Baudolino posted:

Was HL really being truthful when he said he no longer needs people to love him? You don`t break the habit of a lifetime by a one time epihany, at least it`s very rare.

Baudolino posted:

Was HL really being truthful when he said he no longer needs people to love him? You don`t break the habit of a lifetime by a one time epihany, at least it`s very rare.

I must confess i really love the Deep as a character, he`s not yet lost all dignity so its still fun to see him step into one rake after another. If he is to be at least partially redeemed it could be by intervening to tip the odds against stormfront in the final confrontation, at the cost of his life. It would`nt wipe clean the slate but it would mean he had at last internalized that he did a bad thing and needed to be better. That`s something at least.

His little speech to Starligth was perfect too , basically a longer version of " I can change baby, take me back". Is there any other phrase spoken more often by abusers irl? Worked often enough for my dad on my mom that`s for sure.

HppyCmpr posted:

This a common theme across every TVIV thread I've been in; I've just learned to accept it.

Thought people questioning the whole Stormfront thing still surprised me.

Baudolino posted:

His little speech to Starligth was perfect too , basically a longer version of " I can change baby, take me back". Is there any other phrase spoken more often by abusers irl? Worked often enough for my dad on my mom that`s for sure.

thrawn527 posted:

Also, what is with this season and Billy Joel? Was he all over season 1 too and I just forgot?

Mat Cauthon posted:

Looking at this gif Maeve isn't really selling being terrified IMO. Maybe she assumes that HL isn't going to just belt her one in a TV studio or she's just so inured to his threats that she's over doing the performance for him but whatever subtlety they were going for isn't really showing up.

How Wonderful! posted:

Maybe a silly question, but is there some kind of site that indexes peoples' outfits on shows? I loved the tech woman's bug shirt and I would wear it.

veni veni veni posted:

Was the new ep just uploaded early? It says every Friday but I watched episode 4 yesterday evening.

Supreme Allah posted:

Episode 4 -- jesus

Homelanders the most looney tune crazy character I've seen in so long, I can't remember a comparison

Hughmoris posted:

Homelander brings a crazy amount of tension to every scene he is in (and some he isn't). His weight in a scene reminds me a lot of Tuco in Breaking Bad.

Mooktastical posted:

So Stormfrontis definitely Liberty. This show isn't trying to beat some prediction on Reddit ala Westworld, but laying a coherent groundwork for a hopefully satisfying payoff. I haven't seen all of Supernatural, but I like what I did see. Kripke knows how to tell a story properly.


She says 'God knows I did'. Also RE this scene: It sounded to me like she pronounced the last 'd' in 'did' with a slight German accent, almost like she was saying 'didt'. I went back after the ep ended and listened again, and I can't shake it. Anyone else notice the same thing on first viewing?

That Italian Guy posted:

But really, tell us again how Stormfront is not coded as a racist.

How Wonderful! posted:

Maybe a silly question, but is there some kind of site that indexes peoples' outfits on shows? I loved the tech woman's bug shirt and I would wear it.

That Italian Guy posted:

But really, tell us again how Stormfront is not coded as a racist.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Rabid creatures can't help themselves. Homelander is a sentient being who chooses to inflict himself on people because he believes he's a god. Vought ideally wanted him controllable, so I doubt they inculcated that in him, they just went Full Montessori on him because no one in their right mind wanted to get near a superpowered kid/teenager with no moral compass.

ZZZorcerer posted:

"I love him squirm and throwing tantrums as Stormfront puts him in his place" is the cherry on top (of the turd)

Is doom patrol still running? I injoyed a few eps but stopped watching for no reason

veni veni veni posted:

Was the new ep just uploaded early? It says every Friday but I watched episode 4 yesterday evening.

Kwatz posted:

Apologies, but what does “evil qua evil” mean?

Dr. Abysmal posted:

Apparently Hughie mentioned Billy Joel to Robin in season 1 before she was killed. I think maybe they got a good deal on the licensing fee for his catalog.

Starks posted:

That’s a lot of letters and words drat

Elephant Ambush posted:

Elephant Ambush posted:

*pages of niggling nitpick too numerous to even hope to begin to address*

Elephant Ambush posted:

that said, this show is great
Oh and Take 5 is the best candy bar.

unlimited shrimp posted:

like "evil as such"

Homelander is just "evil", no further explanation needed

idk i read Waiting for Godot once and it was a word there

Kwatz posted:

Thank you! I’m too burned out from work to figure anything out.

Nuebot posted:

I'm kind of surprised that the one thing no one really talks about is the way Butcher just "gently caress you, got mine"'d out on the rest of The Boys and did so deliberately when the only one around was MM, who wouldn't try beating his rear end for it.

Nuebot posted:

I'm kind of surprised that the one thing no one really talks about is the way Butcher just "gently caress you, got mine"'d out on the rest of The Boys and did so deliberately when the only one around was MM, who wouldn't try beating his rear end for it.

Nuebot posted:

I'm kind of surprised that the one thing no one really talks about is the way Butcher just "gently caress you, got mine"'d out on the rest of The Boys and did so deliberately when the only one around was MM, who wouldn't try beating his rear end for it.

unlimited shrimp posted:

I just chalked it up to sloppy writing because it was so amicable.

unlimited shrimp posted:

I just chalked it up to sloppy writing because it was so amicable.

BrotherJayne posted:

Well, he legit got what he didn't know he wanted, in a roundabout fashion.

Like, if your cell leader was there to avenge his wife's death, and finds out she is alive, you really gonna fault him for outing?

Elephant Ambush posted:

I don't understand what was going on with Kimiko and Kenji either. Until she finds him, he's apparently all she thinks about and he's the only thing she has left and he means the world to her. Then after he declares that he wants to fight back against the 7 and America in general I have no idea why she would want to try to keep him from doing that or at least leaving The Boys to go with him and try to work on convincing him to change his mind. Frenchie was nice to her and all but she should be loyal to her brother first and foremost. It's not like him fighting imperialist fascists is something she should be against. Maybe she just wanted to stop fighting in general and just go home to hang out but at this point there really isn't any going back and it's weird that she chose to basically betray the person she cares about the most and turn him into the CIA where he will absolutely be tortured.

BrotherJayne posted:

But if that's what those words mean (evil qal evil or whatever), they're dumb.

People do poo poo for reasons. Not always, or even often, for good reasons, or known reasons, but yeah.

Elephant Ambush posted:

This happens sometimes. I remember my wife and I waiting desperately for Good Omens to go live and it ended up being available several hours early. Do they use midnight GMT or something?


OK so I read most of this thread but not all of it and here I am just finishing S2E4 and here are random thoughts. This will be long deal with it.

First of all I agree with everyone about all the amazing performances in this show. The casting and acting is just awesome. I also love the direction and cinematography. Most importantly, as others have said, this show is REALLY uncomfortable to watch most of the time. The gore doesn't bother me but there's always this dread that anyone can just suddenly die any second and they do it just often enough that it keeps me on edge whenever I'm watching. I've never watched a show that made me feel that way before. Mad props to the showrunners for pulling this off.

I also love all the little details they put in the background and in the costumes and sets. Some of this stuff I noticed myself and other bits I picked up itt. I really should go back and watch everything all over again to see what else I may have missed. The people making this show really give a poo poo about the quality of all the minutiae and I love it.

I was really hoping that Ryan wouldn't have the same super powers HL has. I know we saw glowing eyes at the end of S1 but it was really stupid for HL to assume that Ryan was literally a clone and had all the same powers. Maybe he has laser eyes but that's all? I was kind of hoping that they would somehow show the extent of Ryan's powers and he'd be way less powerful than HL thought and HL would get disappointed and disown Ryan or something.

I'm glad Becca called out Butcher for his blanket anti-supe bullshit and while it's sad, it's also showing how hosed up Butcher is that he wants his wife to give up her kid and share the same supe hate that he does. Now he has literally nothing left and he's either going to go in even harder on HL or he's going to find a way to try to kill Ryan and make it look like an accident so Becca will take him back. I also find it interesting that in the same episode where Butcher loses the only thing he clings to for comfort, so does HL. HL goes total narcissist and now everyone including Edgar should be scared shitless because now nobody holds and sway over him at all. If HL is being totally honest then there is nothing that anyone can give him that he can't give himself. He is absolutely going to start killing a ton of people including Vought executives and not care at all because he doesn't want the money and status and fame anymore.

I thought it was kinda lovely that the reason HL didn't kill Butcher is because of Becca threatening to kill herself in front of Ryan and tell him it was HL's fault. I really like the idea of HL being a sadist who wants to emotionally torture Butcher much better. I mean it's cool character building for Becca and I appreciate that but I prefer she didn't have to do that.

I still don't understand Starlight and Hughie. They have never sat down and explained anything to each other. Hughie lied to and used Starlight more than once, almost getting her killed, Butcher also shoots her in the chest with a .50cal and Hughie runs off with Butcher instead of staying with Starlight and trying to help her? And she still somehow forgives him? None of that makes any sense.

Speaking of bad communication, The Boys seem to never talk to each other. Ever. I can't count how many times I've yelled at my screen "Hey maybe you should have had a conversation about this already!" Then Butcher shows up out of nowhere and declares everyone follow whatever harebrained bullshit scheme he has and nobody ever refuses to go anywhere until Butcher explains himself. They've all been hosed over so many times that none of them should ever trust him until he comes clean with all the details first. They are all stupid as gently caress to continue to follow him. Their revenge isn't worth suffering through his abuse and guessing games.

I also don't understand anything between A-Train and Starlight. A-Train absolutely could have killed her at any point if he wanted to and I can't see what Starlight could have done about it. Her threats about "I'll bring you down with me" shouldn't have resonated with him at all and if anyone can explain it to me I'd love to be set straight.

I don't understand what was going on with Kimiko and Kenji either. Until she finds him, he's apparently all she thinks about and he's the only thing she has left and he means the world to her. Then after he declares that he wants to fight back against the 7 and America in general I have no idea why she would want to try to keep him from doing that or at least leaving The Boys to go with him and try to work on convincing him to change his mind. Frenchie was nice to her and all but she should be loyal to her brother first and foremost. It's not like him fighting imperialist fascists is something she should be against. Maybe she just wanted to stop fighting in general and just go home to hang out but at this point there really isn't any going back and it's weird that she chose to basically betray the person she cares about the most and turn him into the CIA where he will absolutely be tortured.

I'm with everyone who's already over The Deep being just a joke segment every episode. If he's going to get a redemption arc let's get it going. It doesn't have to be a fast one and I'm cool with it being 2 steps forward 1 step back all over the place but the Scientology angle is really lovely and I loathe the cult leader woman and I hate that the Deep isn't just telling them all to gently caress off. If he's not going to get a redemption arc then I'd prefer that he just go full-on eco-terrorist and have the 7 kill him than continue with what they're doing. I don't even find any of it funny. It's just sad and pathetic. The only time I laughed at any of his Ohio exile nonsense is when he was pushing the grocery cart and all it had in there were Doritos and kids cereals and soda and other junk food. That was hilarious.

This is going to be super nerdy but it really bothers me that we haven't seen more supes fighting each other and that we haven't really seen what anyone is truly capable of with their powers. I know the writers probably want to reveal this stuff slowly but I really want to know who can beat who or at least have a guess. Especially Maeve vs. Homelander. She's afraid of him but she's also one of the only people to stand up to him. I'm not sure she could take him down one on one but I want to know how much help she might need to do it. I really think HL can't truly be killed by conventional means so they'll have to find a way to subdue and imprison him somehow although I have no idea how you'd do that and it would probably involve a ton of trial and error and costs dozens of supe lives.

With Stormfront I really hope they explain what happened in the last 50 years because that's a huge history gap between being Liberty and being Stormfront and there is no way that Vought doesn't know about all that. I see why they hired her from a capitalistic perspective but not from the obviously hilariously racist angle.

It's weird to me that nobody on the show has mentioned a Homelander failsafe yet. Clearly the showrunners read the comics and even if the Black Noir angle isn't the way they want to go they have to have written down something because there is no way Vought didn't think of that. There's no way. I know you can't reveal something like that too soon because it takes away from the terror HL strikes in people but I really hope it's not something that Vought is only just now thinking of. From an ultra-greedy capitalist perspective there is no way they would leave that huge risk open.


My one stupid fan theory: Butcher will find out that he's a supe, but a low power one. His super power will be Silver Tongue or something like it. Not mind control but an amplified ability to persuade people by talking. Not only would that completely ruin him as a supe-hater but it would also explain how all of his awful speeches actually convince anyone to listen to him. I thought the Spice Girls speech was funny just like everyone else but if I were Frenchie or MM I would've just walked away because are you loving kidding me. I would love it if it turns out that people didn't follow him because they shared a common goal but because he can just convince people to do so by talking to them for long enough.


Nitpicky poo poo but gently caress it I hate stuff like this:

There is literally no way The Deep got from Ohio to NY in the span of like an hour or two, even if he found the fastest sea creatures to take him through the Great Lakes as fast as possible. I know there are things in this show where you're not supposed to ask questions but that was just dumb. They could've done better.

How the hell did HL hear Becca's conversation with the medical facility doctor? I tried to think of anything plausible given his super senses and whatever but there's just no way unless he somehow had everything everywhere bugged, including Becca herself. Dumb.

The 7 having tracking chips in them has been in my mind since they first mentioned it in S1 and they only ever talk about it or care about it in cherry picked situations. It's not consistent at all and there have been a bunch of times when Vought could have gone to get someone or called them or sent someone to check on them. If there's a way to jam the signal that's fine but nobody ever mentions it. That really annoying to me. It's also completely ridiculous that certain people are shown explicitly using burner phones to dodge tracking and yet apparently the 7 have personal phones that aren't tapped/bugged by Vought? There is no way in hell they would allow that.

The security in this compound where Becca and Ryan live really sucks. Butcher climbed over the wall, a security camera saw him, and yet he was able to go to Becca's house, break into her car (with another camera right nearby) and sit there and wait for her, and nothing happened. No guards came. Nobody did anything. I know they needed to have Butcher and Becca reunite briefly but they could have done that with a little more Solid Snake Butcher and less of him just being magical Butcher and doing whatever with nobody noticing.

There is no way Butcher managed to sneak a .50cal rifle into a public park to shoot Starlight, even under that big coat. Just lmfao at that stupid poo poo and there's no way they got away from that clean either but oh well.


All that said, this show is great and I love it flaws and all. I'll be watching it until the end or until it jumps the shark.

Oh and Take 5 is the best candy bar.