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Bust Rodd posted:I think we’re more looking for a “If a creature would be exiled from the battlefield, it’s controller may instead move them to the graveyard” type of thing for exile Ah, so an Adventure card hoser
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Party is going to be constructed playable if we have any cards that are good without party and amazing with it. I do hope we get something like that just so we can have a PARTY HARD deck.
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Sep 8, 2020 23:52
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Mat Cauthon posted:Aetherborn is too much value to drop, even if casting it is a pain in the Orzhov vamps deck. Seems like you'd keep Aetherborn and run this guy as a 4 of in addition. Might be retiring Adanto Vanguard in the face of Soul-Scar Mage in Historic, might be time to go monoblack.
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Sep 8, 2020 23:53
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fadam posted:Yeah, exactly. I don't see any reason you couldn't have "You can sacrifice permanents you don't control" on a card, but I also don't see any costs at which it's printable. Viscera Seer gets rid of every creature on the field at instant speed ignoring shroud/hexproof and indestructible, Zuran Orb armageddons all your opponents for free while gaining you life. There don't appear to be any generic permanent saccers for no Mana, but claws of gix becomes 1, destroy anything. Even in commander I dont think anyone wants a card that basically reads 'opponents can't have cards in play'. Could be interesting like once per turn though.
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Sep 9, 2020 00:08
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kalvanoo posted:i thought it would cost 3B and even then it was overcosted. A board wipe for tiny guys, with exile rider, that also cleans out graveyards, it'd be ridiculous. Like Skyclave Shade is kicked out from wherever it is, Grakmaw is obliterated and they don't get the backup hydra, Jace and his own clone are both out, a lot of Kicker guys are underneath the threshold, it's really versatile and strong even at 5. Uro is a broken turd, but making Shadows' Verdict broken to match will gently caress up Standard for even longer, and it'd set the precedent it's ok to print broken turds if they answer broken turds. Also too strong Shadows' Verdict means Questing Beast is even more obnoxious than before. Augh.
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Sep 9, 2020 00:10
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You could do "cards can't be exiled" if it was just a replacement effect. "If a card would be exiled from anywhere, put it on the bottom of it's owner's library instead"
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Sep 9, 2020 00:25
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Some Numbers posted:Didn't Radiant Destiny see some play? From a quick look, barely any high level play compared to Pride of Conquerors.
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Sep 9, 2020 00:30
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Bugsy posted:Wasn't that more about skymarcher was a good aggro card on its own? I dont think it even played the ascend pump spell after kaladesh rotated but could be wrong about it. It also played that 0/3 Ascend dinosaur. Ascend for sure wasn't the glue it was just an icing on the cake kind of thing if you were already ramping out Legion's Landing, Skymarcher, some tokens, the Loxodon Convoke guy, etc. Party seems like the same sort of situation - you don't build around it but if you can get it rolling in the course of your deck doing whatever your Plan A is then party is a nice Plan B to benefit from. BizarroAzrael posted:Might be retiring Adanto Vanguard in the face of Soul-Scar Mage in Historic, might be time to go monoblack. Yeah that's where I'm at with it.
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Sep 9, 2020 00:43
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I just played some test games with an aggressive Esper Party deck, and I think that resolving Coveted Prize with a full party is a fantasy. Naya Party looks a bit more promising, although unfortunately the only good Wizard in those colours (so far) is Tajuru Paragon.
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Sep 9, 2020 00:45
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Again, the party cards you're interested in are on or above rate with 2 and very strong with 3. 4 is a pipe dream most of the time.
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Sep 9, 2020 00:51
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kalvanoo posted:i thought it would cost 3B and even then it was overcosted. You're talking about the new 3BB board clear? You expected a vastly better ritual of soot to also be easier to cast or just straight up cheaper? Are you insane?
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Sep 9, 2020 00:58
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To me a lot of the time party is just going to be incidental cost reduction for some big powerful cards in your deck. Even just 2 cost reduction can be huge depending on the card after all, anything better is just gravy.
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Sep 9, 2020 00:59
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Mat Cauthon posted:Yeah that's where I'm at with it. Going back and forth since Vanguard is good against Wrath decks, and not like it wasn't already getting sided out against red. But Sorin+Gifted+this one might make it time to use Vito and possibly a cleric/lifegain subtheme in turn.
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  "Skull-Smasher Attacker" 1RR Creature - Giant Warrior Kicker 2 Trample, haste If kicked, "Skull-Smasher Attacker" enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter. At the beginning of the end phase, if it has no +1/+1 counter on it, return to hand. 4/3  "Verazol, the Divided Stream" XGU Legendary Creature - Serpent When Verazol, the Divided Stream enters the battlefield, put X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the amount of mana spent to cast it. Whenever you cast a kicked spell, you may remove two +1/+1 counters from Verazol. If you do, you may copy that spell and choose new targets for the copy. 0/0  "Makindi Throne" Land T: Add ◊. 1, T: Put a charge counter on Makindi Throne. T, remove a charge counter from Makindi Throne: Add two mana of any color. Use this mana only to cast kicker spells.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:08
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Blackbloom Rogue can be transformed into Blackbloom Bog with Moonmist. It takes a lot of poo poo to transform it back.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:08
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Oops thought I linked this one.
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Mat Cauthon posted:It also played that 0/3 Ascend dinosaur. Ascend for sure wasn't the glue it was just an icing on the cake kind of thing if you were already ramping out Legion's Landing, Skymarcher, some tokens, the Loxodon Convoke guy, etc. Yeah forgot about that little fucker. This is new right? [ 
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Sep 9, 2020 01:10
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Bugsy posted:Yeah forgot about that little fucker. Strictly inferior to omen of the sea. The art really gives me the classic magic mood. It is goofy in just the right way.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:13
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VictualSquid posted:Strictly inferior to omen of the sea. No it isnt, this being an instant is a major difference. For instance, It grows crackling drake.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:23
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mandatory lesbian posted:No it isnt, this being an instant is a major difference. For instance, It grows crackling drake. For the way standard is built now, Omen is better. And this being 2 mana makes it a non-starter in any other format.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:29
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BizarroAzrael posted:Going back and forth since Vanguard is good against Wrath decks, and not like it wasn't already getting sided out against red. But Sorin+Gifted+this one might make it time to use Vito and possibly a cleric/lifegain subtheme in turn. There are enough 1 and 2 drop vamps with lifelink to make it work for sure, including that new cleric that got spoiled and also this thing: Seems like the incidental drain effects might be enough to put vamps/clerics over the top.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:29
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GoutPatrol posted:For the way standard is built now, Omen is better. And this being 2 mana makes it a non-starter in any other format. Sure, omen is better, but not strictly better. Which is my point
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Sep 9, 2020 01:30
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Magic Underwear posted:You're talking about the new 3BB board clear? You expected a vastly better ritual of soot to also be easier to cast or just straight up cheaper? Are you insane? wrath effects should cost 4. this is worse than a wrath effect, but its nice that it hits planeswalkers. graveyard hate should always be 100% free. at 4 the card is playable, and maybe impacts this standard (though i doubt it). answers should always be cheaper than threats.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:32
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You know double-faced cards have the mana cost of the front? Emeria, Shattered Skyclave adds 3 devotion to white.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:51
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the hypothetical card you're describing would make ritual of soot, a card that saw constructed play, look like an absolute joke I know magic has been very powerful recently but printing a wildly better version of a card from 2 years ago is not a sustainable solution (Also the 'answers are better than threats' format means bringing back elixir of immortality as a win condition so let's not do that)
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Sep 9, 2020 01:53
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No, it doesn’t.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Blackbloom Rogue can be transformed into Blackbloom Bog with Moonmist. i think they've already said moonmist doesn't work like this but i couldn't find it on a brief google
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Sep 9, 2020 01:54
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kalvanoo posted:wrath effects should cost 4. this is worse than a wrath effect, but its nice that it hits planeswalkers. graveyard hate should always be 100% free. at 4 the card is playable, and maybe impacts this standard (though i doubt it). answers should always be cheaper than threats. So in your mind tormods crypt should cantrip and soot should cost 3 and hit planeswalkers. Black rarely gets any wrath effects and I think damnation is literally the only time they've gotten it at four. And graveyard hate always costs. The card would indeed be bad in the alternate universe version of mtg you have in your head but your judgement is really off when it comes to the reality version that the rest of us play. Exiling creatures and walkers and yards in one card is unique and it will probably see play as long as uro is around.
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Sep 9, 2020 01:56
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:You know double-faced cards have the mana cost of the front? Nope. Not a thing for mdfcs
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whydirt posted:No, it doesn’t. I did look at 711.4b again and I had a bad source that forgot the converted part! quote:711.4b While a double-faced permanent’s back face is up, it has only the characteristics of its back face. However, its converted mana cost is calculated using the mana cost of its front face. If a permanent is copying the back face of a double-faced card (even if the card representing that copy is itself a double-faced card), the converted mana cost of that permanent is 0. Emeria, Shattered Skyclave would have 7 cmc unless- Some Goon posted:Nope. Not a thing for mdfcs https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/zendikar-rising-mechanics-2020-09-01 posted:Most of the rules that govern how transforming double-faced cards apply to the new modal variety. Load-bearing Most from the mechanics article, but unless it's a one-off tweet from the rules manager I don't know where you'd be getting that.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:08
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This reads like one of those AI-generated cards
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Sep 9, 2020 02:11
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It would be more flavorful if you could play it from the gy by sacrificing four constructs. Like T-1000 shattering and reforming.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:11
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No goobers if it dies normally? Booooooo
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Sep 9, 2020 02:11
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Magic Underwear posted:So in your mind tormods crypt should cantrip Yes, then 12 bauble will rule the world
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Sep 9, 2020 02:13
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Bugsy posted:No goobers if it dies normally? Booooooo If it dies you can't sacrifice because it's already in the graveyard. kalvanoo posted:wrath effects should cost 4. this is worse than a wrath effect, but its nice that it hits planeswalkers. graveyard hate should always be 100% free. at 4 the card is playable, and maybe impacts this standard (though i doubt it). answers should always be cheaper than threats. This is akin to Consume the Meek which costs more than the things it kills because the point is you get the little guys but your own big boy lives.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:16
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
they just had ritual of soot in standard. It costs more than 4 because of the exile, not the three cmc limitation. Also that’s an instant
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Sep 9, 2020 02:18
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mandatory lesbian posted:Party seems like one of those mechanics that makes for really cool limited play and does literally nothing in constructed. I hope I'm wrong but like, having 4 creatures of 4 different specific types is a big ask i'm not very optimistic either, "untap with multiple creatures in play" has historically been one of the steepest costs in the game
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Sep 9, 2020 02:20
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Magic Underwear posted:So in your mind tormods crypt should cantrip and soot should cost 3 and hit planeswalkers. Black rarely gets any wrath effects and I think damnation is literally the only time they've gotten it at four. And graveyard hate always costs. an escaped uro costs 4, generates immediate value, and puts your opponent on a clock. this card costing 4 would generate no value, would be a purely reactive play, and would really only serve to make playing uro slightly risky (relying on the gy should be a risk). it would also only be a sideboard card. linear magic sucks poo poo man watching people race uros is boring garbage. crypt shouldn't cantrip obviously but its costed correctly at 0. ground seal cantrips at 2 which i think is properly costed as well. planar void costs 1, leyline is free. black gets plenty of sweepers at 4 (yahenni's expertise, languish, whatever)
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I did look at 711.4b again and I had a bad source that forgot the converted part! Maro
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