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Just watched this at my brother's, what a nice movie, thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm still wondering if I missed something about the Go board's significance, maybe someone here can make up for my dumb brain: when reconstructing the events of the evening, the Go board is knocked over loudly, but for some reason I don't get, Blanc knocks it over himself later, notes that it hardly makes a noise due to the carpet and shrugs it off? Why did he do that in the first place? Did he learn anything from that I didn't catch?
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cyfad posted:Just watched this at my brother's, what a nice movie, thoroughly enjoyed it. The Go board getting knocked over was the cover story for Harlan tripping Marta over to stop her calling for his family. Blanc sees that the board fell over quite quietly, and figured something else heavy fell. It's just more confirmation that something was up.
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Sep 26, 2020 18:48
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Harlan also notes that Marta's been the only one able to best him in a game since (Ransom?), so there's a bit of "This girl is worth more than the lot of you" at play.
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Sep 26, 2020 23:14
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Finally got around to watching this I can't believe anyone sees Meg as redeemable after the reveal that she makes that phone call in front of the family, she hangs up the phone as soon as Marta promises she'll keep Meg from dropping out Meg isn't sad or guilty at the end of that phone call, she's disgusted at the role reversal going on. She went from being the white savior to being saved. It's just as bad as when Walt similarly goes from "we want to make sure you're taken care of" to straight up threatening her family, perhaps worse because she postured as a friend and confidante and sold her trust out as soon as her wealth was threatened.
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Oct 5, 2020 06:07
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Not a Children posted:Finally got around to watching this I think she's disgusted, but I also think she's more disgusted at herself and her own weakness. That after all the concern she's expressed over the "less fortunate" the prospect of becoming one of them was enough to make her sell out her only real friend within the family's orbit. The family as a whole is awful, but within it there are degrees of awful.
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Oct 5, 2020 19:56
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Yeah Meg is absolutely lovely...but she's a "egged on by her entire extended family" lovely. I think in the universe of the film she's got at least something of a chance of coming out of this with a better conscience--shifting from Liberal to Leftist is an eminently possible journey.
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Oct 5, 2020 23:42
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Or the Nazi child gets his claws into her mind. ‘Look what the immigrants stole from you.’
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Oct 5, 2020 23:44
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Everyone posted:I think she's disgusted, but I also think she's more disgusted at herself and her own weakness. That after all the concern she's expressed over the "less fortunate" the prospect of becoming one of them was enough to make her sell out her only real friend within the family's orbit. The family as a whole is awful, but within it there are degrees of awful. Yeah, none of them are "good people" by any real definition, but there's "weak" and there's "malicious." They're all selfish and greedy, but Meg's a mundane version of that, and I do think she has some self-loathing awareness of that fact that humanizes her somewhat. Of course, the point of comparison is Ransom or Walt or Richard, some really unapologetic trash people. So, it's all relative.
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Oct 6, 2020 01:08
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The_Doctor posted:Or the Nazi child gets his claws into her mind. ‘Look what the immigrants stole from you.’ I doubt that. No one really took him seriously except maybe his mother.
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Oct 7, 2020 01:59
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jivjov posted:Yeah Meg is absolutely lovely...but she's a "egged on by her entire extended family" lovely. The fact that there's so much leeway afforded to her (based on, what exactly?) is kind of telling.
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Oct 7, 2020 05:49
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FilthyImp posted:Meg is exactly the kind of person that would buy Fair Trade poo poo and drop tons of cash at Whole Foods, while secretly voting Trump because of the tax breaks. We don't need to zoom in on the nazi child because, well, we know he's a piece of poo poo (though they don't spend much time on it, the most damning thing he actually does that we see is the "anchor baby" comment, to my recollection) Meg represents the more insidious form of entitlement, the one that pretends to give a poo poo about the less fortunate - so long as the established power structure is maintained and she needs make no actual sacrifices.
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Oct 7, 2020 05:55
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FilthyImp posted:Meg is exactly the kind of person that would buy Fair Trade poo poo and drop tons of cash at Whole Foods, while secretly voting Trump because of the tax breaks. It's really just two things, she's young and the family makes fun of her for taking progressive classes in school. That doesn't make her actions any better, but it establishes the idea that she could be better.
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Oct 7, 2020 05:56
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We really don't have a whole lot to go on with her, other than the fact that she's a college student, financially dependent on her mother who turns out is financially dependent on Harlan. I see in her what I saw in a lot of my college peer group--a professed belief in good social causes that runs a bit aground when personal livelihood is threatened. And there's the framing of the scene where she calls Marta when the pan over reveals literally everyone is lined up behind her pretty clearly having twisted her arm into making the call. Meg ends the film at a crossroads, where she really is in a position where she could go a more positive way, or continue to toe the family line. We really don't get a clear answer from the film itself.
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Oct 7, 2020 05:58
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jivjov posted:And there's the framing of the scene where she calls Marta when the pan over reveals literally everyone is lined up behind her pretty clearly having twisted her arm into making the call. And the depth of that betrayal? I just don't think you can force that out of someone. I think, simply, she's pursuing ideas that run contrary to her family in an act of rebellion, as she knows she lives a life of comfort anyway. Or, really: Not a Children posted:Meg represents the more insidious form of entitlement, the one that pretends to give a poo poo about the less fortunate - so long as the established power structure is maintained and she needs make no actual sacrifices.
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Oct 7, 2020 07:46
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To be clear, Meg fucks up hard in the course of the film, but unlike the older members of the family, she seems to have some sense of awareness of the wrongness of her actions. She never sounds confident the way Walt or Linda or Ransom do. There's a sense of hesitance. And, she hasn't had an entire lifetime of being low-key lovely behind her; she's still in a place where she could make a believable turn post-film
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Oct 7, 2020 14:33
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jivjov posted:she's still in a place where she could make a believable turn post-film I honestly cannot get over that no matter how much she volunteers for Bernie 2020 or how many bipoc history classes she takes. It's a complete betrayal and selling out that happens.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:37
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Oh I hadn't even gotten into my thoughts on Jacob. He's absolutely an online shitposting troll. At least to me, the reason he comes off as "worse" than Meg is that he seems fully leaned into it, rather than having anything resembling a veneer of uncertainty or remorse. That said, the character is younger and Meg, and he could very well grow up and mature later in life. Really, back to Meg though, the reason I'm giving anything resembling a pass to her behavior is that from what we see on screen, she disclosed info about Marta's family not to the cops or ICE, but to her family. She absolutely still 100% hosed up, but not in a direct "I am siccing law enforcement on you" way.
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Oct 7, 2020 18:57
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jivjov posted:she disclosed info about Marta's family not to the cops or ICE, but to her family. She absolutely still 100% hosed up, but not in a direct "I am siccing law enforcement on you" way.  Ok what I'm getting from this is "I don't actually know the implications of being labelled/discovered as undocumented". Like, the whole point of that scene was to demonstrate the kind of leverage that a bunch of rich white people and their lawyers would have against a young woman with undocumented relatives. That's like putting a loaded gun on the table and going "well I'm not pointing it at you per se".
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Oct 7, 2020 20:15
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FilthyImp posted:And I keep coming back to how much good will is bestowed on the cute white college girl and how she has the capacity for change, when in contrast the Ben Shapiro 4chan teen is apparently set in his ways and can't make a SA-Goon-like transformation from Chud to Socialist. I'm not sure the film shows Jacob as being worse than Meg. For all that we're told he's a nazi, his only major action in the film is to hide from his family. He's not culpable to the degree Meg is.
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Oct 7, 2020 20:17
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Again, nobody is saying what Meg did isn't lovely and terrible.
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Oct 7, 2020 20:18
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I feel like the one unifying theme here is that every single member of the family to a person acts in the interest of protecting their wealth. They are portrayed as having wildly different philosophies and politics and they don't even seem to all get along very well but they still band together to protect their privilege. You can of course debate who among the family is "worse" but I feel like that's missing the point in a way. Several (most?) of them are potentially redeemable in the long run, in the short term though they all basically acted in their own self interest and weren't particularly concerned with doing the right thing.
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^^Yes, to all of this. I agree completely.^^FilthyImp posted:Meg is exactly the kind of person that would buy Fair Trade poo poo and drop tons of cash at Whole Foods, while secretly voting Trump because of the tax breaks. To me, she and her mother are more like the family from Get Out. They profess progressive values they don't actually have, but for reasons of civility rather than compassion. You don't have to label them secret crypto-fascists to point out how they suck. "I'd vote for Obama for a third term" isn't inconsistent with the "I deserve more" entitlement at the core of the Armitage family in Get Out OR the Thrombeys in this movie. I don't think Meg would vote for Trump because she's an educated young woman from an extremely blue state. She has plenty of selfish reasons to oppose Trump on white feminist grounds alone, and "tax breaks" is way too pragmatic of a concern for some trust fund kid who thought the money faucet would always flow regardless. She strikes me as an "I'm With Her" Hillary supporter: a decidedly pro-wealth Democrat who purposefully misrepresents the actual gulf between Hillary's centrist ideology and a genuine left-progressive who might do something that did affect her.
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Schwarzwald posted:I'm not sure the film shows Jacob as being worse than Meg. For all that we're told he's a nazi, his only major action in the film is to hide from his family. He's not culpable to the degree Meg is. This is my thing. We're told things about Jacob, but we never really hear his perspective. For me in some ways the worst of the Thrombeys was Linda. The rest of them, to one extent or another, needed Harlen's money. Linda had built a successful business, she didn't need her inheritance. She just wanted it anyway and despised Marta for "taking it" from her.
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Oct 7, 2020 22:06
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Been waiting to see this all year, just saw it was on Amazon and watched it. Lovely, beautiful, and Daniel Craig does not break his fake accent when saying some truly ridiculous stuff.
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Oct 26, 2020 08:19
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Golden Bee posted:Been waiting to see this all year, just saw it was on Amazon and watched it. Lovely, beautiful, and Daniel Craig does not break his fake accent when saying some truly ridiculous stuff. That Foghorn Leghorn accent is almost its own character in that awesome movie. Plua (and I'm paraphrase) "You're famous. I read a Tweet about a New Yorker article about you.."
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Oct 26, 2020 14:01
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Golden Bee posted:Been waiting to see this all year, just saw it was on Amazon and watched it. Lovely, beautiful, and Daniel Craig does not break his fake accent when saying some truly ridiculous stuff. I really want to watch BTS/outtakes of Craig trying to get that accent into gear.
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Oct 27, 2020 00:08
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Everyone posted:That Foghorn Leghorn accent is almost its own character in that awesome movie. Plua (and I'm paraphrase) "You're famous. I read a Tweet about a New Yorker article about you.." Nice short-term payoff later when we find out Jamie Lee Curtis' character actually read the article.
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Oct 27, 2020 10:29
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And there's a copy of it at Ransom's place when you see the flashback of him putting together his big plan
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I know this is the Knives out thread, but I suddenly saw Looper flash by in the tvguide and I vaguely recalled seeing that movie mentioned here. So I figured I'd watch that considering this thread recommended it and Knives Out was really good. Looper good ya'll. It's also pretty clearly from the same guy, so much attention to detail in his movies. So much foreshadowing even if it isn't always immediately clear how it fits into the bigger picture. I now actually really hope Rian gets a chance to make an original Starwars project, he could do some awesome stuff with that instead of the botched sequel trilogy. So thanks for the recommendation! I'll keep my eye out for Brick. It's unfortunate that Netflix doesn't have it.
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Feb 26, 2021 10:30
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Darth TNT posted:
Good news for you, he's working on a stand-alone Star Wars trilogy unconnected to the Skywalker Saga.
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Darth TNT posted:I know this is the Knives out thread, but I suddenly saw Looper flash by in the tvguide and I vaguely recalled seeing that movie mentioned here. So I figured I'd watch that considering this thread recommended it and Knives Out was really good. If you have Amazon prime Brick is currently streaming there. I need to rewatch it, I honestly dont remember too much of the plot but I recall liking it a lot.
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Feb 26, 2021 18:44
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I was in my early twenties when Brick came out and I was in that theater an embarrassingly long time -- at least 25 minutes -- before I realized why everyone was talking so weird.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:I was in my early twenties when Brick came out and I was in that theater an embarrassingly long time -- at least 25 minutes -- before I realized why everyone was talking so weird. I want to ask what you're talking about but I won't. Since it's up on Prime I think I'll just try to check it out for myself.
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Feb 27, 2021 02:39
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Everyone posted:I want to ask what you're talking about but I won't. Since it's up on Prime I think I'll just try to check it out for myself. Brick is the kind of movie that, when you try to explain it to someone, sounds either terrible or pretentious or both, but when you sit down and watch it it’s this beautiful little film experience.
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It's very gimmicky but Brick is probably Johnson's work that I've enjoyed the most.
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Feb 27, 2021 03:52
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There's a shameful lack of Brothers Bloom appreciation happening
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Feb 27, 2021 05:40
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Brothers Bloom is a movie I remember enjoying but other than maybe Looper it's the one I haven't watched in the longest time.
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Neither brother bloom, nor Brick is on our local Amazon Prime. And Netflix also comes up empty. Guess I’ll wait.
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I don't think I'd say Brothers Bloom is the best Rian Johnson movie, but it's easily my favorite one.
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