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DogsInSpace! posted:I heard you guys say Young Justice wasn't that great but how was the title with Damian Wayne and Superman's kid? That sounds like something kid me might have really been into. If you are referring to Super Sons and Adventure of the Super Sons, you are correct, they rule.
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I was a liiiittle weirded out in Three Jokers when Jason Todd just, like, sics a whole loving shark on some guy, and Batman standing two feet away is just like eh whatever. Did Batman...not see the shark eat the guy? Also lol at Wonder Woman 'cuz I typed up all that shite declaring how they're not gonna have the Max Lord thing make sense and then they spent a whole issue this week having it pretty much flat out make sense within established continuity. Look, in my defense, my body involuntarily cuts off all oxygen to my brain whenever I think too hard about the Justice League/Suicide Squad crossover.
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Aug 26, 2020 00:25
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grieving for Gandalf posted:sorry if this is asked like five times a day, but I just got DC Universe (pretty much only to watch Batman: TAS and the family of shows that came from it) and realized it lets me read comics, too. For Batman specific stories you're probably best off just looking up a "best batman stories" list and then trying to find those stories. I don't know how it's laid out on DC Universe and what exactly they have so I can't help you too much with specifics. Most Batman stories are published either in the comics titled Batman or Detective Comics and you're lucky in that those comics have only ever been rebooted with a new #1 exactly once each, compared to Marvel comics, where Spider-Man has been around for twenty years less and has had four or five #1's on his main title, ignoring all the spin-off titles. Depending on what's happening sometimes those two titles are telling different stories that happen roughy around the same time chronologically, or you need to be reading both (and sometimes several other books) in order to follow a single story.
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Aug 26, 2020 00:35
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BrianWilly posted:I was a liiiittle weirded out in Three Jokers when Jason Todd just, like, sics a whole loving shark on some guy, and Batman standing two feet away is just like eh whatever. Did Batman...not see the shark eat the guy? Batman fights crime. I don't see no law about sharks doing what sharks do.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:01
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grieving for Gandalf posted:sorry if this is asked like five times a day, but I just got DC Universe (pretty much only to watch Batman: TAS and the family of shows that came from it) and realized it lets me read comics, too. How comprehensive of a reading order would you like? If you are going to be ambitious and read everything I would say skip all but gimmick villain or main villain issues/stories until '67 or '68 when batman starts making the transition into modern Batman.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:03
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Mr Hootington posted:How comprehensive of a reading order would you like? If you are going to be ambitious and read everything I would say skip all but gimmick villain or main villain issues/stories until '67 or '68 when batman starts making the transition into modern Batman. I don't think DCUniverse is anywhere close to complete enough for that kind of thing.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:09
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Am I crazy or did Batgirl today get the ages of the Gordon siblings wrong? Babs is older than Junior right? Also, the way Luke Fox kept calling her Babes drove me up the wall. I'd say I hope somebody got fired for those blunders, but they probably already did.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:23
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I wasn't really into Three Jokers, and it kind of irritated me how about 10 pages were spent on "here's how Bruce got his scars", plus the eight billionth version of the Waynes getting murdered. It's clear that Johns is trying to write what he thinks is going to be his evergreen Bat-epic.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:29
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Skwirl posted:I don't think DCUniverse is anywhere close to complete enough for that kind of thing. A good starting point is any Len Wein issues or Danny O’Neil
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Aug 26, 2020 01:29
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I finally realized--despite thinking Three Jokers was decent--what the worst part is. Imagine if it was a series released with minimal fanfare and no advanced teasing. They made it 6 issues instead of 3 oversized ones, and you end the first issue out of nowhere with the three Jokers meeting in the cabin and talking. That could have been cool and even a little surprising, and you'd want to see where they go. Instead, we're not 5 years after the initial tease and--much like with Doomsday Clock--what feels like a third of the issue released ahead of time with sketches and preview art and interviews, and now we get it and like Darth Nat said most of the first issue is just Batman's scars. The art does a lot of the heavy lifting but oof. Also, I still feel like there's a 10% chance that there isn't even any kind of concrete reason about why all three Jokers exist. I can picture a Johns interview and when asked why he didn't confirm anything just goes "it isn't about that, it's not about where the Joker(s) came from, it's that there will ALWAYS be a Joker" or some stupid non-answer.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:42
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Turns out the World's Greatest Detective couldn't figure out that the Jokers he constantly ran into were different people until a magic chair told him.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:56
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The Three Jokers are the Joker (classic), Harley Quinn (girl joker) and the Riddler (college joker). Everybody knows this.
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Aug 26, 2020 02:19
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How Wonderful! posted:The Three Jokers are the Joker (classic), Harley Quinn (girl joker) and the Riddler (college joker). Everybody knows this. Until Riddler died and they replaced him with Little Joker (Bane).
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Aug 26, 2020 02:48
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Wait did Hood just murder that little person and no one commented on it.
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Aug 26, 2020 02:51
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MonsterEnvy posted:Wait did Hood just murder that little person and no one commented on it. Technically the shark killed him.
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Aug 26, 2020 02:55
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you can't really expect anyone to give a poo poo about Gaggy's life, c'mon Three Jokers isn't gratuitously terrible or anything but it feels a lot like Doomsday Clock, not just in its obvious Alan Moore veneration but also in that whatever plans for how it was supposed to tie into the broader DCU have long since fallen through but they felt obligated to put it out anyway because of sunk costs and all
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Aug 26, 2020 02:57
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Vince MechMahon posted:Technically the shark killed him. Rubber sharks. Honest.
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Aug 26, 2020 02:58
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MonsterEnvy posted:Wait did Hood just murder that little person and no one commented on it. I guess technically the shark did it so I guess he gets a pass? I think that if this had been just an arc during a regular Batman run, at least the surprise of the 3 Jokers would have been amusing, but being this overhyped series that was supposed to answer a mistery from years ago, it feels like a waste of time and hype. Still, I totally expect lists of "where to start with Batman" or "iconic Joker stories" in 2022 to include the TPB of this series; it feels oddly unrelated to anything else going on in the main books so it would work better as a single volume.
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Aug 26, 2020 03:00
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I think it works better disconnected from everything else. Then if people like it, they can plug it in wherever it fits and say it's canon. And if people don't, they can just keep it as a trade of an "important" story that isn't in continuity.
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Aug 26, 2020 03:08
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Vince MechMahon posted:I think it works better disconnected from everything else. Then if people like it, they can plug it in wherever it fits and say it's canon. And if people don't, they can just keep it as a trade of an "important" story that isn't in continuity. I suppose, but (a) it's simply not that good thus far, and (b) trying to position it as a self-contained story doesn't work as well when so much of it is explicitly founded on preexisting continuity. which also largely applies to Doomsday Clock, not coincidentally
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Aug 26, 2020 03:15
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Barry Convex posted:I suppose, but (a) it's simply not that good thus far, and (b) trying to position it as a self-contained story doesn't work as well when so much of it is explicitly founded on preexisting continuity. which also largely applies to Doomsday Clock, not coincidentally The only big things you need to know are his history with Jason and Barbara. They spell everything else out so that someone even casually familiar could grasp it.
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Aug 26, 2020 03:17
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The existence of three Jokers on Earth-1 (mainline DC is Earth-1 right?) implies the existence of three Jokesters on Earth-3 (that's the Crime Syndicate Earth, right?). Make the three Jokesters, Coward Geoff Johns
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Aug 26, 2020 03:37
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Vince MechMahon posted:The only big things you need to know are his history with Jason and Barbara. They spell everything else out so that someone even casually familiar could grasp it. I suppose. This is admittedly subjective, but for me it’s less a reliance on continuity minutiae and more a sense that the book is extremely cognizant of what it defines as the broader Batman canon and what it intends its place in that to be, in a way that, say, The Killing Joke was not.
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Aug 26, 2020 03:41
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Feels weird that Johns is trying to distinguish between the Clown version (linked with Death in the Family) and the nominally modern Comedian version (linked with The Killing Joke) given that they were both from 1998 with TKJ coming first.
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Aug 26, 2020 03:43
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So how many Jokers were UN diplomats?
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Aug 26, 2020 03:44
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howe_sam posted:Am I crazy or did Batgirl today get the ages of the Gordon siblings wrong? Babs is older than Junior right? Also, the way Luke Fox kept calling her Babes drove me up the wall. I'd say I hope somebody got fired for those blunders, but they probably already did. I haven't read Batgirl, but I thought Junior was his son from Year One, so would be older.
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Aug 26, 2020 03:49
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Feels weird that Johns is trying to distinguish between the Clown version (linked with Death in the Family) and the nominally modern Comedian version (linked with The Killing Joke) given that they were both from 1998 with TKJ coming first. The original plans, based on the art from DC Rebirth and/or Justice League #50, clearly had the three Jokers as being original, Bolland/TKJ, and Snyder/Capullo “modern,” which would have made far more sense, but... as with Doomsday Clock, a lot of circa-2016 plans fell through
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Aug 26, 2020 03:54
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Vince MechMahon posted:Technically the shark killed him. And technically it was the bullet that killed that last guy. So is this in continuity at all, because the new batsuit is throwing me off
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Aug 26, 2020 04:22
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I feel like it was supposed to be but then it got delayed so long it just got turned into a standalone thing. That's how it reads at least. Because right now the story feels like it's trying to be a mystery, but if it was still in continuity and/or was supposed to be following up that JL stinger, then Batman should just be going "Yeah they're all the Joker, I learned it from a magic chair, let me tell you the deets" to Barbara and Jason when they're asking how there can be 3 Jokers.
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Aug 26, 2020 04:36
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Johns is no longer the "it" guy at DC which might have a little bit to do with it.
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Aug 26, 2020 04:47
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Rhyno posted:Johns is no longer the "it" guy at DC which might have a little bit to do with it. Who would be the closest now? Snyder?
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Aug 26, 2020 04:50
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My predictions that I wish were jokes: Dick Grayson will become Joker 4 at the end, and the last page of the last issue will be a 1-900 number poll to determine if the story is in continuity or not.
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Aug 26, 2020 04:51
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Thranguy posted:My predictions that I wish were jokes: If this actually happens I'm going to find you and set you on fire, because either you somehow willed it into existence or can predict the future and either way it means you're a witch.
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Aug 26, 2020 04:52
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TwoPair posted:I feel like it was supposed to be but then it got delayed so long it just got turned into a standalone thing. That's how it reads at least. Because right now the story feels like it's trying to be a mystery, but if it was still in continuity and/or was supposed to be following up that JL stinger, then Batman should just be going "Yeah they're all the Joker, I learned it from a magic chair, let me tell you the deets" to Barbara and Jason when they're asking how there can be 3 Jokers. The aforementioned decision to drop the original plan to use an explicitly modern, in-very-recent-continuity Joker in favor of oddly making TKJ and DitF two different people also strongly suggests that the Bat-office was less than fully on board with the idea and didn’t want to play ball.
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Aug 26, 2020 05:00
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They probably separated those two so that Jason and Barbara could each have their own Jokers to deal with.
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Aug 26, 2020 05:27
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Open Marriage Night posted:They probably separated those two so that Jason and Barbara could each have their own Jokers to deal with. That makes more sense for the story...but also less sense for the overall idea of 3 different Jokers.
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radlum posted:That makes more sense for the story...but also less sense for the overall idea of 3 different Jokers. yeah, I think that justification is fine if you can take the plot strictly on its own terms as a self-contained story where Batman, Batgirl, and Red Hood fight three different Jokers. if you can, then cool, more power to you, but I can't myself; even if you disregard how this was set up way back in 2016, it still feels like it’s trying too hard to be a definitive Batman/Joker story and some sort of culmination of eight decades of Batman/Joker continuity for me to treat it as such Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Aug 26, 2020 |
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Aug 26, 2020 06:30
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Everybody keeps asking who or what the three jokers are, but I feel like I must ask, quite simply, why are they doing this?
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Aug 26, 2020 06:35
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Dan Didio posted:Everybody keeps asking who or what the three jokers are, but I feel like I must ask, quite simply, why are they doing this? I feel like Johns felt like he hadn't left a big enough mark on the history of DC and this is one of his attempts to cement a legacy. Mind you, if that's accurate I feel like he's seriously underestimating his influence, we're going to be living with his decisions for a long time. I feel like Doomsday Clock and Three Jokers are two dumb ideas that didn't have the decency to come out in a timely manner and instead just sat around stinking up the joint. DC's been teasing Three Jokers for loving ages and I just cannot possibly care. Just get it out your system, guys, at least Doomsday Clock ended, even if it took an extra loving year.
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Was the Keaton/Nicholson Batman film the first time the idea of The Joker being the same guy as the thug who shot Thomas and Martha Wayne was brought up?
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