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sinky posted:You can rely on Cover to choose exactly the worst course of action. Well.... yeah.  I still think it's incredible that a company that is so self-evidently great at scouting and getting talent, can be so inept at handling and protecting that talent from, honestly, pretty basic and self-evident pitfalls and issues of being a popular internet entertainer.
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Sep 27, 2020 14:50
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Ibram Gaunt posted:China is cringe.
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Sep 27, 2020 14:55
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Blockhouse posted:Please look forward to superchats trying to get other girls to say "Taiwan" and get them suspended too until everyone forgets about this in a month or two
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Is this going to set a precedent where Chinese antis complain loud enough to get Cover to take action over the most minor of grievances? I sincerely hope not.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:10
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jimmydalad posted:Is this going to set a precedent where Chinese antis complain loud enough to get Cover to take action over the most minor of grievances? I sincerely hope not.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:20
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If I complain enough about not getting the AkiRose Meme Review, will I get that?
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Sep 27, 2020 15:21
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jimmydalad posted:Is this going to set a precedent where Chinese antis complain loud enough to get Cover to take action over the most minor of grievances? I sincerely hope not. Cover has repeatedly set multiple precedents where when their talent is harassed in any way they will immediately bodily throw the talent under the bus and slap them with huge penalties to mitigate any potential financial damage. Mio got suspended for a month because she got copyright struck by Capcom, something that is 100% entirely Cover's fault because as her production company, vetting what their streamers can legally stream should be one of their loving jobs. When one of their vtubers inevitably has a second's lapse and reads some dickhead's troll red superchat name that mentions Tianenmen or Taiwan or Hong Kong or something, after this I am 100% confident that that vtuber will be going on an extended vacation after being publicly castigated by their employer.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:25
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InspectorCarbonara posted:I don't know if the JP Hololive streamers already do it but the rest of EN at least need to screen their superchats before they read them like Cali does because people are absolutely going to do this.
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I wonder how the JP fans are taking this news. There is no love of the Chinese government over there. It's crazy how just in a couple years, Japan is kowtowing to China.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:28
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If I was Coco I'd definitely be looking to leave Hololive at this point, just out of principal. She could easily transition to another vtuber organization. She's done so much for Hololive it's ridiculous they would even consider penalizing her as a concession to the Chinese for doing literally nothing wrong. And not even having the balls to say why? It's absurd. The hololive people should really unionize if that's even a thing in Japan.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:29
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about as much of one as they are in the us
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Sep 27, 2020 15:36
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I mean if I actually thought this would have a chance of doing anything, I'd probably just accept it and begrudgingly move on. If it actually got the majority of harassment against Coco/Haachama to stop and meant the HoloCN girls didn't get caught in the crossfire, it would probably be making the best out of a bad and unfair situation. So, what are they gonna do when the 3 weeks are up and the same people continue spamming youtube, twitter and other social media with harassment (who are just as much to blame as cover in a general sense, not doing any kind of job actually controlling their platforms) and still calling for Coco to be fired? Seems to me this suspension is bad not because it's unfair or kowtowing or whatever, but rather because it will literally have no positive effect. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised and proven wrong in 3 weeks time.
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https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1310226779739623427 https://cover-corp.com/2020/09/27/200927-1/ Official Hololive EN release about the situation.
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Welp, Cover went and did what they have been doing all year long. Their decisions continue to harm their talents and at this point I wonder how many of them still trust Cover to do what's best for them. Mel, Fubuki, Mio, Aloe, Coco, and Haato have all been handled ham-fistedly in some way and at this point I don't think they intend to handle PR or harassment problems welk. I feel bad for Akai Haato since now she's even more isolated in Australia.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:51
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This seems so loving rear end-backwards, it ain't even funny.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:52
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All companies seem to be taken in by the sirens call of the 1.4 billion person Chinese market.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:China is cringe.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:57
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jimmydalad posted:https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1310226779739623427 Part of me is surprised anyone thought an EN release of this was in any way a good idea just because a cursory reading of the room would indicate that the general EN opinion on their handling of this is  growing larger.
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Sep 27, 2020 15:58
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As bad as Cover's handling of harassment has been, even if they were a "better" company they still would have done this exact same thing. No corporation is going to put morals before profit.
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Wark Say posted:This seems so loving rear end-backwards, it ain't even funny. It's entirely unsurprising. Pretty much every single company with significant financial interests in China will immediately go belly down and surrender whenever anything threatens their standing with the Chinese government for fear of losing access to the market there. Blizzard Entertainment had a huge scandal this year where a player in one of their Hearthstone tournaments(i.e. not even an employee) said "Free Hong Kong" on a post-tournament interview stream and it led to a huge blowup where they took away the player's prize money and banned him from tournaments and released multiple public statements apologizing to the Chinese government. Cover's basically just slapping a heavy penalty on Coco and Haato as appeasement while ducking their heads and hoping the problem blows over so they don't have to make some very uncomfortable and potentially super expensive decisions.
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Blockhouse posted:As bad as Cover's handling of harassment has been, even if they were a "better" company they still would have done this exact same thing. No corporation is going to put morals before profit. They're not even doing that. They're putting their existing, profitable talent below possible future profits from the Chinese market. They could tell the Chinese market to gently caress off right now and it wouldn't hurt their bottom line much.
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Sep 27, 2020 16:02
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gently caress the Chinese government. I feel bad for Taiwan and the Chinese people.
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SpartanIvy posted:They're not even doing that. They're putting their existing, profitable talent below possible future profits from the Chinese market. They could tell the Chinese market to gently caress off right now and it wouldn't hurt their bottom line much. You are seriously, seriously underestimating the amount of subs the existing talent have on bilibili. Fubuki has over a million there. There's also the entire HoloCN branch who would be hosed over massively to think about, none of whom did anything wrong besides "live and work in China". This is an incredibly thorny issue to deal with.
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SpartanIvy posted:The hololive people should really unionize if that's even a thing in Japan. ahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha
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Someone on the reddit discovered the words "Kiryu Coco" are censored in the new gacha game Genshin Impact, if you need an idea of how fast Chinese censorship works.
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Kanos posted:You are seriously, seriously underestimating the amount of subs the existing talent have on bilibili. Fubuki has over a million there. There's also the entire HoloCN branch who would be hosed over massively to think about, none of whom did anything wrong besides "live and work in China". It should also be noted that anyone streaming on bilibili is obligated to reveal and confirm their real life identity to the site (and, thus, the CCP), so that puts the HoloCN talents in an extra-precarious position.
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Sep 27, 2020 16:11
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Kanos posted:Someone on the reddit discovered the words "Kiryu Coco" are censored in the new gacha game Genshin Impact, if you need an idea of how fast Chinese censorship works. as long as they leave bagpipe alone in arknights im happy
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Kanos posted:Someone on the reddit discovered the words "Kiryu Coco" are censored in the new gacha game Genshin Impact, if you need an idea of how fast Chinese censorship works. Brunom1 posted:It should also be noted that anyone streaming on bilibili is obligated to reveal and confirm their real life identity to the site (and, thus, the CCP), so that puts the HoloCN talents in an extra-precarious position.  jesus
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I'm hearing that on Bilibili, their statement mentions that shows support for the One China Policy. This whole situation is poo poo.
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Sep 27, 2020 16:20
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Yeah, I don't know if I want my money or support to go to Cover Corp now.
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Sep 27, 2020 16:22
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Kanos posted:Blizzard Entertainment had a huge scandal this year where a player in one of their Hearthstone tournaments(i.e. not even an employee) said "Free Hong Kong" on a post-tournament interview stream and it led to a huge blowup where they took away the player's prize money and banned him from tournaments and released multiple public statements apologizing to the Chinese government. Wait, wait, wait, that happened in 2020? Jesus, this has been a long year. 
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Lt. Lizard posted:Wait, wait, wait, that happened in 2020? Jesus, this has been a long year. It happened in 2020???????????????? I thought that was 2018???????????? Or 2017??????????????
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It was last year.
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jimmydalad posted:I'm hearing that on Bilibili, their statement mentions that shows support for the One China Policy. This whole situation is poo poo. thats what corporations that apologize about taiwan or hong kong do, they leave that out of the non chinese statements most likely it was a statement by holoCN or a joint statement unlike the japanese and english ones
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Sep 27, 2020 16:30
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Lt. Lizard posted:Wait, wait, wait, that happened in 2020? Jesus, this has been a long year. Hey, there are still 3 months left.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Wait, wait, wait, that happened in 2020? Jesus, this has been a long year. It happened in late 2019 and the fallout continued into 2020, yeah.
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Sep 27, 2020 16:31
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A random someone I'm following on Twitter retweeted this independent VTuber that hasn't quite debuted yet, but I'm very interested. https://twitter.com/ArtemisVtuber/status/1308435894848774145?s=19 https://twitter.com/ArtemisVtuber/status/1309197065746919424?s=19 https://twitter.com/ArtemisVtuber/status/1309912176434409472?s=09 And, uh, this one... https://twitter.com/ArtemisVtuber/status/1309605704337031170?s=19
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if you weren't around for it, a while back mainlanders started tweeting photos of dead rabbits at pekora for the sin of linking a niconico video that had been taken from bilibili. miko cancelled her stream one day and went over to peko's place to console her. and that was AFTER issuing an apology (that wasn't "good enough").
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Basically from what I can tell this is a lose-lose situation. I’m an idiot and want to give the benefit of the doubt that the suspension is to hope people forget about this, but I should know better. I just want to watch anime girls play video games. 
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