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Shame Boy posted:going by what's in the article he threatened to put knives in things, then what was actually found was shards of metal. so yeah i'm imagining that he carefully broke a knife into little bits to put in, because otherwise it would be lying though I kinda wish he hadn't realized that baby food jars are too small for a knife and just stabbed a knife through the lid and left it jutting out
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US government attempting to seize the contents of 280 cryptocurrency accounts it alleges contain the proceeds of North Korean cryptocurrency exchange hacks. The complaint has some interesting discussion on how they traced the funds: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1310421/download This is clearly good for Bitcoin
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Soylent Pudding posted:US government attempting to seize the contents of 280 cryptocurrency accounts it alleges contain the proceeds of North Korean cryptocurrency exchange hacks. The complaint has some interesting discussion on how they traced the funds: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1310421/download i skimmed it expecting to find that they were seeking to require an exchange, i.e. a legal entity of some sort to turn over accounts people had opened. but it looks like they are actually looking (in effect) for a court to declare that the US government should be recognized as the rightful owner of the virtual currency holdings at those addresses? i guess so that no exchange will touch coins coming from those addresses? has there been a case before of a legal claim where the defendant was just "such and such a set of blockchain addresses"? also, there is a table of stolen money amounts and i had never heard of any of the buttcoins in the table. I guess there is still a community of people copy-pasting these things and pumping them trying to get rich (don't know why I would have doubted it)
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According to the friend who sent that to me the US has sanctioned specific Bitcoin addresses but I don't know if they've done in rem actions before. And yes, this is an asset forfeiture action against the cryptocurrency in those addresses. I imagine the hope is to render them useless to North Korea by ensuring no one else wants to touch them and risk having them seized or being fined for doing business with north Korea. Thanks to Best Korea the UN and government regulatory agencies are taking a much harder look at the cryptocurrency ecosystem than they used to. It wouldn't surprise me if in the next several years there's a bigger crackdown of regulatory enforcement.
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Hammerite posted:also, there is a table of stolen money amounts and i had never heard of any of the buttcoins in the table. I guess there is still a community of people copy-pasting these things and pumping them trying to get rich (don't know why I would have doubted it) i just quickly skimmed coin market cap looking at the ones that have the lowest number of coins first since they'd likely be the youngest and there's a bunch made this year, last month even they all have double or even triple digit million market caps, obviously. i wonder if you added up all the market caps for all the thousands of coins out there how much greater would it be than all the money in the world
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lol one born every minute. from the comments in a youtube 30 rock compilation:
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Boxturret posted:i just quickly skimmed coin market cap looking at the ones that have the lowest number of coins first since they'd likely be the youngest and there's a bunch made this year, last month even blockchain is the future of the world economy. QED
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Hammerite posted:i skimmed it expecting to find that they were seeking to require an exchange, i.e. a legal entity of some sort to turn over accounts people had opened. but it looks like they are actually looking (in effect) for a court to declare that the US government should be recognized as the rightful owner of the virtual currency holdings at those addresses? It's a case of in rem jurisdiction, so the defendant is an object which was created or obtained via illegal activity. Basically the case is brought vs the assets once they have been seized by the US Government, or when they are seeking seizure of the assets. Haven't there been other cases where it's been United States of America vs *some amount of cryptocurrency*? I guess that if the judge says "yeah those buttcoins were created or obtained via illegal activity or used to fund it" then the US Government could go to whatever exchange holds the coins from those addresses and seize them. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/265/438 https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4401218892861670002&hl=en&as_sdt=6,33 IANAL, but Mr. Nice actually is, so he knows better than me and can probably give a better interpretation what the government is seeking with that lawsuit. orange juche fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 28, 2020 |
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not necessarily created or obtained illegally - ship seizures are done in rem as well when there is a workplace liability issue or any other issue that could cause a vessel to get seized. in rem stuff is used anytime there is dubious ownership as a way for the feds to go "we have this, and we're going to take and sell it. if you have any interest, better step up now cause its about to be gone forever."
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now i am curious what would actually happen if some blacklisted coins got put through a tumbler or an exchange. if a tumbler they could go after the tumbler operator i guess? if the operator should have reasonably known not to accept them which i imagine would be fun to prove. assuming they went through a rigorous enough tumbler (which I know is not a given) they still would lose the coins and any chain of custody of them right? if they went to an exchange (outside US jurisdiction and/or with weak KYC) would they then blacklist any withdrawals after that? would be entertaining but probably not feasible to enforce. is the anecdote that statistically every bitcoin has been stolen at least once still true? probably holds several times over for some altcoins.
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I would imagine that much like Joe, the coins are now polluted and must stay away from society indefinitely, lest anyone who touches them gets slapped by any number of countries (other countries hate money laundering too), as one thing that case establishes is legal proof of those specific addresses and those BTC being involved in cybercrime. poo poo, the rai stone at the bottom of the ocean will be more transactable than those coins. orange juche fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Aug 28, 2020 |
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I do like the idea of bitscoined being tried both in absentia and in abstract.
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I know some people in the regulatory and policy space arguing for an interpretation of widely spreading poison when it comes to sanctioned addressed. The idea being that once an address is sanctioned then any address receiving coins from it becomes automatically sanctioned and so on recursively. I hope their view wins out.
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Soylent Pudding posted:I know some people in the regulatory and policy space arguing for an interpretation of widely spreading poison when it comes to sanctioned addressed. The idea being that once an address is sanctioned then any address receiving coins from it becomes automatically sanctioned and so on recursively. I hope their view wins out. it makes the most sense, since bitcoins aren't real better to burn anything that came in contact with bad coins
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imagine someone getting hold of some of the infected coins and sending them to a known satoshi wallet
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In that case Satoshi could cure the address by immediately surrendering the coins to the government.
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Soylent Pudding posted:I know some people in the regulatory and policy space arguing for an interpretation of widely spreading poison when it comes to sanctioned addressed. The idea being that once an address is sanctioned then any address receiving coins from it becomes automatically sanctioned and so on recursively. I hope their view wins out. couldnt the controller of the sanctioned addresses cause a ton of havoc under this approach by sending a chunk of coins unsolicited to anyone and everyone with known public addresses, just to poo poo up their addresses and make the system unenforceable?
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orange juche posted:poo poo, the rai stone at the bottom of the ocean will be more transactable than those coins.
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Azathoth posted:couldnt the controller of the sanctioned addresses cause a ton of havoc under this approach by sending a chunk of coins unsolicited to anyone and everyone with known public addresses, just to poo poo up their addresses and make the system unenforceable? That could be argued to be a feature instead of a bug. But there likely would be a safe harbor provision for surrendering poisoned coins received innocently.
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Azathoth posted:couldnt the controller of the sanctioned addresses cause a ton of havoc under this approach by sending a chunk of coins unsolicited to anyone and everyone with known public addresses, just to poo poo up their addresses and make the system unenforceable? 
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Azathoth posted:couldnt the controller of the sanctioned addresses cause a ton of havoc under this approach by sending a chunk of coins unsolicited to anyone and everyone with known public addresses, just to poo poo up their addresses and make the system unenforceable?
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Soylent Pudding posted:That could be argued to be a feature instead of a bug. But there likely would be a safe harbor provision for surrendering poisoned coins received innocently. yeah, definitely not arguing that butters deserve leniency or anything, just that if those coins are next to useless because of the sanction, it seems like they could get up to a lot of no good with them
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Azathoth posted:couldnt the controller of the sanctioned addresses cause a ton of havoc under this approach by sending a chunk of coins unsolicited to anyone and everyone with known public addresses, just to poo poo up their addresses and make the system unenforceable? sounds to me like they should spread the laffs far and wide
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Gobbeldygook posted:a mischievous DNM could plausibly do this. the addresses they use to send/receive money are well known, so they could cause some chaos by sending bitcoin to famous people
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Boxturret posted:is ver still bitcoin jesus or did they turn against him and destroy him? yes
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Boxturret posted:is ver still bitcoin jesus or did they turn against him and destroy him? being turned against and destroyed is a big piece of the whole jesus gig thirty pieces of bits-coin
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AlbieQuirky posted:being turned against and destroyed is a big piece of the whole jesus gig
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rodger ver and andreas antonpoulous are two completely separate people with different faces and opinions on bits of coins this is slander
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2020 - Twitter accounts o prominent figurs, CEOs an celebrities are hackit tae promote a Bitcoin scam. Bitcoin is a peer-tae-peer payment seestem introduced as open soorce saftware in 2009 bi developer Satoshi Nakamoto.[4] Subunit 10−8 satoshi[1] Seembol BTC, XBT,[2] BitcoinSign.svg Demografics Date o introduction 3 Januar 2009; 11 years ago Uiser(s) Warldwide Vailuation Production 25 bitcoins per block (approximately every ten minutes) till approximately the year 2017,[3] an then efterwards 12.5 bitcoins per block for 4 years till next halvin. This halvin continues till 2110-2140. Soorce Number of bitcoins in circulation Method Increase in the supply
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2020 - Twitter accounts o prominent figurs, CEOs an celebrities are hackit tae promote a Bitcoin scam. "You can bet your bottom dollar that every single person involved in this project is a complete and utter shithead" Bitcoin is supposed to be a way ta make money off ta everyone "Bitcoin is supposed to be a way ta make money off ta everyone, but instead it turns into a scheme for the most powerful people in the world to scam the rest of us"
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Boxturret posted:rodger ver and andreas antonpoulous are two completely separate people with different faces and opinions on bits of coins this is slander
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is that from fake scots wikipedia
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EorayMel posted:2020 - Twitter accounts o prominent figurs, CEOs an celebrities are hackit tae promote a Bitcoin scam. This is violence
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Boxturret posted:rodger ver and andreas antonpoulous are two completely separate people with different faces and opinions on bits of coins this is slander antopoops twitter has been a ghost town ever since he scared everyone away by coming out as anti-nazi
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