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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Sure but that has nothing to do with Biden’s campaign other than - as he said - we need better mental health services. Biden should not be campaigning to QAnon believers, and the best we can hope for is that as material conditions improve some of these people find their way out. the atrocious state of mental health services isn't the reason QAnon is taking off it is a sick burn, but the process of falling for QAnon is not mental illness. it is seeking an explanation for why your world is awful, and continues to worsen, and nobody is helping you. and it offers a way to reconcile that reality with believing Donald Trump was ever going to help you. improving these people's material conditions would likely help them. shame neither candidate plans to do that.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:19
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sexpig by night posted:I thought this was a lock? You cant expect a democrat majority to end the Creative Murder clause, just think about how much political capital that would cost.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:22
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"Qanon is actually the white working class and it's a shame Biden won't help them" is truly one of the most perverse things I've seen this contingent of shitposters ever say in this thread.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:24
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the atrocious state of mental health services isn't the reason QAnon is taking off yeah, but people also believed that eisenhower was plotting with the communists to institute one world government through the un, and the dialogue around these beliefs went on to have a real impact on our foreign policy. this was at the height of america's post war prosperity and income equality it suggests to me that economic anxiety can exacerbate the issue, but eliminating it is not a magic bullet to the problem
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Sep 4, 2020 22:25
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Neurolimal posted:You cant expect a democrat majority to end the Creative Murder clause, just think about how much political capital that would cost. Also pretty sure some folks voting no had been directly threatened in some way. It'll come out there is intimidation involved.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:25
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The thing I think people are missing though is that the conditions which lead people to believe in QAnon aren't just "I lost my job" or "I can't afford a car" - for some people (in fact many) its "Hillary Clinton is still eating babies in the basement of a pizza shop to stay young forever" or "Barack Obama's secret man wife hasn't been executed for being a secret Muslim traitor." Part of the question that QAnon answer isn't "why didn't my vote for Trump help me out personally" its "why didn't my vote for Trump also get rid of the Muslims down the street, or put that lying bitch Clinton in jail who is definitely horrible and should be dead." I think people are forgetting that QAnon started with PIzzagate.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:25
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:The thing I think people are missing though is that the conditions which lead people to believe in QAnon aren't just "I lost my job" or "I can't afford a car" - for some people (in fact many) its "Hillary Clinton is still eating babies in the basement of a pizza shop to stay young forever" or "Barack Obama's secret man wife hasn't been executed for being a secret Muslim traitor." Part of the question that QAnon answer isn't "why didn't my vote for Trump help me out personally" its "why didn't my vote for Trump also get rid of the Muslims down the street, or put that lying bitch Clinton in jail who is definitely horrible and should be dead." Right, it's an excuse for the most racist and sexist people to believe that the Justice they were promised towards Woman With Job and Black Man are still coming down the pipeline.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:28
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eke out posted:"Qanon is actually the white working class and it's a shame Biden won't help them" is truly one of the most perverse things I've seen this contingent of shitposters ever say in this thread. who the hell suggested they were working class, I wish to laugh at them
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Sep 4, 2020 22:30
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Qanon is in no way limited to 'dumb poor whites' even if the first word is the unifying factor. It includes a huge number of (if not even most) people who are conspiracy obsessed bigots who have great material conditions The idea that people become qanon believers and/or bigots because of material conditions/economic uncertainty is not born out by anything concrete. Bigotry, conspiracy, and bigoted conspiracies transcend economic lines.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:30
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:its "Hillary Clinton is still eating babies in the basement of a pizza shop to stay young forever" The wild thing about Pizzagate is that Epstein has/had been a known quantity for decades. The Bill Clintons & Donald Trumps of the word dont rape kids in the back of a pizza parlor, they do it on private jets and private islands. Easier to shoot up a random diner than to charge an estate with private security, I suppose.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:32
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I get the whole 'conspiracy theory is the idiots version of anticapitalism' idea but afaik the Q-anon demographic is mostly boomers and there doesn't seem to be that much concern with material conditions at all.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:32
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massive spider posted:I get the whole 'conspiracy theory is the idiots version of anticapitalism' idea but afaik the Q-anon demographic is mostly boomers and there doesn't seem to be that much concern with material conditions at all. to be fair, they are very concerned about the material conditions of minorities and women, namely that these people may have better material conditions than they do, which cannot stand (and is why they support Trump)
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Sep 4, 2020 22:33
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:The thing I think people are missing though is that the conditions which lead people to believe in QAnon aren't just "I lost my job" or "I can't afford a car" - for some people (in fact many) its "Hillary Clinton is still eating babies in the basement of a pizza shop to stay young forever" or "Barack Obama's secret man wife hasn't been executed for being a secret Muslim traitor." Part of the question that QAnon answer isn't "why didn't my vote for Trump help me out personally" its "why didn't my vote for Trump also get rid of the Muslims down the street, or put that lying bitch Clinton in jail who is definitely horrible and should be dead." The ability for QAnon to attach itself to an aging boomer population and give people this weird "heroes saving the children" purpose, makes me think it's a huge symptom of a continuously growing urge by people to not want to be forgotten or feel like they are being forgotten. Like Q is loving dumb but it could be any stupid conspiracy theory that gives people purpose. To stop these things from spreading we need to look at why people feel left behind and how do we fix that? I think social media is largely responsible because it often connects people through a largely inaccurate lens. It just reinforces the guilt that you aren't doing enough with your life/other people are doing better/nobody cares about you anymore. So these things like Q give them meaning. How we fix that? Man gently caress if I know.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:33
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Fox News confirms you know the really hosed up part about all these comments? trump is absolutely right (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 4, 2020 22:34
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Mr Interweb posted:you know the really hosed up part about all these comments? Yeah all those poor draftees were suckers for getting killed and wounded, especially the disproportionately minority ones or the literally mentally challenged ones. gently caress off.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:35
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Mr Interweb posted:you know the really hosed up part about all these comments? There was a news article earlier disparaging Trump for not knowing which side was the Good Guys of WW1. Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah all those poor draftees were suckers for getting killed and wounded, especially the disproportionately minority ones. gently caress off. War Crimes As Wokeness
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Sep 4, 2020 22:36
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Neurolimal posted:The wild thing about Pizzagate is that Epstein has/had been a known quantity for decades. The Bill Clintons & Donald Trumps of the word dont rape kids in the back of a pizza parlor, they do it on private jets and private islands. that's literally the point, they spring off the actual real 'conspiracy' that's just 'yea the wealthy and powerful can just do sex crimes and poo poo and get away with it in the open' and then tack on 'so imagine what they do in private!!!!' It's not 'Q is the opiate of the poor and downtrodden' but it is 'Q is what happens when capitalism creates a society where the justice system actively supports the wealthy and powerful getting a kinder and more loose system than any one of us would get for having a loving baggie of weed'
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Sep 4, 2020 22:37
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:to be fair, they are very concerned about the material conditions of minorities and women, namely that these people may have better material conditions than they do, which cannot stand (and is why they support Trump) Theres probably a strong overlap with the 'economically anxious' but Q has always seemed to me to be more about the moral righteousness of believing you're in a holy war than anything, and that's a fantasy that's equally appealing to people with decent material conditions who are just bored with their lives. The stereotypical middle-class curtain twitcher.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:38
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Qanon is in no way limited to 'dumb poor whites' even if the first word is the unifying factor. It includes a huge number of (if not even most) people who are conspiracy obsessed bigots who have great material conditions meanwhile, in observable reality BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Judakel is hamfisting the argument a bit, but he did nail it when he said that conspiracy theories gain popularity when people are trying to make sense of a general "poo poo is hosed" feeling and are seeking answers when no simple ones are provided. That's pretty commonly accepted by people who study these things. That these people would be open to socialism per se is nonsense because there's too much programming to undo, but the more important point is that there are a lot of people who are moderate to right wing who could be susceptible to something like QAnon despite its clear insanity. It's incredibly dangerous to think it has an inherent upper limit on acceptance because it is so stupid, it could legitimately become the dominant ideology of the right. your life is bad, and getting worse. you are lonely, and angry, and afraid. everything the president does seems hopelessly compromised at best, and outright ignoring the reasons you voted for him at worst. the individual elements of QAnon were unpredictable, but the broad strokes could be drawn by anyone who was watching democrats from 2009-2012. it's okay, guys. the president has a plan. he's got this. any minute now, all the psychic energy you invested in him will have its payoff. you just have to believe. it's time for some game theory.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:38
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah all those poor draftees were suckers for getting killed and wounded, especially the disproportionately minority ones or the literally mentally challenged ones. gently caress off. Well of course they were suckers, they didn't just say they got bone spurs like my rich daddy told me to do bing bong so simple, what suckers.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:38
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sexpig by night posted:that's literally the point, they spring off the actual real 'conspiracy' that's just 'yea the wealthy and powerful can just do sex crimes and poo poo and get away with it in the open' and then tack on 'so imagine what they do in private!!!!' I think you're missing the fact that the people who are committing these atrocious crimes are largely women and minorities and that QAnon has much more to do with racial anxiety than anger at capitalism.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:39
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What a lovely start to the weekend Friendbot, I feel bad for you dude. You were talking big like yesterday about this getting through easily 
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Sep 4, 2020 22:41
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:I think you're missing the fact that the people who are committing these atrocious crimes are largely women and minorities and that QAnon has much more to do with racial anxiety than anger at capitalism. what part of "tom hanks is wearing shoes made of child skin" screams racial anxiety to you
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Sep 4, 2020 22:43
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https://twitter.com/ACLUVA/status/1301938087266840576?s=20 Every Democratic no or abstain in this list needs primarying.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:44
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:what part of "tom hanks is wearing shoes made of child skin" screams racial anxiety to you public enemies 1 through 5 for qanon are a woman, a minority woman, a jewish man, and a black man and a black woman.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:45
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SgtSteel91 posted:What a lovely start to the weekend Yeah, I had a bad feeling about it because out of the pills proposed it was the only one where there were quotes about it like "the police are very scared of this bill."
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Sep 4, 2020 22:46
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JT Jag posted:https://twitter.com/ACLUVA/status/1301938087266840576?s=20 https://twitter.com/ERTBen/status/1301947736695005184?s=20 Here's the list of those who voted No
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Sep 4, 2020 22:46
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BlueBlazer posted:Also pretty sure some folks voting no had been directly threatened in some way. why invent a conspiracy theory when the national leaders of the party are openly opposed to these kinds of measures?
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Sep 4, 2020 22:46
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BlueBlazer posted:Also pretty sure some folks voting no had been directly threatened in some way. Joe Biden just dropped $45 million to show how much he backs the badge, why do you think other democrats would do any different?
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Sep 4, 2020 22:46
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Mr Interweb posted:you know the really hosed up part about all these comments? I usually dont complain about sixers, much less ones that aren't my own, but i'm curious about why this was a bad post. Imo its factually correct: Vietnam was a stupid war, people who died for the right to shove wooden dowels through the ear drums of schoolteachers were suckers (regardless of their black/latinx composition), and McCain was a chump who deserved no respect.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:47
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SgtSteel91 posted:https://twitter.com/ERTBen/status/1301947736695005184?s=20
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Sep 4, 2020 22:48
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Trump presser started https://youtu.be/G8OQkeXWJtE Kudlow speakinf now
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Sep 4, 2020 22:48
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Neurolimal posted:I usually dont complain about sixers, much less ones that aren't my own, but i'm curious about why this was a bad post. many of the people who died (and were apparently "suckers") were drafted, so its gross to deride them for something they had no control over. trump is not talking about the war in general, he's specifically talking about those that died in the war.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:48
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1302000212957949953 Wow, what an amazing coincidence
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Sep 4, 2020 22:48
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:I think you're missing the fact that the people who are committing these atrocious crimes are largely women and minorities and that QAnon has much more to do with racial anxiety than anger at capitalism. so let's break this down a bit. How did we make the jump from 'when you have such a painfully obvious two-tiered justice system where the wealthy and powerful are allowed to have just straight up rape islands they bring their friends to, insane jumps like 'so I assume all of my enemies are secretly carving children hearts out to eat for satanic energy' can grow' to you thinking I said 'QAnon is correct and true and has no racial or antisemitic undertones'? Can you point where that happened?
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Sep 4, 2020 22:50
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Neurolimal posted:I usually dont complain about sixers, much less ones that aren't my own, but i'm curious about why this was a bad post. Because the vietnam war was largely fought by draftees who had zero say in being there and who, almost to a man, did not want to be there. If someone wants to post about the thousand valid critiques of American involvement in vietnam there are infinite, better ways of doing it than 'trump was right' I hope this clears things up.
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Sep 4, 2020 22:51
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Neurolimal posted:I usually dont complain about sixers, much less ones that aren't my own, but i'm curious about why this was a bad post. google "the draft"
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Sep 4, 2020 22:51
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Trump presser started Friday evening at the start of a holiday weekend - no one gives a gently caress.
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JT Jag posted:https://twitter.com/ACLUVA/status/1301938087266840576?s=20 Abstaining on this important issue? Beyond cowardice. They need to get primaried, hard.
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