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| Season 1 (Marco Polo) |
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13 | 18.57% |
| Season 2 (The Crusade) |
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1 | 1.43% |
| Season 3 (Galaxy 4/The Myth Makers/The Daleks' Master Plan/The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve/The Celestial Toymaker/The Savages) |
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25 | 35.71% |
| Season 4 (The Smugglers/The Highlanders/The Underwater Menace/The Evil of the Daleks) |
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16 | 22.86% |
| Season 5 (The Abominable Snowmen/The Web of Fear/The Wheel in Space) |
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11 | 15.71% |
| Season 6 (The Space Pirates) |
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4 | 5.71% |
| Total: | 70 votes | ||
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Which reminds me, I really need to rewatch Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, Dark Water, Last Christmas, Heaven Sent, Oxygen and World Enough and Time again because goddamn they're so loving good. Also It Takes You Away from Jodie's first season, which is a tremendous episode and the best of her run so far.
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Aug 26, 2020 13:00
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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, but it's not literal. It's an allegory for, you know, ALWAYS CHOOSING LIFE. I understand how you can read Kill the Moon as an anti-abortion story, but I don't think it comes naturally and I think that the episode actively cuts against interpreting it in that fashion. For all the discussion it generated, it's not actually a political story. That's what I find interesting about Harness's stories: he uses politics as trappings but doesn't dip into polemic or even really advocacy. He seems practically apolitical, maybe generically liberal. Though I honestly don't remember a thing about Pyramid At The End Of The World or any of those monk episodes.
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Aug 26, 2020 13:24
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I find myself somewhat disappointed that the other two Out of Time stories are also 10 tales. I love 10....but would have much preferred to see teamups of like...9 and 6 or 11 and 7. Guess it's the same reason the Daleks keep popping up everywhere...the popular characters sell.
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Aug 26, 2020 13:37
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jivjov posted:I find myself somewhat disappointed that the other two Out of Time stories are also 10 tales. I love 10....but would have much preferred to see teamups of like...9 and 6 or 11 and 7. Guess it's the same reason the Daleks keep popping up everywhere...the popular characters sell. They didn't have nine when these were recorded -- I still don't think Eccelston's actually recorded anything -- and as far as we know Matt Smith isn't currently involved. It's not so much an issue of popularity as it is availability.
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Aug 26, 2020 13:57
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Re: 9, I was hoping maybe one was still in the recording process or something, or that the announcement of his involvement was after he'd had a chance to record some stuff Re: 11, Jacob Dudman does a really good 11
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Aug 26, 2020 14:02
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Cleretic posted:So, does Capaldi have the largest gap in quality between best and worst episodes of any Doctor? Because it feels like he does, with some actively offensive episodes and then Heaven Sent on thebother side. Someone is going to mention the Twin Dilemma and Vengeance on Varos and I will be forced to throw hands.
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Aug 26, 2020 15:02
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jivjov posted:Re: 11, Jacob Dudman does a really good 11  His 12 is bad though.
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Aug 26, 2020 15:51
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Jerusalem posted:Also It Takes You Away from Jodie's first season, which is a tremendous episode and the best of her run so far. That was a great episode but to me Demons of the Punjab is the best episode she's done.
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Aug 26, 2020 16:25
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Cleretic posted:So, does Capaldi have the largest gap in quality between best and worst episodes of any Doctor? Because it feels like he does, with some actively offensive episodes and then Heaven Sent on thebother side. It's two different consecutive Doctors, but Caves of Androzani and Twin Dilemma takes a lot to beat!
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Aug 26, 2020 17:27
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Well, it was super neat seeing Warren Brown in a televised episode
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Aug 26, 2020 17:40
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Zaroff posted:It's two different consecutive Doctors, but Caves of Androzani and Twin Dilemma takes a lot to beat! If we're talking consecutive stories, going from Earthshock to Time Flight is another contender.
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Aug 26, 2020 20:13
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Rochallor posted:Moon is an egg is great and I can only assume that the people who hate it must be watching a very different show "Moon is an egg" is a fine plot centerpiece, it's every single bit of the execution.
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Aug 26, 2020 21:26
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Everything leading up to the egg reveal was interesting Everything after though... oof
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Aug 26, 2020 21:44
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jivjov posted:I find myself somewhat disappointed that the other two Out of Time stories are also 10 tales. I love 10....but would have much preferred to see teamups of like...9 and 6 or 11 and 7. Guess it's the same reason the Daleks keep popping up everywhere...the popular characters sell. After they announced that Eccles was going to be working with them I did start to wonder if maybe they'd been holding back on announcing the rest of Out of Time because he might be involved with that, but I honestly can't be disappointed that we're getting Tennant with the living classic Doctors instead. I guess the only thing I could say is that him with his father in law again instead of McCoy is a bit of a bummer, unless these were done when Sylv was unable to record because of lockdowns
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Aug 26, 2020 21:44
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Eccleston just came back to the role, let's let him do some stuff by himself before bringing in other Doctors.
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Aug 26, 2020 21:47
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Edward Mass posted:Eccleston just came back to the role, let's let him do some stuff by himself before bringing in other Doctors. Oh I'm absolutely thrilled that there's a set of 9 only boxes coming, I just was suspecting (like Homora was) that maybe one of the three out of time stories might have him in it, that's all
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Aug 26, 2020 21:55
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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, but it's not literal. It's an allegory for, you know, ALWAYS CHOOSING LIFE. kill_the_moon_aborted.jpg
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Aug 26, 2020 22:00
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If you count Orphan 55's potential future earth as Earth proper....the entirety of Series 12 is on Earth. That's a bit disappointing.
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Aug 26, 2020 22:06
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jivjov posted:If you count Orphan 55's potential future earth as Earth proper....the entirety of Series 12 is on Earth. That's a bit disappointing. I'd like to forget The Timeless Children too, but unfortunately it did happen.
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Aug 26, 2020 22:32
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Voting Floater posted:I'd like to forget The Timeless Children too, but unfortunately it did happen. ah I haven't quite gotten to the finale two-parter yet - the synopsis I saw said something about Ireland so I was making an assumption
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Aug 26, 2020 22:39
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Kill the Moon is a story whose message I'm still not sure if the writer even knew what they were trying to say
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Aug 26, 2020 22:41
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TL posted:That was a great episode but to me Demons of the Punjab is the best episode she's done. I keep meaning to do the write-up for that episode (and Kerblam! afterwards, because it's incredible whiplash going from one to the other) but getting sidelined. I love Demons of the Punjab, it's one of the best of the season... but it's really quite remarkable that the writing AND acting isn't all that great and somehow in spite of that it raises up to be more than the sum of its parts. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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Aug 27, 2020 00:57
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Burkion posted:Kill the Moon is a story whose message I'm still not sure if the writer even knew what they were trying to say I feel like the 'abortion metaphor' interpretation caught on not because it works or was intentional, but because at least if you read it that way it mostly seems intentional. If it's not that, I've got no idea what it was supposed to be.
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Aug 27, 2020 01:00
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Kill the Moon is about how when eggs are about to hatch, they get really heavy and covered in spiders
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Aug 27, 2020 04:36
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I think the abortion metaphor reading is totally accidental and not that intuitive. It's mostly just that it's a decision about whether to let something be born or not and there's a big button that says ABORT, and from there no matter how shaky or circumstantial the rest of the reading is, you have to at least acknowledge the subtext. I liked Kill the Moon though. Courtney was cool.
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Aug 27, 2020 04:42
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Android Blues posted:I think the abortion metaphor reading is totally accidental and not that intuitive. It's mostly just that it's a decision about whether to let something be born or not and there's a big button that says ABORT, and from there no matter how shaky or circumstantial the rest of the reading is, you have to at least acknowledge the subtext. I suspect that during production, somebody pointed out that it could be read as an anti-abortion parable and there was some hasty rewriting to muddle that interpretation as much as possible (like the big ABORT button). Choosing not to kill the mysterious space creature in the egg doesn't make it a pro-life story. That's just a Doctor Who story.
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Aug 27, 2020 04:47
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Rochallor posted:Choosing not to kill the mysterious space creature in the egg doesn't make it a pro-life story. Choosing to ignore the wishes of the people effected by the birth and force them to let it be born kind of does though. I honestly find that part of the story pretty indefensible. They ask the people of 2049 to decide what to do. They have the people of 2049 decide, overwhelmingly, that the birth is not worth the risk to them. Clara decides that she knows best and ignores their decision based on what she has decided is right, and that is that the possibility of the birth is worth the risk to their lives. This isnt subtext, this is what happened in the story. And bear in mind that the reason the people of 2049 decided that is because they were deliberately written to make that decision so Clara could unilaterally overrule them. They could just as easily have written the people of earth decide to let the moon hatch, and have Clara respect that choice. You will never convince me any professional writer is dumb enough to write that poo poo by accident, even Harkness whose Who episodes have all been dogshit.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:06
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Hadn't the moon's mass increase caused massive damage and death on earth too? Like the whole reason they used an old space shuttle was that all the real rockets and launch sites had been destroyed by the rising tides?
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Aug 27, 2020 17:11
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Zygon Invasion/Inversion was about illegal immigrants replacing the indigenous species That's zygons in general, actually...
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Aug 27, 2020 17:14
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Boxturret posted:Hadn't the moon's mass increase caused massive damage and death on earth too? Like the whole reason they used an old space shuttle was that all the real rockets and launch sites had been destroyed by the rising tides? Yeah, that’s a plot point that gets lost sometimes. There’s been a ton of upheaval on earth, and this is a last ditch attempt to find out what’s going on. My dad knows Tony Osoba, and I briefly chatted with him about his part in the episode. He complained that most of his filmed stuff had been cut out, so I can’t help but wonder what was missing.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:15
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The_Doctor posted:Yeah, that’s a plot point that gets lost sometimes. There’s been a ton of upheaval on earth, and this is a last ditch attempt to find out what’s going on. My dad knows Tony Osoba, and I briefly chatted with him about his part in the episode. He complained that most of his filmed stuff had been cut out, so I can’t help but wonder what was missing. KILL THE MOON: DIRECTOR'S CUT
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Aug 27, 2020 19:38
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CommonShore posted:KILL THE MOON: DIRECTOR'S CUT I can't help but feel any clarity on Kill The Moon's story would only hurt it
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Aug 27, 2020 19:41
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Burkion posted:I can't help but feel any clarity on Kill The Moon's story would only hurt it KILL KILL THE MOON
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Aug 27, 2020 19:46
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CommonShore posted:KILL KILL THE MOON ALL YOU NEED IS KILL THE MOON
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Aug 27, 2020 21:15
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Burkion posted:I can't help but feel any clarity on Kill The Moon's story would only hurt it I wonder if you could edit out all mentions of the Earth, make it look like a future planet with humans on it just. Give all the earth shots a tint, and replace any full moon shots with another moon like appearance.
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Aug 27, 2020 21:18
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happyhippy posted:I wonder if you could edit out all mentions of the Earth, make it look like a future planet with humans on it just. polishing a turd though
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Aug 27, 2020 21:21
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EGGS DONT GAIN MASS
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Aug 28, 2020 00:07
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"I want to seeCommonShore posted:KILL THE MOON: DIRECTOR'S CUT" said nobody, ever.
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Aug 28, 2020 01:36
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SiKboy posted:Choosing to ignore the wishes of the people effected by the birth and force them to let it be born kind of does though. I honestly find that part of the story pretty indefensible. It's extremely tone deaf and muddled as an episode though - I don't think it helped that it was made by a male writer, male producer, two male executive producers, male script editor, male director.
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Aug 28, 2020 01:47
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Astroman posted:"I want to see Curiosity is loving killing me in this case. I need to see this. My hypothesis is that it will be weirder and clumsier.
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Aug 28, 2020 04:55
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