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Yeah, Knights are super important. At base, a Knight does 10times the damage a single leve would, per point of prowess. And it's easy to get 2-300% Knight damage from traits.
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Just played around, idk, 15 hours in my first game as Ireland (still haven't made it to feudal, which I hear is a nightmare!). So far it's fun, and I enjoy the new flavor events + lifestyles and the dynasty and tech tree stuff, but I'm not convinced it's any better than CK2 yet. I like the stress feature, still learning how to handle that. Some big changes I noticed are that besieging a province takes a lot less time since you don't have to work on every single goddamn puny holding, which is nice, and wars are a lot less disruptive, which makes sense since there was constant warfare. Also way fewer revolts! But then again I'm still tribal. Do you still get big opinion penalties form vassals if you raise their levies for a long time? It's kind-of odd that all the soldiers just appear together in a big lump rather than clearly differentiating from vassal and demesne forces. I got so used to the layer of complexity added by the council and wrestling with big vassals that this all seems a lot simpler, to be honest. The big challenge is much more about succession, since getting to primogeniture seems to be a huge pain in the rear end. In my game, norse Sweden got way too big and powerful, even though I assassinated one or two kings! I redirected a crusade against Sweden and they just started tossing around these huge stacks until the game decided they were suddenly no-longer a valid target. I'm starting to think that that all these religious changes are overpowered. As an Irish Christian, (I think) you can wage holy wars against other kinds of Christians, and if you create your own religion (which is pretty easy to do toward the end of any long-lived character's life) you can basically holy war anyone. Forging a claim is really simple, and I haven't felt the need to do any of the fun long-term planning and claimant poaching that was such a staple of CK2.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:14
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Delthalaz posted:Do you still get big opinion penalties form vassals if you raise their levies for a long time? It's kind-of odd that all the soldiers just appear together in a big lump rather than clearly differentiating from vassal and demesne forces. I've seen vassals get a negative modifier of me with Offensive War as the reason, so I think that's the new vassal levy penatly.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:16
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Holy poo poo Shy is debilatating. You get stress for Swaying people and Feasts don't bring down stress, it's terrible
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Sep 10, 2020 20:16
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Delthalaz posted:Do you still get big opinion penalties form vassals if you raise their levies for a long time? It's kind-of odd that all the soldiers just appear together in a big lump rather than clearly differentiating from vassal and demesne forces. Seems to be replaced by an "offensive war" opinion penalty. e:f;b
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Sep 10, 2020 20:16
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Piell posted:Holy poo poo Shy is debilatating. You get stress for Swaying people and Feasts don't bring down stress, it's terrible Yeah, and even recruiting Knights causes stress. Shy is the worst. Most other traits I'll deal with but I'll do anything in my power to make Shy inheritors disappear.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:17
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Piell posted:Holy poo poo Shy is debilatating. You get stress for Swaying people and Feasts don't bring down stress, it's terrible Yeah I avoid Shy like the plague. I will eat 50+ stress just to avoid it being inflicted on a potential heir also, about Stress : If an event will make you exceed the stress cap and have a mental break, remember you can open up the decisions before unpausing and immediately start a Feast or Hunt to go back under the threshold - it'll avoid the mental break entirely
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Sep 10, 2020 20:18
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Is there a secret Dread modifier anyway? Because often I have 0 and there are a handful of people literally terrified of me. I figure it might be tied with realm power or dynasty renown?
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Sep 10, 2020 20:19
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By the way, I've found that some of the old CK2 hotkeys are still in the game, even if they're not mentioned in the UI. "g" still merges armies for example, and if you're zoomed out in one of the realm selection maps, you can hold ctrl and left click on a realm to break it down by direct vassals, and the continue ctrl clicking those to go further down. ctrl right click does the reverse
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Sep 10, 2020 20:21
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Jeza posted:Is there a secret Dread modifier anyway? Because often I have 0 and there are a handful of people literally terrified of me. I figure it might be tied with realm power or dynasty renown? Cowardly people are always terrified of you. I think content triggers intimidated as well.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:22
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Yeah, Knights are super important. At base, a Knight does 10times the damage a single leve would, per point of prowess. And it's easy to get 2-300% Knight damage from traits. How does the combat math work, anyway? So this means that a 10 prowess knight is equivalent to 100 levies on the battlefield? Or are there other factors
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Sep 10, 2020 20:25
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Fintilgin posted:I'm kinda thinking for my 'remake ancient Egypt' run I should reform kordofan and then just take some feudal land and move my capital, rather then trying to go the slow and expensive way? I did it with the Coptic kingdom with the Wad el-Milk. Got my children raised by Kushites who converted them, then conquered the other Holy Sites and reformed the religion with my heir. Now to convert my vassals and expand.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:26
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Piell posted:Holy poo poo Shy is debilatating. You get stress for Swaying people and Feasts don't bring down stress, it's terrible Yeah it's legit one of the worst traits in the game compared to the boring stat modifier it was before.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:28
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Anyone know how to reduce the numbers of vassals? I just conquered France in a holy war, and now got 73/60 vassals. which gives me -65% income & men.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:30
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Descar posted:Anyone know how to reduce the numbers of vassals? Make dukes, transfer the counts in their duchys to them. If you're empire level, consider making vassal kingdoms.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:31
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I'm 50 years old, with 6 sons and 2 daughters, 3 kingdom-titles. Succession will be hell. For the rest of my life I will wage war with my sons on the front-lines, until I either have an emperor-title, or only one son left.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:35
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Honestly, your realm splitting into separate kingdoms isn't the worst, since you get claims on your brothers highest title, and also more kings means more renown.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:38
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Is there an easy way to get a demesne map? I miss being able to click a button and easily see on the map which territories are directly mine and which aren't. I also miss the diplomacy map showing me exactly who I'm at war with/allied with.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:40
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With shy I think each action should give less stress just because so much of the game relies on this and it's debilitating in a way no other trait is. Like at least the other annoying stress traits like Ambitious or Paranoid offer strong upsides.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:42
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PerOlus posted:I'm 50 years old, with 6 sons and 2 daughters, 3 kingdom-titles. Succession will be hell. Look at is this way - either you'll be at war for the rest of your life in this life... or the next. :V
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Sep 10, 2020 20:43
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Broken Cog posted:Honestly, your realm splitting into separate kingdoms isn't the worst, since you get claims on your brothers highest title, and also more kings means more renown. Yup - letting them split off and grow as separate kingdoms isn't so bad really. I've intentionally spun off my family members and independent kingdoms.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:43
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I finally got to Feudal as a reformed Vidilist Lithuania today, it's 1039. God it loving sucks swapping over. You're suddenly insanely poor (because your men at arms no longer use prestige) and you lose all your buildings. I've gone from 30k troops to about 4k. Which I can't afford to keep actually mustered because it costs a loving fortune - and I don't make any money because I've only got one county since I'm still confederate partition since I need a tech and loving high crown authority to swap it. God why make it such a huge, huge, huge arse? It's ENOUGH of an arse without it absolutely loving me over as well!
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Sep 10, 2020 20:46
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Hot take: this game owns. It will obviously take a few DLC to match the breadth of CK2, but drat if this isn't a great foundation for that. The only change I really don't like is making baronies/temples/cities separate provinces on the map. It makes micromanaging army movements (my least favorite part of the game) into a much bigger pain in the rear end. Just fold them back into counties like in CK2 (but make it so you only need to siege down the castles for control).
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Sep 10, 2020 20:48
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I must suck horribly at this game because I keep getting my rear end kicked by invading Brittany with Haesteinn even though he has a super army. Is there anything not obvious about the combat?
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Sep 10, 2020 20:51
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Deltasquid posted:You can indeed just use your spymaster to look for secrets. This will let you blackmail people for hooks. Incidentally doing this because is insanely lucrative. I periodically send my spymaster to Constantinople and have him dig up dirt on everybody, and use the perk that lets you trade hooks for gold to pull thousands out of the empire. Maybe it'll be less of a cash grab if they ever reduce the rates at which the AI tries to sleep with and/or murder everyone they can see, but for now it's free money. Super useful for my conversion to feudalism, apparently I'm going to have to build up all these towns and temples myself. Broken Cog posted:Feudalizing doesn't give you a free city and temple in open slots here? It did in CK2. It does not. Literally all it does is take away all the tribal buildings, and replace each converting tribal holding with an non-upgraded castle. As far as I can tell my vassals aren't upgrading them either; not sure if they're too broke, or if they're trying to hoard money to hire mercs and kill each other. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:57
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I hear most of Iceland is Christian in 867 a full 133 years before they actually converted. I'm writing a harshly worded letter to Paradox as we speak, in fúþark runes, on a wooden pole, topped with a horses head.Magil Zeal posted:They (with some other visigoths) get a unique cultural innovation which allows them to set equal gender laws at any crown authority. Cool. Though the wording makes it sounds like Basques are visigoths.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:58
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The served human flesh event...but it was delicious...
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Sep 10, 2020 21:16
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Man I'm working right now but I am also constantly distracted thinking about my triple bind of only having 2500 gold pre-feudalizing , my vassals feudalizing on their own, and the potential for the Byzantines to Crusade against me ticking up by the month lol Yea I have no idea how much I had when I swapped but I know by the time the dust had settled I was down to -900. Lovely. I've effectively gone from one of the largest world powers to one of the weakest ones!
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Sep 10, 2020 21:19
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Jeza posted:The served human flesh event...but it was delicious... Apparnetly there's an event where you can burn down a feast and everyone in it. Just go full Red Wedding.
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The burn down your own feast event is GREAT. I am Also grinding out achievements. the Almost There one is stupidly easy. Start out (make sure ironman is on) Raise one level 5 unit of onagers and wait for them to reinforce. Pop decision, invade bulgaria and just siege your way into pannonia smashing the weak rear end bulgarian army apart when they show up. Win the war and use the loot from sieging to get piety and convert. Took me 15 minutes.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:42
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I have de jure claims on ten counties held by the damnible Swedes that are rightfully part of the Wendish Empire. I have the Divine Right innovation which supposedly lets me assert multiple claims in a war. But the declare war screen will only declare for one county at a time. Am I missing something here or is the Divine Right innovation bugged/limited in an undocumented way?
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FreudianSlippers posted:Do Basques still get gender equality? Magil Zeal posted:They (with some other visigoths) get a unique cultural innovation which allows them to set equal gender laws at any crown authority. lurksion fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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How are everyone's Genghis Khan experiences so far? He just declared war on me with 21,000 troops at his command, which is three times what I have, so I'm hoping that he's doing that to a lot of people at once and I won't actually see 21,000 soldiers showing up at my borders all at once.
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:How are everyone's Genghis Khan experiences so far? He just declared war on me with 21,000 troops at his command, which is three times what I have, so I'm hoping that he's doing that to a lot of people at once and I won't actually see 21,000 soldiers showing up at my borders all at once. I haven't seen him yet in my second game, in my first he just kinda fizzled out I think. Never really made an empire.
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Magil Zeal posted:I haven't seen him yet in my second game, in my first he just kinda fizzled out I think. Never really made an empire. That's good. I should add that I'm in Tibet, so if he does start expanding I'll probably find out about it pretty fast.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Man I'm working right now but I am also constantly distracted thinking about my triple bind of only having 2500 gold pre-feudalizing , my vassals feudalizing on their own, and the potential for the Byzantines to Crusade against me ticking up by the month lol I'm not ultra sure why your vassals feudalizing on their own is a problem. In my experience this only made them weaker. And I don't think the Byzantines can call crusades, unless they've mass converted to some heresy.
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It’s begun. 
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Just tried feudalizing as Norse, wasn't that bad, honestly. Went from around +44 gold per month to +11 gold, but that was to be expected. My stewardship centered leader and 12k gold stored let me build money buildings and some cities in every major county for all my main vassals. Now to sit back for a couple of years until I've recovered a bit, but all in all, could've been worse.
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Anno posted:It’s begun. wow, i can almost be the endless witch beatrice...
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