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"Part 4 is the best part in Jojo's." Am I supposed to disagree with him?  Son of Thunderbeast posted:Can you spoil a cliff's notes of the main thrust because I'm not sure i want to watch 20 minutes on why someone doesn't like a thing "Part 1 and 2 are okay, Part 3 was dull aside from everything after Pet Shop, Part 4 was peak Jojo, Part 5 was the worst, and Part 6 was okay but forgettable. Also, the fanbase is rabid and kinda killing my interest in going back with their continued insistence I read Part 7, which is supposedly the second coming of Jesus." Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Can you spoil a cliff's notes of the main thrust because I'm not sure i want to watch 20 minutes on why someone doesn't like a thing
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Sep 29, 2020 04:21
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The summaries are extremely appreciated, thank you both! I don't really disagree with a lot of that, and the stuff i do disagree with i don't feel strongly enough to write a response, different strokes and all that. This however: punk rebel ecks posted:Giorno is a horrible Jojo and he and Bucciarati should just be one character. 
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Sep 29, 2020 04:26
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What part 5 lacks in good plotting it makes up for in vibes
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punk rebel ecks posted:
If only there was a Part he hasn't seen yet, possibly one the fans have been yelling at him to read...
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Sep 29, 2020 04:34
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Also, the fanbase is rabid and kinda killing my interest in going back with their continued insistence I read Part 7, which is supposedly the second coming of Jesus." kinda just roll my eyes whenever a youtube person says something like this
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Sep 29, 2020 04:36
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Augus posted:kinda just roll my eyes whenever a youtube person says something like this extremely funny choice of words tho
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Sep 29, 2020 04:42
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overmind2000 posted:If only there was a Part he hasn't seen yet, possibly one the fans have been yelling at him to read... Eh, the dude doesn't have an obligation to continue to follow something he's clearly not interested in.
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Sep 29, 2020 04:55
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'i read 3/4ths of a series but these fans just won't stop talking about it so i don't want to read one more part' but realistically tho i don't care what it's about, youtube vids where it's just WHY I DON'T LIKE THING and has stuff like 'rant' in bold font in the preview image is like peak clickbait and i instinctively turn my nose up at it because i don't want to give it views
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Sep 29, 2020 04:58
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Part 7, which is supposedly the second coming of Jesus." Funky Valentine fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Sep 29, 2020 05:21
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My biggest problem with the series, and particularly Part 7, is how each chapter is essentially "Stand of the Week". It feels like a very strict formula, even if each encounter is unique.
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Sep 29, 2020 05:23
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COUNTERPOINT: it’s good, actually
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punk rebel ecks posted:My biggest problem with the series, and particularly Part 7, is how each chapter is essentially "Stand of the Week". It feels like a very strict formula, even if each encounter is unique. Part 7 is a weird example to use, since it has the most coherent overall plot of any of the Parts. But Part 3 in particular does mostly break down into individual fights without much development of the overall plot beyond the protagonists moving closer to Cairo and checking off tarot cards from the list, yeah. Part 4's plot structure is less rigid, and it has some developing plot threads (Akira taking the Arrow, Echoes getting stronger, Rohan's investigation to narrow down Kira's new identity, the sections focused on Kira himself), but a lot of it definitely consists of self-contained fights, and some of them (e.g., Let's Go Hunting) could be removed with no or very few changes to the overall plot. Part 5 has the superficial appearance of a complex plot, and there are actual plot developments toward the beginning and (in a less well-written way) the end, but if you look more closely you realize that a fair amount of the middle has basically the same plot structure as Part 3, just with a series of MacGuffins to move the protagonists around Italy instead of a single continuous journey.
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Sep 29, 2020 05:43
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Silver2195 posted:Part 7 is a weird example to use, since it has the most coherent overall plot of any of the Parts. But Part 3 in particular does mostly break down into individual fights without much development of the overall plot beyond the protagonists moving closer to Cairo and checking off tarot cards from the list, yeah. Part 4's plot structure is less rigid, and it has some developing plot threads (Akira taking the Arrow, Echoes getting stronger, Rohan's investigation to narrow down Kira's new identity, the sections focused on Kira himself), but a lot of it definitely consists of self-contained fights, and some of them (e.g., Let's Go Hunting) could be removed with no or very few changes to the overall plot. Part 5 has the superficial appearance of a complex plot, and there are actual plot developments toward the beginning and (in a less well-written way) the end, but if you look more closely you realize that a fair amount of the middle has basically the same plot structure as Part 3, just with a series of MacGuffins to move the protagonists around Italy instead of a single continuous journey. Not gonna lie, the Hunting episode is one of my favorites partly cause it’s pretty good, but mostly because it’s never gonna be hilarious to me that the dub VA for Josuke told his family and friends about the first character he did that was on TV and the episode they ended up getting together to hear him for was that.
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What I've learned is that there are a lot of people who come away from jojo, part 5 especially, not really understanding the importance of the stance against taking shortcuts and only wanting the results and being dismissive towards the journey itself and focusing too much on the end result. e: in a way, Diavolo's entire train of thought matches very well with the various complaints about the series regarding its "filler" and the episodic monster-of-the-week style progression. FirstAidKite fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Sep 29, 2020 06:21
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What if Jojos, but it’s all just stands named after ABBA songs? Fake edit - something something Mamma Mia something fukkin Cher
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Sep 29, 2020 06:23
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Warbird posted:What if Jojos, but it’s all just stands named after ABBA songs? Part 4, but Killer Queen is called Dancing Queen, Sheer Heart Attack is Super Trouper, Bites the Dust is Our Last Summer
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Sep 29, 2020 06:32
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I haven't quite finished part 5 as I'm sticking to the dub release schedule, but I like it a lot more than part 4, possibly more than any other part, and I have no idea why. I should like 4 the most, because it has a lot of breathing room and slice of life episodes, while part 5 is all tension all the time, but something about Giorno's adventure manages to hit a spot that Josuke's doesn't.
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Sep 29, 2020 07:10
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Comig Soon
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Sep 29, 2020 09:01
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I still need to watch part 4 dubbed, I hear it is excellent (translated stand names notwithstanding)
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FirstAidKite posted:What I've learned is that there are a lot of people who come away from jojo, part 5 especially, not really understanding the importance of the stance against taking shortcuts and only wanting the results and being dismissive towards the journey itself and focusing too much on the end result.
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Sep 29, 2020 12:18
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finally (choosing to believe this is the part 6 announcement)
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Last Celebration posted:Not gonna lie, the Hunting episode is one of my favorites partly cause it’s pretty good, but mostly because it’s never gonna be hilarious to me that the dub VA for Josuke told his family and friends about the first character he did that was on TV and the episode they ended up getting together to hear him for was that.
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Nessus posted:Is there an Italian mirror of TV Tropes? Not anymore, Illuso's dead
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Sep 29, 2020 13:01
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FirstAidKite posted:Not anymore, Illuso's dead lol
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Looking at all the Jojos next to each other makes Part 1/2’s jank budget interpretation of Araki’s art stand out.
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Sep 29, 2020 13:17
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Doesn't it also develop the Josuke/Jotaro relationship? I liked that chapter and also the Jonathan/Josuke one you get later. That fight is great because a random rat manages to almost kill two main characters. It's funny how Hol Horse and Mista get mocked for their power being "Gun", but this rat uses it better than them both. Also, yeah, Jotaro and Josuke hanging out was fun.
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To be fair, the rat's gun also turns people into goop, rather than causing just another flesh wound that is completely ignored if it wasn't a head or heart shot.
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Last Celebration posted:Looking at all the Jojos next to each other makes Part 1/2’s jank budget interpretation of Araki’s art stand out. multijoe posted:Part 2 looks fine though? parts 1 and 2 have a less animated but more visually distinctive style than later seasons frankly
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Cosmonaut is completely right about part 5 being a gigantic downgrade from part 4. Giorno sucks rear end and it's hard to care about characters when they're just running around from fight to fight. To too it off we get one of the worst final battles I've ever seen so we don't even get a memorable way to get around king crimson.
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Weirdly, I think my favourite thing about Giorno is how much Abbaccio just loving hates him. They met thirty seconds ago and then Abbaccio starts radiating enough hostility to power Italy.
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I thought they already figured out how to get around king crimson and the final fight was more or less about figuring out how to get the arrow while baiting out Diavolo.
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There's a lot of bad in the final fight but I think the worst/dumbest thing is the reveal that SCR creates a mini-sun behind your head to create your own personal shadow and that someone could loving figure that out and counter it.
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Monaghan posted:Cosmonaut is completely right about part 5 being a gigantic downgrade from part 4. Giorno sucks rear end and it's hard to care about characters when they're just running around from fight to fight. To too it off we get one of the worst final battles I've ever seen so we don't even get a memorable way to get around king crimson. I will contest that Giorno was interesting up until the fight with Sale ended. After that point, he basically just became  , the Character.FirstAidKite posted:I thought they already figured out how to get around king crimson and the final fight was more or less about figuring out how to get the arrow while baiting out Diavolo. At least three different characters figured out a shortcoming to King Crimson, including someone in the actual group. That said, King Crimson was so bullshit that they needed a literal "I win" button to actually beat him, so  .
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RubberLuffy posted:There's a lot of bad in the final fight but I think the worst/dumbest thing is the reveal that SCR creates a mini-sun behind your head to create your own personal shadow and that someone could loving figure that out and counter it. And this is all revealed and solved all within a few sentences.
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I like part 5 more than part 4 and I think Giorno and Diavolo are great characters. Diavolo is my favorite looking character and the scene where he transforms is my favorite of all 5 parts. For me the rapid pace didn't really take away from anything and I felt like I got to know the main characters just fine.
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