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Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

I know this sounds like a weird problem to have, but I'm drowning in Prestige I don't know how to spend. I've maxed out all available men-at-arms regiments, I'm still working on getting all the science so I can feudalize, and I'm sitting on 6500 prestige (and some 20 titles I could make for even more prestige), and I just don't know what to spend it on. Recruit knights? I already have like 15 good ones. Are there any good prestige dumps? I've already done subjugation and kingdom conquering with this ruler.

I kinda wish a potion of your prestige counted towards the fame for your heir(s) rather than just vanishing into the ether when you die. Probably not all of it as that'd be crazy, but maybe 20% gets added to the fame score and is divided among everyone who inherits titles from you.

Davincie posted:

-tree wise military is worthless once you get past early game the thing slowing you down isn't your military strength but how much your vassals like you and how many casus belli you can get. even better then casus belli however, is just taking over nations non violently. abduct a ruler, convert him to your religion and use the offer vassalization bonus from the middle diplomacy tree to non violently absorb any nation that isn't big. the other big obstacle is that huge late game armies will likely send you into insta debt, hard to stop

-once you get big warfare is extremely tedious solely due to muster time, it takes forever, i often just declared on 5-6 nations at a time and rolled over one by one, the ai isn't quick enough at capping, and they'll likely go for the same targets too, to resist most of the time. for tedium reasons i just started accepting any non independence peasant revolt, the mustering costs me more money then the loss in control. the game desperately needs a way to just only deploy like 10k troops, i don't need all 100k for every conquest. never need that much really. world conquest is a lot easier/more fun then ck2 though. easier at times and significantly less tedious then eu4

You don't need to raise your entire army for every war, just interrupt mustering with crtl+click. My tribal empire already does this all the loving time so I don't waste a ton of gold maintaining 10k levies I won't need. Your men-at-arms will instantly raise so your best troops will always be there.

(incidentally this can be exploited to teleport your men at arms across the map by moving rally points)

Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Sep 8, 2020

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Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

What’s the deal with the numbers for your military strength? The indicator in the to right corner might say I have 8000 troops but when I muster them I only have around 7000. Then when I’m on the war screen and it shows the total troops on each side it doesn’t seem to include hired mercenaries. Makes it pretty easy to accidentally end up in a war you can’t win.

Tangentially related, is the Ally AI supposed to be horrible? I control Ireland and Scotland and was going into a war with England alongside my ally the HRE and his 20k troops, dwarfing England’s 8k, but they came over in stacks of 3k and each got shredded by England’s 8k stack. I eventually won the war anyway but it took several years longer than it needed to.

If you hover over it the tool tip shows the count includes allies. Which is silly because the rest of the numbers on the bar are your personal numbers. Plus you can't count on them.


Idgi

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Might just do a Kordofan game instead of trying for Hellenism.

ultrachrist
Sep 27, 2008
Thanks to everyone who is helping with my questions so far, it's helped a lot. Here's another: My southern neighbor is occupying one my vassal's lands. Some far-flung attackers occupied other parts of same vassal's land. He's a great spymaster but apparently an idiot land holder. What can I do about this? I was surprised foreign rulers can attack like that without notifying me or allowing me to retaliate easily. I was going to conquer my southern neighbor anyway but my king is getting old and succession is tidy right now -- more lands will gently caress it up. Is there a way I can fight on my vassal's behalf just to secure his lands?

edit: to make things weirder, I realized my vassal has also occupied some of the southern attacker's lands

ultrachrist fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 8, 2020

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
Playing as Karling and having a fun time with my two little counties, relying on my allies.

I fabricated a claim on a whole duchy which was nice. Just wondering if that can happen any time, or only if you’re fabricating in the capital?

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

ultrachrist posted:

Is there a way I can fight on my vassal's behalf just to secure his lands?

Right click on him and offer to help with his war.

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

Tetramin posted:

Playing as Karling and having a fun time with my two little counties, relying on my allies.

I fabricated a claim on a whole duchy which was nice. Just wondering if that can happen any time, or only if you’re fabricating in the capital?

Any county in the duchy, but your chaplain must have at least 8 learning I believe.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

Magil Zeal posted:



You don't need to raise your entire army for every war, just interrupt mustering with crtl+click. My tribal empire already does this all the loving time so I don't waste a ton of gold maintaining 10k levies I won't need. Your men-at-arms will instantly raise so your best troops will always be there.

(incidentally this can be exploited to teleport your men at arms across the map by moving rally points)

ah that would have been nice to known and have massively sped up the game, don't think it tells you anywhere. i did move the rally point constantly though

ultrachrist
Sep 27, 2008

Oh dear me posted:

Right click on him and offer to help with his war.

It's grayed out. Something like "High Lord Invgar is not fighting a peasant faction."

Now he's taken captive eh.

ultrachrist fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Sep 8, 2020

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Just had my child prodigy (Intelligent, Beautiful, Herculean) emperor get deposed first to a king, then to a duke due to factions after a succession, so now I'm a lowly vassal, trying to claw my way back up to the top.

It's pretty fun actually! I have to think about where to place my time in order to sway people over to my side so I can force the emperor to give me back my rightful title. Fortunately the king of Finland is my dad, so he pretty much gives unconditional support, so I always have one fairly powerful ally.

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

Davincie posted:

ah that would have been nice to known and have massively sped up the game, don't think it tells you anywhere. i did move the rally point constantly though

It's on a tooltip somewhere I believe, but yeah it's not something that's easy to notice and I only knew about it because I saw it on a post somewhere on reddit.

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




Jarvisi posted:

What other unique buildings are in the game? Egypt has the pyramids which give some pretty nice bonuses to own.

There is the Hagia Sophia, I'm sure Rome has something too, maybe the rest of the pentarchy.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Davincie posted:

ah that would have been nice to known and have massively sped up the game, don't think it tells you anywhere. i did move the rally point constantly though

You can make a ton of rally points too

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


At this point I'm convinced that Obesety is another thing to add to the bug list.

Or it's some bizzare 'working as intended' hidden genetic trait because I'm on my 3rd generation of fat fucks.

I thought it was feasting, so my new char didn't feast, by 40 she was obese. No comfort eating, no gluttony, full down the "Whole Body" learning tree...lose weight decision does absolutely nothing. From 23 on when I had control of the char I've made sure to avoid any decisions that seemed like they may lead to weight gain....no effect. She's going to drop dead from obesity at 50 like the last ruler and there appears to be nothing I can do about it.

Anyone have a clue here? At this point I'm ready to resort to console commands or game edits because this poo poo has to be broken.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Broken Cog posted:

Just had my child prodigy (Intelligent, Beautiful, Herculean) emperor get deposed first to a king, then to a duke due to factions after a succession, so now I'm a lowly vassal, trying to claw my way back up to the top.

It's pretty fun actually! I have to think about where to place my time in order to sway people over to my side so I can force the emperor to give me back my rightful title. Fortunately the king of Finland is my dad, so he pretty much gives unconditional support, so I always have one fairly powerful ally.

yeah I really recommend people never give up until you lose your last title. You'll have clean-up to do after your claw your way back, but it is so incredibly satisfying.

Then comes the cathartic revenge... for 7 upon 7 generations of your foes.

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

FileNotFound posted:

At this point I'm convinced that Obesety is another thing to add to the bug list.

Or it's some bizzare 'working as intended' hidden genetic trait because I'm on my 3rd generation of fat fucks.

I thought it was feasting, so my new char didn't feast, by 40 she was obese. No comfort eating, no gluttony, full down the "Whole Body" learning tree...lose weight decision does absolutely nothing. She's going to drop dead from obesity at 50 like the last ruler and there appears to be nothing I can do about it.

Anyone have a clue here? At this point I'm ready to resort to console commands or game edits because this poo poo has to be broken.

I've been seeing the same but I honestly am kinda okay with it in the short term because my rulers lately have been living so long for my last two generations my grandkids inherited my primary titles rather than my kids, so a health penalty to ensure they die in their sixties or seventies is sorta welcome. I think it is an issue that should be addressed but it's not one of my biggest complaints.

As far as I can tell though, the "try to lose weight" decision does absolutely nothing except increase your stress gain.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Magil Zeal posted:

As far as I can tell though, the "try to lose weight" decision does absolutely nothing except increase your stress gain.

Art imitating life

Zeron
Oct 23, 2010

Magil Zeal posted:

I've been seeing the same but I honestly am kinda okay with it in the short term because my rulers lately have been living so long for my last two generations my grandkids inherited my primary titles rather than my kids, so a health penalty to ensure they die in their sixties or seventies is sorta welcome. I think it is an issue that should be addressed but it's not one of my biggest complaints.

As far as I can tell though, the "try to lose weight" decision does absolutely nothing except increase your stress gain.


Just make Obesity a game rule so you can toggle between low-high-american.

DrPop
Aug 22, 2004


Davincie posted:

-once you get big warfare is extremely tedious solely due to muster time, it takes forever, i often just declared on 5-6 nations at a time and rolled over one by one, the ai isn't quick enough at capping, and they'll likely go for the same targets too, to resist most of the time. for tedium reasons i just started accepting any non independence peasant revolt, the mustering costs me more money then the loss in control. the game desperately needs a way to just only deploy like 10k troops, i don't need all 100k for every conquest. never need that much really. world conquest is a lot easier/more fun then ck2 though. easier at times and significantly less tedious then eu4

A few people have provided some suggestions about how to control how large your army is in the field, but you can also just click "Raise local army" at a rally point and it will raise the local vassals only + your men-at-arms. This usually gets you much more manageable armies expense-wise while still being super effective.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Is there a way to boost opinion for your heir? There's that one event where instead of working on their flaws you can get a +10 to all vassals but anything else?

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Winklebottom posted:

My spymistress poisoned herself. I admire her commitment to science.



my spymaster presented me with devastating evidence of his own infidelity, there seem to be some oversights when it comes to people doing these events to themselves

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Is there a way to boost opinion for your heir? There's that one event where instead of working on their flaws you can get a +10 to all vassals but anything else?

Make them a witch, then convert all of your vassals into witches :v:

Unfortunately I can't think of any easy way, but landing them lets them earn some prestige. If you hold off on forming a few titles until succession happens, you can instantly form them and get a bunch of fame on your heir to give them a boost in secular opinion.

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


Magil Zeal posted:

I've been seeing the same but I honestly am kinda okay with it in the short term because my rulers lately have been living so long for my last two generations my grandkids inherited my primary titles rather than my kids, so a health penalty to ensure they die in their sixties or seventies is sorta welcome. I think it is an issue that should be addressed but it's not one of my biggest complaints.

As far as I can tell though, the "try to lose weight" decision does absolutely nothing except increase your stress gain.

Yeah - problem with dropping dead in your 50s is that it's hard to reach the max ranks in piety and prestige - which are kinda important if you want to wage some massive wars or consecrate your bloodline.

Consecrating the bloodline was pretty much the goal of the last char who dropped dead from obesity and her grandaughter is trying for the same thing, and at 36 is obese and with 3800 piety. I think she'll make it to 5k before she drops dead - but I'll be salty as gently caress if not.

Plus - she looks like loving jabba and it bothers me way more than it should.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here


Nothing like a big, gay viking declaring his love for you with a poem.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

FileNotFound posted:

Consecrating the bloodline was pretty much the goal of the last char

I was heading for this as the culmination of my glorious reigns, and then as the end of history drew nigh I realized my superpious ruler was too humble to do it.

Still, it was fun to use all the piety to found a new religion, Socialism, and see it spread really fast because of my superpiety (and huge army).

guns for tits
Dec 25, 2014


So one start that has been fun is as the prince of the armenian principalities in 867. You are surrounded by counts you could quickly diplovassal and you lead a very strong independence faction against the abbasids. You need to use these advantages quickly since you are surrounded by two of the most powerful realms in the start (Byzantines and Khazars)

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Broken Cog posted:



Nothing like a big, gay viking declaring his love for you with a poem.

Games > Crusader Kings 3: Big, gay Viking love poetry

ultrachrist
Sep 27, 2008
oh my god, I had both my kingdoms going to my heir but then suddenly my heir become one of my OTHER sons, while my 2nd kingdom was still going to son 1. The reason: Some rear end in a top hat vassal decided to throw all his votes to the other son. I had no way to force his vote so I decided to kill him but then he SURVIVES A 95% ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT.

Then a minute later I am at DEATH'S DOOR.

No choice but to go down the line disinheriting sons until the vassal started voting for my heir again... sad.

note: I intend to murder him anyway for all the trouble he's caused me.

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


Oh dear me posted:

I was heading for this as the culmination of my glorious reigns, and then as the end of history drew nigh I realized my superpious ruler was too humble to do it.

Still, it was fun to use all the piety to found a new religion, Socialism, and see it spread really fast because of my superpiety (and huge army).

Religion spread is broken also in really dumb ways.

The smaller your religion is, the higher the fervor and the easier it is to spread it. So if you create a religion, it will take off rapidly until it's a major religion and then start to stagnate.

At a certain point it starts to become large enough that your fervor goes way down and conversion becomes a 20-40 year per county deal.

The fervor mechanic is another thing that seems to not work the way you expect as it punishes success and is absolutely not how religion actually works. Becoming popular should not make spreading it harder.

Zohar
Jul 14, 2013

Good kitty
I think they wanted it to be more of a negative feedback system compared to CK2 where it was easy for religions to just fall apart irreparably, so now if a religion loses ground it becomes more consolidated to make up for it, but it seems really wonky atm

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

FileNotFound posted:

Religion spread is broken also in really dumb ways.

The smaller your religion is, the higher the fervor and the easier it is to spread it. So if you create a religion, it will take off rapidly until it's a major religion and then start to stagnate.

At a certain point it starts to become large enough that your fervor goes way down and conversion becomes a 20-40 year per county deal.

The fervor mechanic is another thing that seems to not work the way you expect as it punishes success and is absolutely not how religion actually works. Becoming popular should not make spreading it harder.

Part of the problem I think is Catholicism in particular gets spammed with the sinful priest event which reduces fervor, and they have so many counties the fervor doesn't tick back up at any appreciable rate. Those should probably be toned down or scaled to the size of the faith.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation


My marshal is an insane murder machine at 57 years old, and that's with a -8 penalty. At 240% knight effectiveness this dude could just rip apart entire armies on his own.



He gets in a fight and kills almost 300 dudes all on his own.



Another one goes on a serial head-ripping spree.

It's good to be a viking.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
I was inadvertently elected Holy Roman Emperor at a time when it had no crown authority. As a result my kingdoms have lost their primogeniture rule and gone down to High partition. My primary heir is currently forecast to get the HRE and Kingdom of Frisia titles, but no counties at all. My second child will inherit the glorious Kingdom of Wales and all the lands I have treasured and developed from the start, plus my faith's papacy. I desperately want to be that second child; I don't give a drat about the empire or Frisia.

I can't destroy my primary HRE title or make my kingdoms primary. I have no intrigue ability so killing my other children is probably not a solution. I shall obviously be trying to increase crown authority asap, but the cooldowns mean I'm likely to die first.

I shall probably try destroying all my kingdom titles to see if I can at least end up with my capital county, but does anyone have any better ideas?

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


Magil Zeal posted:

Part of the problem I think is Catholicism in particular gets spammed with the sinful priest event which reduces fervor, and they have so many counties the fervor doesn't tick back up at any appreciable rate. Those should probably be toned down or scaled to the size of the faith.

Yup - that's part of the issue with a large faith - you get negative 10 fervor for one goat loving priest - and there are a lot of goat fuckers....

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012



i got the rome achievement. really fun


check out the learning stat on this guy.

he was so smart that he knew a year before he would die that he would die, and he knew that his son would struggle with all the vassals so he imprisoned literally every single duke and king in the realm in that last year of his life.

he was so beloved that even after imprisoning all his dukes, most of them still loved the guy

he also magnanimously did not restore rome to its former glory in his lifetime, despite being able to for 20 years before his death, because his he knew son would need something to make his subjects feel good about the son


rip basileus mathhaios. he ruled for 73 years

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Switch characters to the secondary heir?

yorkinshire
Apr 28, 2009

In space no one can hear your dope beats.
Found something last night while playing that made me feel kinda dumb. On the declare war screen for the "invade title" casus bellis there is a button to change the objective of the war to the exact title you want if they hold multiple.

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Zohar posted:

I think they wanted it to be more of a negative feedback system compared to CK2 where it was easy for religions to just fall apart irreparably, so now if a religion loses ground it becomes more consolidated to make up for it, but it seems really wonky atm

Yeah, I get what they were going for and I liked what they were going for because CK2's Catholicism death spiral was similarly bad just in a different way, but I guess they haven't quite nailed it yet. Agree that tweaking the impact of sinful bishops can't hurt - 10 fervor for ONE bad priest among, potentially, hundreds seems out of whack.

Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 8, 2020

Gasmask
Apr 27, 2003

And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee

yorkinshire posted:

Found something last night while playing that made me feel kinda dumb. On the declare war screen for the "invade title" casus bellis there is a button to change the objective of the war to the exact title you want if they hold multiple.

This reminds me - what happened to ‘press all claims’? Is it gated now?

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Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Gasmask posted:

This reminds me - what happened to ‘press all claims’? Is it gated now?

Yes, it's gated behind a High Medieval era innovation.

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