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BrotherJayne
Nov 28, 2019

ooo, or chico sticks

Coconuts, diabetus, AND peanut butter!

Just gotta find some that were manufactured in this decade and you're good to go

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moist turtleneck
Jul 17, 2003

Represent.



Dinosaur Gum
sugar babies are a very underappreciated candy

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



Bust Rodd posted:

Stormfront has been a Nazi phrase for basically as long as Nazis have had iconography. Ennis had this poo poo pegged 10-15 years ago.

I don’t understand why so many people are like “drat that was really unintentionally funny or smart coming from a room of high payed genre savvy Hollywood writers!”

The website itself was established in 1996, was the subject of a widely watched documentary in 2000, and regularly reported on in the early 2000s for various controversies. Seems like it's not beyond the pale for Ennis to have heard of it and used the name.


Looking at this gif Maeve isn't really selling being terrified IMO. Maybe she assumes that HL isn't going to just belt her one in a TV studio or she's just so inured to his threats that she's over doing the performance for him but whatever subtlety they were going for isn't really showing up.

boo_radley posted:

I'm pretty sure the backstory is Homelander once again going rogue, kidnapping him to Vought Acres and threatening to murder him if he declines

What was to stop him from shapeshifting and just walking off in between HL's visits?

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012

PostNouveau posted:

All Starlight's candy choices really were completely garbage candy.

That's low key the saddest thing she's ever revealed. Her mom was so goddamn restrictive she thinks dunken doughnuts and bit-o-honey are good. It's like that one friend who thinks you're a world class chef because he grew up eating Kraft mac and cheese and dinosaur nuggets.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

thrawn527 posted:

"Alright, so you gonna make yourself look like Stillwell. And offer me milk. But in a sexy way. Like a sexy mommy."
"...with you so far."

Honestly, this is pretty ground floor for the kinds of requests sex workers get. Hell, an earlier scene in the season had someone getting paid to let a guy chop his arm off with a machete.

I also didn't get any vibe that Doppelganger was kidnapped/threatened into doing it. Based on his 5 minutes of collective screentime, it seemed like he just was really into pleasing people and being whatever they wanted (for money, probably).

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

everybody relax, i'm here
Nap Ghost
i love fat kids

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Mat Cauthon posted:

Looking at this gif Maeve isn't really selling being terrified IMO. Maybe she assumes that HL isn't going to just belt her one in a TV studio or she's just so inured to his threats that she's over doing the performance for him but whatever subtlety they were going for isn't really showing up.

I feel Maeve's whole personality up to this point, other than brief bits with Starlight, is "over it to the point of just not caring about anything at all anymore". Even her own wellbeing really.

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

everybody relax, i'm here
Nap Ghost

Avasculous posted:

Honestly, this is pretty ground floor for the kinds of requests sex workers get. Hell, an earlier scene in the season had someone getting paid to let a guy chop his arm off with a machete.

I also didn't get any vibe that Doppelganger was kidnapped/threatened into doing it. Based on his 5 minutes of collective screentime, it seemed like he just was really into pleasing people and being whatever they wanted (for money, probably).

Anytime Homelander 'asks' someone to do something the threat is implicit -- other supes know this better than most -- doppleganger couldn't refuse his request regardless if he wanted to or not

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Azhais posted:

I feel Maeve's whole personality up to this point, other than brief bits with Starlight, is "over it to the point of just not caring about anything at all anymore". Even her own wellbeing really.

Comics Maeve spends all day every day getting blasted on martinis and occasionally boning her manservant out of boredom.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this

double negative posted:

homelander encounters mother's milk and is overcome with conflicting emotions

I'm imagining at one point he'll be captured or singled out by the seven. Someone goes into the conference room and says "We've got Mother's Milk!" And he gets excited until he sees the picture come up on the screen.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

veni veni veni posted:

This show rules but it is so mean spirited it's hard to watch sometimes.

Yeah that's Garth Ennis works in a nutshell. And this is edited.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah that's Garth Ennis works in a nutshell. And this is edited.

Yeah, there's no way we're going to get a "Herogasm" in this show.

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah that's Garth Ennis works in a nutshell. And this is edited.

Crossed is by far the worst offender on this front. Just purely pornographic violence that doesn't even attempt to say anything.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Crossed is by far the worst offender on this front. Just purely pornographic violence that doesn't even attempt to say anything.

Yeah I couldn't do Crossed. Preacher and Boys at least there's some interesting payoffs and story, but he definitely goes too far pretty often even then.

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


The show said more with A-Train being told they don't have any room for the second-fastest man than Ennis normally says in thousands of pages of smashed brains and pictures of dicks.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah I couldn't do Crossed. Preacher and Boys at least there's some interesting payoffs and story, but he definitely goes too far pretty often even then.

Even Rover Red Charlie went from "huh, interesting" to "oh, *gently caress you*, Ennis" by the last two issues.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Yo this episode owned

Confederate Homelander cape mural was awesome

Also I feel like they should have included a scene with a police scanner or actually showed the robbery, because with the missing scene it just felt like Liberty was killing a dude for being black?

Watching that scene I actually thought she was drunk, swaying a bunch. I wouldn't be surprised if she got loaded and found the first black person to murder.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club




Thank you MT! Wow... like, it's SO gently caress ING good.

Bell_ posted:

Same, but also this re: black licorice.

But then, most people I run into make me feel like I'm the only one on the planet who likes the taste of black licorice.

Ummm I take it you never been to like, I think Norway or is it Sweden? They loving LOVE licorice there. Licorice everything.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jpabgx/salty-licorice-is-beloved-by-swedes-and-reviled-by-everyone-else

Yestermoment
Jul 27, 2007

I just want to know if Vogelbaum will ever show up again. I love me some Dr. Rawls.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Yeah, there's no way we're going to get a "Herogasm" in this show.

The creator actually at least wants to something like it for season 3, or at least he did in 2019.

https://www.cbr.com/the-boys-herogasm-season-3/

If it's only going to be a single episode though, sounds like it might be alot more toned down then the comics, where it was like it's own mini-arc spanning multiple issues.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Defiance Industries posted:

The show said more with A-Train being told they don't have any room for the second-fastest man than Ennis normally says in thousands of pages of smashed brains and pictures of dicks.

I looked up a couple of things like MM's name at one point and got the feeling I was reading fan fiction cranked out by a teenage virgin trying to be as edgy as possible.

"And then in issue 7 the hero Sharkrape (who rapes sharks to death) punches Maeve in the tits which makes milk shoot out and he drinks it and maeve is into it because she's a slut and starlight is like omg we should stop him and the other heroes laugh and rape her."

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
&



Beef Stew posted:

I wonder how awkward that conversation between Homelander and Doppleganger to set that arrangement up must have gone. I feel a little guilty just asking my friends to help me move.
It was heavily implied Doppleganger's role in Vought is to do hosed up sex stuff. That probably wasn't even the top 5 weirdest things he ever did.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Thanks, I needed to read those words for some reason tonight because I wasn't already primed by "Homelander isn't that bad when you really think about it" guy.

Bell_
Sep 3, 2006

Tiny Baltimore
A billion light years away
A goon's posting the same thing
But he's already turned to dust
And the shitpost we read
Is a billion light-years old
A ghost just like the rest of us

Vintersorg posted:

Thank you MT! Wow... like, it's SO gently caress ING good.


Ummm I take it you never been to like, I think Norway or is it Sweden? They loving LOVE licorice there. Licorice everything.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jpabgx/salty-licorice-is-beloved-by-swedes-and-reviled-by-everyone-else
Hopefully I find an opportunity to visit.

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




Thundercracker posted:

Watching that scene I actually thought she was drunk, swaying a bunch. I wouldn't be surprised if she got loaded and found the first black person to murder.

That's what I thought too, she seemed to be swaying a bit but I could be wrong.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

e:I'll just spoiler this just in case. Homelander-Doppelganger conversation:

I also got the impression Doppelganger had been kidnapped / coerced by Homelander into sex slavery. Doppelganger was legit terrified when he was "hurting so much he couldn't keep it up" and still forced himself back into being mommy. And in the last scene it seemed to me like he was flailing wildly, trying to figure out what it was Homelander wanted this time since mommy was making him upset that time around. Playing into Homelander's narcissism wasn't a bad bet per se, but unfortunately he had to inadvertently poke at the specific thing Stormfront had needled Homelander with, and welp.

As to what about Doppelganger escaping, I can't remember if it has been explicitly stated in the show or not, but even in this episode they referenced Starlight being "chipped" for Voight monitoring purposes; if I were running a supe company, the shape-shifter I would chip thrice because god drat. And as to how Homelander would get access to this information, well, we've seen what happens when Black Noir just shows up and stands next to a normie nerd with access to information :v:

Obviously this is neither here or there, unless Doppelganger's death continues to be a plot point going forward, and there's been some good speculation in this thread on how that could come to be!

Rappaport fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Sep 12, 2020

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



Bell_ posted:

Hopefully I find an opportunity to visit.

You can order salmiak off of Amazon - there's some Haribo ones that are like $5. Just note that when they say "salt" licorice, it's not table salt - it's ammonium chloride, which is extremely overwhelming for most people. I like em but there are double-salt versions out there that I have a hard time believing anyone actually eats except as some sadistic hazing ritual.

The Last Call
Sep 9, 2011

Rehabilitating sinner
About Stormfront, is she a racist piece of poo poo? Definitely. Based in Portland, which has quite the history with racist. Named Stormfront which is a term alt right racist love to use and is a site for them, the place they kinda flocked to before that?

Liberty.

Ever notice her ear rings? Thunderbolts, sure. Flip them around though and they kinda look SS like. Oh and her belt. If you haven't taken a look at it....yeah take a look and you'll notice a rather familiar eagle symbol the nazi's loved to use.

To put it bluntly, she's worse than worse.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Keltar posted:

About Stormfront, is she a racist piece of poo poo? Definitely. Based in Portland, which has quite the history with racist. Named Stormfront which is a term alt right racist love to use and is a site for them, the place they kinda flocked to before that?

Liberty.

Ever notice her ear rings? Thunderbolts, sure. Flip them around though and they kinda look SS like. Oh and her belt. If you haven't taken a look at it....yeah take a look and you'll notice a rather familiar eagle symbol the nazi's loved to use.

To put it bluntly, she's worse than worse.

Yeah I think this problem has already been solved.

Old Kentucky Shark
May 25, 2012

If you think you're gonna get sympathy from the shark, well then, you won't.


Man, lots of people in this thread are bad at watching television.

I'm wondering if The Deep plotline isn't leading up to a situation like one of endings that happened in the comics:

In the comics, Stillwell is a man who does not die, but rides out all the various problems and massacres at Vought and, in the end, throws his female assistant under the political bus just like Stan Edgar did to the show's Stillwell. he ends up explaining to Hughie that unlike superheroes, corporations can never really be killed, just mildly inconvenienced. In the last scene he's being shown The Pure, the new superhero team that will replace the deceased Seven, only to discover that it's made up of losers, rejects, and The Deep; so many superheroes died that the bottom of the barrel is all Vought has left. Stillwell has a nauseous reaction, declaring "Bad product!" and walking away.

Basically, I'm wondering if the ultimate season-ending humiliation for Homelander doesn't end up being the fact that he's forced to take The Deep back after the Seven gets fractured by his and Stormfront's actions.

Baudolino
Apr 1, 2010

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Was HL really being truthful when he said he no longer needs people to love him? You don`t break the habit of a lifetime by a one time epihany, at least it`s very rare.

I must confess i really love the Deep as a character, he`s not yet lost all dignity so its still fun to see him step into one rake after another. If he is to be at least partially redeemed it could be by intervening to tip the odds against stormfront in the final confrontation, at the cost of his life. It would`nt wipe clean the slate but it would mean he had at last internalized that he did a bad thing and needed to be better. That`s something at least.

His little speech to Starligth was perfect too , basically a longer version of " I can change baby, take me back". Is there any other phrase spoken more often by abusers irl? Worked often enough for my dad on my mom that`s for sure.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this

Avasculous posted:

I looked up a couple of things like MM's name at one point and got the feeling I was reading fan fiction cranked out by a teenage virgin trying to be as edgy as possible.

"And then in issue 7 the hero Sharkrape (who rapes sharks to death) punches Maeve in the tits which makes milk shoot out and he drinks it and maeve is into it because she's a slut and starlight is like omg we should stop him and the other heroes laugh and rape her."

Every time I look into anything Garth Ennis has written that's what it sounds like. I can't tell if Ennis is a 13 year old that snuck his stuff into a comic editor's "approved" stack or someone editing a wiki page to sound as juvenile as possible. Apparently in the comics someone is snorting Maeve's vaginal secretions as a drug.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Old Kentucky Shark posted:

Basically, I'm wondering if the ultimate season-ending humiliation for Homelander doesn't end up being the fact that he's forced to take The Deep back after the Seven gets fractured by his and Stormfront's actions.

I hope it's something like that. In the final episode The Deep finally rejoins The Seven, only they are publically disgraced / on the verge of being disbanded anyways due to casualties or whatever. But he's still there on stage, smiling and grinning like an idiot.

Or he helps to bring them down by being a moron himself.

I do hope his plot ties into the main plot eventually otherwise it would have been pretty pointless. Amusing, but pointless.

Grizzled Patriarch
Mar 27, 2014

These dentures won't stop me from tearing out jugulars in Thunderdome.



As Nero Danced posted:

Every time I look into anything Garth Ennis has written that's what it sounds like. I can't tell if Ennis is a 13 year old that snuck his stuff into a comic editor's "approved" stack or someone editing a wiki page to sound as juvenile as possible. Apparently in the comics someone is snorting Maeve's vaginal secretions as a drug.

That's like one of the tamest things that happens, too.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Preacher is good, it gets really weird and dark but I don’t really think it ever hits the lows of any of his other works

HppyCmpr
May 8, 2011

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

Man, lots of people in this thread are bad at watching television.

This a common theme across every TVIV thread I've been in; I've just learned to accept it.

Thought people questioning the whole Stormfront thing still surprised me. :shrug:

Old Kentucky Shark
May 25, 2012

If you think you're gonna get sympathy from the shark, well then, you won't.


Preacher is definitely the better read; the weird sex stuff is still there, and still prominent -- somebody fucks an armadillo by issue, like, six -- but all of the other bad impulses are much tamer, and the story highs are a lot higher. War in the Sun is one of the best comics of the 90's, and Jesse Custer, whatever else he is, ain't no Billy Butcher.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money
So I've got some dumb predictions:

Black Noire saw Butcher escaping the compound in that footage. This might give him cause to check out where the gently caress that was, why there's a compound in the middle of nowhere and why Butcher was there, leading him to discover Homelander's kid and who his mother is.

Between that information and how Homelander's been treating literally every other member of the Seven this could be good cause to form a rift between them all because they now know that the entire reason why Butcher's crew has been trying to kill them (and actually did manage to kill one of them) is because homelander raped a woman and kept a secret child. That's also horrible PR and given that every single member of the seven except The Deep and the new guy now seem to have good cause to want to take Vought, Homelander and The Seven down? They might go public.

I think Butcher on the other hand is going to go completely scorched earth on Vought now that his wife rejected him because of his casual willingness to kill a child for having super powers. This will eventually lead to an episode of flashbacks telling us who the hell Butcher is, who lamplighter was and what happened with Mallory's grand kids before season one started.

And I suspect Black Noire is, at some point, going to be unmasked. His actor's black IIRC and it'd be interesting if the character was black, rather than them casting a different face for him. Especially since everyone, like Homelander, seems to love him but not know a thing about him and given that Homelander is just on a pretty solid trajectory into unabashed bigotry a change in how he treats Noire might drive a further wedge there.

I think this season is mostly setting up for next season, personally, where poo poo's going to go down, hard. But who knows, they've done a lot with this season in four episodes so they could do a lot with the remaining four.

Merrill Grinch
May 21, 2001

infuriated by investments

Bust Rodd posted:

Preacher is good, it gets really weird and dark but I don’t really think it ever hits the lows of any of his other works

Preacher has more than its share of really awful edgelord stuff, it's just that everybody forgets about the awful pointless poo poo because the basic story and main characters were pretty fun.

Wasn't there like a 4 page spread of TC catching fish to gut and gently caress? And the whole Herr Starr becoming an anal rape fetishist that dragged on for the back third of the series...ugh. Don't reread Preacher in 2020; just enjoy the rose-colored glasses for what they are. And never, ever, ever read Crossed.

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Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Yeah I mean this in earnest but I would absolutely recommend someone watch the very good show before they read the comic, even if I’m looking at all 9 books and the Steve Dillon cover painting collection on my shelf right now

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