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trucutru posted:In wrestling terms, they are closer to masked luchadores who can have any gimmick in the ring because they get to be themselves once the mask is off.
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Looks like I was right, HoloEN got monetized already! https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1306533368419377152
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Sep 17, 2020 11:08
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First gen 5 collab with other gens is already going well, Polka is playing Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes with Coco giving most of her advice in English.
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InspectorCarbonara posted:First gen 5 collab with other gens is already going well, Polka is playing Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes with Coco giving most of her advice in English. Losing my poo poo at Coco giving the correct instructions in English, Polka horribly misunderstanding them, and then arguing with her that they're wrong.
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InspectorCarbonara posted:First gen 5 collab with other gens is already going well, Polka is playing Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes with Coco giving most of her advice in English. lmao this is great, polka is losing her poo poo and yelling panik. japanese and english chat are spamming it too
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I'm so happy all the EN girls are successful. It really helps solidify that vtubers are a thing that is internationally successful and encourages more people to try Vtubing in the future. This hopefully means we can get a Gen 2 of Hololive EN because the amount of success Gen 1 has is ridiculous.
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MrBlarney posted:stuff I started following the scene in January 2018, and it has been interesting to follow how things have shifted. The companies that pushed the whole vtuber thing in the beginning (Active8, DUO, Appland, Cover, and at-the-time independents like Kaguya Luna etc) were all tech-companies, who worked for a tech-goal. Remember that the term virtual youtuber comes from Kizuna AI, and "virtual" is for virtual reality, not for things to be fictional. There is a panel-discussion with some of the big ones from an event in the summer 2018, where Kaguya Luna's producer puts it very clearly "my dream is to make Sword Art Online a reality". What he wanted to do with the Kaguya Luna-project was to shorten the gap between virtual and real world. During 2018 there were a lot of VR-events from the various companies, but it seems to have dropped down now. I see Nojaloli's old video as a milestone in the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoVh4Fc43Bo It showed that anyone could do this, and there was an explosion of "homemade" channels coming up after that. Another milestone was when Nijisanji came on to the scene in February of 2018. Cheaper production, and focus on streaming content. Ichikara's original goal with Nijisanji was to promote their app, but they quickly shifted to becoming an entertainment company. Cover had also done stream-focused content with Tokino Sora, but it was always with full 3D & mocap. With Hololive they also started focusing on cheaper stream-content. I don't mean this in a negative way. I love where we are today, and I love following tons of channels. 2018 was an exciting time, it reminded me of when when Hatsune Miku was released - an explosion of creativity from nowhere. There was something new happening every month, and nobody knew wtf was going to happen. There is definitely influence of classical idol-culture to the vtuber-scene. Hololive has been marketed as an idol-group, and people freak the hell out when they interact with guys. This is less of a problem at Nijisanji. For streaming culture you see a lot Twitch-style chat from non-Japanese viewers. Lots of spam etc. Not my cup of tea, but I'm an outsider to Twitch-culture so I can't judge. Good comparison with the wrestling-personas. Some vtubers have a thinner wall between persona & person than others. Himemori Luna has a pretty thick wall, whereas Natsuiro Matsuri has a thinner wall. We should all be mindful of, and respect the wall, no matter how thin it seems.
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PerOlus posted:Remember that the term virtual youtuber comes from Kizuna AI, and "virtual" is for virtual reality, not for things to be fictional.
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to add on to that bit of history, covers Tokino Sora exploded in popularity when a youtube bug killed all the top live streams during christmas 2017 heres a cool video to show how insanely popular hololive is compared to even 6 months ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJnx9cY-Mk8
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I think its definitely a synthesis of lots of things. The modern vtuber is cribbing a lot from regular streamers, but the viewer experience can be pretty different (as evidenced by some of the growing pains the english audience has gone through this week), it really is more like watching an entertainer like the kind of "talent" you see on Japanese TV. Something like Nijisanji especially has the size and breadth of talent as an irl talent agency, and a lot of the poo poo they get up to is exactly the same kind of thing you'd see on a TV variety show. Hololive is really the only group that keeps up an idol front and thats mostly an elaborate joke (mostly), they sing and dance but its more for the sake of setting up Hello Project style subunits and stuff (and heck even Hello Project idols do variety shows!). Even going back to Kizuna Ai, she literally had a variety show on TV, doing a lot of the same kinds of skits she does on her channel. I think there's a lot of that DNA in there also. I've definitely made the wrestler comparison also, in terms of the distinction between their inside/outside personas and the respect you're expected to have for the distance, as a fan. Or like the distance between a puppet and the puppeteer.
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I don't know if I've just been ignoring something good or what, but I never got into streaming until I started watching Vtubers, and even then this week with Hololive EN is the first time I've tried to watch streams and archives instead of just clips. I feel like that distance is part of it, there feels like there's a barrier that keeps it from getting too voyeuristic, which is something that always felt weird with streaming. The only peaks behind the curtain are the ones the Vtubers choose to show, and it makes it feel like less of a parasocial relationship and more appreciation of an actor's work and characterization. Edit: I think that's why Ame has grown on me so quickly. She seems like the EN member most aware of that barrier, and is using it to actively cultivate the community, chat, and character she wants (though I think Ina's also really good with that). She knows the exact balance of herself and Watson she wants, and everything feels very deliberate because of that. Hiro Protagonist fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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I do not give a poo poo about streaming outside of vtubers, and even within vtubers I don't really get a whole lot out of watching people play games unless they have something interesting to say about it. Amelia's Superliminal stream was good for that, out of the recent ENs. Vtubers definitely thrive on people developing parasocial relationships with anime girls, but there's definitely something to them acknowledging it's fake. All the twitch and youtube people are just as fake as the anime girls, but they're the opposite and are premised on you believing that they're real. homeless snail fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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homeless snail posted:I've definitely made the wrestler comparison also, in terms of the distinction between their inside/outside personas and the respect you're expected to have for the distance, as a fan. Or like the distance between a puppet and the puppeteer. I still regret nothing, haha!
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They are 100% virtual puppets. Watch Debi Debi Debiru
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People tend to forget that Cover and Nijisanji are legitimate talent agencies, and their standards have only gotten higher as their popularity has grown. I recall seeing a subtitled clip of Coco marveling at how quickly Holofive and HoloEN have exploded onto the scene. These are established content creators, that clearly have their poo poo together and know how to play to their own strengths. e: found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yactWfIytDI Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Sep 17, 2020 12:43
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Gura has 300,000 subscribers already. Shark is far too strong.
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Bloody Pom posted:People tend to forget that Cover and Nijisanji are legitimate talent agencies, and their standards have only gotten higher as their popularity has grown. I recall seeing a subtitled clip of Coco marveling at how quickly Holofive and HoloEN have exploded onto the scene. These are established content creators, that clearly have their poo poo together and know how to play to their own strengths. Haha, I see Coco as part of raising the level there. Asacoco every weekday was ambitious as hell, and probably helped a bunch in making 2020 the year of Hololive (so far).
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jimmydalad posted:Shark Loli no
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Sorry if I used bad words.
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Oh gross, found someone on Twitter trying to out Calli's previous handle. Time to make use of the harassment reporting feature Cover added to their website! 
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On the person/character separation I've enjoyed watching clips of Kagura Mea recently because she's managed to craft a persona around breaking the virtual kayfabe.
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PerOlus posted:Haha, I see Coco as part of raising the level there. Asacoco every weekday was ambitious as hell, and probably helped a bunch in making 2020 the year of Hololive (so far). Asacoco was definitely a big push for me. It reminded me of the Muppet Show in a big way - it brought together this huge cast of wacky characters and let them interact in hilarious ways and established a lot of running gags that help enormously with making the viewer establish mental attachments to that character and make you interested in seeing more of their stuff. Collabs obviously existed before Asacoco but Asacoco kind of created the idea of...I don't even know how to say it, a hololive canon? A hololive universe? It reminded me of the conceit of the Muppet Show where everything was supposed to be happening at a big theater production company. You can see the effects of creating people who are fans of hololive in general rather than merely fans of a specific streamer with how wildly successful both gen5 and holoen have been in such a short time. The moment Watson did her drug trip moment during her debut and the chat immediately lit up with foreign viewers who don't speak a lick of Japanese nevertheless going "ASACOCO???" it was made pretty clear to me how much work Coco had done for the brand. (This isn't to minimize the talents of Gen5 and HoloEN, mind you.) Kanos fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1306563552786837504?s=21 Mori also confirms that she has Superchat. Looks like all the girls are going to get them. I can’t imagine the deluge of money coming in.
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I hope everyone is ready for YouTube to go down due to the deluge of “a” super chats later.
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Kiara's stream is a wall of superchats holy poo poo. I can already see the Coco PANIK memes.
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I’m sorry for being that person, but I’m coming from a place of ignorance. Can I know why I shouldn’t use the term loli and what I should use in the future? I love Gura and all the girls but don’t want to contribute to toxicity intentionally or otherwise.
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tl;dr it's usually pedo/MAP poo poo op. Longer explanation, it's an unfortunate side effect of the moe/cute aesthetic. Gura is designed to be cute and is also very small, ergo people make creepy associations. Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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jimmydalad posted:I’m sorry for being that person, but I’m coming from a place of ignorance. Can I know why I shouldn’t use the term loli and what I should use in the future? I love Gura and all the girls but don’t want to contribute to toxicity intentionally or otherwise. Loli is a hentai term. That should tell you all you need to know.
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Ahahaha. https://i.imgur.com/Kh2fYWp.gifv And this was a medium-intensity period, it's insane. Onean fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Pollyanna posted:Loli is a hentai term. That should tell you all you need to know. TIL that it originated as a hentai term. Ok, I can understand why it’s a bad thing.
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klapman posted:it's been 27 minutes and she's up to 6740$
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I gave her 2$ and said she only gets it if I get 5% of the stocks. I'll see you poors later
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klapman posted:it's been 27 minutes and she's up to 6740$ So she gets like $1300 of that? Guess people gotta whale harder
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Eej posted:So she gets like $1300 of that? Guess people gotta whale harder She gets about 2350 of it if the 30/35/35 thing applies to all of them I doubt HoloEN would get a worse deal than everyone else
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Actually I've been wondering if you pay VAT off the superchat amount too, before YouTube's share. Depending on where you send from or where the payment card belongs or something else perhaps.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:She gets about 2350 of it if the 30/35/35 thing applies to all of them this, just take away 30% for youtube then cut the rest in half shes rolling in it, she already opened a restaurant
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