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It really is disturbing how quickly people will join a conservative culture war led by Ted Cruz and Michael Cernovich.
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I've learned that it is impossible to get anyone defending the movie to actually watch a clip of the movie. Nobody will watch that clip you posted. They don't want to lose the ability to assign motive to their interlocutor. It is important to them that this remain a political issue and not a universal issue about child exploitation. Edit. pospysyl posted:It really is disturbing how quickly people will join a conservative culture war led by Ted Cruz and Michael Cernovich. See? The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 04:20
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Why would I comment on a one minute clip taken out of context? Would I say that Little Miss Sunshine sexually exploited Abigail Breslin because she does a strip routine at the climax? Of course not, but if you edited the video to remove the scandalized looks and the rest of the family joining in, I'd be pretty shocked!
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Sep 13, 2020 04:24
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pospysyl posted:Why would I comment on a one minute clip taken out of context? Would I say that Little Miss Sunshine sexually exploited Abigail Breslin because she does a strip routine at the climax? Of course not, but if you edited the video to remove the scandalized looks and the rest of the family joining in, I'd be pretty shocked! Watch the clip.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:26
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The Human Crouton posted:Watch the clip. Watch the movie.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:27
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I did! That's why I mentioned Little Miss Sunshine, because that's what it instantly reminded me of. Now you can watch the rest of the movie and let me know that there's no content in the movie that contextualizes this moment as sad or ridiculous.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:28
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The Human Crouton posted:I've learned that it is impossible to get anyone defending the movie to actually watch a clip of the movie. The majority of people in this thread defending the movie have watched the movie.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:28
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I still don't get what's wrong with the movie Joker
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Sep 13, 2020 04:30
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pospysyl posted:I did! That's why I mentioned Little Miss Sunshune, because that's what it instantly reminded me of. Now you can watch the rest of the movie and let me know that there's no content in the movie that contextualizes this moment as sad or ridiculous. The context in reality is that those are 11 year old actresses. I don't know why you think why turning on a camera changes any of that.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:32
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Terminal autist posted:I haven't watched the movie but I don't think any context makes this ok.(please ignore the source I'm sure shes a chud) I didn't watch the movie and the source of it is a chud acting in bad faith, but I'm definitely in the right here.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:32
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The Human Crouton posted:I've learned that it is impossible to get anyone defending the movie to actually watch a clip of the movie. Nobody will watch that clip you posted. They don't want to lose the ability to assign motive to their interlocutor. It is important to them that this remain a political issue and not a universal issue about child exploitation. 30 seconds of a 120 minute movie is not how you make any sort of determination. And yes, I watched the clip. It's disturbing, yes, but mostly in a way that reflects the modern hip hop that young girls consume. It's shot with a male gaze but...coldly and matter of fact. Ironically, the scene seems to share the same cultural viewpoint of the daily caller writer hyperventilating over it. The Human Crouton posted:The context in reality is that those are 11 year old actresses. I don't know why you think why turning on a camera changes any of that. so movies should never depict taboo or evil things with young actors? is that the real issue at stake? that's a legit argument, but I guess I don't see this particular scene as being especially inappropriate in context. Famethrowa fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 04:33
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Inspector Hound posted:I still don't get what's wrong with the movie Joker A bunch of people riled themselves silly with a conspiracy about a movie that they haven't seen, believing it to be too dangerous for anyone to see lest they are lured to perform evil and heinous acts by the movie.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:33
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Inspector Hound posted:I still don't get what's wrong with the movie Joker The news was hype af for a theater to get shot up
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Sep 13, 2020 04:34
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nate fisher posted:The Binge (movie) on Hulu is the typical teenage one night party movie with a twist (it is spoofing the purge), and it is exactly the stupid comedy movie I needed to watch while people argue about Cuties. If you like teenage party movies check it out. I also watched and enjoyed this movie rather than invest myself in the Cutie War of 2020.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:35
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I've been the guy yelling at people for taking poo poo out of context and not watching the movie before like I get it, I'm probably being a dumb rear end hole. I've done the research and I'm not tone deaf I understand critiquing the lived experience of a queer poc women as a white dude really makes me come off as an rear end in a top hat but again any other subject matter and this doesn't happen. I think the uncomfortable connection no one wants to make is Larry Clark and Kids. In no way am I suggesting she is a predator or people who watch the movie are pedophiles but they're still sexually exploiting children by filming those scenes. I think she just made an incredibly unfortunate movie and regardless of the intention she still is doing what the movie is supposed to be against.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:39
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The Human Crouton posted:Watch the clip. i did watch the clip. i also went and found the scene from the movie to compare, since i don't trust these fuckers and i suspected something's up. as it turns out, yeah, it's manipulatively edited to cut out the reaction shots of the parents looking loving horrified by what they're witnessing. the only person going  at it is a guy who looks like a stereotypical goonlord, and his reaction and the dance critics just kind of dispassionately watching it are played for horror; you are absolutely not supposed to think that what you are witnessing is, in any way, shape or form, good, and the movie ain't overly subtle about it.you've been lied to. full stop. even regarding the actors, if you actually look up a goddamn thing about the production of the movie, you'll see that the director did her due diligence to make sure both the kids and their parents understood everything that was happening, and involved the kids' parents heavily in the production so they could personally make sure nothing went past their comfort level. nobody was manipulated, nobody was exploited; in the spectrum of Kid Actor Fuckery, this seems almost impossibly ethical compared to, say, John Landis' track record with Vietnamese kids, or Natalie Portman being in Leon. and yet I don't see you getting outraged about John Landis, or Luc Besson. not a word said about Roman Polanski, who actually did rape a child, or Victor Salva, who did so on the set of one of his goddamn movies. I see you latching onto a loving QAnon campaign to ruin a Senegalese director's life, because she had the gall to make a movie about how being a young immigrant girl makes you susceptible to a lot of hosed up poo poo, and the kind of hosed up poo poo she wanted to sound the alarm about made good kindling for their trash fire. actually giving a gently caress about children's safety and welfare makes it pretty goddamn exhausting when people pretend to in order to push culture-war bullshit.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:41
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Terminal autist posted:I haven't watched the movie but I don't think any context makes this ok.(please ignore the source I'm sure shes a chud) you actually super don't get to say both 'you did a pedophilia' and also 'now I'm not saying we should 'cancel' this movie or anything' because that just reveals you don't actually believe the weird moral panic you're trying to do. Like, if you thought this movie was literal pedophilia you'd be agreeing with the Q crowd that we need to investigate Netflix, because they'd be a major company that just casually put child porn on the platform. It's not, though, and you know that, because you have two functioning braincells and can realize a movie where the emotional climax is a young girl breaking down in tears out of disgust about the culture she was participating in and embracing a more appropriate outlook on things isn't actually 'a pedophilia'.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:43
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Famethrowa posted:30 seconds of a 120 minute movie is not how you make any sort of determination. Is it appropriate to use the actual bodies of actual 11 year old girls to make that point? Does the message of the director outweigh the fact that these girls do not have the proper frame of mind to fully know and consent to what they are doing here? I am not arguing the point of the movie. This isn't a movie issue. This is real life exploitation that happens to use a movie as its delivery method.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:43
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Terminal autist posted:I've been the guy yelling at people for taking poo poo out of context and not watching the movie before like I get it, I'm probably being a dumb rear end hole. I've done the research and I'm not tone deaf I understand critiquing the lived experience of a queer poc women as a white dude really makes me come off as an rear end in a top hat but again any other subject matter and this doesn't happen. Just watch the drat movie first and come back with your opinions. If they're the same no one's going to knock you for it.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:43
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:i did watch the clip. i also went and found the scene from the movie to compare, since i don't trust these fuckers and i suspected something's up. Shots of a negative crowd reaction does not change that the movie uses actual preteens to perform sexy dances. 11 year olds don't have enough understanding of the world to consent to this. Having their lovely parents sign off on this just makes it even worse. Not everyone who objects to this is pushing a culture war. It's lunacy to think that's the case. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 13, 2020 04:49
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The Human Crouton posted:Shots of a negative crowd reaction does not change that the movie uses actual preteens to perform sexy dances. If your crusade is 'children shouldn't be allowed to do dance shows' you have way bigger dragons to fight than this my dude.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:52
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like, just to hammer home the point, i'm actually ordinarily pretty sensitive to this poo poo. i bumbled across a movie called Wild Beasts, on Shudder, and checked it out because the description sounded batshit amazing (early 80s Italian horror about PCP-addled zoo animals rampaging through Berlin) roughly half of that movie by volume is extremely creepy leering shots of scantily-clad preteen girls. there is no reasonable artistic purpose for this; it's a movie about loving rampaging zoo animals and the preteen girls have almost jack poo poo to do with the plot at all. on top of this, because it was a low-rent Italian horror movie, it doesn't exactly take a brain genius to realize the behind-the-scenes situation was most likely beyond hosed up. my reaction was to send Shudder a message going "hey what the gently caress this movie is basically softcore CP," and... i don't remember offhand if i just straight up didn't get a response or if i got one i was not pleased with, but either way, i was not happy with how they handled it and i immediately unsubbed. i have not given Shudder a dime since. Cuties is... so blatantly not the same thing as this, if you pay even the slightest amount of attention, that this is a stupid loving conversation to even be having. e: The Human Crouton posted:Not everyone who objects to this is pushing a culture war. It's lunacy to think that's the case. what's your opinion on Tom Hanks? did he actually get COVID, or was it all just a cover for Trump having him executed for harvesting mole-children's brains for sweet adrenochrome?
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Sep 13, 2020 04:53
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The movie's already made, it's available. You can either watch it or not. This doesn't look like my cup of tea, but sometimes it's better to let controversial films be. What I'm worried about is this being used an excuse to justify suppressing other films. First one that comes to mind is Celine Sciamma's Tomboy, which features a 10 year old at the central character. Was that film being exploitive? I thought it was a brilliant film, but I did acknowledge that it went places that may be tough considering the ages depicted.
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Sep 13, 2020 04:58
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I honestly don't even 100% disagree with 'even consenting kids probably shouldn't be actors, just like, in general' if that's your stance but to turn this into some big 'I don't care that none of the kids had an issue with this because the context was made clear, this thirty second clip is proof the movie is child porn' is straight up Q poo poo, yes.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:01
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:like, just to hammer home the point, i'm actually ordinarily pretty sensitive to this poo poo. i bumbled across a movie called Wild Beasts, on Shudder, and checked it out because the description sounded batshit amazing (early 80s Italian horror about PCP-addled zoo animals rampaging through Berlin) Ok. That's good to know and I agree with you from what you described of Wild Beasts. But now imagine that exact same scenario except some politicians and twitter people also happened to have the same feelings on Wild Beasts at the same time as you. Would it be fair to ascribe your opinion and actions to you being a participant in a political culture battle just because your opinions aligned at the same time?
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Sep 13, 2020 05:04
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The Human Crouton posted:Ok. That's good to know and I agree with you from what you described of Wild Beasts. his point, I'm pretty sure, was the difference is in that the children are 100% gratuitous and only really there for a very specific reason, while Cuties' entire loving point is based around kids and sexualization. So yes, if the situation was entirely different, reactions would be different.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:07
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The Human Crouton posted:Ok. That's good to know and I agree with you from what you described of Wild Beasts. if every single person i could find complaining about it was on a horrifying and awful side of a political culture battle, with me checking multiple boxes on the "people they want to exterminate" list, and actively using their complaining about it as a weapon to make their side look more legitimate, i'd probably keep my mouth shut just for the sake of not giving those fuckers any help. e: sexpig by night posted:his point, I'm pretty sure, was the difference is in that the children are 100% gratuitous and only really there for a very specific reason, while Cuties' entire loving point is based around kids and sexualization. So yes, if the situation was entirely different, reactions would be different. also yeah, this WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 05:08
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I'm gonna drop it after this post and I probably will end up watching the movie just so I'm not an ignorant rear end but my main issue is pretty much children can't really consent and the content makes me really uncomfortable but I guess thats the point. I just don't like the whole everyone that disagrees is some q lunatic when most people are probabaly approaching it from I think treating these kids as sex objects is gross regardless of the actual intention of the film.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:09
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Terminal autist posted:I'm gonna drop it after this post and I probably will end up watching the movie just so I'm not an ignorant rear end but my main issue is pretty much children can't really consent and the content makes me really uncomfortable but I guess thats the point. when you post edited clips from Q weirdos to justify your crusade, and demand everyone answer to the edited clip, you get called a Q weirdo.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:10
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Terminal autist posted:
Most people aren't saying that, they just want people to watch the movie before critiquing it. Which is how it generally works.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:15
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Terminal autist posted:I've been the guy yelling at people for taking poo poo out of context and not watching the movie before like I get it, I'm probably being a dumb rear end hole. I've done the research and I'm not tone deaf I understand critiquing the lived experience of a queer poc women as a white dude really makes me come off as an rear end in a top hat but again any other subject matter and this doesn't happen. Every single one of the actors who were in sexual scenes in Kids were 21 or over. Not to deny that Larry Clark is a sex creep because even he’ll admit it, but Kids was made specifically to get conservatives mad.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:34
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Someone should just make a separate thread for Cuties so all the degenerates and all the PTA members can have a separate space to poo poo up over whether this dumb movie is the end of western civilization or not.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:35
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Welp, it turns out the alt-rights edited the scene to make it more sexual for clicks. Nailed it.
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Sep 13, 2020 05:40
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King of Bleh posted:Someone should just make a separate thread for Cuties so all the degenerates and all the PTA members can have a separate space to poo poo up over whether this dumb movie is the end of western civilization or not. Mmhmm, how's it feel to be above it all?
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Sep 13, 2020 05:46
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Like, why even bring up Larry Clark’s Kids when the more obvious example would he Disney and that guy from Head of the Class who turned out to be a pedo groomer. Where was the #canceldisney hashtag when that went down? Hell, why aren’t the people upset with Cuties still on Disney’s rear end about that, considering they protected his job for decades? Are the shows he helped produce still available for streaming on Disney+? Probably. That’s the real argument that’s being side saddled. Capitalism exploits all, but of course it steers the mob and conglomerates and “special interest groups” weaponize them against each other. Like it or not, America has a long history of exploiting young girls for profit, this is nothing new, and the hand wringing over a one and done movie that will be forgotten within a year is the easy thing to get angry at instead of addressing the exploitative culture this country props up with their dollars as a whole. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 05:55
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ruddiger posted:Like, why even bring up Larry Clark’s Kids when the more obvious reference would he Disney and that guy from Head of the Class who turned out to be a pedo groomer. Where was the #canceldisney hashtag when that went down? Hell, why aren’t the people upset with Cuties still on Disney’s rear end about that, considering they protected his job for decades? Are the shows he helped produce still available for streaming on Disney+? Probably. Uh, Its not just America that does it, and the french filmmaker did it because of their personal experiences in France. This is a problem everywhere, Especially the loving UK. Cuties might have even been selected because of France's requirement that a certain amount of content has been produced in France. Also lets not forget its Europe that is protecting Roman Polanski from getting arrested. IShallRiseAgain fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 06:01
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whos that broooown posted:Mmhmm, how's it feel to be above it all? I think it's super reasonable to suggest that this, the "what's streaming megathread," is the wrong place to have a town hall discussion about the morals of preteen sexy dancing in film.
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Sep 13, 2020 06:06
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King of Bleh posted:I think it's super reasonable to suggest that this, the "what's streaming megathread," is the wrong place to have a town hall discussion about the morals of preteen sexy dancing in film. It is. That wasn't what you were doing, though.
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Sep 13, 2020 06:12
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I think the Cuties discussion needs to move to its own thread, because this thread has been hijacked by it.
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I don't want to watch cuties because thematically it's wholly uninteresting to me and the 2 minutes of it I have watched are unpleasant, but now I feel compelled to watch it tomorrow because of this dumb conversation.
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