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Al-Saqr posted:I like how we're barely a day into a conflict nobody knows anything about in a part of the world no one cares about but already the same pre-packaged positions of people who already hate so and so and love so and so are already being transferred over. actually im very informed
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Atrocious Joe posted:The Armenian community is large enough in the US to make this a bit of a domestic issue but enough about kim kardashian's rear end
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sum posted:Literally all I know about the region comes from the book Black Garden (by de Waal, it's about 20 years old at this point). That said, it seems to be the most authoritative single English source on the region at the moment so I'll summarize the key points as best I remember them. Thanks for this. That flare-up in the late 80s under Gorbachev was covered in two pages of a book I had, but that was it, so it's nice to have a bigger perspective.
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Al-Saqr posted:I like how we're barely a day into a conflict nobody knows anything about in a part of the world no one cares about but already the same pre-packaged positions of people who already hate so and so and love so and so are already being transferred over. I mean, I don't know about anyone else but just based on that I know which side I'm on.
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im hoping this conflict will be over as quick as it started with no major gains by either side, and i think that's the most likely outcome. then again maybe this somehow blooms into WWIII with turkey drawing in the NATO powers (minus the US for the first three years) and Russia and China dumping their entire GDP into military production over a scrap of inarable land between two seas you forgot about. as for picking sides, who cares?
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Atrocious Joe posted:The Armenian community is large enough in the US to make this a bit of a domestic issue speaking of, someone’s been torching Armenian churches in San Francisco the past two months
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to think back to better days, one of the most famous soviet composers was aram khachaturian, an armenian and winner of the stalin prize and author of ballets such as gayane and spartacus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JlGS1m1PL4&t=5934s timestamped the part that was used in the hudsucker proxy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3XHPdexNM
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gradenko_2000 posted:would anyone be willing to effort-post about the history behind these two countries and/or their current political climates? I only have the vaguest idea about this region. Let's begin in the aftermath of the February Revolution in Russia where the Armenian and Azerbaijani republics (and Georgia too) were declared. There's a lot of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Nakhichevan (map), Zangezur (map), Nagorno-Karabakh, (map) at this time. War erupted between the two states (which was really just a continuation of fighting at had been occurring since the Ottoman Army advanced through the region in 1918, but you know gotta have a cut off somewhere) and lasted until the Red Army of new Soviet Union invaded both nations. So the Soviets set up a committee headed by Josef Stalin to settle the matter. He assigns Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan as a autonomous republic, Zangezur to Armenia as a part of it, and Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan as an autonomous oblast. The problem here being Nagorno-Karabakh is overwhelming Armenian. Nakhichevan's Armenian population mostly moved to the new Armenian SSR, but those in Karabakh did not. Fast forward to 1988. The Regional Soviet of Karabakh, encouraged by Gorbachev's glasnost, votes to unite the oblast with Armenia SSR and requests the intercession of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR into the matter. The main complaints being that Heydar Aliyev (father of the current Azerbaijan President) is surpassing the Armenian language, decrease the amount of Armenians living there, favoring Azerbaijanis, etc. Any why the Supreme Soviet sends some mixed signals, but Gorbachev eventually comes down firmly against. Armenians strike and protest; Azerbaijanis counterprotest. The two sides clash at Askeran leaving two Azerbaijanis dead. This triggers the Sumgait pogrom a few days latter as dozens of Armenians are killed and Soviet authorities fail to react quickly to curb the violence. This sends a shockwave through the Armenian community and demands for Karabakh to be transferred to Armenia intensify as Armenians flee Azerbaijan. The Supreme Soviet now formally refuses and deploys soldiers into Armenia. A stalemate ensues until the end of the year as ethnic violence flares and Azerbaijan begin to flee to Azerbaijan. Then that December 1988 a earthquake levels the country and kills tens of thousands Armenians. Gorbachev arrests the entire Karabakh Committee a few days after and any Armenian faith left for the USSR collapses. The Azerbaijani Popular Front is founded and rapidly rises in support. This alarms the Kremlin who attempt and fail to suppress the rising nationalistic sentiment that's rising across its Caucasus union republics. (Georgian-Abkhaz conflict waves) Fast forward one year to January '90 and Boku pogrom occurs and Popular Front seizes the border crossing with Iran. Gorbachev declares a state of emergency and deploys the Soviet Army who kill dozens and wound hundreds of Azerbaijanis. Which sparks stronger nationalistic feelings across the country. Armenian paramilitaries begin to attack Azerbaijani enclaves inside Armenia this year and Armenian and Soviet forces are opening firing on each other. The Supreme Soviet of Armenia declares it's independence in August 1990. Armenia boycotts the 1991 referendum on keeping and reforming the USSR. Azerbaijan votes to keep the USSR. The Soviets launch Operation Ring a month later and begin the full scale deportation of Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh in attempt to intimidate Armenia into giving up its demands, but backfires as the situation becomes a full on civil war until the August Coup a few months after brings the Union to an end. Republic of Artsakh is proclaimed and as Armenian forces advance its now Azerbaijani's who are expelled from the region. Azerbaijan forces placed Stepanakert, the capital of Nagorno-Karabakh, under siege. Which is lifted when Armenia forces capture Shusha and Khojaly (where Armenian forces shamefully massacre at least 200 civilians.) Azerbaijan pretty much gets bodied over the course of the rest of the war and Azerbaijan President Ayaz Mutallibov is ousted as losses continue. Abulfaz Elchibey, the chairman of the Popular Front, becomes President and precedes to alienate Iran with his anti-Iranian and Pan-Turkish irredentism so much that Iran supplies Armenian with energy and fuel. This countered the blockade on Armenia imposed by Turkey and the shutdown of its nuclear power plant due to damage from the '88 earthquake. Mutallibov would be overthrown and replaced by Heydar Aliyev as the war losses kept coming and a ceasefire was signed. Currently Azerbaijan is run by the Aliyey family with Heydar's son succeeding him in 2003. Armenia had a revolution in 2018 that brought Nikol Pashinyan to power on an anti-corruption message. Although I haven't looked into how successful that's been.
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Yup, The perpetrators of the pogroms were the beloved anti-soviet activists who founded such glorious states as the baltic states and Ukraine. Nationalism is a brain disease
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Comrade Koba posted:the one in Iowa was pretty cool The ones in Eurasia probably have less C.I.A involvement and better food, so I’m good, thanks. I mean that cheese boat thing looked pretty good.
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Vasukhani posted:Yup, The perpetrators of the pogroms were the beloved anti-soviet activists who founded such glorious states as the baltic states and Ukraine. Nationalism is a brain disease Feeling like you glossed over a lot of what I wrote about how Soviet decisions were at the root of the issue and then worsened instead of easing the situation later on.
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OhFunny posted:Feeling like you glossed over a lot of what I wrote about how Soviet decisions were at the root of the issue and then worsened instead of easing the situation later on. crazy how the soviet union was defined by 70 years of ethnic violence I wonder what was going on in 1988 hmm
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Vasukhani posted:crazy how the soviet union was defined by 70 years of ethnic violence I'd appreciate if you articulated your views a little more thoroughly than this. As I view the Soviets handing Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan as the root cause of current situation. Along with Gorbachev's doing nothing, doing to little to late, and than going so heavy handed in the early 90s that he turns both sides against the then current Soviet system, but I suppose that sort of discussion belongs in the history thread. On to current events: The fighting is continuing as Azerbaijan brings up its TOS rocket systems: https://twitter.com/ShStepanyan/status/1310483306048348160?s=20 Armenian wounded has doubled to 200 Partial Mobilization ordered in Azerbaijan. Translated from Russian.
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:The ones in Eurasia probably have less C.I.A involvement and better food, so I’m good, thanks. Its pretty greasy and alot of times the egg is still pretty raw so ymmv (i love it but alot of americans react badly to it). They also have a pseudo-fondu, don't know the name, which is pretty good and mixed with flour. Sticks to the bones. Zedhe Khoja has issued a correction as of 09:01 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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The sources from both sides on twitter for this conflict all read like Herodotus
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BeefThief posted:im hoping this conflict will be over as quick as it started with no major gains by either side, and i think that's the most likely outcome. your middle sentence answers your question, this won't blow up at least the sudetenland had beer
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:The ones in Eurasia probably have less C.I.A involvement and better food, so I’m good, thanks. wooosh
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paul_soccer12 posted:whos this guy cargo cult
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0OFNZmCsf8 Good interview with Thomas de Waal his main point is that Turkey is backing them now like never before
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http://nkrmil.am/news/view/2920 Artsakh listed the names of 28 soldiers killed today the 28th. Recent statements from Erdogan https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1310543977205071873?s=20
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fanfic insert posted:damnit, if only we had invited them into
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Impkins Patootie posted:cargo cult ah lmao
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OhFunny posted:http://nkrmil.am/news/view/2920 that pilot who refused to kill erdogan
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Raskolnikov38 posted:that pilot who refused to kill erdogan
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Raskolnikov38 posted:that pilot who refused to kill erdogan Many people are saying
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Nonsense posted:The sources from both sides on twitter for this conflict all read like Herodotus *thinking harder than ever before* Maybe herodotus's style... was and is the norm???
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I take it the giant ants want to seize Nagorno-Karabakh so they can dig for gold there?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:you know you've made it when the guy you're with says "if your life is ever at risk, it won't be until all of my men are dead." it’s always been intriguing to me that in certain parts of the world your life can be spent just in a private militia or paramilitary group with no real regulation but in the US it’s exclusively a weekend warrior thing barring 
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this whole thing stinks to high heavens that the globalists are behind this. globalists just want to see their globalists agenda done, selling more globes to the global elementary school market, as the globes in their school rooms are now out of date.
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