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I was playing dinosaurs in Bo1. Boarding for one extremely specific matchup seems like a poor decision. It just sucks when you run into it.
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thespaceinvader posted:I think this is going to be kind of a weird standard given that I understand they're shooting for a generally lower power level than with ELD, IKO and THB. They're looking for a lower power level, but nobody knows just how much lower. The stated goal is to ramp up the power level through the block (well...non-block. What do they call it now?) so the first set is the weakest, the last set is the strongest. I don't think that accomplished that with Eldraine -> Ikoria, but it is the goal.
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Aug 27, 2020 08:04
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Maining a solid body that deals with enchantments for Bo1 seems like a pretty good idea in general though? It's not like you're gonna be sad to cast a 3/4 for 3 even if the upside doesn't go off.
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thespaceinvader posted:Maining a solid body that deals with enchantments for Bo1 seems like a pretty good idea in general though? If the combo is enough of a problem in historic, sure. Historic decks aren't entirely happy to just play a 3/4 for 3 mana. The power level is a little higher.
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house of the dad posted:Do you even play magic. do you? house of the dad posted:in Bo1 guess not but yes, if you're going to play the coin flip format enough to complain about it, you should probably put some safety valves in your deck
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Aug 27, 2020 08:08
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house of the dad posted:If the combo is enough of a problem in historic, sure. Historic decks aren't entirely happy to just play a 3/4 for 3 mana. The power level is a little higher. if you're going to play bo1, you need to play some of the cards that deal with things that your deck can't usually deal with since you can't lead with your most effective general deck for game 1 and board in answers games 2 and 3.
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house of the dad posted:I was playing dinosaurs in Bo1. Boarding for one extremely specific matchup seems like a poor decision. It just sucks when you run into it. If you're not willing to say "I'm going to auto-lose to this deck and I'm okay with that", then you need to have a plan for beating it in bo1. That could be by winning faster than they can get set up, or it could be by having cards that can interact after they do set it up. It doesn't sound like you're okay with auto-losing, so the people suggesting cards that give you game in that matchup but still aren't embarrassing in other matchups are being pretty reasonable. Nobody's suggesting narrow cards that are totally dead against other decks.
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house of the dad posted:If the combo is enough of a problem in historic, sure. Historic decks aren't entirely happy to just play a 3/4 for 3 mana. The power level is a little higher. I don't play historic, it's true, but I'm still assuming that Historic has more enchantments and artifacts than just this one combo? What I'm saying is that to build good Bo1 decks you sometimes need to either include modal cards that aren't quite as useful if you don't get to pay off all the modes, or accept that sometimes you get humped by bad matchups you don't have answers to. If you don't like Brontodon, try Gemrazer. It's not a dinosaur, though.
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Aug 27, 2020 08:13
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Anyway, M19 Vivian has a great + for any midrange beater deck, and her - will happily answer enchantments for you.
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Thank you guys for all the helpful historic dinosaurs suggestions. I will take them into account.
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On a completely different note, because I keep wondering about it, what's the theoretical maximum power you can swing with on turn 2 that doesn't involve one-round pumps? Is it possible to do better than 3 Fervent Champions? 7 is doable if you don't care about it staying on the board with any 1-power drop and 2 Infuriate, can you get to 8? I can't think of a red 2-x for 1 though.
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Aug 27, 2020 08:19
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Scorch Spitter is practically a 2/1 for 1, though on turn two it's been the same amount of damage as any hasty 1-drop.
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Aug 27, 2020 08:24
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Ah true, yeah, Spitter gets to 8.
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thespaceinvader posted:On a completely different note, because I keep wondering about it, what's the theoretical maximum power you can swing with on turn 2 that doesn't involve one-round pumps? Burning Tree Emissary can have 4 2/2s on the board on turn 2 with a perfect draw (in Historic). I've personally done it with 3.
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thespaceinvader posted:On a completely different note, because I keep wondering about it, what's the theoretical maximum power you can swing with on turn 2 that doesn't involve one-round pumps? Without single round pumps, 10 is the highest I can go: T1: Plains > Isamaru, Hound of Konda > Mox Amber > Cartouche of Solidarity -> 3x Ornithopter or Tormod's Crypt T2: All That Glitters on Isamaru, who will now be a 9/9(2/2 base, +1/+1 Cartouche, +6/+6 Glitters). The Cartouche's 1/1 warrior token means you swing for 10 total. *If you're on the draw you can add another Ornithopter to that for 11 total. With single round pumps, 12 T1: Torch Courier, 4x Tormod's Crypt, T2: Slaughter-Priest of Mogis. Sacrifice the Courier to haste the Slaughter-Priest, then sacrifice the 4 Crypts. 5 sacrifices gives the Slaughter-Priest +10/0 for a 12/2 on T2. Khizan fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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Shooting Blanks posted:Burning Tree Emissary can have 4 2/2s on the board on turn 2 with a perfect draw (in Historic). I've personally done it with 3. They're not swinging on turn 2 though
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Haha wow that Slaughter-Priest/Tormod's Crypt one is amazing. I do like this kind of theory-op.
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If it's in Historic and you're on the draw you could go t1: Stomping Ground, Soulscar Mage t2: Green land, 4x Rosethorn Acolyte adventure with the last two making red, 2x Infuriate to get to 13 if I'm counting right e: I guess it doesn't need to be Stomping Ground actually, it could just be Mountain + Forest and you could chain all the Rosethorns off the Forest and use the last one for Infuriate #1 and the Mountain for Infuriate #2 TheIncredulousHulk fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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Shooting Blanks posted:Burning Tree Emissary can have 4 2/2s on the board on turn 2 with a perfect draw (in Historic). I've personally done it with 3. I have some bad news for you...
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Lone Goat posted:I have some bad news for you... Release my beautiful child
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Anyone have hot takes on well-positioned decks in the Historic Mythic meta? I'm prepping for the MCQ in September and am trying to figure out what decks to practice with
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Rethought it. T1: RG or BG shock land, Gilded Goose, 4x Tormod's Crypt. T1: Land, slaughter-priest, cast torch courier using the goose. Sac the courier and crypts. +12/+0 from six sacrifices, swing for 14. Takes 9 cards, so only works on the draw.
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wei posted:Anyone have hot takes on well-positioned decks in the Historic Mythic meta? I'm prepping for the MCQ in September and am trying to figure out what decks to practice with UW Auras punishes greed GBx Coco/Citadel is probably the best grindy deck RB(G) Sacrifice is the other grindy deck UWx Control is filling a familiar slot Sultai Ramp has it all Red Burn
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Eej posted:Red Burn ISs this a conscious decision to make red instants just that much worse to encourage creature strats?
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Well, Regenerate is a retired keyword now so Lightning Strike is basically the same thing now
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Shrecknet posted:I noticed, coming back to standard, that damage from red spells is substantially nerfed now. I made my peace with lightning bolt being too good, but Incinerate? It seems like very few spells can go to the dome anymore, instead being "creature or PW" Strong burn actually makes creature aggro good because it gives it reach to finish people off. They don't seem to want hyper efficient RDW running rampant because that makes the slower decks bad. Semi-efficient burn spells that just dont go to the dome seem to be there to ensure red is a removal option still and red needs a way to deal with Walkers on the board or it just sucks.
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print fireblast into historic cowards
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Big update? It's re-downloading the client. [edit]They added the preorders for zendikar. lemonadesweetheart fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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Jabor posted:Scorch Spitter is practically a 2/1 for 1, though on turn two it's been the same amount of damage as any hasty 1-drop. It's actually better than that in a lot of decks, as there are a handful of mechanics that trigger off of player damage (which happens regardless of if they block it) and a few things which care about power levels of 1. Plus it's super cute. I'm glad my happy lizard friend got some competitive action.
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Time posted:print fireblast into historic cowards
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pJyOtEzLWo paper magic, I know, but this is an all-timer from my hero
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Eej posted:This deck gets completely annihilated by Disdainful Stroke fwiw we... probably have more Karns than they have Disdainful Stroke, especially in the Bo1 queues this was designed for, and decks that run Disdainful stroke are also sometimes just loving dead to the turn 3 nissa draw? We definitely have more 4+ CMC bombs than nearly anything has counters for period. I mean, yeah, it's pretty self-evident that a 2cmc answer to a 4cmc bomb can be game winning, but if you're looking at this list as a Bo1 queue list and thinking that Disdainful Stroke is a problem, uh, you're having a really different experience of the meta than I am....
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Is the article about the Zendikar mastery pass up yet? Does it look like it's goign to be reasonable value?
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thespaceinvader posted:Is the article about the Zendikar mastery pass up yet? To pose a follow up newbie question, is it worth it to get the $50 preorder promo with the mastery pass and draft tokens with the planeswalker stuff in it? I was planning on getting the $50 packs preorder, now I'm wondering if it's a value to get both.
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Get both planeswalker bundles, you'll get a free pet. Best Value.
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Anyone know what the 1.5GB patch was? Edit: NM, hadn't even checked the store Shooting Blanks fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 27, 2020 |
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Nitramster posted:To pose a follow up newbie question, is it worth it to get the $50 preorder promo with the mastery pass and draft tokens with the planeswalker stuff in it? I was planning on getting the $50 packs preorder, now I'm wondering if it's a value to get both. If the pass is worthwhile, the preorder bundle is usually better value than spending the equivalent amount on gems, but IIRC the packs bundle is usually slightly worse value than buying gems at the best rate and spending them on packs. The pre-order coming with free pass levels is actually a point against it in my book though as I'm two weeks out from the new set and already levelled out of the rewards. Shooting Blanks posted:Anyone know what the 1.5GB patch was? Releasing the pre-orders usually comes with a big patch. Presumably new artwork assets and models and stuff.
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I got both things because I'm a sucker. My new rocky boy is swell. His head spins and he can explode and extra bonus points for not having any annoying sounds attached so far that I've noticed.
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Love how one of the preorder bundles has the new Jace, but the text box for his card overflows and there's no way to scroll down in the store screen.
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From the breakdown of the mastery pass: CUSTOMIZABLE EMOTES 10x Text Emotes 5x Sticker Emotes Not sure what this is going to entail but I guess we're getting more emotes.
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