keep your manuscripts moving. One trick I've discovered is to
address the "next" pair of envelopes when you address the first.
For example, when you type up the envelopes to ANALOG, also type up
a pair to AMAZING. Then, if the manuscript happens to come back,
stuff it RIGHT AWAY in the next set, ship it out again, and prepare
another set. Don't wait for one story to sell before starting (or
even submitting) the next one. If you don't have a next one, write
it.

For more information: SFC and LOCUS are valuable sources of
information, not the least being the occasional Market Reports.
WRITER'S MARKET describes manuscript mechanics, e.g., self-addressed
stamped envelopes, a guide to estimating postage, suggested waiting
times and pay scales. Once you've sold you first story, you can
join the Science Fiction Writer's of America, which has a Handbook
and a newsletter.

Good luck!
-Paul S. R. Chisholm
------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 May 85 01:32:44 PDT
From: lah%ucbmiro@Berkeley (First Lieutenant Leigh Ann Hussey)
Subject: Re: Publisher & Editor Reviews...

>(Note that for a novel, you should send a query with an outline and
>sample chapters, *not* the whole novel. You don't even need to >have
the novel finished.)

Sorry, but that's a bad piece of advice. I only hope that you haven't
taken it already and suffered an unnecessary rejection. When you have
five books or so out, then you can start thinking about sending
outlines. Most of the writers I know, however, sent their first
novels complete. When an editor knows for certain what he/she is
buying from you, ie, will it sell, they won't care (much) what it's
about. James Hogan said (Baycon '85) that the only myth-making he
does these days is in the writing of his outlines; the subsequent
stories sometimes come out very differently. Hogan, however, is an
acknowledged seller. In addition, he sent HIS first novel in
complete. Meanwhile, an editor can't be sure of what he/she's getting
on the basis of an outline and a few chapters unless he/she's seen
your work before. Send the whole thing, with return postage (unless
you don't want it back), and hope for the best. I'm marketing my
first novel, too. (By the way, the above commentator was right about
stories -- having a short story of my own out does not seem to have
made much difference; what HAS is going to conventions. Know your
editors and colleagues-to-be, get your face seen and your work heard
-- in that case, having a prior short story or two published is good,
as it gets you into cons as a guest and you can meet more people that
way).

Leigh Ann Hussey (lah@ucbmiro.BERKELEY (horatio@ucbmiro.BERKELEY)
------------------------------

From: lzwi!psc@topaz.arpa (Paul S. R. Chisholm)
Subject: Re: selling your first novel
Date: 30 May 85 17:47:13 GMT

> From: lah%ucbmiro@Berkeley (First Lieutenant Leigh Ann Hussey)
>>(Note that for a novel, you should send a query with an outline
>>and sample chapters, *not* the whole novel. You don't even need
>>to have the novel finished.) > Sorry, but that's a bad piece of
advice. I only hope that you > haven't taken it already and suffered
an unnecessary rejection. > When you have five books or so out, then
you can start thinking > about sending outlines. Most of the writers
I know, however, sent > their first novels complete. When an editor
knows for certain > what he/she is buying from you, ie, will it sell,
they won't care > (much) what it's about. > > Meanwhile, an editor
can't be sure of what he/she's getting on the > basis of an outline
and a few chapters unless he/she's seen your > work before. Send the
whole thing, with return postage (unless > you don't want it back),
and hope for the best. I'm marketing my > first novel, too. (By the
way, the above commentator was right > about stories -- having a short
story of my own out does not seem > to have made much difference; what
HAS is going to conventions. > Know your editors and
colleagues-to-be, get your face seen and > your work heard -- in that
case, having a prior short story or two > published is good, as it
gets you into cons as a guest and you can > meet more people that
way). > > Leigh Ann Hussey

As the poster of that advice, I bow to your superior experience. The
idea that going to cons and meeting editors helps sounds especially
right.

-Paul S. R. Chisholm {pegasus,vax135}!lzwi!psc {mtgzz,ihnp4}!lznv!psc
------------------------------

From: duke!crm@topaz.arpa (Charlie Martin)
Subject: Re: Publisher & Editor Reviews
Date: 31 May 85 16:24:24 GMT

>From: lah%ucbmiro@Berkeley (First Lieutenant Leigh Ann Hussey)
>>(Note that for a novel, you should send a query with an outline
>>and sample chapters, *not* the whole novel. You don't even need
>>to have the novel finished.) > >Sorry, but that's a bad piece of
advice. I only hope that you >haven't taken it already and suffered
an unnecessary rejection. >When you have five books or so out, then
you can start thinking >about sending outlines. Most of the writers I
know, however, sent >their first novels complete.

At the Editor's panel at Disclave last weekend, the editors all agreed
that they would consider an outline *first*, over a complete
manuscript, and that they by far prefer to see outlines over
manuscripts.

Now, if you are a new writer, the response to your outline may be
"sounds good, can I see the whole manuscript when it is available?"

For some non-obvious reason, I forgot to put the editors's names into
my notebook, but they were from several big name companies like
Berkely.
Charlie Martin
(...mcnc!duke!crm)
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From: hyper!brust@topaz.arpa (Steven Brust)
Subject: plot outlines
Date: 16 Jul 85 22:30:39 GMT

I've been asked to supply information about what a plot outline
consists of, as in, what one might send the editor of a publisher.
It has been suggested that I do so on the net rather than by mail.

Okay. I've never done an outline in this form. I have seen one or
two that have gone to editors, and seen the resulting books. In
general, there is little or no relationship between the outline and
the book that I have seen.

The outline is usually in the form of one paragraph per chapter, and
describes the basic action of that chapter. As in, "Chapter One:
Zwiggle, an adolescent of the dominant race of planet Juju IV,
discovers a strange being, actually a young, adolescent Earthgirl
from an exploratory vessel. He immediatly falls in lover with her,
kills her, and eats her for dinner. Chapter Two: Zwiggle begins to
wonder if he should have eaten her. His best friend, Zwaggle,
convinces him to try to find the rest of the aliens and they set off
to..."

That kind of thing.

Insofar as I've been able to determine, the outline exists so that
the editor, who has already decided to buy the book because he likes
your intense, Hemmingway-esque style (especially during the
cannible-procreation scenes) can have something to wave at the
publishing committee so they will do what he wants them to (either
agree to publish it, give the author more money for it, make it a
lead title, whatever).

My experience is EXTREMELY limited, so don't take any of this as
gospel. There may well be publishers who pay attention to the plot
outline, or use it to decide whether or not to buy the book, etc.

For more information, I would suggest asking David Dyer-Bennet
(whereever on the net he is) to please as his lovely and talented
wife, Pamela Dean, to tell us about her experiences.

That's the best I can do. Hope its some help.

-- SKZB
------------------------------

quantumfoam fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Aug 24, 2020

jng2058
Jul 17, 2010

We have the tools, we have the talent!





quantumfoam posted:

SFL Archives Volume 10 (1985) update 4

-book publisher fuckery pt 47: Diane Duane's (who I had never heard of before or totally forgotten about (I really didn't read YA fiction growing up)) book 2 of a existing series comes out, which leads into a digression about book publishers (Dell) cancelling entire print runs, Ballantine Books dying, books being stuff in publishing limbo, Bluejay Press taking up the copyrights, and Bluejay Press as usual utterly loving up the release dates of books.


Oh hey, I remember Diane Duane! She wrote some of the better Star Trek novels in the `80s. Her Rihannsu novels were arguably as influential at the time towards defining the Romulans as John Ford's books were for the Klingons. Very little of their versions lasted past TNG, of course, but for a stretch in the `80s they were a big hit in Trek fandom.

Marshal Radisic
Oct 9, 2012


She also wrote Dark Mirror, which may be the best Mirror Universe story ever written in Trek. Certainly it outclasses pretty much everything that's been done with the concept from DS9 onward.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


jng2058 posted:

Oh hey, I remember Diane Duane! She wrote some of the better Star Trek novels in the `80s. Her Rihannsu novels were arguably as influential at the time towards defining the Romulans as John Ford's books were for the Klingons. Very little of their versions lasted past TNG, of course, but for a stretch in the `80s they were a big hit in Trek fandom.

She's also written a lot of non-Trek stuff, both licensed (Star*Drive, Spider-Man) and non (Young Wizards, Feline Wizards, the Tale of the Five), and I've enjoyed pretty much everything of hers I've read.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Sjonkel posted:

Hey guys, I read the first two books of Alastair Reynolds Revelation Space series a while ago, but couldn't really get into it. To me they felt like they where 300 pages too long, so it didn't really hook me. Recently I decided to pick up House of Suns for whatever reason, and I found that I really liked it. How are his other books/series? Are any of them more like House of Suns and less like Revelation Space?

This is exactly my experience, to the point where he's one of my favourite go-to sci-fi writers for solidly reliable potboilers that are really-good-but-not-quite-great, and I've read nearly all his novels and collections of his short stories, yet have still never had any desire to go back and read the rest of the Revelation Space trilogy.

So, yes, I think he's improved a lot as an author. House of Suns is probably his best book but Pushing Ice is very close behind. (And he does write really, really good short stories even if you're more of a novel person).

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




ToxicFrog posted:

Feline Wizards

Really, really good books. Interesting worldbuilding, nifty magic, compelling plots, and solid characters. I'm so very sorry there were only three of these.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Is there anything out there that kind of captures the feeling of Sabriel? I thought the way necromancy worked in that book was just fantastic, and in general the book captured a kind of feel that I haven't really seen in another fantasy novel. I've read Lirael and Abhorsen, and while they were fine as follow-ups, I feel like they didn't have that spark of weird death-world psychopomp wizardry.

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
Ok I was extremely skeptical about The Steerswoman based on its very amateur looking cover art, but bought it anyway based on the continuous recommendations ITT. And it’s great so far!

It turns out it was published a few decades ago, but the author bought back the rights and rereleased it?
So the reason it looks self published is because she redid the covers herself for the new release.


E: really tho she should have spent even a tiny amount of additional money on a better looking cover imo.

tildes fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Aug 24, 2020

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

jng2058 posted:

Oh hey, I remember Diane Duane! She wrote some of the better Star Trek novels in the `80s. Her Rihannsu novels were arguably as influential at the time towards defining the Romulans as John Ford's books were for the Klingons. Very little of their versions lasted past TNG, of course, but for a stretch in the `80s they were a big hit in Trek fandom.

I've mentioned it elsewhere, but her Young Wizards series is a great Potter alternative if you'd rather not enrich Rowling any further.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

tildes posted:

Ok I was extremely skeptical about The Steerswoman based on its very amateur looking cover art, but bought it anyway based on the continuous recommendations ITT. And it’s great so far!

It turns out it was published a few decades ago, but the author bought back the rights and rereleased it?
So the reason it looks self published is because she redid the covers herself for the new release.


E: really tho she should have spent even a tiny amount of additional money on a better looking cover imo.

Vague rumor is she might write another. But I wouldn't hold my breath or anything. Great books though.

No. No more dancing!
Jun 15, 2006
Let 'er rip, dude!

Captain Monkey posted:

Vague rumor is she might write another. But I wouldn't hold my breath or anything. Great books though.

I had a bit of a sad laugh reading some of an interview that she did in 2005 where she said she is planning to write 7 more books in the series and then a prequel. Maybe she has just been writing all 8 of them and will release them all at once? That's what I'll tell myself.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Marshal Radisic posted:

You know, something I think about a lot but never plan on doing is writing up a comparison of Tom Holt's early works with Terry Pratchett's. They both started getting published in the 1980s and both made comedic fantasy their wheelhouse, but they veered in wildly different directions afterwards.

Suggesting that Tom Holt veered in any direction is so outlandish as to qualify as F/SF in its own right. The man's written the same book twenty times. I was absolutely floored when I learned that he was KJ Parker.

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Oct 9, 2012

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In 1966 I attended my first World Science Fiction Convention (the 24th annual), the Tricon, with somewhat over 3,000 attendees, held over Labor Day weekend in Cleveland. All the talk among the professional writers that year was of one New York editor at a major publishing house who had just upped his company’s output of hardcover science fiction from two novels a year, which it had been for the last ten years, to twenty-four(!) novels a year1 (which, incidentally, it has been for the last twelve years). All we pros, young and old, talked of this man in reverent tones as a great gentleman, practically a scholar, seriously committed to the field and deeply concerned with the development of the genre. That weekend Roger Zelazny’s This Immortal tied with Frank Herbert’s Dune for the Hugo. Indeed, that weekend was the first time I met Zelazny in person. (Back then, because our last names shared five letters, we were frequently mistaken for one another by readers.) Over dinner with Roger and his wife in the hotel’s rather ornate restaurant—it had a transparent plastic bridge over a luminous fishpond—he mentioned that This Immortal had, months ago, been submitted to this fabled editor, who’d bounced it. Well, certainly there was nothing remarkable there. But back in New York, a week later, the will of the gods conspired so that this very editor called up and invited me to lunch! And that is how it came to pass, during a lull in the conversation after the first very dry martini and before the fillet of sole, that I casually remarked: “I was just in Cleveland last week, when Zelazny’s This Immortal tied with Dune for the Hugo. You may have missed out on something there: Zelazny tells me he submitted it to you and you bounced it.” And the great man, shining hope of the genre, committed to and concerned about the development of the field, looked at me across the rim of his martini glass and, with a slight frown, inquired: “The Hugo Award? Now what’s that?”

This was my first encounter with that complete dissociation with what I had taken to be the real world: the SF editor of a major publishing house, who himself edited twenty-four SF novels a year, did not in 1966 know what the Hugo award was!

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In 1951 some 15 SF novels were published. In 1971 there were closer to 300—most of them paperbacks. In 1979 there were approximately 700 new SF books published.

Being into sci-fi back when there were 15 novels a year must have been fun. You could literally read everything being published in the genre.

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Jul 27, 2007
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Jedit posted:

Suggesting that Tom Holt veered in any direction is so outlandish as to qualify as F/SF in its own right. The man's written the same book twenty times. I was absolutely floored when I learned that he was KJ Parker.

I think that being KJ Parker is the veering being suggested.

branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009

Jedit posted:

Suggesting that Tom Holt veered in any direction is so outlandish as to qualify as F/SF in its own right. The man's written the same book twenty times. I was absolutely floored when I learned that he was KJ Parker.

I liked who's afraid of Beowulf & expecting someone taller (Norse gods & the ring cycle respectively).

Grailblazers I found in a holiday house and liked too.

I read all the others up to the mid 90s before I gave up

Each return to the well is less rewarding and I was shocked to see that he's still writing 'comedy' fantasy. Who is buying these things?

Robert Rankin is another who is somehow still banging them out.

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Dec 16, 2004



mllaneza posted:

Really, really good books. Interesting worldbuilding, nifty magic, compelling plots, and solid characters. I'm so very sorry there were only three of these.

There were more, actually, they were just like self-published blog stuff

edit: oh, actually maybe the third book was the one that started out with a bunch of blog posts

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