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The November 2020 issue of the Official PlayStation Magazine revealed some new details on how haptic feedback and adaptive triggers will enhance the experience. According to the magazine, all weapon attacks and magic spells will have "different sensations through the adaptive triggers" and parries will be felt through haptic feedback. Even pulling levers and opening gates will result in different sensations.

Lobok posted:

BugSnax crew is a bunch of snacks themselves!

Bust Rodd posted:

I am confused, do we know if Bugsnax is a single player game or a multiplayer game?

Red Warrior posted:

Keighley retweeted this, possible announcement of a validated SSD coming up?
https://twitter.com/wd_black/status/1314022710872170496

John Wick of Dogs posted:

I got me a console as big as whale and I'm about to set saaaaaaaiiiil!

Bugsnaaaax!
That's where it's at!
Bugsnaaaax!
That's where is at!

Fedule posted:

This liquid metal deal fascinates me.

Liquid metal thermal interface material (TIM) is great, because like Sony said and like you can probably guess, it's a really good thermal conductor, better by an order of magnitude than the ceramic paste you normally see on CPUs. It also has two very big problems: firstly, it - being mostly based on gallium - corrodes copper (aka the thing most heatsinks are made of) in the presence of air, which among other problems will gradually ruin the thermal interface, and secondly, it - being metallic - will short basically anything on the mainboard it comes into contact with. Because of these problems, metal TIMs are typically only seen a) inside commercial CPU blocks between the silicon die and the heat spreader which is fully sealed off and almost never accessed by consumers and b) in enthusiast custom builds, where the builder is free to tackle these problems - or be ignorant and get bitten my them - as they wish, usually by either working very carefully, committing to some maintenance, or knowing they'll probably replace most of it in a few years anyway.

What I'm getting at here is that it is a bold choice to use a liquid metal TIM in a mass market consumer electronic device like the PS5, especially one that's intended to work in various orientations and be carted around in backpacks and be allowed anywhere near children. The teardown video mentioned "two years of research" and alluded to some patents. I can only presume that all this work was figuring out how the hell to work around the problems inherent in putting interesting liquid gallium alloys inside your electronics.


It seems a little reductive to suppose that the sum total fruit of two years of research is "put an insulating block around it" but I can't really argue with the sense of that. Perhaps the work went into producing not only a block (which might be made of something interesting) but also a manufacturing method to consistently apply the block, the liquid inside the block, and the seal on top of it, all reliably, in a way that ensures a good interface between the SoC and the heatsink that's fully contained and airtight to stop it reacting. Plus I imagine they'll treat the copper contact plate into the bargain, I think that's a thing. It's also possible Sony might have developed an entirely new kind of liquid metal TIM that alleviates some of the problems associated with it - in any case I highly doubt they've simply bought a couple hundred vats of Conductonaut. I don't think it's going to be any kind of exotic compound, though, because I guess at some point this stuff still has to be reasonably user-serviceable, I hope?

What I really wonder is how this will affect dissassmbly. Most people don't take apart their Playstations as far as the actual SoC, and for those that do, ceramic TIM is foolproof enough that you can just tell people to just slather some on there and it'll probably be fine (hell it's not like the factory puts much effort into applications either) and you can't really ruin anything by spilling it. Obviously that's not so with liquid metal, the proposition is inherently going to be spicier. My guess is that Sony are taking the approach - not altogether unreasonably - that all bets are off once a consumer is prodding at their silicon instead of the fans, heatsink, SSD or antennae (good god, at least they actually let you get at the cooling assembly without going through the loving mainboard this time around). My point with this is, with all the fun considerations in place around liquid metal it's in everyone's interests to never ever open that thing up if you can help it. And my point with that is, I absolutely cannot wait for the stories of people deciding to do it anyway.

Also, I idly wonder if there'll be some kind of RRoD/YLoD-scale scandal that turns out to arise from this insulating block not being quite as airtight as we hoped...

Finally, for a funfact, because I'm just that kind of a person, I actually took apart my PS4 Pro and replaced the factory paste with Conductonaut and surrounded it with a bunch of electrical tape in a crude approximation of what turns out to be exactly what Sony made with the PS5. I did this in the full knowledge that it would probably eventually brick the thing (if not immediately, if I did it right), but it turns out that three years later it's still going strong and doesn't seem to have degraded noticeably at all (not that I can directly test much of it). While I was at it I also swapped out the fan with one from a later iteration that was less whiny. Like many PS4 owners, I was very concerned about noise.



Fun afternoon.

Fedule posted:

This liquid metal deal fascinates me.

Liquid metal thermal interface material (TIM) is great, because like Sony said and like you can probably guess, it's a really good thermal conductor, better by an order of magnitude than the ceramic paste you normally see on CPUs. It also has two very big problems: firstly, it - being mostly based on gallium - corrodes copper (aka the thing most heatsinks are made of) in the presence of air, which among other problems will gradually ruin the thermal interface, and secondly, it - being metallic - will short basically anything on the mainboard it comes into contact with. Because of these problems, metal TIMs are typically only seen a) inside commercial CPU blocks between the silicon die and the heat spreader which is fully sealed off and almost never accessed by consumers and b) in enthusiast custom builds, where the builder is free to tackle these problems - or be ignorant and get bitten my them - as they wish, usually by either working very carefully, committing to some maintenance, or knowing they'll probably replace most of it in a few years anyway.

What I'm getting at here is that it is a bold choice to use a liquid metal TIM in a mass market consumer electronic device like the PS5, especially one that's intended to work in various orientations and be carted around in backpacks and be allowed anywhere near children. The teardown video mentioned "two years of research" and alluded to some patents. I can only presume that all this work was figuring out how the hell to work around the problems inherent in putting interesting liquid gallium alloys inside your electronics.


It seems a little reductive to suppose that the sum total fruit of two years of research is "put an insulating block around it" but I can't really argue with the sense of that. Perhaps the work went into producing not only a block (which might be made of something interesting) but also a manufacturing method to consistently apply the block, the liquid inside the block, and the seal on top of it, all reliably, in a way that ensures a good interface between the SoC and the heatsink that's fully contained and airtight to stop it reacting. Plus I imagine they'll treat the copper contact plate into the bargain, I think that's a thing. It's also possible Sony might have developed an entirely new kind of liquid metal TIM that alleviates some of the problems associated with it - in any case I highly doubt they've simply bought a couple hundred vats of Conductonaut. I don't think it's going to be any kind of exotic compound, though, because I guess at some point this stuff still has to be reasonably user-serviceable, I hope?

What I really wonder is how this will affect dissassmbly. Most people don't take apart their Playstations as far as the actual SoC, and for those that do, ceramic TIM is foolproof enough that you can just tell people to just slather some on there and it'll probably be fine (hell it's not like the factory puts much effort into applications either) and you can't really ruin anything by spilling it. Obviously that's not so with liquid metal, the proposition is inherently going to be spicier. My guess is that Sony are taking the approach - not altogether unreasonably - that all bets are off once a consumer is prodding at their silicon instead of the fans, heatsink, SSD or antennae (good god, at least they actually let you get at the cooling assembly without going through the loving mainboard this time around). My point with this is, with all the fun considerations in place around liquid metal it's in everyone's interests to never ever open that thing up if you can help it. And my point with that is, I absolutely cannot wait for the stories of people deciding to do it anyway.

Also, I idly wonder if there'll be some kind of RRoD/YLoD-scale scandal that turns out to arise from this insulating block not being quite as airtight as we hoped...

Finally, for a funfact, because I'm just that kind of a person, I actually took apart my PS4 Pro and replaced the factory paste with Conductonaut and surrounded it with a bunch of electrical tape in a crude approximation of what turns out to be exactly what Sony made with the PS5. I did this in the full knowledge that it would probably eventually brick the thing (if not immediately, if I did it right), but it turns out that three years later it's still going strong and doesn't seem to have degraded noticeably at all (not that I can directly test much of it). While I was at it I also swapped out the fan with one from a later iteration that was less whiny. Like many PS4 owners, I was very concerned about noise.



Fun afternoon.

Linux Nazi posted:

What is the best way (if any) to get updates on stock for the console? I managed to grab an XBox Series X pre-order from costco this morning by following @Wario64 on twitter, but I'm far more interested in grabbing a PS5, I need some Demon's Souls remake.

Real hurthling! posted:

wario tweets the links faster than anybody i know of. but even pouncing on it you are fighting for the scraps that the bots left behind. he's been posting links that you can't get to from searching on the store sites yet. i got my ps5de order in to amazon from one of his links. dunno if it will come on time but at least i know someone will eventually be sending me one.
retailers really need to institute a lottery or something to cut out the underhanded buyers that find the hidden store links and hit them before anyone else can idk.

Real hurthling! posted:

wario tweets the links faster than anybody i know of. but even pouncing on it you are fighting for the scraps that the bots left behind. he's been posting links that you can't get to from searching on the store sites yet. i got my ps5de order in to amazon from one of his links. dunno if it will come on time but at least i know someone will eventually be sending me one.
retailers really need to institute a lottery or something to cut out the underhanded buyers that find the hidden store links and hit them before anyone else can idk.

Real hurthling! posted:

wario tweets the links faster than anybody i know of. but even pouncing on it you are fighting for the scraps that the bots left behind. he's been posting links that you can't get to from searching on the store sites yet. i got my ps5de order in to amazon from one of his links. dunno if it will come on time but at least i know someone will eventually be sending me one.
retailers really need to institute a lottery or something to cut out the underhanded buyers that find the hidden store links and hit them before anyone else can idk.

Vikar Jerome posted:

Dear Watson posted:

I just want a blu ray player and the ability to play all dark souls games going forward. I’ve never had a PlayStation, only an Xbox 360.
Is this console right for me and how long am I going to have to wait to buy one?

Dear Watson posted:

I just want a blu ray player and the ability to play all dark souls games going forward.

Storm One posted:

Either console should be fine, the XSX also plays blu-rays.

Dear Watson posted:

Cool guys thanks.

I’m Kinda leaning towards trying out the ps5 because I never really liked the Xbox.

Dear Watson posted:

Cool guys thanks.

I’m Kinda leaning towards trying out the ps5 because I never really liked the Xbox.

Dear Watson posted:

I just want a blu ray player and the ability to play all dark souls games going forward. I’ve never had a PlayStation, only an Xbox 360.
Is this console right for me and how long am I going to have to wait to buy one?

Baggot posted:

If you're interested in Blu-rays and Dark Souls, you should get the PS5, as you'll also be able to play Souls-adjacent games Bloodborne and Demon's Souls.

Dear Watson posted:

I just want a blu ray player and the ability to play all dark souls games going forward. I’ve never had a PlayStation, only an Xbox 360.
Is this console right for me and how long am I going to have to wait to buy one?

Dear Watson posted:

Thanks everyone! Now I just gotta figure out how to
Buy one. And yeah I want demons souls. I never got to try that one out!

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

What the gently caress is this? I ordered from eb games Australia right as they went live.

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

What the gently caress is this? I ordered from eb games Australia right as they went live.

Sentient Data posted:

It could be that they just changed the name of the item in the database for upcoming orders and didn't want to duplicate the sku

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

What the gently caress is this? I ordered from eb games Australia right as they went live.

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

What the gently caress is this? I ordered from eb games Australia right as they went live.

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

What the gently caress is this? I ordered from eb games Australia right as they went live.

Detective No. 27 posted:

Wow. PS5 is $150 more expensive there than in the US... But the controllers are $20 cheaper, so I guess it evens out.

Detective No. 27 posted:

Wow. PS5 is $150 more expensive there than in the US... But the controllers are $20 cheaper, so I guess it evens out.

Cicero posted:

750 AUD is like 540 USD.

Quantum Shart posted:

Includes gst.
E: loving idiot phone post