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quote:CHAPTER THIRTY-SIX Why do you even care this much? Yes a strong Earth magic talent would be a very valuable addition to the staff of your future residence, especially if you can just pay him in sex instead of actual money and especially especially if you want to bang him anyway. And even if he didn't qualify, you don't exactly need a High talent in Earth magic for all of that stuff. quote:The answer to that lay out of reach, invisible along the path of the unsolidified future. Jovvi finished the tart and then her tea, spoke lightly to Rion for another minute or two, then excused herself. She needed to be alone for a while, to balance the worry that threatened to ruin her entire equilibrium. And it was so silly! It wasn't as if she and Lorand were going to build a life together or anything. So why did the worry over him even distract her from the near disaster of Allestine's visit? Oh hey, are we going to have a character actually do some self searching? quote:Jovvi didn't know, Of course not, this is a Green book. quote:but as she climbed the stairs to her room she thought again of how close she'd come to being right back under Allestine's hand. Like...not at all? quote:And with Tamrissa to keep her company! She wouldn't have minded having Tamma in her own residence here in Gan Garee, Tamrissa now has an official nickname. And Jovvi is ok with exploiting someone sexually as long as it's for her own profit, and not anybody else's profit. quote:but wouldn't have wished even Beldara Lant the burden of having to work for Allestine. Seriously you can stop hating on Beldara now. She's now been confirmed in text as way below Tamrissa's level. quote:As long as you were obedient and popular with the clients, Allestine was all sweetness and smiles. But just try to balk her on something. . . . If we hadn't seen Allestine act uncharacteristically dumb last chapter and vomit all her internal narration onto the page, then I'd be wondering why Jovvi hates Allestine so much. "Oh no, the sponsor of my residence is strict, has high standards and doesn't tolerate insubordination from her employees, what an unreasonable boss". quote:As Jovvi entered her room, she wondered if Eldra really had run away from the residence. She wouldn't put it past Allestine to use the story as an excuse to let her come to Gan Garee herself, most especially if she'd noticed that Jovvi had taken most of her favorite outfits. That was probably the silliest thing she'd done, but there was no helping it now. Allestine was here and would be back, just as soon as she got over her fright, but— What??? Seriously?? Like we're supposed to buy that Jovvi was once a street kid, surviving by her wits. quote:She had to find a comfortable place quickly and do what was necessary, so she started for the bed— This would be a lot more fun if that sentence went somewhere different to where it does actually go. quote:—and nearly tripped over something invisible halfway there! Running into whatever-it-was hadn't been painful, but it had almost sent her sprawling. Jovvi spent a moment trying to see what it was, then gave up using her eyes and instead used her hands. Bending down and groping found her the invisible obstruction, and she ran her fingers over it. A reminder that we're in Jovvi's room and it's after lunch. The only way any of the following makes sense is that her room is completely dark. Either she left the curtains drawn or in fantasy world, bedrooms can be bedrooms in wealthy merchant mansions even if they don't have a window (which would be against building code in Australia!) and there's no lamp inside. quote:"Neither warm nor cold, and soft but not really yielding," she muttered, at the same time distantly wondering where it could have come from. It hadn't been here this morning, when she'd gone down for breakfast before leaving for the session. It was rounded and about mid-thigh height on her, and stood directly in her path to or from her bed and the door. It also had no odor, and was very smooth to the touch. Good questions! Whoever it is either must have Spirit magic to have gone digging through your mind for old memories - and much stronger than yours since they were able to do it without you noticing - or been spying on you your whole life? Also an old barrel? As a street kid in Rincammon? If Port Entril is in the south and it's like the Southern US given Green as an author, then doesn't that make Rincammon northern US and therefore freaking cold in winter? That barrel would have been turned into kindling at the first gust of snow. quote:And then it came to her what the invisible barrel must be made of, which told her who had produced it. It could hardly be anything but solidified air, and that meant the gift was from Rion. But how had he known she needed a refuge, and how had he found out about her childhood one? Those two questions didn't have answers at all, but Jovvi was still grateful for the gift. Without wasting another moment, she bent and crawled inside. You don't think this is a little suspicious after a random fireball and a personal rain cloud? And you're totally cool with your conclusion that the guy who's been trying to get into your skirts all afternoon leaving you a magical stalker "I've paid people to go digging into either your past and/or your mind" gift in your bedroom is just a real sweet dude? Smart as a door knob, our Jovvi. quote:By the time she came out again, her equilibrium was as restored as it was going to get. Possibly it was the fact that she could see out of her refuge through its invisible walls that had kept it from being wholly effective, or maybe she'd just been trying too hard. Jovvi wasn't sure, but at least the time she'd spent curled up had done some good. She no longer felt like being cooped up in that room, which was always a step in the right direction. Please don't, because then we'll have to read about it again, and it's going to be even less interesting hearing it via Jovvi's POV than it was seeing it from your POV. quote:He'd stopped after coming only those three steps nearer, and Jovvi couldn't help laughing gently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtdeR1ZhHJI quote:And that's the way Lorand first saw her when he wiped his eyes, standing and staring at him wide-eyed, too terrified to approach any nearer. She couldn't bear the thought that he would turn his back and walk away from her, determined never to associate with her again. He was just an attractive man she happened to like, no one of any real importance in her life, but if he decided he never wanted to speak to her again. . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9glMiNvRsuM quote:His grin tried to coax a smile from her, and what it brought out was a rather silly specimen of one. Jovvi knew her smile was foolish, but the relief she felt was out of all proportion to the incident. She felt as if her life had just been saved, as if she'd been given water on the verge of dying of thirst, as though she'd been pulled back from the edge of a precipice. And then his arms reached out and pulled her even closer, making it all a thousand times better. Lorand you better be able to back that up. quote:That sounded nothing at all like the Lorand she thought she knew, Yeah, us neither. Brace yourselves, guys. quote:but then his lips came to hers and all coherent thinking was immediately beyond her. The surge of power passing between them almost did knock her over, and she had to circle his body with her arms in order to stay on her feet. Not that she minded touching him like that, with her entire body as well as her arms. Without knowing it she'd ached to be held by him like that, and now, at last, it was happening. Here it is. Not only are people who are genetically lucky enough to be born High talents magically stronger, better at doing things in life and have greater prospects for employment, they're also going to have better sex than everyone else without having to work for it. quote:Although she was being burned, and Jovvi moaned with the feel of something so intense that it almost reached the threshold of pain. Lorand's lips were consuming hers, his hands now moving over her back and bottom with long, deeply felt caresses, her own hands moving over his body in the same way. But as incredible as the feelings were they also seemed to be building toward something, a something that would take a horribly long time to reach. That's...not how orgasm works, Green. Lorand's doing something wrong if it's going to take Jovvi a horribly long time to get there despite being this turned on. Or maybe she was going for edging but got it backwards? quote:And then Jovvi felt herself lifted off her feet and put down gently on something soft, which had to be one of the lounging pads on the bath's wooden verge. She hadn't realized they'd left the bath, but didn't really care. Lorand was all she cared about, that and his kiss and caresses. He now knelt above her where she lay, his lips still hungrily clinging to hers. One of his hands now stroked her breast, the other exploring the full length and area of her thigh. I'm picturing Lorand pawing mindlessly at Jovvi here, the way my cat paws at the door when he's been locked in and not allowed out. This is not remotely sexy at all. quote:But then she became aware of something else, something impossible. She knew exactly where Lorand kissed and touched her, but all at once she was also being kissed and caressed inside her body! That was the only way to describe the searing touches of indescribable ecstasy, as though she were being kissed all over beneath her skin. This sounds...horrible. Like what is he doing, using Earth magic to squeeze her internal organs? "Oh Lorand, do that thing to my liver again!" Does someone need to give Green an anatomically correct sketch of the human body marked with where the touch receptors and nerve endings are? quote:She writhed beneath Lorand and tried to escape his kiss in order to ask what was happening, but he refused to release her. Uh, dude? You haven't talked about whether she's into bondage, you don't have a safe word and you are using your magical ability on her (which is potentially lethal if you should happen to slip, which is completely possible after a full day's exhausting qualification session) without consent. This is when you back off and let the woman ask you "WHAT IN THE NAME OF THE HIGHEST ASPECT ARE YOU DOING TO MY INTERNAL ORGANS?!" quote:His own moaning joined hers, but his lips continued to hold hers captive. This is actually terrifying. quote:whimpering as the tide of flames lapped higher and higher until she was all but drowned. She'd never felt that way before without attaining immediate release, but this time there was no relief. On and on it went, building and growing without end— The most popular courtesan in all Rincammon and the North - who presumably has a very large repertoire of sexual techniques and definite preferences - has been a passive party to this whole sexual experience other than raising her hips at the moment of penetration. quote:So large and hard he was, the most perfect of men, Oh FFS. quote:and as he fit himself within her she felt her talent reach to him without her conscious effort. Balance was the ruling aspect of her life, but where it was possible to bring balance to raging emotions, so was it possible to remove the balance in the most desirable way. Lorand groaned as he felt a rush of wild perfection turned just far enough to be out of his reach, but not so far that he couldn't eventually make contact. All he had to do was begin the most natural act between men and women, the most wonderful ever conceived of. The perfect BLENDING, see?? See?? Look at this foreshadowing! quote:When it was finally and completely ended, Lorand pulled over another lounging pad and lay down beside her. They were both breathing heavily and covered in the fine sweat of their lovemaking, and when she managed to turn to him he leaned close and kissed her nose. All she did was lie there and then use her Spirit magic. Any other woman with Spirit magic could have done that. quote:"And there can't be another man like you," she said with another of those smiles she considered so foolish, reaching out herself to touch his chest. "I've never experienced anything like that, and I wish you would tell me what you did. I know it sounds silly, but it was almost as if you were inside me in more ways than one." This is not how post coital conversations are supposed to go. quote:How do you think surgeons operate? By cutting people open?" Haha, very funny. quote:And you're right, I should have realized that that was what you were doing. I suppose I got sidetracked into thinking that Earth magic just covered soil and growing things and metal and animals. "It's only the most versatile magical talent out of all five elements!" quote:Probably because you mentioned weaving strands of earth during your session. I wonder why they didn't use something else." That is literally all the explanation we ever get for why braiding, braiding, braiding and it's the laziest handwaving of the fact that the protagonists never need to work on getting better at magic going forward. quote:"But with the testing authority involved, there's no way of knowing for certain. Those people are—a waste of time to talk about, especially when there are more important things to discuss." Lorand's first not-proposal went so well that he's gonna go for another! quote:"Married?" Jovvi echoed, trying to understand what he could possibly be talking about. "I can't marry you, Lorand, not when I'll have a brand-new business to establish. After a while I'll have enough other courtesans in the residence that I should be able to retire, but that won't happen right away. I'll find it easier than Allestine does because I won't keep my people all but enslaved, How exactly is that going to make it easier for you? What exactly are you contributing - apart from infrastructure - that any other ambitious, skilled courtesan couldn't do on her own? You're talking about a business where you're completely reliant on human capital in a world where being a courtesan isn't going to be a stepping stone upwards to something better. You either hold on to your cash generating assets or you make a plan to deal with the high rate of churn. I'd bet turnover is upwards of 30% without even looking it up. quote:but it's not something you do in days or weeks. I'll have to—" You know he's a keeper if he constantly interrupts you to tell you to listen to him. quote:"Once we're married I'll provide for us, including any children we might have. That means you don't have to do a thing but be there with me. All this talk about establishing a residence is just—just—" Look, I get that Jovvi has a whole heap of accumulated intellectual capital - sex work is what she knows, she's good at it, it's been reliably lucrative for her in the past, she's already got Tamrissa and her house lined up as part of her fledging business plan and - arguably most important of all - she ENJOYS IT. But how is there no middle ground between "be a house wife and mother to our hypothetical children" and "entrepreneur bootstrapping a capital intensive start up"? Did you guys forget you're both High talents again? How is "let's both do a DINK scenario, make bank, go full FIRE by living modestly and self funding a retirement plan as well as our own life insurance policy before having kids" not a thing? Between Lorand and Jovvi, they should be able to open their own one stop shop body and mind medical practice - especially if Jovvi leans pretty hard into the wellness thing. quote:"No, you're right, there won't, be," she said, forcing a smile and taking his offered hand after he rose. "But right now we'd better wash and get out of here. Others might be waiting to come in, and it would be rude to make them wait any longer than necessary." You were supposed to be all Regina George about this and now you're going to drag down this narrative into further drama queen territory? Summary: Day 5 Vallant and Lorand head back to their sessions and qualify by taking in more power to weave five strands. So does everybody else. Allestine and her henchmen show up to kidnap Jovvi and Tamrissa, only to be chased out after deadly displays of Fire and Air magic. Rion flirts with Jovvi, and Vallant flirts with Tamrissa, on their way to lunch. Jovvi and Lorand have weird sex in the bath house where she's lying on her back thinking of England while he's stroking her internal organs with his magic. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 8 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge MEALS ON-SCREEN: 7 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 9 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 24 COACH RIDES: 19 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 3 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 28 "CLIFFHANGERS": 14 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 7 BLATANT MORALIZING: 16 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 5 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: there wolf nailed it earlier; Lorand's thing with Jovvi needs to be totally one sided because it makes no sense for Jovvi to get this attached this fast. Remember when I said that I wasn't convinced there wasn't somebody with stronger Spirit magic than Jovvi hiding around Tamrissa's house pulling strings? Now Book 8 spoilers there most definitely isn't but these moments where Lorand's called out on saying something out of character and Jovvi noting that she's getting really attached for no reason just sets off . Spoilers for this set of fixes in case anyone really doesn't want to find out about the end of book 8 this early:
That leaves Book 1 as a "learn the individual magics" arc, Book 2 as a "learn about Blending/the world" arc and Book 3 as a "war of nations" arc. That sounds doable in 100k-150k length novels.
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On that note, we have 8 chapters left in Book 1. At my current posting rate, we should be done with Book 1 somewhere around the second week of October. However, as previously mentioned, Book 1 ends in a stupid place because Green and a better stopping point would be 5 chapters into Book 2, which we would probably get to shortly after mid October. I don't know about you guys, but reading so much of Green's crap leaves me feeling like I need to go read some GOOD writing before my brain completely melts, starts resetting and begins to think this level of writing is normal. Besides, I'm still only two thirds of my way through my Stormlight Archive reread and even though I planned to get through Dawnshard before Rhythm of War drops, I did NOT anticipate Will Wight releasing Wintersteel on October 6 so I have an extra 145k words of Cradle to devour as well! In addition to all that reading, NaNoWriMo has been on my bucket list for this year. Long story short, I'll need to take a short hiatus from doing this thread from about mid-October until the end of November, but these are my options: 1. Write the story that's been kicking around in the back of my mind OR 2. Rewrite Book 1 of The Blending - the original plan was to do the rewrite once all 8 books are done, but quite frankly that might drive me insane. At any rate, I think we've covered enough ground that a rewrite of the first book would be doable at this point without spoiling too much of the remaining 7 books. For what it's worth, there are some definite benefits for me to go with Option #2 namely because a) the outlining, character creation and some world building has already been done; b) knowing there are goons expecting me to post an update will force me to stay ahead of the target word count and actually finish writing; and c) there's a higher likelihood of output that's not entirely crap, since I'd be writing Green's second draft for her. So if anyone is interested in following a live rewrite in a CC thread in November, please post and let me know you want Option #2 for the upcoming NaNoWriMo and you'll still get your regular dose of Blending universe entertainment (this time at my expense rather than Green's). Otherwise I'll go with Option #1 and we'll reconvene in early December!
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I'm torn, because I'm interested in seeing a rewrite but don't want to be responsible for making you spend more time in the Blendingverse.
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I have to admit, I found the first few chapters that you posted intriguing enough that I bought and binge-read all 8 books (probably the way to do it, then you're not stuck in this universe for too long). Personally, if you think your sanity will take it, I would be interested in seeing the rewrite and following along.
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wizzardstaff posted:I'm torn, because I'm interested in seeing a rewrite but don't want to be responsible for making you spend more time in the Blendingverse. A Small Car posted:I have to admit, I found the first few chapters that you posted intriguing enough that I bought and binge-read all 8 books (probably the way to do it, then you're not stuck in this universe for too long). Personally, if you think your sanity will take it, I would be interested in seeing the rewrite and following along. My one serious creative project (which I've been working on for the last 7 years in haphazard bursts of focus followed by long periods of nothing) is currently stalled at the 3/4 mark because there's some structural issues with bringing the various character arcs and subplots together into one satisfying climax and conclusion. I've given myself until next August to finish it and have been stuck for the last month. Hence, this whole thread and the NaNoWriMo project to try and work on some fundamentals while giving my conscious brain some space to come back to it in December. So honestly, spending more time in the Blendingverse is probably the least of my worries. My biggest worry is that despite the low bar Green has set, I won't be able to do any better. My second biggest worry, is that knowing that I won't be able to do any better will prevent me from actually finishing the rewrite and it'll stall just like my serious creative project, or fizzle out like a similar project attempted two years ago with Let's Read Ready Player One and a goon sourced fix fic (both incidentally also by chitoryu12). I have a tendency to bounce from idea to idea and what I need to work on is execution. Those two fears are my main reasons for doing any rewrite as a NaNoWriMo project. I have a good track record when it comes to delivering things on deadline so getting to a target word count in 30 days will help a lot - and it means that at the end of November I can shelve it (along with any feedback I get) for later and switch gears back to my primary creative project. I figure that as long as I keep in mind that the point of this whole exercise is to develop some good writing habits (in terms of getting words down on a page and FINISHING an entire draft) and get a solid grounding in the fundamentals of writing as a craft (prose, character and plot), it'll be a good learning experience.
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quote:CHAPTER THIRTY-SEVEN Imagine having to scribe the following dictation while keeping a straight face. quote:"My darling boy," the letter had begun, just as though he were still ten years old. Sorry Rion, 3 days of knowing what sex is and your first sexual experience doesn't make up for your complete lack of adulting skills. You are still a giant man baby. I am sorry to tell you that developing pick up artist skills does not increase your overall maturity. quote:"I knew allowing you to come to Gan Garee without me would end badly, and so it has. Those trollops living in that so-called residence with you have obviously taken advantage of your sweet-natured innocence, but I refuse to abandon you in your hour of need. I've demanded an audience with the Blending, and this time I won't allow them to sway me. One way or another I'll soon have you out of there, and back with me where you belong. We will see the Blending Hallina Mardimil is referring to here exactly once at beginning of Book 3. quote:"As far as other things go, I must tell you frankly that I'm deeply disappointed. I sent word to Gan Garee ahead of you, to Dom Hoclan, my business manager. He arranged to have men keep watch over you, to protect you in case of trouble, and to discover what bad influences you might be exposed to. He was also supposed to keep you from those bad influences, but mistook my intention and merely had his men keep watch. When I received his report this morning, I immediately took to my bed. Someone good at satire cover Chapters 1 through to Lorand's POV in Chapter 22 from Hoclan's perspective and write an epistolary summary of the event from his report to his virgin Karen boss about her man child adopted stolen son. Also, it's a wonder that Green didn't stray once into exhibitionism with her characters given how many people were watching Rion have sex in Chapter 22. quote:"In the interim, I ordered Dom Hoclan to have the sickening female who desecrated you arrested by the guard and thrown out of the city. As soon as she's found your honor will be avenged, and no one need ever know. The pain in my heart will remain, of course, but once you've returned to me and enough years have passed, the pain will surely do the same. Why just Naran? If you're going to the Blending, why don't you ask for Jovvi and Tamrissa to be executed too? Because quote:"Be brave, my love, it won't be long, you have my word on that. Until then, I remain, your adoring mother." So very Oedipal. quote:His adoring mother. Rion shuddered at that phrase as it rang over and over in his head. She'd decided to have Naran Whist arrested and thrown out of the city so Rion's "honor" would be avenged, and that without knowing how much he burned to see the girl again. If she ever found out, Naran's life would be worth less than a copper, and all because she'd generously turned a sheltered boy into a man. The boy's mother didn't want him to become a man, and all her considerable power and influence would be bent toward returning him to his place under her thumb. I hate this trope so much. quote:A wave of illness made Rion close his eyes for a moment, and when he opened them once more he was able to see Tamrissa and Ro again. The two had been walking in the garden since before Rion had come to the window, and something told him they had used a private part of the garden to share a kiss. He had very little experience in judging the matter, but he still had that definite feeling. And just a few moments ago, he'd seen Jovvi hurrying to the bath house in a wrap. Ordinarily that would have meant nothing, but Coll had gone into the bath house a short while before her, and now the "occupied" sign hung very conspicuously on the door. The incel vibes from this paragraph are overwhelming. quote:Anger turned so quickly to fury and rage that Rion would have been shocked if he hadn't been so deeply caught up. Instead he snarled and lashed out with a fist as he'd been taught to do in his exercises. The motion was intended for the releasing of tension and pressures, a deliberate spilling of excess energy that might otherwise overwhelm him. He lashed out with his other fist even as he took another step— and the blow landed on something soft and yielding which was also invisible. This is problematic on a few levels:
quote:Rage tried to surface again, but this time it was easily brought under control. Rage accomplished nothing but destruction, and only constructive thought had a chance of freeing him. Rion understood that, but where was he supposed to begin? With an answering letter to Mother, telling her he now knew the truth? She claimed to love him above all other things in life, but actually it was herself she loved. Keeping him a pitiful child had been for her benefit, certainly not for his. You could just ghost her. That would drive her nuts. quote:But that was something which would never happen. Rion had lost himself to rage because of the fear that she might succeed in regaining possession of him, not realizing just how impossible she would find that. He would sooner live on the street, in filth and squalor and begging coppers, than go back to the nightmare of his previous life. That firm decision freed him more surely than all the letters and protests in the universe, sending his previous fear to a place from which it could never return. This is a prime example of why I hate these books. The protagonists spend ALL THEIR DAMNED TIME making mountains out of molehills. Yeah, look, people's thoughts often go around and around in circles but just like how you don't write dialogue verbatim as people would speak in real life, you also should not write internal monologue exactly like real life. The point of a story is to focus on the interesting bits - i.e. the turning points where stuff happens and decisions are made. This whole Rion POV could have been summarized in a sentence or two about him wrestling with his feelings of shame, inadequacy, fear and anger that were triggered by his mother's quote:"Sorry, Mother, but your darling baby has finally begun to grow up," Rion murmured, his smile now a good deal more serene. "And if I find Naran before your people do, she'll be just as safe from you. Yes, she isn't at the tavern any longer, so I should have a chance to do just that. But I'd better remember about those people watching me. . . ." We got ~1500 words of a useless monologue that concluded the only credible threat was to Naran (which could be easily deduced by a reader since all you would know the first time around is that Naran's just a random tavern girl), then one sentence that says Rion's making "serious plans" (that we will see him enact in future chapters). This is why these books don't need to be from everybody's POVs. The extra POVs add nothing but bloat. quote:Vallant finally went back to his room to get ready for dinner, keeping himself from whistling only with the greatest of efforts. He'd spent all afternoon walking in the garden with Tamrissa, and she'd even agreed they might do the same again this evening. She might decide against it at the last moment, but not because she was uninterested in him. She was just so shy where men were concerned, when she wasn't telling them off, that is. . . . We are bouncing from POV to POV as the protagonists go through their daily schedule of wake up > breakfast > magic > lunch > magic > bath > nap/quiet time > dinner > evening shenanigans > bed > repeat. In a meticulous manner that focuses on excruciatingly vague detail. quote:He grinned as he walked, intending to take full advantage of the daydreaming, and then suddenly, unexpectedly, he ran into something that tripped him. He fell forward, expecting to sprawl full length on the floor, but it didn't happen. He sprawled on something soft and springy instead, a good three feet off the floor. Up until this point, Vallant's had the following meaningful interactions with Rion:
quote:He turned over and stretched out, finding the cloud to be even more comfortable than his bed would have been. It was something he would have loved to show to and share with Tamrissa, just as he wanted to share everything with her. For the daughter of one wealthy merchant and the widow of another, she'd had so very little in her life. Vallant: "Hey Tamma come look at this cool invisible cloud in my bedroom! It's even more comfortable than my bed!" Somehow I don't think that would go down well. quote:"But that applies only to pleasure," he muttered, a darkness descending over his happiness. "When it comes to pain she's had enough for ten people, but her father still isn't satisfied. He'll use her to get what he wants until she's all used up—unless somebody stops him. Somebody like me, for instance, who'll never let her be hurt again." Who the hell monologues like this out LOUD? Total. Drama. King. quote:He'd never met a woman he felt so complete with, and the more he spoke to her the more certain of it he became. It was as though she'd been given to him in compensation for having lost his family, but he had to remember she hadn't really been given. He'd have to work harder to win her than he'd ever worked in his life, because she still couldn't quite trust men. Obligatory Vallant because women are not prizes, they are people. I hate this guy. A reminder that this is a primary love interest of a protagonist who is a protagonist himself written by a female author who professes to be a feminist. quote:He sighed then, remembering how she'd tried to wish her beauty away. She felt it had brought her nothing but grief, and she honestly believed that being plain or downright ugly would have saved her from what she'd gone through. It was possible she was right so Vallant hadn't argued, but something told him she was mistaken at least in part. What lay inside her, what made her the woman she was, was every bit as attractive as her face and body. Vallant felt the pull of her essence, and suspected a good number of other men would and did feel the same. That man Hallasser, for instance. . . . "What lay inside her"?? "What made her the woman she was"?????? "The pull of her essence"??????????????? Like, a uterus and vagina that can Book 3 spoilers set a man's blood aflame during sexual intimacy? I'm trying really hard to give Vallant the benefit of the doubt here and assume he means Tamrissa as a person. Unfortunately, none of his POVs show any appreciation of Tamrissa as a person, other than for her physical beauty. quote:Vallant felt every trace of humanity leave him at thought of the man Tamrissa's father was now trying to give her to. When normal, well adjusted people say "I'm gonna kill you/him/her/them", they're using hyperbole. They don't actually give any thoughts to thinking about how they would kill somebody. Vallant is a High talent in Water magic who can actually do the things he's fantasizing about in a blink, and what we've seen of the magic so far indicates that only another High talent in Water magic would have the ability to defend against his attack. This makes 3 out of 5 protagonists who are homicidal. We had Tamrissa hallucinating about burning her parents and ex-husband to cinders, Rion plotting Lorand's murder for kissing Jovvi and now Vallant is - in his own words - daydreaming about killing Tamrissa's intended future husband and her father. Worse, Vallant's own internal monologue indicates he's had these thoughts before when he's in a homicidal rage. quote:The woman he wanted so badly to make love to, but that would have to wait. She wasn't yet ready to accept him in that way, and he was prepared to wait as long as necessary until she was. Is anyone convinced he's in love with Tamrissa? How is this guy different from Odrin Hallasser, apart from the packaging? He's still controlling, prone to homicidal rages, thinks of her as an object/prize, etc. quote:But in the meanwhile he could daydream, which he did until it was time to go down to dinner. To see her again, and be near her again. . . . The creep factor just keeps climbing higher and higher, though I can thankfully say that Vallant never goes anywhere near Edward Cullen territory. Summary: Day 5 Vallant and Lorand head back to their sessions and qualify by taking in more power to weave five strands. So does everybody else. Allestine and her henchmen show up to kidnap Jovvi and Tamrissa, only to be chased out after deadly displays of Fire and Air magic. Rion flirts with Jovvi, and Vallant flirts with Tamrissa, on their way to lunch. Jovvi and Lorand have weird sex in the bath house where she's lying on her back thinking of England while he's stroking her internal organs with his magic. Rion has an incel pity party for himself and Vallant indulges in murderous fantasies. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 8 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge MEALS ON-SCREEN: 7 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 9 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 25 COACH RIDES: 19 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 3 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 28 "CLIFFHANGERS": 15 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 7 BLATANT MORALIZING: 16 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 5 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: Club this chapter to death with a set of invisible weights then dehydrate the remains into a pile of dust.
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# ? Sep 30, 2020 14:28 |
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quote:CHAPTER THIRTY-EIGHT Little do you know that Vallant's still pretty intent on conquest and sees you as a prize - he's just really good at masking it. I feel like Green skipped writing the conversation because it would require these two characters to actually relate to each other as adults and that's much harder than just thinking about how hot they are. quote:I stopped short in the middle of the room when I banged into something, but couldn't see what the something might have been. That part of the room was empty of everything but carpeting, but I hadn't imagined brushing against something. So I put out a hand and felt around, and sure enough a moment of groping at last put my fingers on the thing. Damage or scarring from a swing is pretty low risk and this world has magical healers. quote:At first I tried to imagine how an invisible swing could have gotten into my sitting room, but then the answer became obvious. Rion had supplied it by solidifying air, and it didn't matter whether he'd done it on his own or Vallant had asked him to do it. I now had what fit my mood perfectly, and no one was there to say I couldn't use it. How big is Tamrissa's sitting room? Also you just left Vallant. How did he even have time to ask Rion to do it? You don't find this the slightly bit weird given the fireball and the thunder cloud? And if you've been "walking" in the garden with Vallant all afternoon, presumably relating like two adults and laughing over your previous misunderstandings, how did you not ask him about the thunder cloud? This stupid "mystery" should have been busted by now. quote:Like the way Vallant had told me about his family, not to brag but to share the idea of what a real family was like. His mother had an odd sense of humor and enjoyed occasionally teasing her sons, which usually made them laugh. His father was a big man with a very strict sense of honor, but he'd always shared that sense with his sons rather than imposing it on them. They all loved each other very much, and I was finally able to understand why Vallant hadn't wanted to be parted from them. Stop telling me these things and start showing me! This is the second time Vallant's been telling fun stories to other people and we don't get to hear any of them. We're just told he's very charming and funny instead. quote:I'd told him very little about me in comparison, but he hadn't pressed for details he seemed to know I didn't care to discuss. Instead he'd called me Tamakins, insisting that the awful nickname suited me perfectly. I'd tried to retaliate with Valsi-Walsi, but the sound of that had been so ridiculous I hadn't been able to say it without laughing. At first he'd pretended to cringe at the name, but it wasn't long before he couldn't keep from laughing either. A reminder these are two grown adults. quote:And then, not long before we'd come in, he'd put a finger under my chin to raise my face, and then he'd kissed me. It had been such a gentle kiss, and such a short one, but my lips still tingled with the feel of it. I'd expected him to ask for more, dreading what would happen when I was forced to refuse, but he never did. He simply kissed me gently for a moment too quickly over, and then we'd resumed strolling. With my hand held firmly to his arm, just as he'd insisted. . . . That weird punctuation typo is in the ebook. Like StrixNebulosa, I sold my paper copies so I don't know whether that error existed in the print! quote:I swung long and high, but after a while I remembered that I was supposed to be getting ready for dinner. I could have stayed in the skirt and blouse if I'd wanted to, the way most of the men had stayed in their uniform trousers and shirts. But instead I found myself leaving the swing and hurrying to my wardrobe, to pull out the best dress I had. I wanted to look really marvelous for Vallant, to make him glad he'd asked me to walk with him again. Reminder: this is supposed to be a Strong Female Character. Such great messages for 14 year old girls reading this from their high school library. quote:I could see his platinum hair and pale-blue-eyed handsomeness clearly in my mind's eye, and couldn't wait until I saw them again right in front of me. Seriously?? quote:The dress of melon silk trimmed with lots of white lace took a short while to get into, and that after washing some in the basin. Once dressed I ran the brush through my hair quickly, then hurried out of the suite. I was certain I would be very late, and only hoped Vallant hadn't decided to wait for me before going in himself. Walking in late is bad enough; walking in late with a man beside me . . . I'd probably never live long enough to stop blushing. At this point Tamrissa should realize that Eltrina lied about there not being any other residences having capacity. Of course, she doesn't. quote:She curtsied and left then, and a moment later the servants began to bring out our meal. No one said a word until the servants were gone again, and then Jovvi sighed. We've had like eight chapters of and no forward momentum on the actual conspiracy. quote:The meal was a very silent one, with each of us wrapped mostly in our thoughts. Once I looked up and happened to meet Vallant's gaze, and he tried to smile at me reassuringly. I tried to return his smile in the same way, but neither one of us succeeded. But we did try, and that in itself made me feel a bit better. Yay, another random encounter to create more Tamrissa/Vallant drama. Because Green can't just have two characters work out their issues like adults. quote:"Well, good evening, my dear," he said, coming inside only a single step before stopping to smile at me. "I thought you would all be finished with dinner by this time, and I'm pleased to see I was right." I'm trying really hard to work up feelings of betrayal, etc on Tamrissa's behalf and I can't. quote:Vallant tried to call out Tamrissa's name to stop her, to tell her it wasn't true, but Mirra chose that moment to throw her arms around his neck and smother the words with a kiss. She hung on like a leech with the strength of a pit bull, and by the time Vallant had freed himself, Tamrissa was gone. Vallant just casually shoving Mirra that hard. If only Rion had hung around, then we might have had a magical battle in the house! quote:She grinned at that and tried to close with him again, but Vallant put a hand on her chest and shoved again. This time she stumbled back into the man who'd brought her, hopefully crushing his foot at the very least. Oh hey, this is new information. You didn't dispute Mirra's comment about the wedding back in Chapter 5, so as far as we're concerned, you guys were engaged. And you also knew that she didn't acknowledge your break up! If it was the big planned alliance between two shipping merchant families, you probably should have written a letter to your father in the interim to explain things. quote:"How dare you, sir!" Tamrissa's father hissed as Mirra went into that full pout she had so much practice with. "Such denigration is actionable, which you'll find out when I have you hauled into court!" Spoilers - they won't do anything because Green doesn't write effective antagonists. quote:"Wait," she said, the intensity in her tone halting him more successfully than chains would have. "She won't speak to you now, and even more importantly won't listen. She's all locked up inside again, and needs time to get over the disappointment." Vallant: : Sir, I signed up for an action adventure fantasy tale about defeating Evil, not a romance soap opera. Summary: Day 5 Vallant and Lorand head back to their sessions and qualify by taking in more power to weave five strands. So does everybody else. Allestine and her henchmen show up to kidnap Jovvi and Tamrissa, only to be chased out after deadly displays of Fire and Air magic. Rion flirts with Jovvi, and Vallant flirts with Tamrissa, on their way to lunch. Jovvi and Lorand have weird sex in the bath house where she's lying on her back thinking of England while he's stroking her internal organs with his magic. Rion has an incel pity party for himself and Vallant indulges in murderous fantasies. Warla announces that Beldara and Eskin were moved out at dinner. Jovvi reinforces the . After dinner, we get a combined random encounter for Tamrissa and Vallant which kicks off the next drama in their relationship. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 8 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge MEALS ON-SCREEN: 13 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 9 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 27 COACH RIDES: 19 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 3 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 15 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 7 BLATANT MORALIZING: 16 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
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Actually it does make sense for Tamrissa to fall apart at the slightest upset because she's a victim of abuse with little capacity for trust. Particularly when her primary abuser, her father, is involved since he's spent her entire life manipulating her into accepting his word as gospel over the evidence of her own sense and senses. And the same applies to Rion; the power and control his mother exerted over his life he just assumes applies to the world at large because she's convinced him it does. And it also makes sense for Vallant to put his foot in how to handle it, because if you haven't been exposed to how abusers operate then it's genuinely baffling how much control they continue to exert over their victims who profess to hate and distrust them. The stuff he does to indicate he's a good and honest person isn't going to work here because Tam doesn't know what good, honest people are actually like. Jovvi's right that if he's going to chase after her and insist it's a lie, Tam won't accept it because her entire life has been a liar insisting that he's right. I don't remember if you're cutting the dad angle all together, so just in general- The better way to handle this (and the way Pride and Prejudice, the ancestor to all this hate-to-love romance, does) is for Jovvi to stop Vallant and tell him why Tam won't believe him and he's better leaving her alone. Vallant should then weigh respecting Tams boundaries (and thus acknowledging that she has them) with the need to clear his good name. After a little time passes he either slips a letter under the door or knocks and talks through it, explaining the Mira thing, apologizing for putting Tam in this position, and telling her he's going to leave her alone from now on if that's what she wants. And then he does just that. Actually, what would make for fun foreshadowing would be if every time the dad shows up, someone different claimed to be involved with Tamrissa. And give her dad the goons, so each person can show a reasonable defense or threat against them, and then Tam's power arc is her quickly and dismissively running them off when they pop up in the middle of dealing with a bigger problem.
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there wolf posted:Actually it does make sense for Tamrissa to fall apart at the slightest upset because she's a victim of abuse with little capacity for trust. Particularly when her primary abuser, her father, is involved since he's spent her entire life manipulating her into accepting his word as gospel over the evidence of her own sense and senses. And the same applies to Rion; the power and control his mother exerted over his life he just assumes applies to the world at large because she's convinced him it does. Fair points. Maybe what's bothering me is the execution. I'm slowly beginning to understand why even though it's really easy to fall into writing internal monologues (because hey, it's easier to explain how your characters are feeling), writing good internal monologues are difficult, especially if trying to do show, not tell. In Sanderson's 10th 2020 lecture, he suggests a rule of thumb of having introspection (internal monologues) comprise 20-30% of the text, with dialogue, description and beats (action) taking up 70-80% (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJfE-HMfSkk&t=2079s). He even suggests doing everything else you can think of first, and then going back to do introspection last, as a way of forcing yourself to practice getting good at writing the other things. We'll see how I go following this approach. I'm actually going to cheat with the NaNoWriMo. It's only a rewrite of Book 1 which is all "learning to fight with magic", so I don't need to have figured out every backstory and character arc detail of every member of the full Blending. What I do need to do is to pick one of them as the primary POV character and I'm 90% that I will stick with Lorand, mainly because I've done the most thinking of how the book would work that way. Assuming it goes well, Book 2 will be the primary focus on relationships and politics since that's a fundamental part of Blending and then Book 3 would be the overcoming the devastating evil.
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# ? Oct 2, 2020 02:50 |
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quote:CHAPTER THIRTY-NINE That's our Vallant, the opposite of the considerate big strong man love interest that Green had been trying to portray in the last chapter. Pity Jovvi didn't give him the concrete advice there wolf had outlined! quote:Unless Tamrissa had stopped up her ears she must have heard him, but not even a flicker in her eyes had supported that. She just went on eating quietly and calmly, ignoring Ro along with the rest of the world. Mardimil and Holter had looked faintly puzzled, but neither had asked any questions. This would have been some handy character motivations to convey back in Chapter 1! quote:Lorand remembered thinking about that as he began to cross the room, and then the craziest thing had happened. He'd tripped on and fallen over absolutely nothing, and ended up lying on top of the nothing. Feeling around finally gave him an idea about what it was, but that was even crazier. It felt just like the bales of hay which had contained his secret place, all the way down to the opening he would crawl through. The whole thing was a lot smoother, but more importantly it was also invisible. This is such contrived nonsense all for the sake of preventing the protagonists figuring anything out. quote:And besides all that, Lorand was too worried about what was ahead of them to spend time trying to thank someone gracefully. They'd gone in a different direction this morning, and now the coach was crossing a small bridge which seemed to lead out of the city proper. The road they traveled wasn't a wide one, and there were open fields on both sides of it. But not planted and tended fields. They'd been lying fallow for quite some time, and had gone mostly to grass. I am dying for some details here. What bridge? Which side of the city? What kind of major capital city has major farmlands immediately outside its surrounds? quote:A couple of miles up the road the coach began to slow, and then they turned off onto another road of the same size. But on this one it was possible to see structures in the distance, ones that didn't seem to be buildings. It wasn't yet possible to see what they were instead, but waiting until the coach moved closer didn't help much. Walls of smoky resin blocked easy sight of the things, leaving only hand-painted metal symbols of the various aspects to differentiate one section from another. Thinking further on writing introspection - maybe the problem is Green consistently has her characters engage in introspection while nothing else is happening. The introspection always occurs when everyone is sitting in a coach or in their room, where there's no other possibility of action going on. This thought about becoming strangers, more than they were initially, does reveal something about Lorand's character but he could easily have had that thought while doing or observing something interesting. quote:The idea was unsettling, but before he could fall too deeply into considering it, it was his turn to leave the coach-He stepped out onto a resin walk near the sign of Earth magic, then went through the opening in the wall with almost no hesitation. The coach kept on going, undoubtedly to the area to the left of this new road up ahead, where other coaches stood. There were also two ordinary buildings over there, one much larger than the other. A stable for the horses, then, and a posting house for the drivers. . . . This should be Lorand's cue to ask more about that guy nine years ago. quote:"Over there" was an area to the extreme left, a large one with comfortable chairs surrounding a core of tables and chairs obviously meant to be used for meals or snacks. There were a few people moving around some of the areas, but this one was empty. Why Green couldn't have just given us a good paragraph of strong description instead of all these vague dialogue lines and a 'tour', I will never know. quote:"Now, over here is our very first practice area," he said, leading the way to a series of smallish sections surrounded by smoky resin. "It's what you'll use to begin with, before you start the first of the competitions, but please don't confuse it with a warmup area. Those are arranged around the sections devoted to interactive competition, between that and the individual competition area." This is already much more interesting than any of the magic we've (barely) seen in the past...38 chapters - and why I kept saying that these masteries should be moved significantly earlier in the book! quote:Lorand nodded even as he tried to swallow against the roiling feeling in his middle. He'd wanted to ask about where the positive parts of his aspect came in, the ones you didn't use for something like attack or defense against attack. But asking something like that would have made him look naive, which could end up being a very bad mistake among these people. Predators think of the naive as prey, and even the round, overly pleasant Hestir was more wolf than sheep. Annnd this is why Book 1 should be all about learning to fight with magic as opposed to just doing magic. quote:"Oh, goodness, the morning sun is in that uncomfortable part of the sky again," Hestir exclaimed when they stepped into the first area. The sun was between two stands of trees visible in the distance, and glaring as only an early-morning sun on a soon-to-be warm day can. With nothing but empty air to block the sight of it, even squinting didn't help much. There you have it - Earth magic is insanely overpowered. Lorand can both explode objects and dismantle them apart in an instant, heal, affect people's bodies directly, control animals and encourage plant growth. quote:'I guess I'll have to try it and see," Lorand replied, working now to sound self-effacing. He wasn't about to mention that a bent nail was useless on a farm, but did rather well as a prop for a boy to impress the girls with. He'd be able to take that ingot apart a lot faster and more thoroughly than Hestir had—but not while the man watched. There was no sense in making accidental enemies, not in a place like hat. What exactly happens when an Earth magic user is taking apart an object? Are they reducing them into their constituent elements (and I mean elements as per the periodic table)? Is it the magical equivalent of "will it blend?" https://www.youtube.com/user/Blendtec quote:"Good man, that's the spirit," Hestir enthused, his broad mile back. "A willingness to try means everything, and is usually the difference between success and failure. Let's go on to the next area." Why would farming folks fear rats? Like I get hating rats, finding that they're pests because they chew through stuff, carry disease and eat what's been harvested, etc, but how, exactly, would some rats threaten Lorand's own survival or his family's? Surely you would have to have plague-like levels of rat infestations for that to happen. In which case, I want to read about THAT backstory! quote:'Now, here we're looking for something else entirely," Hestir said, just saving Lorand from making a fool of himself by refusing to take apart the rats. "Once again it's a matter of control dominating strength, as the rats aren't to be harmed, Here's what you have to learn to do." Lorand will only ever use this ability once outside of testing sessions, in Chapter 28 Book 6 which has a legitimately funny exchange of dialogue (probably the funniest in all 8 books). quote:When Lorand shrugged and nodded, Hestir smiled again and clapped him on the shoulder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnBMAEA3AM quote:"What I will be spending my time on is wondering how long it will take to reach the competitions," Lorand said, working to put the sort of upper class pettishness you sometimes heard from Mardimil in his own voice. "It's rather tiring, but all our funds have been depleted and we'll soon need to pay for our food or starve. That was told us right at the beginning, and the next payment time draws uncomfortably near." Right now Lorand only has 2 silver dins left and it costs 3 silver per week to eat. He's got 1 day to earn at least 1 mastery in order to pay up for next week's meals. quote:This time Lorand followed with a bit more eagerness, more than ready to begin. The only one of the first three areas he expected to have to practice was the first, and even that shouldn't take much time to master. Depending on what the next areas held, he could well be at the competitions before he knew it! If he had stacks of gold to offer Jovvi even before the matter of a High position became immediate, he might have a chance to change her mind. You might be quite disappointed to know that Jovvi has a literal stack of gold hidden in Tamrissa's house right now. Unless you had a mountain of gold, she's not going to change her mind. quote:"I won't demonstrate these next exercises," Hestir said, drawing Lorand from his thoughts. "They're either too messy for anything less than serious practice, or would require a replacement for some part or parts of what you must work with. This first, as you can see, is a large kettle of thick black liquid that doesn't smell very nice at all." In-text confirmation that Water magic only works on H2O and Earth magic can basically manipulate anything (other than pure water I guess???). Why would you want to have anything other than Earth magic in this world? If Lorand can disintegrate steel, then objects don't have to be relatively pure elements to work. What exactly are the limitations on his powers? Can he explode a person if he wanted to? quote:Hestir chattered on about nothing important as they walked toward the eating area, but Lorand wasn't fooled. The round, smaller man was trying to distract him from the fact that the Adept hadn't demonstrated those last two exercises because he couldn't. Hestir worked for the testing authority and was allowed to call himself an Adept, but in reality he wasn't very powerful. He must have qualified for the competitions in his day just as Lorand had in the last two, but he hadn't gone much beyond that. How do you know this Lorand? Come on, Green, you couldn't have had Lorand sense how much power Hestir was using? quote:So the question was, just how far would he go? How many of all the people who came here actually made it into the competitions? And there weren't that many Adepts. If you didn't make it and they had all the Adepts they needed, what then? What became of all those potential Highs who simply reached their limit? These questions would be a lot more engaging if we ever saw what Adepts or High practitioners do. Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 14 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 9 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 27 COACH RIDES: 20 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 3 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 16 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 8 BLATANT MORALIZING: 16 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: Nothing to add to what I've said before: cut the bloat, show don't tell and move this way earlier in the book. EDIT: fix misplaced quote tag Leng fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Oct 26, 2020 |
# ? Oct 2, 2020 05:28 |
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Before refrigeration and modern transportation, you'd need farms right outside of cities to supply them with fresh food. Today the whole locavore movement is encouraging more farming in and around urban areas, so it might make a comeback.
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# ? Oct 2, 2020 10:12 |
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That would make sense, except we know in this world Water magic users are basically walking ice makers! The transportation thing is probably the more relevant issue, though if you can travel from one edge of the Empire to the other in two weeks by public coach, well, it's not a very big Empire. It's so frustrating that we don't get any imagination at all about how the prevalence of magic should utterly change how everything works in this world. Jumping off your point about locavore movement and urban farming, why should this world rely on gigantic farms as we know them? If 15-20% of the population had some ability to encourage plant growth and affinity with growing things, why wouldn't you be designing cities that are effectively collections of self-sufficient biospheres? Why wouldn't neighborhood or community gardens be the rule rather than the exception? Even things like climate aren't necessarily a big issue, if you have Water magic to adjust humidity levels, Fire magic to adjust temperature and Air magic to manipulate shade and shelter. Instead of shipping food everywhere, the easier things to transport would be seeds, seedlings, live plants, fertiliser and livestock. The only farms that would make sense would probably those for large livestock, like cows, sheep, etc. Poultry are small enough that they don't pose massive problems in an urban area. I doubt they'd be farming fish and other seafood since population levels aren't usually to the point where over fishing is a problem (though who knows since we don't know anything about the population). I am probably way overthinking this. I know not everybody cares about world building. But this bugs me because it is immersion breaking for me and I hate that.
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# ? Oct 2, 2020 14:09 |
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quote:CHAPTER FORTY Jovvi's the only one who didn't do the boring braiding exercise, but now she's using the same language. Did Green forget about the balancing spheres thing or do Spirit magic users have to weave patterns as well? Spoilers for later books everyone has to weave the patterns so I'm actually not really sure why Jovvi was talking about balancing spheres earlier quote:So once the coach began to move she said, "He wasn't lying, you know. I was there last night when he reminded that woman to her face that they'd never been engaged, and that their relationship had ended before he left for Gan Garee. He also called your father some rather interesting names, then threw them both out. Your father threatened to take him to court, and he told him to go ahead and do it." Only one name and I wouldn't say "slimy cur" is interesting. quote:"Whether or not he was lying doesn't matter," Tamma replied after a moment, looking out the window rather than at Jovvi. "He never said a word about that woman, which let my father use her against me. I can't afford to give my father any more routes into my mind than he already has, so Dom Ro can find some other woman to charm. I'm sure the one last night was only a single representative of the hundreds he's gone through." I'm having a hard time telling which of the following upsets Tamrissa the most: jealousy of Mirra, thinking Vallant lied to her (by omission), or because she was blindsided by her father pulling a cheap trick. Her dialogue says it's the last one, but Jovvi's focusing on the first. You almost then have to go with the High talent in Spirit magic, but honestly that's a much less interesting characterization compared to the last. quote:"How can I trust someone who makes me more vulnerable so easily?" she asked, her gaze still firmly out the window. "He has no idea what I'm up against, and no real idea what I'll have to face if I lose. If someone makes you weaker rather than stronger, you're a fool to let them anywhere close. Besides, there are more important things to think about now, including whether or not we'll survive. We don't all have to, you know." What annoys me about Tamrissa is her hypocrisy. She expects full disclosure from others but provides none of it herself. Somehow Vallant was supposed to tell her everything about himself - including past lovers - in an afternoon walking in the garden on basically their first official "date" ever, but she wasn't going to mention anything about what she thinks she's up against in terms of her father, etc. quote:That suggestion chilled Jovvi so thoroughly that she let the subject drop. It wasn't as if she hadn't realized it herself at some level, she simply hadn't let herself think about it. Now she had to, and the thought made her strangely ill. How had Lorand gone from being an ordinary, interesting man to someone whose survival was vitally important? Even if they never found a way to be together, she couldn't bear the idea that he might not survive. There had to be a way, for all of them, and what she had to do was find it. "Ordinary, interesting man" is contradictory. Which is it? Also this is Day 6! The speed at which the emotional attachments between each romantic pairing have gone from 0 to 100 (or 100 to 0) makes me think Green's been following the typical K-drama plot structure for her romances. quote:The decision in favor of action rather than sitting around waiting for something to happen made Jovvi feel better. She looked out her window to see that they seemed to be heading out of the city, across a bridge into an area that ought to be filled with the estates of the rich. Anywhere else it would be, but Gan Garee apparently had another use for the area. Odd that there weren't estates and mansions anyway . . . So close yet so far. Why would this area normally be filled with rich estates? Is it the view? Is it because the soil's better for fancy gardens? Is it because there's marble deposits right underneath for building fancy mansions? No idea! And why would the testing authority be given access to the best real estate for training areas and arenas, especially if competitions are only held every 25 years? This is the worst utilization of prime real estate ever. quote:When they reached a road running parallel with a resin wall, the men's coach turned left and theirs turned right. Tamrissa was the first to get out when the coach stopped beside a metal sign painted with the standard Fire magic symbol, but she didn't simply leave. After a brief hesitation she put her hand over Jovvi's and squeezed gently and reassuringly, and then she got out of the coach. She hadn't met Jovvi's gaze, but she had wished her luck. This bit reminds me of the early stage directions I used to write where I would try to direct everything the actors are supposed to do. Maybe Green should try her hand at screenwriting instead of novel writing. It'd force her to rely on dialogue and action instead of internal monologue to tell the story, though we might end up with back to back fifteen minute soliloquies that actors have to deliver in one during scene changes. quote:It went quite a long distance, actually, before stopping beside a sign with the Spirit magic symbol. Jovvi discovered how reluctant she was to leave the coach when it came time to do it, but that didn't stop her any more than it ever had. She'd learned that simple problems could sometimes be run away from, but the rest had to be faced and defeated before it was safe to turn and walk away. Would have been nice to have Jovvi thinking about the last such problem she defeated where she learned this, instead of just telling us she did. quote:Jovvi closed the coach door behind her and headed for the opening in the resin wall, preferring not to picture deputies of the testing authority pursuing her. And they would come in pursuit, that was absolutely sure in a world of uncertainties. They went to a lot of trouble and expense gathering in all potential Highs, so there was no chance at all that they would shrug and forget about any who tried to escape them. They had to be avoided in a different way, most likely through the exercise of aspect power. To be honest I'm not really convinced, since there was that plot hole back in Chapter 10 when Vallant found out that if he had lost his coach ticket, he would have been released to go live on the street while somebody tried to identify him. But let's assume Jovvi's right - please explore this angle and cue project escape plan right now! quote:But the question still remained: how much power would be considered too much and how little too little? The entire situation screamed out a need for careful balance, but as Jovvi looked around at what lay behind the resin wall, she felt the frustration of not- knowing where the balance point lay. That was the key to all balance, knowing where the balance point was; without knowing, stabbing around in the dark after a hidden enemy would be just as productive. Pure luck might bring you success, but relying on luck was notoriously unreliable . . . What I find weird about Spirit magic is that it's the one talent we keep hearing about having a role of "balancing", even though most elemental philosophies would have every element having a counter element that needs to be balanced (e.g. Fire/Water, Air/Earth, Spirit/Void) or exist in some sort of cycle (e.g. Fire creates Earth contains Metal carries Water feeds Wood fuels Fire). In later books (Book 3 I think is the first mention), we'll hear that Fire magic has the role of guarding and attacking. Green will never go into the purpose of any other aspect. quote:"Good morning, my dear," a smooth, pleasant voice said, taking Jovvi's attention. "I'm delighted to see that another of us has made it." Ten years away from middle age? What's middle aged in this world? 35? 45? 70, since every Earth magic user can heal? quote:"I'm Genovir, the Adept who will be showing you around," the woman continued, putting out a friendly arm to draw Jovvi closer. "We'll have a cup of tea while I describe what you need to know, and then I'll get you started. Let's take that table over there." Why is any of this important to the plot? How does any of this reveal character? What new information does this give me about the world? quote:"There aren't many people around, and none at the other tables," Jovvi observed just as mildly. "Is everyone already at practice then?" First it's more comfortable chairs, now it's prompt tea service. If these are the perks that come with being a High practitioner, then I'm not really sure the ordeal is worth it. quote:Jovvi nodded and sipped her tea after adding sugar, then let her gaze wander over everything in sight. A canopy was suspended from poles high above their heads, ready to ward off the heat of a noon sun when it arrived. Beyond the area of tables where they sat was a wide lawn of lovely grass, interrupted only by four stone paths. Each path led to an odd-looking round structure of resin, two of them small, two large. The small ones were to the left and the large to the right, and Genovir noticed Jovvi's curiosity. I don't really care that Jovvi takes sugar in her tea since it's described so factually that it doesn't add anything to her character. Meanwhile, I still have serious white room syndrome. How high is "high"? What exactly is "odd-looking"? Does Jovvi not know the names of any shapes? quote:"The small buildings are practice areas, the large, competition areas," she supplied after sipping at her own tea. "The small resin building to the left is where you'll begin, at first taking up where you left off at the sessions. The only difference here is, you'll be facing the people whose emotions you must balance, rather than having them behind walls and out of sight somewhere." Is this message something that only Spirit magic users got or did everyone get the same message? How does that work if healers all have Earth magic and have to use their ability to heal their patients? Is it consistent across the Empire? Does it get conveyed during school? Did Jovvi even going to school, being a street kid? Is it just embedded as a social construct or are there laws against it? Who knows! quote:"You'll have six people to work with, and they'll begin by shaking fists at you and simply being angry," Genovir continued after the pause. "That will give you a sense of being endangered, which should help to get you past ingrained reluctance. And they'll all be standing together, which will make balancing their emotions easier. Once you've mastered that they'll separate into two groups, which you'll find is just a bit harder to handle. After that there will be three groups, and finally all six will stand individually around you. When you can meet and master that situation, you'll be ready to move on to the next small building." Reminder that Jovvi was balancing tiny spheres in fields of pitching emotions. I don't know about you guys, but I have trouble imagining what this looks like. Were the Spirit magic Adepts using their talent to generate a limited 2D area of effect where if you walk into this particular square, you would immediately feel this emotion? What about the pitching part of it? Was the intensity of the emotion fluctuating around in the square? Did their magic effectively make an emotion tangible so it could balance physical objects? I have so many questions about how Spirit magic works and I will never get any answers. quote:"The second small building is where you'll practice reversing what you did in the first," came the answer, the words so smooth and matter-of-fact that Jovvi was instantly on guard against showing the wrong reaction. "The people you'll be working with will just stand there, and it will be up to you to change serenity into anger, and perhaps into some of the other emotions. We can do both with our talent, you know. Unbalancing is merely the opposite side of the coin." Ok, how do you see someone's personality is shallow? Is Jovvi scanning through Genovir's mind right now? What did she see that made her conclude Genovir is shallow? quote:Jovvi sipped her tea in silence, trying to make sense of what now lay before her. The practicing she would soon do had a purpose, she couldn't be more certain of that. But the nature of the purpose was hidden behind requirements without explanation—and statements apparently designed to raise thoughtless protest. This red herring will go nowhere. quote:But in the meanwhile Jovvi would have to watch what she said and did. The day was growing brighter and more pleasant, an external outlook that didn't quite match Jovvi's inner one. She still had to find out how strong was considered too strong, and how weak too weak. Playing that balance was the only thing that would let her move forward in relative safety—until she reached the end of whatever line it was that she walked. You would think the socially savvy Littlefinger wannabe mind reader would use her conversational skills to do some investigation, instead of just sitting there asking the same questions as the hick farmer. Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 14 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 9 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 28 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 16 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 9 BLATANT MORALIZING: 16 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: Same as previous chapter and the comments in Chapters 1-10 about keeping only 1 POV. I don't need to see everybody gain their masteries unless it tells me something new about their character!
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# ? Oct 3, 2020 05:47 |
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I feel like some of these manifestations of Air magic should not be as comforting as they're made out to be. Your happy childhood memory is a dark, snug pocket where you go to hide? Here you go, have a completely transparent replica that leaves you fully exposed in the middle of the room.
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# ? Oct 3, 2020 08:37 |
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What's weird about it is all of these Air magic signs are taking place in completely private places. There's no reason for it to be invisible, and we know from Rion in Chapter 22 that Air magic practitioners can make air opaque! It didn't go into whether that meant Air magic can manipulate light and therefore Air magic users can train to be illusionists, but Jovvi and Lorand could totally have had opaque barrels and bales of hay to hide in, but they didn't because Green.
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# ? Oct 3, 2020 09:22 |
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Air magicians being able to do illusions would be a pretty cool expansion on their powers, particularly if you've got eight books you need to be leveling people up through. Or maybe it's actually the product of powers combing, like air and water, which would setup the eventual blending of all five. I think the worst part about the testing stuff is not that it is contradictory, but that the reason for it being so is never explained. If the idea is that the government is trying to suppress people's inherent power so a weaker elite can stay in charge, it makes sense for testing to be an inefficient mess, particularly if it grew that way over time from the suborning of a better system. Like finding highs was so important but they had an issue with bribes, so everyone was cut off from their funds and candidates were kept at the government's expense while going through the trials. Then that deteriorated into a voucher system, and then this lovely 'we keep you broke and then give you prizes for doing well thing they have now.' But Green makes it all seem like the inscrutable 3d chess of a master villain, instead. Realistically the contestants should be latching onto the contradictions as a sign that something isn't right here as much as anything else.
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# ? Oct 4, 2020 17:48 |
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there wolf posted:Air magicians being able to do illusions would be a pretty cool expansion on their powers, particularly if you've got eight books you need to be leveling people up through. Or maybe it's actually the product of powers combing, like air and water, which would setup the eventual blending of all five. My headcanon is that Book 5 spoilers Air + Sight magic = illusions, i.e. you could cast an illusion but it would have to be rooted in something that's within the realm of probability. The other problem with "nobody knows how Blending works" and the reason for the conspiracy theory is that Book 3 spoilers the mechanic for Blending is you reach other to each other and "connect" to each other, except this is described no differently than how you would form a link group. We've already had in-text descriptions of talents of different aspects working together to make resin, etc so how is it nobody ever thought hrmm, what happens if I do exactly the same thing except with one of each different aspect??
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# ? Oct 5, 2020 23:41 |
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quote:CHAPTER FORTY-ONE This would have been a more effective chapter if we had Rion wrestling with how exactly he's going to rescue Naran (on the proviso that the plan blows up in his face because the cardinal rule of storytelling is it's boring to show characters planning things and then have things go exactly as planned). quote:This time there were no guardsmen to bother with, so Rion walked through the opening in the resin wall. Beyond lay an open area which wasn't terribly large, then an expanse of ordinary tables and chairs, and then a stretch of lawn broken only by stone paths. Two small, round resin buildings stood beyond the lawn to the left, and two similar but larger buildings stood to the right. There was nothing to say what any of the buildings were for, and that annoyed Rion. I'm annoyed because this is the third identical description that we've got of the same place. If descriptions are supposed to reveal character then Lorand, Jovvi and Rion are all interchangeable. quote:"Good morning," a voice said, and Rion turned to see a man approaching him. The man was dressed plainly but rather well in blue trousers, a pale green shirt, and a light gray vest, but the expensive clothing would have looked better on a thinner man. This one obviously enjoyed indulging himself at the expense of his waistline, and even through sleeves his arms looked fleshy rather than muscular. A half beard circled his mouth and matched the brown of his hair, all of that ordinariness working to camouflage the sharp look in his dark brown eyes. There are so many other ways that this power struggle between Rion and Hallina could have played out. If she's that rich and influential, she could have bribed everyone he's in contact with to address him as Clarion, regardless of what his identification says. That would say a lot more than trying to change his identification back. If Hallina was going to go down that route, then she should have bribed someone in the residence to switch out the identifications while Rion's asleep. quote:"Now that we've settled that misunderstanding, let's take a cup of tea and discuss what you're here for." "Why yes we will have tea as we are very sophisticated, civilized, intelligent people of the very best society" quote:"That, I take it, is where the goings-on go on," he said, trying to lighten his mood. "Do any of the buildings relate to one another, or do they all have separate purposes?" Two things: 1) most applicants avoid the topic? I don't buy this. Most people should want to know what's involved, either because they're personally invested in the possibility of untold power, prestige and wealth or because of curiosity. 2) Rion has heard of people who were awarded High positions? Well WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING THIS UP EARLIER during your last bath house meeting? When you're trying to figure out what happened to the people who didn't make it, consider who made it and whether there's any patterns there is relevant information! quote:"The positions do indeed go to those most able to take and defend them. But my own position requires that I be certain the applicant under my wing is able to do his or her best, and in your case I'm not certain at all. Are you unaware of the fact that inner turmoil can and does interfere with the full use of your talent?" More obvious foreshadowing! Which will be promptly undone by the tell all explanation in Chapter 44. quote:"Having something to point to before my superiors would help a good deal," Padril admitted in turn, now studying Rion thoughtfully. "Suppose I describe what will be expected of you, and then you give me an estimate of how quickly you think you can accomplish each thing." Padril: "To pass your second level masteries, you need to suffocate other people. Most people can't do that for reasons that I, an odious sycophant without a conscience, have trouble understanding" Rion: "No worries my fellow sociopath, I've already practiced depriving two other non-voluntary humans of air so I got this bro" We'll see in Book 2 that the nobles practice on their own servants but we will never find out where they are getting these people for the commoner Spirit and Air magic applicants to practice on. I wonder if they're just poor people who volunteer to be repeatedly suffocated in exchange for money to feed themselves and their families, or if they're drugged mind controlled people kidnapped from the gutters. quote:"Marvelous," Padril breathed, leaning back again with shining eyes. "You've already practiced what many of those sharing our aspect are unable to manage at all. You certainly will be worth an enormous amount to the empire, and I feel privileged to be the one who will assist you. When you reach the competitions—But I haven't described the competitions yet, have I? What a fool I am, to be so easily distracted by magnificence." Rion's sarcasm meter is broken. quote:"Oh, you'll undoubtedly soon be swimming in gold," Padril said with another laugh, then leaned forward again. "The first competitions are merely time trials, you and the others of your level working to see who can do the most the fastest. You'll certainly win there rather easily, and then you'll face others of your new level in true competition. Each of you will try to take the other's air while keeping your own, and at each stage more people will be added to 'your' side. When you win there, the gold will really begin to flow." Spoilers for Books 2 and 3 it seems like Green planned for there to be another round of competitions between the time trials and the actual Blending competitions, but this never happens. I would bet it got cut because Green ran out of page count since the masteries don't even wrap up until 2/3s of the way through Book 2 quote:"I can hardly wait," Rion said, leaning back in his chair while visions of true independence flowed lazily through his mind. His power and importance would exceed Mother's rather than simply equaling what she wielded, and his happiness would thereafter be assured. No one would dare to tell him what to do or when and how to do it, and his protection of the sweet and lovely Naran would be personal and constant. I can hardly wait to see how long this instance of characterization sticks around. quote:"I'm glad you were first to mention waiting," Padril said, bringing him back to the currently-real world. "I, too, can hardly wait to see what you'll accomplish, so what say we finish our tea and get you started, eh? The sooner begun, the sooner on to greater things." Rion's ability to read emotions is also broken. "Pleased" and "satisfied" aren't exactly deep emotions. Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 14 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 9 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 30 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 16 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 10 BLATANT MORALIZING: 16 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: If we're talking in terms of overall narrative, same as previous chapter. I could see potential for doing this chapter from the POV of one of the random people acting as test subjects in a prologue or an interlude of some sort, so we can see how terrifying these people are, instead of being bored by braiding braiding braiding. Come to think of it, this would be a good POV to seed some world building around how effectively (or ineffectively) the government is at running things and what the average downtrodden peasant is doing to get by.
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 02:00 |
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We're getting so close and these chapters are so short, I'm going to try and power through this by tomorrow, then take a break to binge read all of Wintersteel (Cradle 8) in one sitting before I come back to finish off the first five chapters of Book 2 as promised.quote:CHAPTER FORTY-TWO Vallant is like that person early on in a relationship who never goes into any real specifics about their past love life because they know they're going to get a bad reaction. I kinda feel for him though, because I don't know that full disclosure would have done him any good with Tamrissa. Wow. It took 41 chapters before I could feel any sympathy for this guy. Just saying. quote:Just inside the smoky resin wall was an open area, with tables and chairs arranged to the left and cubicles of some sort about fifty feet ahead. To the right of the cubicles and another fifty feet beyond them stood a round building made of milky-white resin. The arrangement looked ordinary rather than threatening, and even the cubicles were mostly open and larger than what we'd used during the sessions. Not only do we have protagonists that feel like copies of each other, we also have the same for random infodump characters! quote:"Good afternoon," she said rather dryly, stopping about five feet away to look me up and down. "It's about time you got here." That typo exists in the ebook, though I wouldn't be surprised if it got missed in the print. Also this exchange is so on-the-nose that I'm cringing. quote:"These tables are where we take our lunch and any re-refreshment we might want," Soonen continued, waving a hand without looking toward the objects she discussed. "There are bells on the posts scattered through the area, and when you want service you just ring one of them. Now come this way." What? What does that mean? Fire magic is pretty straightforward - it increases the temperature of the target object. Control involves being able to target objects precisely and managing the speed of temperature increase. Lighting a forest fire? Very imprecise rapid temperature increase. Drying damp towels? Precise gradual temperature increase. Handling other things is not really part of the mechanic here. quote:She turned away from me and walked into the cubicle, then stepped down hard on the end of a long lever. The lever was attached to a wide box, whose lid flew open to allow a shower of dirt to be thrown up into the air. The cloud of dirt spread out even before the lid closed again, but it never got the chance to settle down onto the floor of the cubicle. There were suddenly flames all through the cloud, and when they disappeared there wasn't a speck of dirt left. How is Tamrissa the only one to think to do this? I mean, fine, Lorand is the only other one to get a demonstration but if you can follow what someone's doing simply by using your talent, why wouldn't you do that all the time? quote:"Now, in this second practice area you'll find something different," Soonen went on, walking into the next cubicle. "And if you thought burning dirt was hard, wait until you try this." I guess nobody in these books is capable of any subtlety because if they were, it would all be beyond the protagonists' abilities to deduce what's going on. quote:"These following rooms are variations on the third, with progressively more delicate—and flammable—materials," Soonen said, pointing into the next cubicle without looking at me this time. "Here you'll find wedges of leather, then strips of cloth, and finally a pile of feathers. Mastery there will require you to burn one single feather of a particular color at a time until ten are done, with your examiner pointing out which feathers to burn when." What? So talent distribution isn't even? Is is a reflection on the genetic distribution of magical talent or a reflection on the magical traits that the society has encouraged to develop? quote:I almost told her that waiting for someone else to give you a chance was the same as refusing to try because you weren't sure you could do something. I was hardly the possessor of the world's greatest amount of self-confidence, and trying even when you aren't sure is horribly difficult. But it has to be something you do, something you make up your mind to try even if you're sure you'll fail. No one can decide on that for you, just as no one can give you a chance. You must find your own chances, or live your life without them. I'm starting to wonder if most of the blatant moralizing is coming in Tamrissa's chapters because Tamrissa is the author's self-insert. quote:"You don't have to worry about the last set of exercises until you master these first ones," Soonen continued, now sounding a shade angrier than she had. "They're a repetition of the first set, with the addition of an Adept, in this case me, trying to burn your delicate little toes while you perform each exercise. You must learn to defend yourself while doing something else with your talent, and this is the best way to make an applicant understand the need." More in-text stuff about something that I'm pretty sure got cut during editing Books 2 and 3! One on one battles would be more interesting than this stuff, and this stuff is more interesting than the braiding braiding braiding. quote:"What about the gold?" I choked out, more furious than I could ever remember being. "We were told we'd be able to win gold, but no one said it would take so long to reach a position where it's possible. What are we supposed to meet our obligations with in the meanwhile?" If anyone's counting, Tamrissa gets to earn more silver than anybody else because she's got a larger number of masteries to demonstrate than the other aspects. I don't know whether Green inherently decided that it's because Fire magic requires more control or because she couldn't be bothered thinking up additional masteries for the other aspects. quote:Well, that wasn't going to happen. I walked back to the area containing tables and chairs, rang one of the bells, then sat at a table. I would have my cup of tea and regain control over myself, and then I would start the first of those exercises. I didn't yet need the silver din I would earn with each mastery, but by next week's end I would. I'd be much happier having the silver before I needed it, and that's why I was eager to start. To earn the silver, not to prove something to that stupid woman. . . Green's inability to tell when she should end a chapter and when she shouldn't irritates me no end. Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 14 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 10 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 30 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 16 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 11 BLATANT MORALIZING: 17 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: Further reflection says each of the first five "how do I get mastery" chapters should have been condensed into like three paragraphs of exposition and combined with the "actually getting my first level mastery" chapters that kick off Book 2. And then 4 of those 5 chapters should get nixed because 1 POV. Or we do the whole thing like magical Olympics like the athletics and track events where all the events are going on in the same arena. Ok, I just realized the basic premise here is really magical Olympics, only instead of gold medals, the winners get to rule the Empire. In which case the usual plot archetype that applies is "underdog sports story" à la Cool Runnings and Mighty Ducks, though the meta-narratives that go with those two that might be boring here and we should go for more of a Miracle situation what with the Empire being up for grabs.
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# ? Oct 6, 2020 05:10 |
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Welp, so Wintersteel was automatically downloaded to my Kindle about an hour after my last post, so I have ALREADY binge read it. Two chapters left in Book 1 so let's get this done so I can go and binge read it AGAIN (because it was that good).quote:CHAPTER FORTY-THREE This is a hilarious typo in the ebook. Vallant is lucky he's a character in fantasy 17th century Britain. He would not be able to cope with Tinder. Though now I kind of want to see Book 5 spoilers Naran and Jovvi link up to provide a match making Tinder like service, where Naran considers someone's future probable romantic partners and Jovvi helps her beam her Sight into the customer's head, and the customer just mentally swipes left or right on each person that would make so much more money than Jovvi's courtesan gig. quote:If someone knew the answer to that, it wasn't Vallant. When the coach finally stopped beside a metal representation of the Water symbol, he still hadn't thought of anything. But Holter was leaving the coach, so he had no choice but to do the same. Mardimil had already left without Vallant's noticing, and he himself was outside with the coach beginning to move before he realized he hadn't said anything to Coll. It wouldn't have hurt to wish the other man good luck, and then he might have even gotten the wish returned. . .. You're a super fit sailor captain dude, I'm fairly sure if you want to wish Lorand good luck you could run after the coach, holler at the top of your lungs and he'd hear it. quote:But the opening in the milky-white resin wall didn't seem to lead into anything but more outside, so Vallant followed Holter with only the smallest hesitation. Just beyond the wall was an open space, with tables and chairs arranged to the right. Straight ahead about fifty feet away was a line of odd-looking cubicles, and unless Vallant was mistaken there were no back walls or ceilings to them. That came as an incredible relief, even with the presence of a large, round, white resin building visible a short distance beyond the cubicle. It might be possible to avoid going into that building, at least for a time. Did Vallant suddenly turn into Rion? Why is he noticing other people's clothes? quote:The second, thinner man wore a faint smile as well as showing greater self-confidence, but he also gave the impression of holding himself away from his companion. As if to avoid contamination, Vallant thought, which meant he was too late by years. His smile showed he'd already been contaminated by the assumption that he was better than the crude sort of man ever could be, which made Vallant sigh. Now random minor characters are giving us excuses for why Green couldn't write more effectively? There's no other justifications for why you can't just do mass inductions where there would be more characters interacting with each other, except "because". quote:"My friend doesn't seem to be havin' tea," Vallant observed as he followed Wimand to the table the other man had gestured toward. "He and Podon are goin' straight to that first cubicle on the left, and Podon is tellin' him somethin'." Any American goons care to explain how this fits with Green's politics? I'm lost - I thought Republicans were the ones who are all against Democratic "elitism" and all that, or is classism supposed to be a stand-in for racism since there's no indication anywhere in the books that any of the characters aren't white? Except then that would make the protagonists on the wrong side of the morals here. quote:"That first exercise room and the one next to it have the same purpose, but use different methods," Wimand explained. "Your task will be to create spheres of water around first one group of objects and then two groups, and then more all the way up to six separate groups. The first room has a large vat of water for you to work with, but in the second you'll need to draw your moisture from the air." Seems to me that this is encouraging the exact opposite of flexibility! What I like about Sanderson and Will Wight is they build their magic systems with a reasonable level of depth and tell their stories so we as readers understand exactly what can be done with the magic. Then, they develop their characters throughout the course of the story and let the characters use magic to solve problems in ways that are consistent with who they are and their motivations. Green obviously predates both of them but she's a contemporary of Robert Jordan. Even if the magic system in Wheel of Time is significantly more fuzzy compared to a Sanderson one, Jordan's still defined enough rules around balefire, the Mask of Mirrors, gateways, skimming, etc that we can understand the powers at the disposal of the characters. Though I guess the point of this rant is not about how Green has (or has not) built her magic system, it's more than she's forgotten to let her characters drive the plot. quote:Vallant turned back to see that Podon had pulled on a rope, and water was obediently pouring out of the box and into a bucket. He wondered just how large the proper area inside the box really was, but didn't ask. Once he began to practice, he'd certainly find out. So is line of sight a limitation or not? If Vallant can reach clouds 20,000 feet/6 kms up in the sky, does that mean he could dunk someone in a cold bath 6 kms away in the next town? quote:"Ah, the competitions," Vallant said, turning his head to look directly at the so-called Adept. "That's what I've been lookin' forward to hearin' about, since that's where the chance to win gold lies. What's involved there, and how long will I have to starve before I get a chance to try it?" Convergence was published in 1996 with Competitions following in 1997. Surely Green HAD to have handed in a manuscript for Book 2 before things got locked in for printing to fix this repeated plothole about facing someone from the next level up in Book 1. Though maybe doing a print run back in those days was a lot harder to change the proofs, etc compared to today. My other hypothesis is Green kept missing her deadline for the first book so her editor dragged whatever mess of a manuscript she had at that point and arbitrarily chopped off the book at a reasonable word count for the sake of getting something printed. quote:"I thought that was probably what it was for," Vallant commented as casually as possible while his insides turned over. "But I haven't even begun the exercises yet, so the buildin' won't concern me for some time. And speakin' about the exercises, when can I get started?" This seems extremely shortsighted - they go to the effort of collecting all of these High talents and don't build enough facilities for them to all practice at the same time? quote:"Only until the man reaches his limit," Wimand reminded him with a smirking smile as he stirred in his chair. "I know that won't take very long at all, so your patience will soon be rewarded. Right now we could use another pot of tea, and perhaps a few sweet cakes to keep it company." How do you even walk into a house or an inn or a tavern or bathhouse or anything else? Why is it that only testing buildings are setting off your claustrophobia? quote:Vallant smiled and nodded to whatever Wimand happened to be saying, privately wishing it were possible for him to hide somewhere. He had to compete and win if he wanted to keep up with Tamrissa, as the girl would find some way to win even if she had to half-kill herself to do it. Vallant had no doubts about that, any more than he doubted his own ability. If the competitions were held outside, nothing would keep him from winning either. Oh right, Green needs to keep all her characters progressing at the same level. Why??? When characters aren't progressing equally, it creates conflict and tension! Literally half of the tension in Will Wight's Cradle series is about the protagonists trying to catch up to each other or fearing being left behind. Is it revolutionary? No! Is it interesting? Yes! Why? Because characters are doing things to solve their perceived problems! And we get massive, massive, massive payoffs for their struggles that make the book incredibly satisfying as a reader. quote:But they weren't held outside, and he had to sip from his teacup to hide the bleakness that touched him at that thought. First Tamrissa refused to acknowledge him, then he was saddled with a prejudiced fool as a mentor, and now this devastating news about the competitions. On some level he'd known it would probably be that way, but he hadn't wanted to think about it. No competitions meant no advancement, which would put him in the same class as the fool Wimand. Calling it now, The Blending was the original Western take on wuxia/xianxia/progression fantasy, except Green probably doesn't watch or read anything in that genre so has no clue how to adapt the tropes that make that genre work. quote:That thought held only for an instant, and then Vallant had to work to keep himself from stiffening. Wimand and the other Adepts worked with applicants, but after this week's end there would be no more applicants this year. That would put the current Adepts out of work, so the testing authority wasn't likely to take on any others. What, then, would happen to those applicants who didn't advance? The question had been asked before, but suddenly it had become a good deal more imminent. Just in case you forget about the going around. quote:". . . and you really must try the fish here for lunch one day," Wimand was saying while he examined the sweet cakes which had been brought. "It's absolutely marvelous, but that's only to be expected. Successful applicants will certainly become very important men, and no one would wish to get on the bad side of a very important man." Stop. Objectifying. Women. quote:It took something of an effort for Vallant to calm himself, and in some odd way it didn't work completely. A small part of him had become fired up by the anger, and that part had made a decision. Somehow, some way, he was going to qualify for those competitions, enter them, and win. And after that he would have a talk with Tamrissa, one she would not be able to ignore. And maybe that talk ought to come first, while he was in the midst of accomplishing the rest. He didn't need the distraction of their not getting along; what he needed was her. This internal monologue is giving off such bad controlling vibes. quote:Having made that decision caused Vallant to sit a bit straighter, and even to smile to himself. The prospect of forcing a potential High in Fire magic to listen to him wasn't one he should be looking forward to, but insanity had obviously claimed him. He couldn't wait to get Tamrissa alone to try his best, and if he ended up singed ... or even burned to ashes . . . wouldn't that be better than having to live his life without her? Just...reread that again. And again. And then realize that internal monologue would not be out of place from an obsessive stalker rapist. Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 18 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 14 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 10 General: Unnamed Chairman and the five Seated Highs in each aspect Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 31 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 2 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 16 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 8 TEA DRINKING: 12 BLATANT MORALIZING: 18 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: I got nothing to add other than that Vallant's getting completely shafted in terms of the masteries he's earning. Surrounding things with water, filling a visible thing with water and then filling a hidden thing with water apparently only counts as three masteries, even though he has to do the same number of variations within each task and the equivalent variations in Spirit and Air magic are counted as distinct masteries in those aspects.
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 04:18 |
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Alright guys, this is it! Here is the end of Book 1.quote:CHAPTER FORTY-FOUR Our first Eltrina POV, where Green is attempting to write a femme fatale. She qualifies as a major antagonist and will be hanging around for the sequel trilogy. quote:"You may be seated," Ollon said to the others once he and Eltrina were in their chairs, hers the first one to his right. There were still more than a dozen liaisons present, although by meeting's end that number would be lessened as more files were closed out. Looking at Ollon's strong handsomeness, the man still broad-shouldered and vital despite the gray in his blond hair to match the gray in his eyes, Eltrina wondered how most of the others could be eager about no longer needing to report to him. Possibly because they're not banging him. I wish Green would come up with some different physical characteristic of handsomeness other than "broad-shouldered". We can't count "strong handsomeness" because it's so far up the pyramid of abstraction that it's hanging in the sky above the apex. quote:"It always pleases me to reach the final week of categorization," Ollon told them after leaning back in his chair, letting his cold gray gaze touch each of them in turn. "There will be no further applicants arriving until after the beginning of the new year, and then this process will start all over again. Some of you will find it possible to pursue other interests until then, and I do believe I'm beginning to envy you. Twenty-six years of seeing this through to its ever-surprising end has grown rather nervewracking in my old age." I think Green is poking fun at these characters. Sometimes it's hard to tell because the truly funny moments in these books are few and far between. quote:"We'll begin with those of you who have closed out the residences you've been responsible for," Ollon said once the laughter had ended. "You may submit your final reports and then leave." Why couldn't these reports have been submitted before hand? He's not even taking a verbal report like last time. Though it's unclear that it was actually Ollon Kapmar back in Chapter 16. quote:"This year our efforts have a double purpose," Ollon said once the four had left and closed the door behind them. "In most respects it will be business as usual, but I caution you again to keep in mind that this is a twenty-fifth year. There must be an absolute minimum of five challenging common Blendings to match the five put forward by our noble brothers, so you mustn't waste anyone capable of being put into one. Begin thinking now about which of your charges will be saved, and which will be fed to our Seated Highs." Books 4 and 5 spoilers Kogrin's father is leading the army at the Astindan front, which is steadily losing ground due to Astinda finally having pulled together ten High Blendings bent on vengeance. More High talents are needed for the Gandistran army, which is comprised entirely of like aspect link groups. quote:"All of you have written reports, I know, but I'll need an oral summary for my own preliminary report," Ollon continued after sipping at the cup of tea which servants had provided before the meeting began. "I have an appointment with one of the Advisors this afternoon, after which he means to leave for a few days of personal enjoyment. By the time he returns everything will have been settled, and I'd very much like to tell him then that nothing but small details need be added to my report. Lady Eltrina, you may begin." So why did you let the previous four people go? quote:"Of course, Lord Ollon," Eltrina replied with her best smile, privately laughing at the others. They would now be terrified of giving Ollon incorrect information, but she had nothing of the same to worry about. "I still have four residences under my wing, and I've already begun to rearrange them with an eye toward this being a twenty-fifth year. I expect to have at least one full Blending to offer for the Grand Competition, possibly two." These antagonists are so incompetent that anybody with half a mind with some tendency towards forethought is apparently formidable. How are we as readers supposed to believe there any credible threat to our protagonists? quote:Ollon smiled when he said that, which kept the others at the table quiet despite their displeasure. Eltrina had managed to become his second in command, and it was no longer possible for any of them to stop her. Hello random spoiler laden infodump AT THE END OF THE FREAKING BOOK. We will find out in Book 2 or 3 that there are laws against knowing too much about Blending (with "too much" never actually being defined). This is a weird display of an excessive level of knowledge on Eltrina's part that theoretically should be a death warrant for her but of course it doesn't seem to matter because who needs any consistency in this world? quote:"And so they shall," Ollon agreed, sending her a personal smile before giving his attention again to the others. "Make sure Lady Eltrina is fully informed about every applicant in your residences, most especially in the matter of the sorts of problems she's mentioned. All five of the challenging Blend-ings must look capable, but we certainly don't want them to be anything but handicapped. Do any of you have questions for Lady Eltrina or myself? No? Then let me ask a question you've heard before, but one which is still supremely important. Have any of you seen even a hint that one of your people may be one of those mentioned in the Prophecies?" I had not remembered this bit. Maybe Ollon really is the chairman from Chapter 16. In which case why did we NOT just have Chapter 16 from his POV instead of third person omniscient? quote:"Very well then, let's get on with what we're here for," Ollon said, turning his attention to one attendee in particular. "Lord Miklas, would you do us the courtesy of being next with your verbal report?" I'm actually feeling some empathy for Miklas here, since this is definitely a thing I am guilty of. quote:Yes, success at last. Eltrina breathed deeply with the pleasure of the thought, knowing she'd finally found her proper footing. One day soon she would have Ollon's position, and when that happened she'd also have the power to rid herself of the tedious bore she'd been forced to marry. Then she would be free to do as she pleased, but first she had to prove her brilliance by making all of Ollon's plans go as he wanted them to. Just that, with her as his fully-acknowledged second in command, and then it would be time for a terrible accident to befall poor Ollon. . . . Again, subtlety is not anybody's strong suit in these books. quote:Eltrina smiled to herself as Miklas droned on, then she made a deliberate effort to listen to the man. She intended to know everything necessary, so that nothing would ruin her plans and Ollon's. Nothing would go wrong, not with all the preparations she'd made, and then, after the unfortunate demise of all those challenging Blendings, she'd have her reward. She'd earned it, she deserved it, and soon she would have it. . . . You JUST said you didn't need to listen to anything he said except to the end of his verbal report! quote:Those of you reading this in what we consider the future must now be wondering just when I'm writing this account. The others didn't want me to say, but how can you decide how to take it without knowing that piece of information? I don't think you can, so I'll tell you—in a way. I don't want you to picture me sitting in the Palace of the five, grandly writing our history after we won the day. We've done only a little winning, and the most important battle is still ahead of us. Before the day of facing that comes, we wanted to put down everything that's happened until now. Book 5 spoilers she's writing this before they're about to face the strongest Astindan High Blending. Tamrissa! I'm not wondering WHEN you're writing this account, I'm wondering HOW you're in Eltrina Razas's head considering that you do not have access to her thoughts and memories between now and the point in time at which you're writing this AND I'm wondering WHY you still feel the need to provide this inane commentary despite promising to stop before. quote:Because chances are good that we won't survive. The Prophecies say that we're needed to win, not that we will win. There's a big difference there, and every day that passes brings us a better understanding of that difference. Thinking about it is enough to make some of us ill, so that same some of us try not to think about it. Great lot of good it does. . . . The information from the relevant chapter in Book 5 when they are learning about the Prophecies: "Beware and be warned. In three hundred years will come a time of greatest crisis, a time when the teachings of wisdom are no longer followed. This will presage the reappearance of the devastating evil of the Four, which nearly destroyed our empire. In this time of crisis there will appear a Chosen Blending, and there will be no doubt of their identity. They will stand against the reemergent evil, and will do their utmost to triumph." That last part almost comes close to being an actual prophecy, but leave it to Green to spoil the ending of her first series at the end of the first book. quote:But I still haven't come really close to what the five of us consider present day, so I'd better continue with this. The opposing five we ultimately came up against were already together and getting ready for us, but happily we didn't know that. We had other problems, big and small, and the first thing to happen was. . . .' This is the end of Book 1. All 181,539 words of it. I am not kidding you. There are no more words after this. Green literally has Tamrissa trail off like this in the middle of her pointless narration. This is why I'm gonna do the first five chapters of Book 2 before we take a brief break for NaNoWriMo. Summary: Day 6 Eltrina attends a status update and gets herself openly acknowledged as the unofficial noble 2IC on Project Competitions by the boss she's banging on the basis that she is the only one with a bare minimum of competence. I'll do an overall summary of Book 1 after we make it through the first five chapters of Book 2. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 21 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis, Kogrin, Lemmis Admen, Miklas TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 14 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 11 General: Unnamed Chairman/Ollon Kapmar (?) and the five Seated Highs in each aspect, Eltrina Razas Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 32 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 3 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 17 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 9 TEA DRINKING: 13 BLATANT MORALIZING: 18 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: The whole arc of this book needs fixing, along the lines described in my comments on Chapter 34. Wintersteel is about 145,000 words and Wight gave us SO MANY PAYOFFS my head is still reeling barely 12 hours after finishing the book. Convergence is 25% longer and there are ZERO payoffs. I hate Green's writing so much. I don't mind having Eltrina as a POV since antagonist POVs can be interesting and effective if done well, especially if the antagonist is a compelling character. Unfortunately, we don't learn anything else about the balance of political power amongst the nobility, why they are constantly jockeying for position except for "more power/influence" and we don't really get a unique spin on Eltrina's motivations. Is it duty to the Empire? Is it sheer indoctrinated hatred of the lower classes? Is it simply unchecked personal ambition? Is it simmering resentment for being constantly overlooked for her competence? We'll never know! One thing the rewrite desperately needs is a well-developed antagonist and there's no shortage of them to pick from! What's going to be a lot harder is working out how to stack the antagonist arcs on top of the protagonist's arc and the overall narrative arc. The other thing I'm finding fascinating is what Sanderson has done in Stormlight by spoilers for Way of Kings, Words of Radiance and Oathbringer starting Moash as a minor antagonist who laughs at Kaladin's efforts to remake Bridge 4, becomes Kaladin's best friend and closest confidant and eventually turns into a twisted version of Kaladin and becomes a serious antagonist at the end of Book 4 and wonder if I could do something similar for Lorand/Hat where Hat starts out as Lorand's best friend and ends up a serious rival by the end of Book 1, things are said/done in Book 2 that has Hat end up as a pretty serious antagonist, and then stuff happens in Book 3 so Hat ultimately gets a redemption arc and sacrifices himself to save Lorand as in Green's Book 5. Anyway, enough speculating for now! We've got five more chapters to go before we wrap this up about this time next week and turn our minds towards a NaNoWriMo rewrite.
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 05:47 |
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Green's politics are libertarian, which is just some weird version of liberal that uses meritocracy like the will of heaven- If you're successful then you deserve it, if you're not successful the you didn't want it hard enough and you don't deserve it. If they're not successful than an evil cabal of elites are keeping them down with a corrupt system. In the context of US politics that makes her conservative and probably a Republican because a false adulation of working class people over lazy poors is pretty key to those people.
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 19:59 |
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Wait, that's it? No payoff for the fireballs? Nothing about the weird magical constructs in the residence? I can see leaving them as hooks for the next book, but you need some hints of why these things are happening to keep the reader interested. Also maybe show the antagonist(s) working their plot in the background rather than dropping it all in the last chapter. What a profoundly unsatisfying story. I doubt I would have picked up book 2 on the strength of that.
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# ? Oct 7, 2020 23:14 |
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Yep, that's all she wrote for Book 1. No payoffs, nothing. Stephanie Meyer gets a lot of hate for how badly written the Twilight books are but you can see she at least attempted something that looks like a reasonable story arc with various events building to a confrontation and then having some payoffs. Green doesn't seem to have grasped that concept, despite apparently graduating with a B.A. from NYU (though there's no info on what her B.A. was actually in so maybe she didn't actually study writing or literature or drama). Now that we've finished Book 1, let's take a look at what was promised in the blurb on the back cover: quote:"In a world of magical adepts, every quarter-century the five talents must he brought only this powerful union of can prevent the prophesied return of the Evil Ones who once enslaved the land." What I thought when I read the blurb: "oh cool, we're gonna get an epic elemental magical battle at the end of the book where they defeat the Evil Seated Four." After reading the entire book:
But hey, don't take my word for it, given that I am a confirmed hater of these books. Let's take a look at what someone who loves these books say: Trista Robichaud posted:If you like shoujo anime and/or Game of Thrones scheming, I encourage you to check out this series. Give yourself some time to fall in love with the characters and see them through to the end. I doubt you’ll be disappointed. Somehow I do not think this person has actually read Game of Thrones.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 04:49 |
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Book 2: Competitions Here is the blurb, which we'll revisit when we finish Book 2: quote:The perfect Blending of the primary basics of the known universe-Earth, Air, Fire, Spirit and Water-will create unimaginable power. Power enough to hold off the dread Evil Ones for yet another quarter-century... Power enough to rule the world... We open with Tamrissa narration that appears on the first page right after the front matter before the start of Chapter 1: quote:You may be wondering why I broke off the story so abruptly, so I’ll tell you: things have been happening. Those early days didn’t seem quiet and peaceful when they were happening, but compared to what’s going on now…. Well, letting you know what happened is one of the reasons I’m writing this, but telling you things out of order will just confuse you. Whoever you are, whenever you’re reading this… and however things turned out. I’ll just continue on as if I really believe we’ll succeed in the end…and that we’ll all survive…. quote:CHAPTER ONE A reminder that this is all in Tamrissa's journal and there is no reason to give people a "reminder" in the journal because it's YOUR FREAKING JOURNAL TAMRISSA. Are you journalling or are you writing your memoirs or are you an author pretending to be a character writing a journal? quote:Lorand poured himself another cup of tea and sat back with it, looking around while giving his food a chance to settle. There were thirty or forty people sitting in or moving around the area, some of them grouped together like friends but most as alone as he was. They were all practitioners of Earth magic like himself and were supposed to be there to qualify for the competitions, but he’d been the only one practicing this morning. Hello unsubtle foreshadowing! quote:A bird trilled happily from its perch atop the resin wall of one of the practice areas, and Lorand looked up to see that it was the same bird that had kept him company all morning. The feathery practicing-supporter had appeared right after Lorand’s Adept guide, Hestir, had left him to his solitary practice, and it had really seemed to be there to support Lorand. It had chirped encouragingly when he’d hesitated, crooned reassurance when he’d made his tries, and had sung for all it was worth when he’d succeeded. It was as though it knew he needed support to get through the time, and had come just to give that support… Even more obvious foreshadowing! quote:“Well, Lorand, all finished with lunch, dear boy?” a voice asked suddenly, and then Hestir, his Adept guide, was sitting down at his table. Hestir was a man in his middle years, not as tall as Lorand and considerably rounder, with a round and friendly face, brown hair, and mild brown eyes. “Was the food as good as I said it would be?” Green's really taking her "duty" to remind us what happened in Book 1 seriously. We've hit:
I feel like my intelligence as a reader has been insulted. quote:Lorand let Hestir lead the way to the first practice area, which contained nothing but a pile of soil. The Adept stepped aside to give Lorand room to walk in, and then it was time. After two or three false starts Lorand had found the key to handling the mound of soil properly without needing to draw in more power than he’d already been using, a discovery that had come as a great relief. Using larger and larger amounts of power was very dangerous, and Lorand couldn’t seem to get around picturing himself burned out and mindless, just as that little girl had been so many years ago… A reminder that the last 5-6 chapters of Book 1 consisted of everyone obsessing over how hard getting the first level masteries are. Green considered it enough of a suspense to function as "cliffhanger" for the whole first book with the payoff in the opening chapters of Book 2. I did not feel a sense of suspense at the end of Book 1, just irritation. And now I do not feel any sense of satisfaction at the "payoff", because it's incredibly boring. quote:Which meant there was no excuse to put off trying the second practice problem. An iron ingot stood in the middle of the cubicle, and Lorand reached to it with the fingers of his talent. He could feel everything about the metal that way, every smoothness and flaw, almost every grain of it. Of course, metal didn’t come in grains, at least not after it was worked, but the memory of being ore seemed to be part of even a molded ingot. Strange, but not something to be worried about now… Green must have had a very different childhood to me if she thinks a guy disintegrating a nail would be impressive. What would have been impressed teenaged me (ok, maybe even current me) is a guy using Earth magic to charm/tame dangerous predators. quote:Lorand nodded and walked to the third cubicle, faintly disturbed by Hestir’s new attitude. Had he blundered by passing the tests so quickly, or was the other man simply impressed? It was so damned hard knowing which way to jump, or even if he should jump at all. He could feel the agitation making his control over his ability begin to slip, and then— This is a Significant Event, guys, get it? Get it?? quote:“Number three,” Lorand said, now looking at the cage of rats in the middle of the cubicle. Again he reached out with his power, but this time much more carefully. The rats were living creatures, and were meant to stay that way. Very gently he began to urge the rats to leave the center of the cage, and just as they’d done earlier they responded more quickly than he expected. Once the center of the cage was empty he had to choose a single rat to return to it, and that was harder. Holding back all the others while coaxing just one to where he wanted it to go… So are these tasks hard or not?! quote:“Number three mastery, just as promised,” Hestir said with a sigh, a comment Lorand took as his cue to release the rats. “You’re really quite accomplished, sir, and I look forward to watching you climb to the heights. Please believe that I feel honored to be your guide during these first days.” Tea. Twice in one chapter. quote:“The honor would be mine, sir,” Hestir returned, clearly refusing to return to his former attitude. “And allow me to ring for a servant for you…” The answer to any magical problems in this universe is: 1) use more power; and 2) eat lots of food afterwards I'm not even kidding. There's a reason why I'm counting meals. quote:Lorand sighed at that, having the distinct impression that he would hate being important. He hadn’t expected to feel that way and it was disappointing, almost as disappointing as the fact that his little bird supporter had apparently flown away. The chickadee was nowhere to be seen, which left Lorand all alone among strangers … and possible enemies… The inconsistency in Lorand's character is annoying and this internal monologue is so vaguely written that it's hard to guess why Lorand's feeling this way. Is it because his father and mother brought him up to be a self sufficient man and that people who rely on others to do things they are perfectly capable of doing themselves are leeches? Is it because he's actually quite shy and prefers to spend his time exploring nature and bonding with animals? Is he feeling homesick and trapped in the urban environment which doesn't have a lot of wild plant and animal life, other than rats and other pests and seeing the songbird reminded him of a happier time? Who knows? Green doesn't! Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Lorand passes his first level masteries and notices an abrupt shift in his Adept's attitude. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 21 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis, Kogrin, Lemmis Admen, Miklas TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 15 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast, lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 11 General: Unnamed Chairman/Ollon Kapmar (?) and the five Seated Highs in each aspect, Eltrina Razas Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 32 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 3 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 17 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 10 TEA DRINKING: 15 BLATANT MORALIZING: 18 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: Same same as the last SIX chapters of Book 1. But in addition to that, the biggest problem is these tests and trials are boring - even the Olympic-esque time trial events in this book. There's a few ways of doing that:
Green kind of got it right with the (badly executed) pass or die first test but then just went way off course with the braiding and this mastery stuff, which have no puzzles, no spectacle and no conflict. While the rest of the review was rubbish, Publishers Weekly did accurately call it when they described the story as Tamrissa documenting the journey, background and trials of the protagonists. These books are literally just badly written descriptions of a series of events happening.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 06:06 |
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Congrats on finishing the first book! These qualifications and competitions are a real slog, especially with the obligatory infodump. I'm looking forward to the "introduce the opposition" chapters because at least we'll have some new personalities to hate. Speaking of obligatory infodumps, we like to give them a bad name but I think they are better when well-executed than left out at all. The last series I read where their absence was striking was NK Jemisin's Broken Earth books, which just pick up right at Chapter 1 with no nods toward refreshing you on the previous book's material. It was kind of disorienting since there was a gap between reading them. Oh, and I have print copies of all the books (except #8, somehow) so I can check for typos sometime.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 16:51 |
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Leng posted:[*]First line of the blurb has a typo and still doesn't make any sense. I've been trying to see if I can turn up any photos of the hard copy (mine's in storage somewhere) to confirm the print version but no luck - does anyone have their copy handy? The print version does not contain that typo, which surprises me more than it should.
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# ? Oct 8, 2020 22:47 |
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wizzardstaff posted:Speaking of obligatory infodumps, we like to give them a bad name but I think they are better when well-executed than left out at all. The last series I read where their absence was striking was NK Jemisin's Broken Earth books, which just pick up right at Chapter 1 with no nods toward refreshing you on the previous book's material. It was kind of disorienting since there was a gap between reading them. Well-executed being key! For me, that means being part of the story or the setting and being presented to characters in a way that doesn't feel forced. In a series, it's a bit of a balancing act, since you can't assume that everyone will go back and reread things. Though with how the business model for Kindle Unlimited works, it seems to me that the better business model would be to write in a way that DOES encourage re-reads. So while things like Cradle don't get a whole lot of appreciation in the main SFF thread, it's really a smart move by Wight. It's a fast-paced, tightly written action-packed plot that focuses on a small number of main characters in a pretty vivid world. Books come out every 6-12 months and they're so addictive that readers are compelled to re-read over and over and over again. Wintersteel hit #1 on Amazon's best sellers list for the WHOLE Kindle store (not just his genre) and stayed there for about 24 hours or so and it's still at #4 right now. In Cradle, Wight has pages of literal infodumps that he's made an organic part of the world, right from the beginning of Book 1. And I kid you not, he executed it so well that there was an infodump in Book 5 which was the ACTUAL CLIMAX of the book. Other Cradle fans are known to have yelled, screamed, fist pumped, etc at that moment. Me personally, my brain went "WOOOOOOAAAHHHHHHH". A Small Car posted:The print version does not contain that typo, which surprises me more than it should. "<insert thing that was actually done properly>, which surprises me more than it should" sums up my entire reaction to Green's books.
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# ? Oct 9, 2020 00:33 |
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quote:CHAPTER TWO I wish we could get some specific details on what "strong" means and what practicing entails. What are the limitations around Spirit magic? Can you only make someone angry if you know something about them? Or can you only transfer an emotion to another person if you feel it yourself? Do Spirit magic users see emotions as tangible items in someone's brain? Or are emotions like colors? Or does it work like emotional allomancy in Mistborn, where people are constantly feeling all kinds of emotions and all you can do is either emphasize or subdue emotions they are already feeling? quote:“Did you enjoy your lunch, dear?” a voice came, and Genovir appeared beside Jovvi and then sat herself at the table. The Adept had taken her own lunch at a larger table with half a dozen others, people whose attitudes seemed to be just like hers. Genovir was perhaps ten years older than Jovvi and taller, handsome rather than pretty, brown-haired and eyed, and projecting an attitude of wise patience and full balance. Jovvi's about Tamrissa's age, so this makes Genovir around 29, which is apparently 10 years from middle age. If 40 or so is middle aged, then I guess life expectancy must be around 70-80 years. That seems pretty short in a world where you have magical healers. quote:“Lunch was wonderful, thank you,” Jovvi replied with a smile, feeling Genovir’s probes in her direction. The so-called Adept was apparently trying to be surreptitious about checking Jovvi’s state of mind and balance, but Genovir wasn’t strong enough to get past Jovvi’s awareness undiscovered. This is the first time this conversation has been interesting, simply because we're getting to see some Spirit magic in action! The description of using "mental probes" reminds me of Isobelle Carmody's Obernewtyn Chronicles, a 7 book post-apocalyptic series where the aftereffects of nuclear holocaust resulted in deformities and mutations (physical and mental). Mental mutations often resulted in some type of psychic power, such as farseeking (telepathy/mind reading) and coercion (mind control). quote:“What are you saying?” Genovir asked, clearly trying to fight away a frown. “That our people here are no better than those poor, useless souls of the lower level? But that’s ridiculous, my dear, utterly ridiculous. Many of our people don’t have to practice any longer, and some work better expending less effort. During the next weeks I’m sure you’ll find your own best pace, and then—” This whole exchange is full of plotholes. According to Genovir, Jovvi is free to take as much time as she likes to qualify and all these people are still here, not dead, despite Kogrin's urgent requests, so that pokes a few holes in the . In addition, Book 4 spoilers some strong Middles get sent off to the army as well, so it's not like they strictly need to be High talents. They'll all be drugged and mind controlled so it doesn't really matter what they can do in an undrugged state - or at least we never find out if this training makes them a more effective army quote:Genovir left the table abruptly, but Jovvi wasn’t given much time to worry about how Lorand was doing. It took only a couple of moments before Genovir was back, along with a man who looked more supercilious than self-assured. Actually good characterization of Jovvi, 1 entire book later. quote:Six new subjects stood in the room, eyes dull from the drugs they’d been given, and Algus waved a languid hand at them. Foreshadowing! quote:The six people immediately grew furious, their raging emotions aimed directly at Jovvi. It had disturbed her for quite some time that morning to see the expressions and gestures that went with the emotion, but she’d finally gotten almost used to it. At least she’d learned to be less concerned over working with actual people, something everyone was raised not to do. The far from easy life she’d led as a child now helped her in that respect, and Jovvi was willing to take any help she could get. I can't work out exactly what Green was hoping to accomplish here. Her protagonists keep wailing over how hard things are going to be, but then also breezing through the tests without a problem. It's like the complete opposite of underpromise, overdeliver. You can write a powerful character sandbagging, but they need to be doing it for a reason that's consistent with their motivations and who they are. The payoff then comes in watching that character go all out (which is something we will never see these characters do). quote:“Much to my astonishment, that’s four masteries,” he said, now sounding honestly surprised. “You have my congratulations, Dama, for showing yourself superior to most of those of the gentle sex. Would you care to rest now?” Wouldn't a post coital conversation be exactly the kind of atmosphere where you're most likely to learn those things? quote:But one thing she’d already learned, and the point was rather significant. Algus now called her “dama” rather than the condescending “lovely child” he’d been using, which meant quite a lot. Gaining those masteries had earned her another step upward, and one that was important enough to change Algus’s attitude. If it had been a negative step he would have been a lot less ingratiating, which meant her theories about moving ahead being the best way were proving themselves. Still waiting for Green to realize that you can't manufacture tension entirely via internal monologue. Well, maybe some better writers can, but Green certainly isn't one of them! Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Lorand/Jovvi passes his/her first level masteries and notices an abrupt shift in his/her Adept's attitude. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 21 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis, Kogrin, Lemmis Admen, Miklas TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 15 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast, lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 11 General: Unnamed Chairman/Ollon Kapmar (?) and the five Seated Highs in each aspect, Eltrina Razas Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 36 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 3 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 17 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 10 TEA DRINKING: 17 BLATANT MORALIZING: 18 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: So. Much. Bloat. wizzardstaff is 100% correct when saying that Books 1 and 2 are the worst slogs. Fortunately, we've only got 3 more chapters of the first level masteries to go before we take a break for NaNoWriMo. From there, we'll get a little bit of variety from the noble POVs. While those are just as repetitive as the protagonists, we do find out more about the power structures in the Empire so it kind of alleviates the boredom.
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# ? Oct 9, 2020 01:48 |
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quote:CHAPTER THREE This is a good moment of character growth, yet something about this still bothers me. I'm fairly certain it's because Green is taking far too long (590 words) to make the same point. The first two paragraphs are rehashing what we already know about Rion from Book 1 as well as the general testing situation from the previous two chapters. We don't get any new information until the third paragraph about Padril and the table of Adepts, but the rest of that paragraph is also a rehash, along with the next few lines. So if we look at this as a mini arc, what we need as a reader is: Rion's noticed 2 things that he wouldn't have normally noticed - 1) Padril and the other Adepts are looking in his direction a lot and laughing; 2) nobody else in the place looking like they might also be noble. He puts these things together and concludes that Padril doesn't believe him. That's one paragraph, not eight. quote:Rion felt the definite urge to do violence, an emotion he’d felt before but had never been so close to acting on. The nerve of that peasant, to make him the butt of his senseless joke! Committing violence would have felt marvelous, Did you forget about plotting Lorand's murder? quote:but Rion saw Padril rise and begin to walk toward him, and suddenly he had a better idea. Telling people things was never as good as showing them, and Padril had earned some showing. Besides, he now remembered that he and the others at the residence had decided to move ahead as quickly as possible, which fit in perfectly with his own plans. Only male Adepts are allowed to witness and grant masteries. We saw this with Genovir in the last chapter and we'll see it again with Soonen in Tamrissa's chapter. quote:The practice building was divided into a number of rooms, each of which was lit by lamps sealed behind clear windows of resin. In fact the entire room was capable of being sealed, which Padril saw to once the six people Rion was to work with had entered. Every household in an urban centre should be employing Air magic talents to constantly purify and circulate air inside buildings, with Water magic users helping out in hotter climates to create air conditioning. quote:“Now they’ll divide into two groups of three,” Padril announced after another hesitation. “Remember that you must keep them breathing freely.” This is borderline funny! I wish Green would play up moments like this a lot more. These only seem to happen in Rion chapters as well, hence why he's more fun to read compared to everyone else who's too busy being emo, or righteously indignant, etc. quote:For an instant Padril seemed ready to deny Rion’s claim, then fear replaced frustration in his eyes. He seemed to know at last that he dealt with a superior, and his words confirmed the surmise. The deeper question he's not asking is whether he's been excluded all his life! We'll find out in...3 more chapters. quote:And last but certainly not least: how could he undo whatever was done and finally get to where he really belonged? I could have sworn that at some point in Book 1, Rion had resolved that he much preferred considered one of a group even if they are commoners rather than being ostracized. At any rate, this is actually a little bit of foreshadowing on Green's part! Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Lorand/Jovvi/Rion passes his/her first level masteries and notices an abrupt shift in his/her Adept's attitude. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 21 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis, Kogrin, Lemmis Admen, Miklas TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 15 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast, lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 11 General: Unnamed Chairman/Ollon Kapmar (?) and the five Seated Highs in each aspect, Eltrina Razas Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 36 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 3 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 29 "CLIFFHANGERS": 17 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 10 TEA DRINKING: 18 BLATANT MORALIZING: 18 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: These books could use a heavy injection of humor. I don't blame Green on this though, writing humor is difficult in the first place. Sanderson says it pretty well: Brandon Sanderson posted:Humor is more subjective than what we find heroic, tragic, or even beautiful. It also depends a great deal on audience buy-in and mood. This makes comedy one of the trickiest things to do in a book, because some people are just going to hate what you do. My approach has generally been a kind of shotgun blast--I try to include multiple different kinds of humor, stylized to the individual character. That way, if you don't find the humor itself funny, you at least learn what the character finds funny--and learn something about them. I'm not sure how I'll do trying to write funny moments, but I'll see how I go working off this framework: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysSgG5V-R3U
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# ? Oct 10, 2020 05:04 |
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quote:CHAPTER FOUR This conspiracy is so incompetent that I wonder why they even bother. quote:I sipped at my tea in an effort to calm my annoyance, which now threatened to get out of hand again. It hadn’t been much of a problem while I’d been practicing, not with all the strength I’d been expending, but lunch had done a good job of restoring my energies. And being outdoors seemed to help as well. I enjoyed being outdoors, but… Convoluted not-drama, apparently. quote:Any possible answer to that was one designed to make me shiver or tremble, so it wasn’t a great disappointment not being able to think of one. Simply knowing I walked a very thin line with various disasters waiting on all sides for a misstep was enough to keep my insides in a permanent twist, at least when I stopped to think about it. What I’d tried to keep in mind instead was the agreement the others at the residence and I had come to: keep moving forward. Nothing about our situation was certain, except for the fact that falling behind would bring immediate disaster, while moving forward at least postponed the time of trouble. Still not convinced about any sort of disaster. What a flimsy excuse for not being able to figure out how to write a compelling story. quote:I took a deep breath to ease the fluttering in my middle, and saw Soonen rise from the table she’d shared with two other women. That table had been near one filled mostly with men, but she hadn’t even glanced in their direction. Now she made her way toward me, tall and imposing with her arrogant stride, the beginning of a sneer on her plain, undistinguished face. Ow, my head. This is the extreme idealism of meritocracy there wolf was talking about that can only genuinely be expressed by a person born into privilege. quote:Soonen spoke diffidently to one of the seated men, and after a moment he rose and followed her away from the table. He wasn’t a very tall man, a bit shorter than Soonen, in fact, and had whiskers framing his face. He wore nothing of a mustache to hide the annoyance in his expression, and was a bit on the plump side. He followed Soonen at his own deliberate pace, and when he reached my table he frowned down at me. ok now we're supposed to buy Tamrissa the fledgling siren when she's had major issues with the slightest hint of intimacy with a man? Was that one walk in the garden with Vallant enough to totally shift her attitude? And if the lack of suspense wasn't enough, we now know you can attempt the masteries multiple times. Green's killed all sense of suspense to the point where these chapters are unrevivable. quote:That latest line of thought was a bit frightening, but not as much as the testing I was about to undergo. I would have preferred to think about social change, but as soon as Gerdol led me to the first practice cubicle, all my attention centered on what was about to be done. I moved into the cubicle, took a deep breath, then stepped hard on the lever on the floor in front of me. The lever caused a box to fly open and a wide cloud of soil to be thrown into the air, and then it was time to perform. Spoilers for Book 8 someone hiding is in the bushes around here, coaxing a tiny bird to perform on demand. My money says it's one of the random filler people wandering around as background scenery, but that's still quite the range to control an animal from. We haven't seen any Earth magic work at that kind of range quote:“Yes, quite impressive,” Adept Gerdol was saying as I turned to him. “That’s one mastery to your credit, and if you’d like to leave the next until later or tomorrow, I’ll join you for a cup of tea.” I would have liked a chapter of Jovvi teaching Tamrissa how to flirt and manipulate men. quote:And that might even include my performance during the tests. I’d finally forced myself to admit that I wanted to show the woman, show her what I could do and that I wasn’t the helpless little toy she’d claimed. The second cubicle had a pull cord which released a wide spray of water from a tank overhead, and even as I yanked on the cord I heard a trill of avian support and encouragement. Really? Ok, well this explains why Torrin was so upset with Vallant saying "blazing blue hell". Is Green Mormon or something? quote:I walked to the third cubicle surrounded by the most calming birdsong I’d ever heard, so that when I stepped inside I felt less angered and more controlled. The thought came that it would be marvelous to be able to take that bird home and feed it seed and bread until it was too heavy to fly, but that wasn’t likely to become possible. The bird wasn’t really there to support me, I simply needed to believe it was. Theme about the cycle of abuse perpetuating itself continues. quote:So I held to my beliefs as I looked at the pile of wood thrown one piece on top of another in the middle of the cubicle. The pieces were each about a foot in length and were carved into different shapes, an oval shape with a splotch of blue paint just visible in the pile’s middle. The piece with the orange paint splotch which had been there earlier had had to be replaced, and I’d done the replacing myself. Isn't this convenient? quote:“The oval piece of wood, with the blue splotch of paint,” I said, naming my target, more than eager to get on with it and have it behind me. When Adept Gerdol murmured his agreement that he saw the piece, I took it as my cue to begin. Yellow-red fire flared all around the oval piece of wood, making me think of winter and logs in the fireplace. But only that one small piece of wood burned, and somewhere far away a part of me marveled that I was able to protect things from my flames as well as burn them. Most people never mentioned anything about the protecting part, and then it was all done. How rare is this ability that the two Adepts are this surprised? Book 4 spoilers we know these places exist to send a constant stream of enslaved Highs out to the two armies, so Tamrissa can't be the first to pass all of these test. They would have to see this happen all the time! They should already have a drill in place to know exactly how to react. I hate these books. quote:“There aren’t any singed pieces, and the third mastery is yours, Dama,” Adept Gerdol said, just as if he were a stranger. “Would you care to continue on, or would you prefer to rest for a short while first?” If you haven't noticed, from this point onwards, the tea drinking becomes a running gag that you could use it in a drinking game. If you took a shot every time the word "tea" is mentioned in a chapter, you'd be blind drunk pretty soon. quote:He offered his arm in a way that looked downright diffident, as though he might possibly be afraid of my turning my fires on him. As an Adept he should have had nothing to worry about; after all, it stood to reason that if you were able to protect feathers from burning, you should have no trouble protecting yourself. If this is the case, then these Adepts are mindless idiots who are incapable of learning. How does Green find any of this compelling? If you're going to write a competent protagonist, then you need to write a correspondingly competent antagonist, unless the conflict is man vs nature or man vs himself! quote:All of which made me uneasy about what sort of situation I would soon be moving into. Tomorrow Soonen would be attacking me with her ability while I performed the same exercises, and I’d have to protect myself as well as gain the masteries. Assuming I was able to do that I would then move to the first of the competitions, and afterward I would have to face someone of my own strength in a direct confrontation. Note that Fire magic is the only trials that involve learning how to defend yourself against direct attack. That's deliberate on Green's part but a weird plothole, since every since other aspect is able to both attack and defend. quote:Someone who might possibly be trying seriously to kill me. My insides lurched and roared at that thought, making it impossible for me to hear what Adept Gerdol was saying to me. My life might well be in danger soon, and I didn’t quite know how to handle the idea. What? According to Jovvi's theory, Tamrissa's life is already in danger AND she's dealt with the first pass or die test and the random fireball before that. Tamrissa is no fainting violet. Can we just move past this stupid pretense? quote:In desperation I looked around for my bird friend, needing its support, but it seemed to be gone. Green hasn't gotten any better at cliffhangers. Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Lorand/Jovvi/Rion/Tamrissa passes his/her first level masteries and notices an abrupt shift in his/her Adept's attitude. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 21 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis, Kogrin, Lemmis Admen, Miklas TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 15 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast, lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 11 General: Unnamed Chairman/Ollon Kapmar (?) and the five Seated Highs in each aspect, Eltrina Razas Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 38 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 3 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 31 "CLIFFHANGERS": 18 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 10 TEA DRINKING: 20 BLATANT MORALIZING: 19 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: Shred this chapter into into pieces and use those as tinder for a campfire. Then we could roast marshmallows and make s'mores, which would be delicious and fun.
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# ? Oct 10, 2020 22:45 |
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quote:CHAPTER FIVE I get that a recap is nice for readers if it's been 12 months between books, but we really don't need five of them. Why couldn't we just have gotten the full rundown in the first chapter from Lorand? quote:“You took my advice and had the fish for lunch,” a voice said, and Vallant looked up to see that Wimand had come over without his noticing the Adept’s approach. “How did you like it?” Do never order seafood at a restaurant in an inland city. Unless it's next to a lake or river. quote:“Now I’d like to know how I go about earnin’ those silver dins you said would be paid when I mastered the practice areas.” I'm pretty sure that there isn't a formal merchant class - when we go into the noble POVs, they all clearly view anyone who's not a noble (and in some cases, lesser nobility) as peasants. quote:“No,” Vallant stated shortly, fighting to keep his expression from showing the contempt he felt for Wimand. “We’ll do it my way rather than yours. Let’s go.” So Tamrissa can feel things through her flames and Vallant can feel things through water he's controlling with his talent. Does this mean Rion and any other Air magic user can just feel everyone and everything within range? What is the standard Air magic range anyway? That would bring a new level of creepy into this world. quote:But Vallant still had to earn his second, so he turned his attention to the breadboxes without bread. Putting water into first one, then two, was boring when he could have started with doing all six at once, but he didn’t say so. He simply did the exercise the way they expected him to, and when Wimand emptied the last dish in the last box, he turned to the Adept. The exercise is so simple Vallant could have been showing off but chose not to for reasons. I wonder if Green even recognizes when she's sabotaging her own novel. quote:“It looks like I’ve matched Holter again,” Vallant drawled, distantly wondering why Wimand was beginning to look shaken. “Shall we continue on and see if I can do it a third time?” Say no, Vallant. Demand a proper quote:“I think I’ll have a sandwich as well,” Vallant said with a nod, feeling mellow and pleased. He’d also gotten congratulations from his bird friend, which for some reason were more welcome than Wimand’s. And yet a glance around showed that the bird was now gone, disappointing despite being nothing more than expected. Vallant considered the bird his good luck charm, but had to admit he probably wouldn’t need any more good luck today. Luckily, we're going to take a break after this chapter - and even when we come back to pick up the Let's Read again in December, we'll be going into some noble POVs so our minds won't be immediately assailed with a sixth chapter where every single protagonist gives us a recap of five chapters of recaps. quote:I can still remember how … superior I felt back then, cautiously superior but still better than everyone else. The great achievement had been so easy… If I’d known how short a time I’d be feeling like that, I might have enjoyed it more. Well, you’ll find out all about it, but only when it becomes time to tell you. Still no actual explanation for HOW Tamrissa writes these POV chapters. End of Book 2 and Book 5 spoilers there's literally 6 interactions between the 10 characters before the 5 antagonists die. Summary: Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials" (as Adept Forum called them) - the first and second levels of masteries of that aspect:
Lorand/Jovvi/Rion/Tamrissa/Vallant passes his/her first level masteries and notices an abrupt shift in his/her Adept's attitude. Counts so far: NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 21 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis, Kogrin, Lemmis Admen, Miklas TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 15 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast, lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 11 General: Unnamed Chairman/Ollon Kapmar (?) and the five Seated Highs in each aspect, Eltrina Razas Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 39 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 3 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 31 "CLIFFHANGERS": 18 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 11 TEA DRINKING: 22 BLATANT MORALIZING: 19 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
Possible fixes: We have just fixed the only remaining thing that could be fixed in this trainwreck by putting these five chapters onto the end of Book 1.
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# ? Oct 12, 2020 12:32 |
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So these five chapters could have been condensed down to a paragraph of each of them beating their adepts' expectations on their very first mastery attempt. And what, they've all been in this town for less than a week? Assuming their time reckoning is anything like ours. You're right, so much of this book could have been cut out and no great loss.
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# ? Oct 12, 2020 13:21 |
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Book 1 (+ first five chapters of Book 2) Summary: Here is a TL;DR supercut based on the chapter summaries with some additional context for anyone who doesn't want to wade through the drag that is Book 1 (or anyone who has been following along and wants to take a step back to consider the whole picture but doesn't want to risk their sanity by revisiting any chapters). Prologue/Opening A poorly written extract from a faux historical textbook tells us it's the time of the Prophecy, when a Chosen Blending will arise to defeat the returning tyranny of the Evil Four and there will be "obvious signs" and "subtle happenings" to indicate the identity of the Chosen. We are introduced to five protagonists, each independently making their way to the capitol city of Gan Garee in the Gandistran Empire:
Day 1 Lorand/Jovvi/Clarion/Vallant arrive at the testing facility in Gan Garee while Tamrissa (Gan Garee born and bred) is shuffled around like thirty different waiting rooms inside. All of them get shiny IDs and are sent for testing. The test involves escaping live burial/raging emotions/suffocation/being crushed alive/a ring of fire. After each protagonist escapes, a creepy dude gives them "water" to drink and they are taken to Tamrissa's house (which Tamrissa has volunteered as an official residence in exchange for legal protection). Everybody arrives at slightly different times, heads straight to the bath house, and gets walked in on/walks in on somebody else with ensuing in one of the most stupidly repetitive sequences in the entire 8 book series because Green. Lady Eltrina Razas, their representative from the testing authority, shows up to boss everyone around and implement pointless attempts at dehumanizing the protagonists at dinner. Highlights of the dinner conversation include: every male protagonist getting raging for Jovvi and Tamrissa, Jovvi verbally bitch smacking Beldara Lant (discount Tamrissa), Pagin Holter (token "guy who is an outsider but because we're nice people we're nice to him to prove that we're nice people") clueing the oblivious in to the fact it's a twenty-fifth year, and Vallant and Jovvi blasting Eskin Drowd (anti-Lorand) with some blatant moralizing on about how controlling other people and invading other nations is bad. Somewhere in the midst of all this mess is spoiler laden interlude from the creepy dudes administering the tests that flat out states everything is rigged and people have been dosed with mind control drugs to ensure their absolute compliance. Day 2 After an angsty, silent breakfast where everyone is stewing in their own thoughts because they've been rained on by a tiny thundercloud that everyone blames on Vallant (who blames his on Pagin), and a lunch with boring small talk, they are taken to be fitted for their Grown Up Magic Not-School Uniforms. The group splits up at the fittings:
Day 3 Tamrissa experiences her first random encounter, with her parents and intended second husband showing up on her doorstep unannounced. Jovvi and Vallant come to her rescue. An upset Tamrissa runs off to the library and is pursued by Vallant. He yells at her to not feel her emotions and threatens her with unwanted sexual contact as "punishment". Lorand fondles plants in the garden, is interrupted by Jovvi and starts kissing and fondling Jovvi instead. He's awkwardly trying to ask her to sleep with him when Clarion interrupts them to ask Jovvi if she wants to sleep with him instead. Lorand pulls Clarion aside to say "no, bad, don't do that" and Jovvi renames Clarion to Rion, who wanders away aimlessly repeating his new name to himself until dinner time. Meanwhile, Lorand discovers Jovvi is a courtesan who has no interest in his marriage proposal and would rather make him her number one stud instead. After Eskin clues Rion in on the Lorand/Jovvi relationship, Rion spends the rest of dinner plotting murder before changing his mind. Day 4 Everybody learns to braid their elemental aspect into three/four strand patterns, except for Jovvi who gets to balance spheres in fields of pitching emotions, which is way more interesting than the braiding stuff and hence we never get to read about it because Green. Rion discovers that anyone who's an applicant is cut off from their bank accounts. Everybody (except Beldara) heads straight to the bath house after an exhausting day of magical braiding, though thanks to Tamrissa declaring mixed bathing off limits, we're spared any further awkward bath scenes with the full cast. Jovvi goes head first into territory with early converts Tamrissa and Vallant, who brings Rion and Lorand for the ride. Eskin and Pagin get left out because reasons they're not main characters. It is all very boring since the Day 1 interlude spoiled the entire conspiracy the protagonists are in the midst of discovering. Lorand has a random encounter with Hat (his best friend who came to Gan Garee for testing with him whom Lorand assumed was dead) and is saved by Tamrissa. They adjourn to the library so Tamrissa can sort out Lorand's confusion with Jovvi asserting her right to be a sex worker using Facts and Logic. After dinner, Rion has a successful confrontation with Eskin before Jovvi and Tamrissa has to swoop in to save him from his random encounter with his abusive mother, Hallina Mardimil. Day 5 Everybody heads back to their sessions and all five protagonists qualify by taking in more power to weave five strands/balance five spheres. Allestine (sex worker exploiter extraordinare and Jovvi's ex-boss) and her henchmen show up to kidnap Jovvi and Tamrissa, only to be chased out after deadly displays of Fire and Air magic. Rion flirts with Jovvi, and Vallant flirts with Tamrissa, on their way to lunch. Jovvi and Lorand have weird sex in the bath house where she's lying on her back thinking of Warla (Tamrissa's companion and de facto mistress of the household by the testing authority's instruction) announces that Beldara and Eskin were moved out at dinner. Jovvi reinforces the . After dinner, we get a combined random encounter for Tamrissa and Vallant in the form of her father and his ex-fiancé Mirra Agran, which kicks off the next drama in the on/off Valissa ship. Day 6 Everyone sets off for "The Trials". They arrive at their respective testing grounds where their Adept explains the first and second levels of masteries for their aspect:
Eltrina attends a status update and gets herself openly acknowledged as the unofficial noble 2IC on Project Competitions by the boss she's banging on the basis that she is the only one with a bare minimum of competence. Counts so far: TOTAL WORDS: 193,676 Book 1: 181,539 Book 2 (first five chapters): 12,137 NAMED ON-SCREEN CHARACTERS WHO WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN: 21 Mildon Coll, Phor Riven, Jeris Womal, Eldra Sappin, Fod, Lord Astrath, Torrin Ro, Vish "the Fish", Jamrin, Hark, Reshin, Fellar, Ennis, Vosin, Parli Hafford, Regensi, Weeks, Adept Aminto, Mem Follil, Toblis, Kogrin, Lemmis Admen, Miklas TOTALLY INDISTINCT ON-SCREEN LOCATIONS: 9 Rincammon, Haven Wraithside, Tamrissa's house in Gan Garee, Port Entril, testing facility in Gan Garee, Regensi's shop, Ginge's tavern, Magross bridge, mastery facility outside Gan Garee MEALS ON-SCREEN: 15 Day 1 (lunch, dinner), Day 2 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 3 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 4 (breakfast, lunch, dinner), Day 5 (lunch, dinner), Day 6 (breakfast, lunch) EUPHEMISMS FOR BODY PARTS: 9 Male: <character name>'s body (x2), discomfort (x1), manhood (x1), desire (x2), renewed need (x1), large and hard, the most perfect of men (x1) Female: womanhood (x1), entrance of ultimate bliss (x1), desire (x1), incredible tunnel (x1) TERMS OF ENDEARMENT: 3 Male: love (x1), my fleeting love (x1) Female: sweet girl (x1) ANTAGONISTS: 11 General: Unnamed Chairman/Ollon Kapmar (?) and the five Seated Highs in each aspect, Eltrina Razas Lorand: Eskin Drowd Jovvi: Allestine and her henchmen Ark and Bar Clarion: Hallina Mardimil, Eskin Drowd Tamrissa: Storn and Avrina Torgar, Beldara Lant, Odrin Hallasser, Soonen Vallant: Mirra Agran PLOTHOLES: 39 COACH RIDES: 21 MEETINGS IN COACHES: 4 OTHER MEETINGS: 3 INTERRUPTED MONOLOGUING: 31 "CLIFFHANGERS": 18 POINTLESS TAMRISSA NARRATION: 11 TEA DRINKING: 22 BLATANT MORALIZING: 19 BATH SCENES: 9 WILFUL MISUNDERSTANDINGS: 6 MIND CONTROL: 5 BADLY WRITTEN SEX SCENES: 2 REPETITIVE POV EVENTS:
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# ? Oct 12, 2020 13:50 |
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queserasera posted:So these five chapters could have been condensed down to a paragraph of each of them beating their adepts' expectations on their very first mastery attempt. And what, they've all been in this town for less than a week? Assuming their time reckoning is anything like ours. You're right, so much of this book could have been cut out and no great loss. Six days I counted all the meals and when people went to sleep/woke up. Green seems to be allergic to introducing an obstacle and then resolving it in the same chapter. She consistently writes chapters that introduce some problem for the characters and ends the same chapter with the character(s) going . It's the worst when each main character is doing their own thing, because we have to cycle through all five viewpoints before circling back to the first person who goes from to in a few paragraphs. Maybe she read about the "yes, but/no, and" rule somewhere then got mixed up and all she could remember is that chapters need to end with an unsolved problem to propel the plot forward, completely forgetting that the cycle is actually:
Let's Read The Blending going on hiatus until December November approaches and we've now reached the promised pause point! I'll be spending the next two weeks making a plan for rewriting Book 1 as a NaNoWriMo project and will post a link here when the rewrite thread is up in CC. In the meantime, thanks to everyone who's been reading along with me - I hope I've been able to do this hate-read so far with justice, lack of thematic analysis notwithstanding. This thread will stay open for discussion on Green's books and we'll pick up on Chapter 6 of Book 2 in December. Leng fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Mar 20, 2021 |
# ? Oct 12, 2020 14:18 |
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Seeing the days summarized like that puts me in mind of a freshman orientation week. It may be an overdone genre but looking at this series through a "magic school" lens makes a lot of things click for me: -Protagonists are drawn from the corners of the empire to attend a core institution -They suffer through a bloated, arcane bureaucracy that arbitrarily governs every aspect of their new lives -The authority gives them very little control over the basics of food and housing -Placement tests and qualifying exams are thrown at them in the first few days -They screw and love and feud with each other like the culturally confused 18-year-olds that they (mostly) are Heck, at one point in this thread I even commented that they seem less like a polycule and more like a group of college friends who had a very sexually fluid freshman year before settling down. I feel like it wouldn't take much reframing to change the setting from a talent search to a magical university. Things that don't quite work for me: -The Prophecy and the whole global stakes of the Blending competition. The protagonists don't intend to become world leaders, at least not at first. -The fact that there is a Blending competition in the first place. That could be sidelined into a spectacle like Quidditch or the battle school drills in Ender's Game, or maybe drop the tiered competition aspect and focus on the conflict between the two main Blendings. -Jovvi's background becomes a little more problematic if she's de-aged, not that it was problem-free already. Fixing that could be a matter of making her an apprentice to literally any other kind of trade; I don't know that her being a sex worker adds anything except drama with Lorand and an opportunity for Green to moralize. -Tamrissa's story is also kind of tricky to fit in, depending on how much the story wants to dwell on sexually exploitative and abusive parents. I suppose that's equally an issue with the story as-is, and I don't think Green does it justice--so maybe my discomfort with it is less how it fits with the "magic school" setting and more with how it's treated in the original material.
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# ? Oct 12, 2020 16:14 |
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wizzardstaff posted:Seeing the days summarized like that puts me in mind of a freshman orientation week. It may be an overdone genre but looking at this series through a "magic school" lens makes a lot of things click for me: The reframing is easy but it would require quite a bit of invention from whole cloth to pad out magical university shenanigans. Most series going down the schooling plot archetype route tend to follow some sort of school year structure, with new challenges being introduced each year - this is true from sellers like Rowling's Harry Potter, Trudi Canavan's The Black Magician, Tamora Pierce's The Protector of the Small/The Circle to self-published Melanie Cellier's The Spoken Mage series. These types of stories also lean heavily on the "protagonist doesn't know that they have magical powers" trope, with the first book always introducing the magical world and the protagonist learning skill and control. This goes against one of Green's fundamental premises for the series - i.e. what if everyone had magical abilities? Finally, there's a large problem with how compressed Green's timeline is as well. Based on my notes for Books 1-3 and a quick scan of Books 4-8:
wizzardstaff posted:Things that don't quite work for me: Yep, in my mind, the Blending competition would definitely be a Book 2 arc with the theme being regime change, and the Prophecy would come into play for Book 3, which is about defeating the Evil (whatever that ends up being - I'll have plenty of time to think about that one). Green's overall theme of "parents can really screw up their kids" is probably fine to keep front and center for Book 1, but I don't think we need to go to the levels of child abuse that currently exists in the books because: 1) everyone has hang ups due to how they were parented, even if they weren't abused; and 2) it's NaNoWriMo and my first attempt at writing something - I don't trust myself to do such sensitive topics justice and I would rather get a handle on the basic crafts of writing before I try to tackle complex issues. Also 50k words isn't a lot to play with, so in all likelihood I'm going to pick 1 of the existing protagonists (95% certain it's going to be Lorand) and focus on them. That means the other protagonists won't get POVs or much page time (if at all) and therefore their back stories may or may not surface at this point in time. Book 2 can then be focused on politics, relationships and conspiracies.
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# ? Oct 13, 2020 00:30 |
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The Let's Rewrite: The Blending by Sharon Green thread is now live in CC. For the next two weeks, I'll be posting there about my planning and process. If you're reading mainly to get your fix of the Blendingverse, actual rewriting will begin in November and the first chapter will most likely go up around 4 November.
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# ? Oct 15, 2020 13:30 |
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If anyone's looking for a Blendingverse fix, I just posted my lazy rewrites of Lorand arriving in Gan Garee and attempting the first test as bonus content in the Let's Rewrite thread in CC!
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Popping in from page 1 to say that I'm really enjoying this thread so far! I like the balance between the original text and OP's commentary. Also like how Green correctly identifies the Only Two Genders: Fighters and Non-fighters.
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