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Spoilers for 30 year old manga jojo's bizzare adventure battle tendency but the nazi dies super hard at Stalingrad after getting cut in half in a Kars accident. So, it's not like he gets a particularly happy ending.
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Volcott posted:Spoilers for 30 year old manga jojo's bizzare adventure battle tendency but the nazi dies super hard at Stalingrad after getting cut in half in a Kars accident. So, it's not like he gets a particularly happy ending. Yeah but the manga implied he did it doing what he loved. It’s a happy ending for him
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Aug 23, 2020 21:58
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:There's an episode of Sunny where they make a big deal over Dennis getting an iPhone. It's kinda funny to look back on it now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK-ZRxeJIiU
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Aug 23, 2020 22:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah but the manga implied he did it doing what he loved. jokes on him tho since germany lost the war
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Aug 23, 2020 22:41
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah but the manga implied he did it doing what he loved. av/post combo
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Aug 23, 2020 23:25
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Friends is comedic while Seinfeld is funny. I will not be taking questions at this time
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Aug 23, 2020 23:35
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the_steve posted:It's easy to forget, but, Friends was kinda groundbreaking for it's time due to its focusing on a "younger" cast. Yeah - I also remember reading that the network initially pushed back against having the group hang out in a coffee shop - because that was considered too young and weird for middle American audiences.
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Aug 24, 2020 00:59
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And the idea of a truly equal ensemble cast was also just not understood by network higher-ups, who REALLY pushed to make it just 'Ross, Rachel and The Rest'. The entire cast had to collectively argue pretty hard to get paid the same wage because of it. Friends aged REAL bad in some places, but in terms of the evolution of the sitcom it's an unarguably big part of the chain. It's a bit like Scrubs in that way, more important for what it did than it standing the test of time quality-wise, although I do think Scrubs holds up way better.
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Aug 24, 2020 01:36
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Cleretic posted:And the idea of a truly equal ensemble cast was also just not understood by network higher-ups, who REALLY pushed to make it just 'Ross, Rachel and The Rest'. The entire cast had to collectively argue pretty hard to get paid the same wage because of it. The more awkward Scrubs stuff is a few blackface moments, but they're well aware of that and had a whole episode on the Zach Braff/Donald Faison podcast about it.
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Aug 24, 2020 01:40
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Seinfeld was originally considered "too New York" and you can probably guess what that is code for.
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Aug 24, 2020 02:39
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Cleretic posted:And the idea of a truly equal ensemble cast was also just not understood by network higher-ups, who REALLY pushed to make it just 'Ross, Rachel and The Rest'. The entire cast had to collectively argue pretty hard to get paid the same wage because of it. Wasn't it originally pitched as a Courtney Cox vehicle?
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Aug 24, 2020 03:00
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Friends now, and I suppose partly why it was so popular, is because it was acceptable as background noise. People poo poo on it, but noticably they do not poo poo on it because it was bad. It was never bad, or unfunny, or anger-inducing etc. It was never actually good either. If you can find me one person that actually felt joy, or heart-warmed, or doubled over with laughter because of an episode of friends, I would be hugely surprised. It was beige, people pleasing mush that offended nobody, so kinda sorta by default was the one thing all Also it was drat near exclusively straight and white. Apart from Ross's one black and one Asian girlfriends there were no other non-white people sho got screen time that I can remember. And apart from Chandler's trans dad. (And even then that was a homophobic portrayal of non-straightness. Maybe it was just young me being confused, but I don't know if they ever clarified if Chandler's dad was a drag queen or a a trans woman.), and Ross's ex wife and her wife, (who got less and less screen time after the first efw series), all else was hugely middle of the road sexuality wise. Which to the demographics they were aiming at, the network execs considered that a plus.
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Aug 24, 2020 05:22
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BrigadierSensible posted:Friends was drat near exclusively straight and white. Apart from Ross's one black and one Asian girlfriends there were no other non-white people sho got screen time that I can remember. https://youtu.be/oUc0vbSlanM
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Aug 24, 2020 05:29
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BrigadierSensible posted:And apart from Chandler's trans dad. (And even then that was a homophobic portrayal of non-straightness. Maybe it was just young me being confused, but I don't know if they ever clarified if Chandler's dad was a drag queen or a a trans woman.) A quick check says that Chandler's dad is openly both. Of course, we're talking 90s-early 2000s awareness of trans people, so they might've not known the actual difference. Although strangely, they might've fallen rear end-backwards into a respectful depiction on that one. Chandler's dad is played by a clearly feminine woman (Kathleen Turner), and even now, trans women being drag queens is a weirdly contentious subject that there's some pushback against from cis drag queens; I know RuPaul is against it, and it's come up in relation to Drag Race a few times.
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Aug 24, 2020 05:48
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sassassin posted:Wasn't it originally pitched as a Courtney Cox vehicle? I think that was Unhappily Ever After, with Nikki Cox, that was supposed to be the vehicle.
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Aug 24, 2020 05:49
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BrigadierSensible posted:Friends now, and I suppose partly why it was so popular, is because it was acceptable as background noise. What the hell are you talking about Friends sucked dog poo poo.
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Aug 24, 2020 06:03
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rodbeard posted:What the hell are you talking about Friends sucked dog poo poo. I know that success doesn't correlate to quality, but, the show obviously did something right to run for as long as it did and have the degree of success that it does. Maybe by today's standards the show sucks, but the show debuted almost 30 years ago. 1994 was a very different time with very different tastes.
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Aug 24, 2020 06:11
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Sorry, even in ‘94 the monkey was dumb as hell.
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Aug 24, 2020 06:54
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Monkeys rule actually and should be in every show.
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Aug 24, 2020 07:02
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Cleretic posted:It's a bit like Scrubs in that way, more important for what it did than it standing the test of time quality-wise, although I do think Scrubs holds up way better. Scrubs had the best male friendship ever depicted on television.
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Aug 24, 2020 07:31
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Seinfeld was originally considered "too New York" and you can probably guess what that is code for. Only time I heard that discussed on the DVDs was in reference to this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AS_tisvQI But I take your meaning.
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Aug 24, 2020 07:33
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Scrubs had the best male friendship ever depicted on television. They were closer than the average man and wife
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Aug 24, 2020 07:48
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Cleretic posted:A quick check says that Chandler's dad is openly both. Of course, we're talking 90s-early 2000s awareness of trans people, so they might've not known the actual difference. Chandler still calls her "dad", so I dunno how respectful that is to a trans woman. Also don't a lot of the other characters refer to her as "he" and the punchline to most jokes is "haha, that man is now/looks like/acts like a woman. Isn't that silly?" But yeah, she could be both a drag performer and a trans woman. That is far more than I remember. But I suppose the fact I don't remember those roles either makes the producers racist, (for only casting black people in unmemorable roles), or me, (for forgetting about/ignoring the black people that were clearly there).
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Aug 24, 2020 07:55
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the_steve posted:I know that success doesn't correlate to quality, but, the show obviously did something right to run for as long as it did and have the degree of success that it does. It cast a couple of photogenic people of both genders and leaned on the quirky self-referential episode titles. I had the misfortune of having to watch an episode of Friends once. There were no jokes in it. I don't mean "I didn't find any jokes funny", there simply weren't any jokes. Joey comes through the door - laugh track. Rachel says "good morning" - laugh track. Laugh tracks are normally used to encourage the audience because people generally feel more comfortable when they're not laughing alone. In Friends it was used as a cue card: "you are supposed to laugh here".
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Aug 24, 2020 09:38
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I feel like this has been posted before, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BFSZ8XzWOM
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Aug 24, 2020 09:51
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Hmm, 9/11 happened around the middle of the show, did they ever even say anything about it, even tangentially? Also, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there is funny material in Friends, it’s just that there’s slightly over 86 hours of content and only about 3 hours of it is actually funny.
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Aug 24, 2020 10:36
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Torquemada posted:Hmm, 9/11 happened around the middle of the show, did they ever even say anything about it, even tangentially? Also, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there is funny material in Friends, it’s just that there’s slightly over 86 hours of content and only about 3 hours of it is actually funny. There's a wiki page dedicated to media effected by the 9/11 attacks. The friends section just says quote:On the TV series Friends, in episode 8x03 ("The One Where Rachel Tells..."), Chandler and Monica could not get on their flight for their honeymoon because Chandler joked about a bombing in the airport. After the attacks, the story was rewritten and re-shot.[32] Additionally, as the show was set in New York, a screen reading "Dedicated to the People of New York City" was added to the end of episode 8x01 ("The One After 'I Do'"), which was the first episode of the series to be broadcast after the attacks and in several subsequent episodes, Joey and other members of the crew are seen wearing NYPD and FDNY apparel. On one occasion Joey is seen in a T-shirt that says "Captain Billy Burke," an NYC firefighter who lost his life in the attack.
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Aug 24, 2020 10:53
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Why would friends care about 9/11 when the real important stuff like phoebes wedding was happening
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Aug 24, 2020 11:20
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BrigadierSensible posted:Chandler still calls her "dad", so I dunno how respectful that is to a trans woman. Also don't a lot of the other characters refer to her as "he" and the punchline to most jokes is "haha, that man is now/looks like/acts like a woman. Isn't that silly?" Ive known at least one family where the transitioned parent still went by dad because that was the role she’d filled for them growing up and it was what everyone was used to. Not sure if there’s a general rule but I imagine it’s going to vary a lot
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Aug 24, 2020 11:28
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Been rewatching x-files and just rewatched genderbender, the one with the aliens that swap gender and kill people by having really good sex with them, and are also Amish. It’s a little dated but the worst thing is Scully saying it’s more likely a “transvestite” than an alien. It helps that it spends more time with the Amish angle than the gender angle, but especially by 93 standards it’s not egregious. Same with the werewolf on a reservation episode. Which again isn’t perfect, but portraying indigenous life realistically and not being too far into the mystical power angle. it’s The X-Files so there is a werewolf/skinwalker but again the way it acknowledges how the feds are basically only ever there to gently caress them over. Both of them would raise eyebrows if made today but being almost 30 years old (I feel ancient) they’re kind of impressive for the time.
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Aug 24, 2020 12:34
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If you're looking for unproblematic media then don't watch Jojo at all, it's riddled with issues you have to overlook and Joseph's Good Friend The Nazi is pretty much just point one on a giant list. Once you mentally edit the gently caress out of it it's a good show but hooooo boy
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Aug 24, 2020 12:42
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Scrubs gave us the default Fortnite dance.
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Aug 24, 2020 12:59
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Kojiro posted:If you're looking for unproblematic media then don't watch Jojo at all, it's riddled with issues you have to overlook and Joseph's Good Friend The Nazi is pretty much just point one on a giant list. Once you mentally edit the gently caress out of it it's a good show but hooooo boy Joseph is introduced crippling a racist cop threatening a black kid though, while also shooting a Coke ad In short, Joseph Joestar is a land of contrasts
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Aug 24, 2020 13:27
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muscles like this! posted:There's also that Star Wars charity organization that only dress up like the bad guys. They have the coolest outfits  (Seriously, I'm in the good-guy sister organization and dressing up to be a part of charity events owns. All the 501sties I know are cool, non-chud people.)
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Aug 24, 2020 13:35
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Friends also gave us this other docfuture gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAGECigOOko
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Aug 24, 2020 13:58
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Why am I not seeing an upload date for this video? 
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Aug 24, 2020 14:20
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Why am I not seeing an upload date for this video? It says Dec 16, 2010 on the YouTube app for me. 
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Aug 24, 2020 14:30
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Why am I not seeing an upload date for this video? Zoom out
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Aug 24, 2020 15:11
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Thanks to Wikipedia, you can look up old TV schedules: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E2%80%9395_United_States_network_television_schedule Friends definitely coasted through that first season as white noise. It was inoffensive, and broadly appealing enough, that people didn't tune out between Mad about You and Seinfeld. Which then led to MAY and Friends switching places, as well as "bonus" episodes of Friends between Seinfeld and then powerhouse ER. What's really funny is looking that the schedules for the next few years. NBC used that triple powerhouse of shows, as a spawning ground, everything in the 8:30 and 9:30 slots were in the top 10 or 20 of that year, and would then be cast out to another day of the week the next season, for the most part never to be watched again. That formula appears to have changed when Seinfeld ended. Fraiser took up Seinfeld's old slot in 98, and just couldn't draw the audience to keep the white noise afloat.
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Torquemada posted:Hmm, 9/11 happened around the middle of the show, did they ever even say anything about it, even tangentially? oldpainless posted:Why would friends care about 9/11 when the real important stuff like phoebes wedding was happening The creators apparently considered making more explicit reference to it, but decided that “Friends” wasn’t the appropriate vehicle to discuss such a serious topic, which was probably the right call. Otherwise, the thread title would be Media that did not age well: Friends 8x03: The One On 9/11.
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