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CarForumPoster posted:Real talk though you could make a thing that looks like AND emits "pretty much like" a radar system for less than $5000. There is in fact a whole industry devoted to just that kind of thing, mostly in countries with non-Roman alphabets. Like short range air defense, it's one of those things we really shouldn't have let atrophy.
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Captain von Trapp posted:There is in fact a whole industry devoted to just that kind of thing, mostly in countries with non-Roman alphabets. Like short range air defense, it's one of those things we really shouldn't have let atrophy. What’d we let atrophy? If you’re a first world country with good ELINT and ESM telling them apart shouldn’t be to hard so long as your intelligence is good up front. I’d imagine for the Armenians and Azerbaijanis that aren’t routinely conducting freedom of navigation drills it’d be much harder
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The cold war may be over but the planes are back in the air tonight: https://twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1311885172862668801
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FuturePastNow posted:The cold war may be over but the planes are back in the air tonight: I want this to be real but this dude's Twitter profile does not inspire a great deal of trust.
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Aglet56 posted:I want this to be real but this dude's Twitter profile does not inspire a great deal of trust. flight data history's there in ADSBexchange https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae0414&lat=38.441&lon=-75.567&zoom=7.2&showTrace=2020-10-01  https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae0415&lat=42.000&lon=-116.201&zoom=5.4&showTrace=2020-10-02 
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Aglet56 posted:I want this to be real but this dude's Twitter profile does not inspire a great deal of trust. If by real you mean the planes then I can't help you there but if by real you mean Trump testing positive, he's tweeted it out himself.
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gohuskies posted:I know most of the Nagorno-Karabakh chat should probably stay in a current events type thread, but I did want to flag that Azerbaijan have escalated things by released a military music video: This isn't the first time the Azerbaijani military made a solid music video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKA9xJx-NKg IIRC there's some of the same people behind this and their Eurovision entry -- and it would really be a solid entry if it weren't for breaking half the EBU rules. Azerbaijan, for some reason, is heavily invested in the contest, with Swedish producers/songwriters coming in to work on their song most(?) years, so I expect only the best from their armed forces. E:F;B
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Aglet56 posted:I honestly don't know, but are E-6B flights unusual? Or is this just a routine thing Next to meaningless. Those planes are up all the time. They spend much of their time over the ocean where the submarines are, which means they don't usually show up on flight trackers like ADSBExchange because there aren't nerds with raspberries pi out in the middle of the pacific. It's just coincidence that one happened to fly in range of the coast when this guy looked it up. If you go to the site in the link and click UTC DAY PREVIOUS you can see that that particular airframe flies nearly every day, and there are half a dozen of them in the inventory.
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tangy yet delightful posted:If by real you mean the planes then I can't help you there but if by real you mean Trump testing positive, he's tweeted it out himself. That doesn’t inspire confidence either.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I feel like strange propaganda is totally in keeping with this thread In that case, have Turkmenistans dictator Gurbanguly Berdymukhammedov doing donuts in front of the mouth of hell to prove he didn't die last year. In a rally car. 2019 was pretty lit really, it just gets overshadowed by the current crazy. Tias fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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CarForumPoster posted:What’d we let atrophy? Denial and deception generally. The issue is not so much deciding "real or fake" for a single vehicle in the middle of nowhere. It's "which one is real" when there's one real and a half dozen fakes in the same vicinity.
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What do those planes tell our adversaries with SLBMs and ICBMs
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zoux posted:What do those planes tell our adversaries with SLBMs and ICBMs That you can't guarantee a decapitation strike.
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Aglet56 posted:I honestly don't know, but are E-6B flights unusual? Or is this just a routine thing When I lived in OKC they (and those sub communicators and E-3s and everything else with a 707 airframe) were more or less constantly circling the city. No doubt because of its strategic importance and economic value.
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bewbies posted:When I lived in OKC they (and those sub communicators and E-3s and everything else with a 707 airframe) were more or less constantly circling the city. No doubt because of its strategic importance and economic value. I mean, yeah. Tinker's near there, and Offutt (home to SAC) is something like 500 miles away. There's a poo poo ton of big USAA stuff in the middle of the country.
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mlmp08 posted:A big Someone edit the Barclay gif so this is the biggie smalls he's referencing?
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Cyrano4747 posted:I mean, yeah. Tinker's near there, and Offutt (home to SAC) is something like 500 miles away. There's a poo poo ton of big USAA stuff in the middle of the country. Tinker has a mini navy base within it that does all of the E6B heavy maintenance too, so they are here a lot anyway.
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Godholio posted:The AF scrapped an irreplaceable E-3 after a hard landing and nose gear collapse. The damage was all up front. well there's your problem right there, it's just a lowly E-3. now, if it was an e-3, maybe the air force would have been more enthusiastic about it!
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I originally read those "E-6es are airborne" tweets as "EA-6s are airborne" and was concurrently  and  .Granted, it was like 4 AM at the time? 
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Aglet56 posted:I honestly don't know, but are E-6B flights unusual? Or is this just a routine thing They fly literally every day, and are perpetually dispersed from home station. Xenoborg posted:Tinker has a mini navy base within it that does all of the E6B heavy maintenance too, so they are here a lot anyway. The E6B is literally based at Tinker. Both squadrons are there. The jets themselves spend most of their time on the road, to avoid that whole "decapitation strike" thing mentioned earlier. The Navy compound has a giant anchor out front, which at some point in the 90s was painted pink by some AWACS dudes. Godholio fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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Godholio posted:They fly literally every day, and are perpetually dispersed from home station. I love the Navy's propensity for dumping gently caress off huge anchors all over their shore facilities. Part of me hopes that it really, really confuses alien archeologists a few tens of thousands of years from now.
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Really feels like it's about time to finish replacing all the 707s. The Japanese put the AWACS system on a 767 without serious difficulties.
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1312027909390045184 Which makes sense to me because who are they worried about a strike from, France?
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Mortabis posted:Really feels like it's about time to finish replacing all the 707s. The Japanese put the AWACS system on a 767 without serious difficulties. The 767 is also out of production, minus the KC-46. They COULD expand the line, but the USAF has had about enough of that bullshit. Basically anything at this point is a from-scratch project. Which is why it'll probably be Wedgetails, and for some reason when I ask people involved about how that fleet could possibly be manned, they start kicking the ground and getting distracted.
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Godholio posted:The 767 is also out of production, minus the KC-46. They COULD expand the line, but the USAF has had about enough of that bullshit. I know you've said before Wedgetails don't have enough room for controllers, but do you think it would be "good enough" possibly?
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Mortabis posted:I know you've said before Wedgetails don't have enough room for controllers, but do you think it would be "good enough" possibly? The problem is that you need more airframes to do the same job. The AF is still a couple thousand pilots short already, plus ABMs are undermanned, aircraft maintenance is undermanned... Can the USAF buy enough airframes to adapt? Absolutely; it'll require a massive shift in conops but it's absolutely doable and it's not entirely a bad idea...there are some potential benefits. But can the AF crew them? Nope. Can it fix them? Nope. These problems have existed for over a decade, and the AWACS wing commander is on record saying "We don't have a retention problem, we have a production problem." Which is precisely half true and half jaw-dropping bullshit. Godholio fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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AWG dudes are gonna be aaaaaaangry. https://twitter.com/jenjudson/status/1312067776350244865?s=21
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Saukkis posted:I bet 737 MAX airframes could be had for cheap, just disable MCAS and other bullshit. They'd need to be MAX 10s to give roughly the same internal space as the 'biggest' 707.
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zoux posted:Which makes sense to me because who are they worried about a strike from, France? I assumed the only people who should be worried about getting blown up by France are Pacific Islanders, and maybe Greenpeace.
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Godholio posted:The problem is that you need more airframes to do the same job. The AF is still a couple thousand pilots short already, plus ABMs are undermanned, aircraft maintenance is undermanned... Why can't they just put the wedgetail radar on a 787?
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