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blue squares posted:Ok, awesome. I spotted a couple there that could work, but second guessed everything and kept starting over The (borderline cheaty way) to win wars through subterfuge (you'll need a pretty good intrigue score and most of the schemer tree) 1: fabricate claim (ideally a duchy at least, this isn't worth doing just for a county usually) 2: fabricate a hook on someone close to the ruler, either their spouse or spymaster 3: once the hook is fabricated begin a kidnap plot and force-add the person you fabricated a hook on through the hook as an agent, if spouse/spymaster it should shoot up to 95% success 4: just before it completes, declare war - don't bother to call up your levies 5: let the kidnap fire and succeed. 6: your victim is now in your prison and has a 100% chance of surrendering ending the war immediately (the same as if you captured them during a battle) Repeat until you own everything. Originally posted here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/ikvvyb/gamebreaking_ck3_exploit_to_win_any_war_without/ This will probably get patched out shortly since it's pretty obviously abusing the kidnap mechanics to avoid war entirely, but it's how people are reuniting the Roman Empire already and stuff of that nature. The INTENDED way to win claims peacefully is through being so powerful the target will submit to vassalization peacefully. Haven't figured out how to do that without the AI just offering out of the blue on their own. Lum_ fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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Sep 9, 2020 06:55
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Satanist could but there were some pretty hard limits
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Lum_ posted:The INTENDED way to win claims peacefully is through being so powerful the target will submit to vassalization peacefully. Haven't figured out how to do that without the AI just offering out of the blue on their own. High Diplomacy (for opinion), a big army, the True Ruler perk on the middle Diplomacy tree, and being their De Jure liege is usually enough for me to get a vassalization train rolling in 867. You get a little more than half of a kingdom, create the title, and that's enough for the other 6-12 counties/duchies to fall in line. Sometimes you'll end up irritatingly close at like -2 or something but at that point you should probably be snowballing pretty hard and poofing 4000 levies into some pissant duchy is going to end things pretty quickly when you don't have to worry about their neighbors sniffing blood.
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De Jure liege and same religion are probably the biggest modifiers to Offer Vassalization I think? If a kingdom of pagans just spawned in the middle of western europe no one is going to be running over and swearing fealty unfortunately.
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Eej posted:De Jure liege and same religion are probably the biggest modifiers to Offer Vassalization I think? If a kingdom of pagans just spawned in the middle of western europe no one is going to be running over and swearing fealty unfortunately. With the above you can get around both religion and culture but they have to really like you. Being terrified of you also adds a pretty big number (+20 I think?).
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Chewbot posted:I don't know how common this is, but it's a record for me:
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So the Fylkir of my organized Norse religion turned out to be an atheist. This fuckin' game man
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So does losing a crusade just take your whole realm and give you an automatic game over in all cases? I lost a crusade for England and it took all my titles and ended the game, even though I had tons of land outside of the kingdom of England.
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Playing as King of Ireland and currently through marriage and some precision knifing my heir stands to inherit some counties currently part of Kingdom of England. How is that going to manifest? Will those counties be carved out and become part of Kingdom of Ireland or am i going to become vassal of England when playing my heir?
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Do buildings that give a realm bonus work if you control them via vassal instead of being part of your demesne? EDIT: Also, anyone knows how fast does the Offensive War malus decay, and whether there is a perk or council task somewhere that makes it decay faster?
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Stokes posted:I've survived the African Thunderdome well enough to create my first Duchy. Started as Kono. Now I have to figure out how to get rid of my Imbecile newborn grandson. Married my son to a woman with Quick so of course their first offspring is a dud. Playing in Africa is a race to get big enough to take on Ghana. You can buy yourself time by doing some intrigue to destablise them or tring to intermarry with them. NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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Gesadt posted:Playing as King of Ireland and currently through marriage and some precision knifing my heir stands to inherit some counties currently part of Kingdom of England. How is that going to manifest? Will those counties be carved out and become part of Kingdom of Ireland or am i going to become vassal of England when playing my heir? They will go over to Ireland, but they'll still belong to England de jure, so England can declare war for them.
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Ugh I tried the Adopt Feudal Ways Decision and I went from +20 gold/mo to -2  It's not just all the buildings getting destroyed, it's also that resetting to level 2 feudal authority from level 4 tribal authority does a number on my vassal taxes and levies, which is where all my power lies (my personal domain is whatever)Is the payoff really worth it? Since I hold an empire title, as long as I can maintain all these vassals it should stay intact because Confederate Partition would only screw me over if I acquired the land for a second empire title? Maybe I'll wait until then
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Speaking of feudalizing, I was all set to get there, had over 6000 gold saved up in the bank and everything. Then the pope started a crusade against me. Then I died in the crusade, and the vote for who gets what had flipped a month earlier for no apparent reason. Then my successor immediately gets hit with a liberty faction. I had to surrender the liberty war, but I managed to mop it all up in the end and just need to reclaim a few more counties to have the land I lost from the liberty war back again. Sadly, the stupid crusade drained all that money I had saved up for feudalizing so I guess we're doing it the hard way now. On the upside, I got a shitload of prestige from winning the crusade, but it honestly doesn't seem like it's enough even at #1 contribution. It's kind of weird that it caps at 20% contribution for crusades, I'm pretty sure I was the only ruler that did anything at all in this fight. CharlieFoxtrot posted:Is the payoff really worth it? Since I hold an empire title, as long as I can maintain all these vassals it should stay intact because Confederate Partition would only screw me over if I acquired the land for a second empire title? Maybe I'll wait until then I mean, once everyone else is feudal you're going to be left in the dust if you don't. There is no path to getting better advancements or holdings if you don't, so it's just a matter of time before everyone else has 30 development holdings and out-earning you in every way passively, destroying you in wars with better tech, etc.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Ugh I tried the Adopt Feudal Ways Decision and I went from +20 gold/mo to -2 The smaller you are when you convert the better. You can spec into the income lifestyle tree to make money wile you build up your infrastructure. e. you can't get past Tribal tech unless you move to Feudal or Clan so you'll eventually be outpaced in income and men at arms if you don't convert
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I wanted to make me 6th or 7th child my primary heir. I set all my previous children as knights/champions and sent them into a battle. Most of them died in one battle or were imprisoned and quickly died in prison. That instantly gave me a lot of stress. Firstborn remained, I was really old and really loved by my vassals, so I just imprisoned and executed her (I had some reason for imprisonment, but I was also forgiving... oops, level 3 stress). Then I realized that my current heir is my grand-grandson and firstborn's grandson and of different dynasty. I killed that child, then her parent or maybe her cousin, who knows and then I gave up. I just wish I understood succession more before I did all of this, lol.
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Sep 9, 2020 09:06
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Man, the middle learning tree is so nice for an early feudal start. You don't have access to the tribal conquest Casus Belli claims, but you can just keep on buying claims with piety.
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I see  I have 2000 gold right now and if I disbanded one of my MAA I could get revenue neutral. Building just two things in my capital county eats up half of that on its own though lol
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Fat Samurai posted:Do buildings that give a realm bonus work if you control them via vassal instead of being part of your demesne? I tried to figure out the first question myself and I settled on sometimes. It's somewhat hard to check cause all the counters just mention 'from domain' but some learning bonuses for example didn't appear but some other renown bonuses did appear, perhaps cause those affect the whole dynasty and they were owned by family. To be sure I made all the best special buildings I found part of my domain Offensive war is like, 1.25 point per month when not at war, don't know any perks
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It takes so long to go from threatening and tribal to threatening and feudal again. Even with 20,000g stacked up before I converted and 100 years I'm still down 5k levies as Wendish Emperor and only making about 50% more gold income-wise. Plus my men-at-arms were better as Tribal since it was so easy to stack prestige - I'm forced to use weaker ones as newly feudal just to have more gold to buy building upgrades. The worst part is many of my vassals haven't built a single holding in 100 years outside of the free castle that converting got them. Many of those castles didn't have a single upgraded building, even on king-level vassals. I hope they implement tribal improvements carrying over like they did in CK2, or maybe much stronger men-at-arms when feudal. Frida Call Me fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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North Korea mode is back and more game breaking than ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCcZq8WxWJs, perhaps doing this will net enough pietry for Hellenism?
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Without watching it, when he mentions invincible men at arms in the intro, does he mean stacking building bonuses? Because I'm 90% sure that's gonna get a nerf pretty soon. Edit: Oh lol, the revoke exploit is still around, I remember that from way back in CK2. Edit2: Ngl, that looks like an absolutely miserable way to play the game, but I guess that is the nature of exploit runs. Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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Christ, I just had 3 holy wars declared on me in a row and if it wasn't for my Rus-Viking ally I'd have been swamped. What's the play here, when you're surrounded by enemies? Just getting as many levy buildings and fort levels up ASAP? I want to go quality troops but there's just too much heat coming at me every few years.
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Strobe posted:High Diplomacy (for opinion), a big army, the True Ruler perk on the middle Diplomacy tree, and being their De Jure liege is usually enough for me to get a vassalization train rolling in 867. You get a little more than half of a kingdom, create the title, and that's enough for the other 6-12 counties/duchies to fall in line. Sometimes you'll end up irritatingly close at like -2 or something but at that point you should probably be snowballing pretty hard and poofing 4000 levies into some pissant duchy is going to end things pretty quickly when you don't have to worry about their neighbors sniffing blood. True Ruler is super helpful. I just formed the Empire of Guinea last night but that part of Africa has so many different culture and religions, I was struggling to get my de jure vassals to accept vassalisation. Even with bribery and swaying, I was only just getting them over the agreement number.
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Tetramin posted:I mainly try to put all my upgrades in the county of my realm capital. Should I just kind of keep doing that? Is there a point where it’s a good idea to start building up my other (personally held) counties, maybe when I can set succession laws where I’m not likely to lose the counties on death? Yes and yes. Roughly, Partition: capital only High partition, capital first, spare change on other counties in your capital county Primogeniture: Capital first, then capital county, spare change on other counties.
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Here's one I can't explain. My Italia ruler dies and play passes to my heir. I try to educate my new ruler's heir, only to find out she's alone up in some bumfuck county in Bavaria. I can't interact with her since she's in someone else's court, I can't invite her back since she's a minor. How the hell did she get there and how do I get her back to educate her?
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TheJanitor posted:North Korea mode is back and more game breaking than ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCcZq8WxWJs, perhaps doing this will net enough pietry for Hellenism? I'm most impressed that he only started to notice lag at 1500+ direct holdings
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Man the Religious Icon requirement for taking the Chakravrati decision is rough. I had all the territory but simply couldn't amass enough piety to reach the max level before my ruler died (he might have lived longer but he got obese late in life). My next ruler had to deal with a huge independence revolt but I had enough cash on hand to hire mercs since I knew poo poo was going to hit the fan when she took over. The one advantage of having such a massive territory is that revolts have a hard time getting all their troops together so I can pick them off in smaller groups. She is way too old to have any chance of realistically hitting Religious Icon in her lifetime though - it seems like you really need to take over young to be able to start collecting enough piety since you kind of have to take the "steward of the sacred river" decision. There's no crusades or anything that will give you a huge piety windfall like catholics get. I suppose I could always create a spinoff religion and swap out one of the tenets for human sacrifice. I'm already worshipping Kali so hey it's not much of a stretch.
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Broken Cog posted:Without watching it, when he mentions invincible men at arms in the intro, does he mean stacking building bonuses? Because I'm 90% sure that's gonna get a nerf pretty soon. Yes. And speaking of 90%, that's the maximum reduction you get from going over your domain limit, which is why this strategy works when you just own hundreds to thousands of counties yourself.
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TheJanitor posted:North Korea mode is back and more game breaking than ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCcZq8WxWJs, perhaps doing this will net enough pietry for Hellenism? Hah, and people thought I was crazy when I suggested that this would work.
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YorexTheMad posted:Here's one I can't explain. I've just lost an ironman game because of this happening. My heir's heir was the concubine of a guy in Lappland. No idea why she was. And when she returned to me she STILL was his concubine - and it didn't tell me that, I only worked it out because of an event about him sneaking out of bed. It meant I couldn't get any heirs, so when she died I lost. I really don't get why she'd gone to that court, how she got to that court. All I can think is that her mum ran there and took her along? But the game really shouldn't let your heirs gently caress off to other courts because it happens waaay too much. I guess it's possible they get captured in raids then get made a concubine? But it's very unfair that there's fuckall you can do about it, even when your queen is a concubine! Taear fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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TheJanitor posted:North Korea mode is back and more game breaking than ever: , perhaps doing this will net enough pietry for Hellenism?
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Also, for that exploit video, the point where he says you should be before trying it is basically the point where you've already won the game, so it feels like a very tedious victory lap. Edit: man, the AI still can't handle equal inheritance for poo poo. You better be prepared for half of all land you give out to relatives to leave your dynasty, because the AI has never heard of matrilineal marriages before. They will set up regular marriages with random schmucks for their main heir if they're a woman. Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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TheJanitor posted:North Korea mode is back and more game breaking than ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCcZq8WxWJs, perhaps doing this will net enough pietry for Hellenism? I'm going to restore the Roman Empire with this once I finish my African run.
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I don't know if this game is for me. I like Civilization games but those are the only strategy games I've played. I spend the entire time being confused about what I should really be doing. I tried King Leon in Spain and things just make so little sense to me. Maybe I should do the tutorial again. At the beginning things seem to move too slowly, so I speed up a bit, then things move too fast. I know I sound like an idiot but I guess I'm just frustrated by everyone having so much fun and me struggling still.
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I decided it would be funny to turn to Witchcraft as a stress option for my king, which apparently added as a secret to him. I just discovered I can try to turn my friend into a witch too, but nobody else as far as I can tell. Do I turn Ireland to the Horned God? Is this a secret religion or something? I couldn't find anything about the witchcraft modifier anywhere in the game, though I may just be dense.
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blue squares posted:I don't know if this game is for me. I like Civilization games but those are the only strategy games I've played. I spend the entire time being confused about what I should really be doing. I tried King Leon in Spain and things just make so little sense to me. Maybe I should do the tutorial again. At the beginning things seem to move too slowly, so I speed up a bit, then things move too fast. I know I sound like an idiot but I guess I'm just frustrated by everyone having so much fun and me struggling still. Don't sweat it. CK2, and now CK3 are kind of infamous for having a ton of mechanics that can be overwhelming to newer players, it's just something you have to get used to over time. I'd honestly say it's good to lose a bit here and there as well, since you usually learn more that way. I can recommend trying out playing as a vassal for a larger realm for a while. It will let you get some experience on dealing with your fellow "friendly" vassals, and can let you get some experience with the diplomacy and intrigue while your liege can take care of external threats. Wilekat posted:I decided it would be funny to turn to Witchcraft as a stress option for my king, which apparently added as a secret to him. I just discovered I can try to turn my friend into a witch too, but nobody else as far as I can tell. There should be a scheme for turning people to witchcraft, though I dunno if I could use it on everyone because I had allowed it when I reformed religion. In any case, it lets you do some party tricks basically, and also lets people blackmail you about it if it's illegal.
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Wilekat posted:I decided it would be funny to turn to Witchcraft as a stress option for my king, which apparently added as a secret to him. I just discovered I can try to turn my friend into a witch too, but nobody else as far as I can tell. if you get enough people in your family with it you can give the dynasty a permanent modifier with a small health boost and some other stuff. not sure if every religion/culture can do this though
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Any idea what's going on here? I spent a lot of gold getting this woman back into my court as she has a pressed claim on every county in Wales. Why is the game letting me select the Declare War option only to then say I can't actually use any claims?
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