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Stultus Maximus posted:You'd think that "economic anxiety" had been beaten to death as an explanation by now but lol I guess not. Maybe it hasn't been "beaten to death" because it's a coherent and empirically based expansion for how poor and working class whites are radicalized into racism and working against their own class interests? Why are socioeconomics acceptable explanations for crime, violence, substance use, health disparities, etc. for non white groups but not for whites? Why aren't they accurate explanations for these regrettable phenomena in lower class people regardless of their race?
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The american revolution: the co-opted rebellion run by the baron class for stolen land.
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Toshokan posted:Maybe it hasn't been "beaten to death" because it's a coherent and empirically based expansion for how poor and working class whites are radicalized into racism and working against their own class interests? Some people get really upset about it because they think you're excusing racism. Some people would rather pretend that racism is something that just happens, rather than being rooted in and amplified by economic inequality.
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Oct 9, 2020 21:13
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Fister Roboto posted:Some people get really upset about it because they think you're excusing racism. Some people would rather pretend that racism is something that just happens, rather than being rooted in and amplified by economic inequality. Exactly. They don't want to acknowledge that class and capitalism are often the drivers of racism and other forms of bigotry. That said, I think both extremes are getting it wrong. The hardcore IDPOL are ignoring the class aspects of bigotry and demographic inequality/disparities and the hardcore class reductionists are ignoring the moderating (i.e. magnifying) effect of racism and other minority status on economic inequality and exploitation.
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Oct 9, 2020 22:19
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Stultus Maximus posted:You'd think that "economic anxiety" had been beaten to death as an explanation by now but lol I guess not. This one was quite good as well. https://twitter.com/SarahTaber_bww/status/1314578622246719488
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Toshokan posted:Maybe it hasn't been "beaten to death" because it's a coherent and empirically based expansion for how poor and working class whites are radicalized into racism and working against their own class interests? Maybe because one picture of some redneck's yard doesn't prove anything about any of this?
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Oct 9, 2020 22:40
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Handsome Ralph posted:This one was quite good as well. Basically: "You're not poor enough to be radicalized by the ravages of capitalism." Typical lib bullshit.
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Toshokan posted:Basically: "You're not poor enough to be radicalized by the ravages of capitalism." gently caress off with your class reductionist bullshit.
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Oct 10, 2020 00:06
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Handsome Ralph posted:gently caress off with your class reductionist bullshit. I, too, can ignore things that are inconvenient to being smug and sanctimonious. Toshokan posted:Exactly. They don't want to acknowledge that class and capitalism are often the drivers of racism and other forms of bigotry.
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Oct 10, 2020 00:08
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Are there seriously libs saying that crushing poverty doesn’t contribute to conservative radicalization among rural whites? Like that’s been common knowledge for over a century that the capitalist class pushes racist hatred onto the poor whites to keep them more focused on pushing down their fellow poofs for being other ethnicities rather than uniting with their class against capital
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Internet Wizard posted:Are there seriously libs saying that crushing poverty doesn’t contribute to conservative radicalization among rural whites? Like that’s been common knowledge for over a century that the capitalist class pushes racist hatred onto the poor whites to keep them more focused on pushing down their fellow poofs for being other ethnicities rather than uniting with their class against capital Yes because "I grew up poor and I'm not a terrorist!"
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Oct 10, 2020 01:04
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So wait, people are racist because they're poor? Or poor people are more likely to be racist? Or it's a conspiracy by the capital class to foment conflict in the proletariat? You can't all lay claim to the Singular Cause of Racism (tm)
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Oct 10, 2020 01:07
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Internet Wizard posted:Are there seriously libs saying that crushing poverty doesn’t contribute to conservative radicalization among rural whites? Like that’s been common knowledge for over a century that the capitalist class pushes racist hatred onto the poor whites to keep them more focused on pushing down their fellow poofs for being other ethnicities rather than uniting with their class against capital It's more that they like to claim moral superiority by saying that they accept that reality, but actively look for excuses for why a given case doesn't count. In this case, these guys aren't poor enough for capitalism to have helped radicalize them. You have to live in a trailer or be without electricity for it to count.
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Grip it and rip it posted:So wait, people are racist because they're poor? Or poor people are more likely to be racist? Or it's a conspiracy by the capital class to foment conflict in the proletariat? I didn't say there was a singular cause for racism, but rather poverty, inequality, misfortune, etc. are risk factors for being radicalized in various extremist ideologies. You see the same thing with being recruited into gangs and other forms of organized crime, terrorist groups, etc. Not everyone who experiences these things will be radicalized, but to ignore it because someone isn't poor or unfortunate enough is such liberal bullshit. It's the same reason they favor means testing.
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Internet Wizard posted:Are there seriously libs saying that crushing poverty doesn’t contribute to conservative radicalization among rural whites? Like that’s been common knowledge for over a century that the capitalist class pushes racist hatred onto the poor whites to keep them more focused on pushing down their fellow poofs for being other ethnicities rather than uniting with their class against capital I'm saying that one picture of this redneck's property is nowhere near enough to justify jumping to the conclusion that these idiots were radicalized by their crushing poverty.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I'm saying that one picture of this redneck's property is nowhere near enough to justify jumping to the conclusion that these idiots were radicalized by their crushing poverty. No, you're starting with the conclusion that it's not true and working backwards, which is why you linked the Twitter thread doing just that and flagrantly accusing me of being "class reductionist" when I disagree.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:16
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Toshokan posted:I didn't say there was a singular cause for racism, but rather poverty, inequality, misfortune, etc. are risk factors for being radicalized in various extremist ideologies. You see the same thing with being recruited into gangs and other forms of organized crime, terrorist groups, etc. They seem to be overwhelmingly radicalizing into a particular direction, so the reasons for that'd have to also be looked into. There's no radical marxists or whatever out there.
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Oct 10, 2020 01:18
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aphid_licker posted:They seem to be overwhelmingly radicalizing into a particular direction, so the reasons for that'd have to also be looked into. There's no radical marxists or whatever out there. Yeah, capitalism. They've been doing it since the beginning of the country. Dividing people along racial and ethnic lines prevented them from having solidarity along class lines.
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aphid_licker posted:They seem to be overwhelmingly radicalizing into a particular direction, so the reasons for that'd have to also be looked into. There's no radical marxists or whatever out there. This is primarily because the Democratic party, the only viable alternative to the fascist, racist GOP, is also staunchly pro-capitalist. Like for a lot of Americans, their idea of what socialism is is "what the Democrats are currently doing, but more of it".
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Capitalism is why white people become terrorists and minorities join gangs?
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Grip it and rip it posted:Capitalism is why white people become terrorists and minorities join gangs? Maybe re-read what I replied to you. Toshokan posted:I didn't say there was a singular cause for racism, but rather poverty, inequality, misfortune, etc. are risk factors for being radicalized in various extremist ideologies. You see the same thing with being recruited into gangs and other forms of organized crime, terrorist groups, etc.
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Science can tell you about trends. Science would demand random samplings of yard photos and a method to correlate those photos with acts of extremism to determine if there's a predictive link between yard photos and act of extremism, within their narrow assumptions of how each qualifies as what and at the end could, at best, tell you that crippling poverty (as predicted by yard imagery) is x% more likely to make an otherwise unaffected person an extremist, which is a completely useless statistic. Journalists can tell you about events. Journalists are not qualified to tell you about trends, unless they're repeating a scientists work. Twitter posters are even less qualified than journalists. Whatever this is exists in a lawless space between science and journalism where sufficiency is not a requisite property of evidence and motive serves as proof. If this doesn't make sense when I sober up, I'll probably replace it with a period.
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piL posted:Science can tell you about trends. Why is it a "useless statistic" that poverty is a risk factor for extremism? And this isn't really about "yard photos" as much as it is about people's reactions to them.
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Toshokan posted:Why is it a "useless statistic" that poverty is a risk factor for extremism? I predict that any such statistic would be incredibly low and mired in many cofactors. If having a yard photo that predicted poverty resulted in a technically significant but insufficiently large enough to be meaningful increase in extremism, then you couldn't really use it do anything. It would have to be a large number. I don't think it would be--if I'm wrong in that, it wouldn't be a useless statistic, though I'm not a fan of the ways in which that information could be used.
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piL posted:I predict that any such statistic would be incredibly low and mired in many cofactors. If having a yard photo that predicted poverty resulted in a technically significant but insufficiently large enough to be meaningful increase in extremism, then you couldn't really use it do anything. It would have to be a large number. I don't think it would be--if I'm wrong in that, it wouldn't be a useless statistic, though I'm not a fan of the ways in which that information could be used. You're way too fixed on the yard photos. You should come back tomorrow after you sober up.
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I'm just a simple country yokel that doesn't quite understand what all the fuss is about in this here derail. Mayhaps y'all could post some content that might do as to keep me and mine entertained, cuz ainst no way we gone read all that text in this here picture thread
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Socialism doesn’t cure racism, it just dulls the pain and puts a baseline of how crushed a group can be. If it’s done done well. If done poorly, you find a way to exclude minorities from socialist benefits for reasons. There’s also the hilarious stalinist propaganda about how the USSR cured racism.
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mlmp08 posted:Socialism doesn’t cure racism, it just dulls the pain and puts a baseline of how crushed a group can be. If it’s done done well. If done poorly, you find a way to exclude minorities from socialist benefits for reasons. My thoughts go immidiately to the Soviet Russia / chinese propaganda posters that made a love story of two dudes finding love then settling down to start a farm.
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its not just poverty, its the standard of living declining. People across the board can't afford to live in the same neighborhood they grew up in, or afford the standard of living they grew up with, despite similar education levels to their parents. In urban areas we are dealing with gentrification, in rural areas we're dealing with land consolidation.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAFbpWVO-ow Philosophy Tube is good and cool, and here's a video essay that has a lot to do with the prior discussion about racism and capitalism.
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Oct 10, 2020 22:01
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https://twitter.com/jkass99/status/1315371677266534400?s=19
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1316805807753879555
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Thank you for loving us so nicely.
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I hope Lindsey gave her the covid.
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Jack booted tots lmao
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I'm beginning to think that Democrats don't effectively represent their constituents.
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Oct 16, 2020 06:04
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Firmly believe Feinstein had Milk killed.
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