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Lurdiak posted:That wasn't Slott's idea, that was JMS's pet concept, which he repeatedly backed off of because no one liked it. Slott just continued it (sometimes, when he remembered). Slott’s the one who created the Other/Bride/Scion trinity that are unique in the multiverse, as well as the master weaver. He may not have originated it, but he certainly escalated it.
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Yvonmukluk posted:The one problem I had with Spider-Girls was them establishing Annie as the Pattern Maker, but then then that might be my antipathy for the dumbass Spider-Totem mythos Slott decided to establish. I just viewed that as an offshoot of Annie's Spider-Sense allowing her to see the future, which was a part of her character going back to the start of the RYV ongoing.
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Aug 25, 2020 14:20
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howe_sam posted:I just viewed that as an offshoot of Annie's Spider-Sense allowing her to see the future, which was a part of her character going back to the start of the RYV ongoing. No, they expressly stated that the Pattern-Maker was another part of the mythos. I guess it’s her special destiny or whatever. Which we’re now stuck with forever, as the latest Spider-Verse miniseries illustrates. At least when JMS did the totem thing he left room for ambiguity, at least before The Other. And that didn’t automatically tie in every other Spider-Character Marvel published.
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Aug 25, 2020 14:58
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The most upsetting thing for me are all the shots of the Things gums in Antithesis.
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Aug 26, 2020 01:31
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Aug 26, 2020 12:07
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The daredevil annual was amazing and why aren’t more people talking about it
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Aug 26, 2020 15:20
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Looking at the new Marvel Previews, and I have to wonder... How many First Nations people were involved in the production of their Native American Cover theme this month. Zero, or just near zero?
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Aug 26, 2020 19:28
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Looking at the new Marvel Previews, and I have to wonder... How many First Nations people were involved in the production of their Native American Cover theme this month. Seriously, loving  I thought the entire point was to highlight First Nations creators.
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Aug 26, 2020 19:31
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Looking at the new Marvel Previews, and I have to wonder... How many First Nations people were involved in the production of their Native American Cover theme this month. It looks like the artist who did all the covers is Native American, so one?
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Aug 26, 2020 19:58
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Chinston Wurchill posted:It looks like the artist who did all the covers is Native American, so one? Oh drat, that is awesome. Really surprised.
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Aug 26, 2020 20:53
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And again we learn the value of doing research
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Aug 27, 2020 00:56
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Blockhouse posted:And again we learn the value of doing research Never.
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Aug 27, 2020 01:32
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That style is really cool. Also reminds me of Tartakovsky.
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Aug 27, 2020 01:58
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bobkatt013 posted:The daredevil annual was amazing and why aren’t more people talking about it I feel like that's the entirety of Zdarsky's run summed up. Brilliant and nobody's talking about it. Me being guilty as well.
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I'm really liking it so far. Though, and I'm sure this is on me since I'm reading all these books on Marvel Unlimited, but I'm just getting burnt out on books with villains that operate in the open and turn the world against the hero with social media/Fox News. It just feels like its been a constant in 3-4 books at a time for the last few years.
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Aug 27, 2020 04:44
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X-O posted:I feel like that's the entirety of Zdarsky's run summed up. Brilliant and nobody's talking about it. Me being guilty as well. I thought it was great overall, though I don't get the final page thing. Chip said on twitter that it was seeded on issue 13, but I don't get what I'm missing there.
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Aug 27, 2020 06:23
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radlum posted:I thought it was great overall, though I don't get the final page thing. Chip said on twitter that it was seeded on issue 13, but I don't get what I'm missing there. The other dude is Kingpin's son is what I thought it meant.
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Aug 27, 2020 06:41
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Codependent Poster posted:The other dude is Kingpin's son is what I thought it meant. Is he back? I thought his mom killed him during Bendis' run (I know, comic books).
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Aug 27, 2020 07:31
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Skwirl posted:Is he back? I thought his mom killed him during Bendis' run (I know, comic books). No, this is a previously unknown son. Not Richard Fisk.
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Aug 27, 2020 08:03
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Codependent Poster posted:No, this is a previously unknown son. Not Richard Fisk. These are probably questions that would best be answered by me just reading Zdarsky's Daredevil, but, same mother? And what is the current state of Vanessa Fisk?
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Aug 27, 2020 08:10
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Vanessa is presently dead I think. Over in ASM Fisk seems to have an arrangement with Kindred, the overarching villain of the run, to bring her back at a later point. Dunno how that factors into Zdarsky’s Daredevil, if it does.
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Aug 27, 2020 13:05
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Is this Fortnite event canon?
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Aug 27, 2020 15:20
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I hope Butch Fisk teams up with Princess Fisk from Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur: There's also Richard Fisk of course, and then I think he sort of raised Maya Lopez after killing her dad-- I forget how familial that relationship was framed as but he definitely paid for her schooling.
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Aug 27, 2020 15:29
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The only thing I have not liked about Chips DD run is how Spidey, cage, and Iron Fist were all. "Oh you accidentally killed a guy while fighting...yeah, that happens." and then Spidey like...threatening Matt to not be Daredevil anymore..? I may be misremembering the exact details, but how the other street level heroes react to Matt's manslaughter felt really off. Everything else has been aces, though.
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Aug 27, 2020 16:07
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Gripweed posted:Is this Fortnite event canon? Apparently, maybe, yes.
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Aug 27, 2020 16:09
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enigmahfc posted:The only thing I have not liked about Chips DD run is how Spidey, cage, and Iron Fist were all. "Oh you accidentally killed a guy while fighting...yeah, that happens." and then Spidey like...threatening Matt to not be Daredevil anymore..? CAGE: What happened was an accident. It's what happens when you do what we do... We've all been there. Sometimes people die. Sometimes it's our fault. JONES: None of us go out looking for it. None of us are careless. But it happens. And you deal with it, and you move on... because it's part of the job. Daredevil's response to this is "You're all murderers! We're all murderers!" and he decides he can't be a superhero/vigilante anymore. Then Spider-Man confronts him (separately) at home, where he tells Matt, "You're a mess. You're in trouble and on a suicide mission. And I'm here to tell you you're done... I'm spreading the word. If any of us see you out there, attempting this, we'll stop you. We have to. Or it could be the end of all of us." Daredevil agrees, and says he's going to quit being Daredevil. You can argue if this is good characterization for any of the characters, but it's consistent in the sense that [Nu-Defenders] don't see this as a breaking point, but Spider-Man absolutely does, and those characterizations are consistent across the run.
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Edge & Christian posted:Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Danny Rand pull him out of an alley and patch him up and they are in fact kind of conciliatory towards the situation: I guess it came off as more flippant and "whatever, you killed a dude", to me, where none of them seemed especially comforting or sympathetic to him. Maybe I was just in that kind of mood. And the Spidey thing felt so far off, with him putting someone else in time-out for letting this 'job' get to them, when he himself has had so many 'breaking point' style stories. He seemed like an aggro bro. It all feels like something that would totally work with other characters (not sure who, but still) but fell completely flat with me with the characters they used. But like I said, maybe I need to reread it in different mood or frame of mind.
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Aug 27, 2020 17:49
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Gripweed posted:Is this Fortnite event canon? da nexus
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enigmahfc posted:I guess it came off as more flippant and "whatever, you killed a dude", to me, where none of them seemed especially comforting or sympathetic to him. Maybe I was just in that kind of mood.
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I don't know about Danny, but I figure Jessica and Luke have to have a no kill rule otherwise Purple Man definitely shouldn't be breathing.
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Aug 27, 2020 18:57
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Spidey feels like the one that would be sympathetic, and Cage or Jones feel like the one that should have laid down the law. I think that's what feel off to me. But I do not get paid to write comics.
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Aug 27, 2020 19:01
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Plus it wasn't just that DD accidentally killed someone, but for the few issues before and after Matt was losing control more and more. It's not like DD being an addiction for Matt is new ground, think of Spider-Man coming in being like an intervention. "You're sick, you need help. Let this be the rock bottom you build yourself up from, don't go searching for a lower place to fall. We won't let you." It's usually a lot harder for close friends and family to say the things that need to be said in the situation.
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Aug 27, 2020 19:10
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Has the punisher chimed in on Matt killing a guy?
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Aug 27, 2020 19:11
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Yvonmukluk posted:The only times Peter's accidentally killed someone to my knowledge is Gwen Stacy & Charlie in Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, both of which weighed heavily on him. Not to mention, I don't know if the others actually have no-kill rules. He's accidentally let a number of bad guys die. The Modular Man, some wizard named Moondark he fought with Werewolf by Night, a guy named Drom who he let age backwards out of existence, and some Terry Kavanagh doofus he used as a human shield. I also just recently reread the old annual where he learns about his parents, and he tricks some missiles into exploding some nobody Red Skull henchman too.
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How Wonderful! posted:He's accidentally let a number of bad guys die. The Modular Man, some wizard named Moondark he fought with Werewolf by Night, a guy named Drom who he let age backwards out of existence, and some Terry Kavanagh doofus he used as a human shield. I also just recently reread the old annual where he learns about his parents, and he tricks some missiles into exploding some nobody Red Skull henchman too. There's also the instance he was grappling with when the Kingsley Hobgoblin stuff was in full swing. He was fighting the Sin-Eater and leaped to avoid the Eater's shotgun blast... which went into the crowd.
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Aug 27, 2020 19:23
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How long was it until Spider-Man felt guilty about the web snapping Gwen's neck? I feel like when I first read through those issues years ago I was surprised as a fan who came into the comics much later that he didn't think at all about the web snapping her neck. Not just in that issue but in subsequent issues as well. Like reading Amazing Fantasy #15 for the first time and learning the famous catchphrase was only narrated and not said by Ben.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Has the punisher chimed in on Matt killing a guy? I also misunderstood your original post enigma, I thought you were bothered by Spider-Man brushing it off then being angry later. Spider-Man was always angry, which I can see from your posts you have a solid case for why that's not aligning with his character, I just wanted to clarify that it was consistent within Zdarsky DD at least.
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Edge & Christian posted:Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Danny Rand pull him out of an alley and patch him up and they are in fact kind of conciliatory towards the situation: I remember during Gruenwald’s captain America run, where Cap killed an ULTIMATUM terrorist to save a crowd of people. It happened right before John Walker took over, and was one of the reasons he decided to give it up without a fight. He agonized for a bunch of issues over it, had to make public statements about how he’s not a killer, and had to deal with crazies on both sides of the issues waiter supporting or condemning him. It happened right around the time of Spider-Man vs Wolverine and when Iron Man accidentally killed the Titanium Man and agonized over it. It was a big point by Marvel writers I guess to show how “this guy ain’t the Punisher but he ain’t afraid to kill if he has to!” Even as a kid I kept thinking “why is Cap freaking out over killing a terrorist who was about to execute dozens of innocent hostages when he was offing Nazis left and right in world war 2?”
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Dan Didio posted:Apparently, maybe, yes. Oh poo poo apparently it is not only canon, you need to play it to understand the upcoming event https://twitter.com/ComicBook/status/1299017714552451073?s=20
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