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WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Alaois posted:

just like animal crossing characters, anyone who had sexy thoughts about the osomatsu-san characters belong in jail

nice of you to admit you want to gently caress the osomatsus

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Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Alaois posted:

just like animal crossing characters, anyone who had sexy thoughts about the osomatsu-san characters belong in jail

Man this is some "Thanos snap Japans fujoshi population into a jailcell" poo poo.

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Arcsquad12 posted:

Is Nakey Jakey a chud?

Beefstew posted:

Not to my knowledge. He seems pretty cool.

Bad news, everyone:



https://www.resetera.com/threads/nakeyjakey-naughty-dogs-game-design-is-outdated.298277/

https://twitter.com/nakeyjakey/status/1135400722005147648

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Jontron? Without a mask on?! And in a flatcap?!?

This is even more cursed than I could've possibly imagined!

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

RareAcumen posted:

Jontron? Without a mask on?! And in a flatcap?!?

This is even more cursed than I could've possibly imagined!

That tweet is from July 2019 hence no mask.

Everything else is cursed.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

Jamie Faith posted:

:yikes:

I totally understand being attracted to some cartoon and anime characters but the idea of being attracted to osomatsu-san characters is like being attracted to the Simpsons or family guy characters...The art style is not aesthetically appealing at all (at least not in that way). Why would anyone be into that? I don't get it.

well to be fair these are also their official designs (used for alternate world jokes mostly):


can't say I understand picking the little muppet-face versions to put on your rear end mousepad but it's pretty funny and it's better than having an unironic rear end mousepad I guess.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAp64SxmGY

I thought this would fit here better than in the speedrun thread (which is kinda sick of drama about white suprematist adjacent youtubers at this point) , so here's a postmortem for the youtube career of ApolloLegend, the self-styled 'Keemstar of speedrunning'.

A sad tale where the takeaway lesson is 'if you get into an internet slapfight with a known litigious rear end in a top hat you should probably go get some actually decent legal advice beforehand instead of assuming you can troll the guy further and eventually make a popular video about winning the court-case like Jim Sterling did'.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

nice of you to admit you want to gently caress the osomatsus

poo poo dude even your attempts at owning me don't make sense

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
also fucksake NakeyJakey, that's the fastest I've gone from discovering a new youtuber to also discovering they're absolute trash.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
drat imagine how hard it is to get the grease stains out of your clothes after you get that close to jontron

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Mr Phillby posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAp64SxmGY

I thought this would fit here better than in the speedrun thread (which is kinda sick of drama about white suprematist adjacent youtubers at this point) , so here's a postmortem for the youtube career of ApolloLegend, the self-styled 'Keemstar of speedrunning'.

A sad tale where the takeaway lesson is 'if you get into an internet slapfight with a known litigious rear end in a top hat you should probably go get some actually decent legal advice beforehand instead of assuming you can troll the guy further and eventually make a popular video about winning the court-case like Jim Sterling did'.

Didn't ApolloLegend turn out to be a total chud creep?

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

Vagabundo posted:

Didn't ApolloLegend turn out to be a total chud creep?

Anybody who described themselves as the "Keemstar of X" probably is.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Casey Finnigan posted:

Am I nuts or does this kind of "why is this character attractive?" analysis only ever happen with male characters? I don't remember ever seeing anything like this Draco and Snape stuff about any female characters.

e: not just in terms of Harry Potter which I don't know much about, just fictional characters in general

I know you said you meant even outside Harry Potter, but specifically within it there aren't any female characters who you could explicitly call "morally ambiguous" or some other well-rounded gray area characters in the book people would find appealing in spite of (or because of) not being perfectly aligned with Harry.

The most developed female characters in the books are Hermione, Luna, and Ginny. With all the others underneath them either falling into the generic "good guy" camp or being cartoonishly evil. And all those tertiary female characters tended to dip into misogynistic stereotypes for some negative behavior at least once, even if they were on the good side.

While statistically some people had to be thirsting for Lavender Brown, one of the Patil twins, Dolores Umbridge, or Pansy Parkinson, they weren't doing it for the same reasons or in the same number others did for Snape or Draco because like why would you? You might as well write a romance with the Whomping Willow.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Mr Phillby posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtAp64SxmGY

I thought this would fit here better than in the speedrun thread (which is kinda sick of drama about white suprematist adjacent youtubers at this point) , so here's a postmortem for the youtube career of ApolloLegend, the self-styled 'Keemstar of speedrunning'.

A sad tale where the takeaway lesson is 'if you get into an internet slapfight with a known litigious rear end in a top hat you should probably go get some actually decent legal advice beforehand instead of assuming you can troll the guy further and eventually make a popular video about winning the court-case like Jim Sterling did'.

bunch of important notes here:

-ezscape is a self-professed huge supporter of cheese, a notoriously transphobic sm64 runner
-he repeatedly talks up how great karl jobst is. jobst is friendly with rwhitegoose, the nazi ezscape alludes to, and discord leaks show jobst agreeing with extremely racist poo poo goose said
-jobst also ran off a popular tetris and goldeneye runner from twitch by siccing his rather large fanbase on the runner to harass hin till he quit. his crime? he was gay.
-iirc some poo poo also came out about darkviperau shortly after all that poo poo happened as well, but he might have apologized, i dunno this poo poo was all poo poo
-apollo legend is a nazi who deserves exactly zero sympathy or any more chances and ezscape saying otherwise is totally unsurprising but nevertheless insulting

basically gently caress every single person in this video, including ezscape, and never trust speedrunning videos not made by summoningsalt

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

bunch of important notes here:

-ezscape is a self-professed huge supporter of cheese, a notoriously transphobic sm64 runner
-he repeatedly talks up how great karl jobst is. jobst is friendly with rwhitegoose, the nazi ezscape alludes to, and discord leaks show jobst agreeing with extremely racist poo poo goose said
-jobst also ran off a popular tetris and goldeneye runner from twitch by siccing his rather large fanbase on the runner to harass hin till he quit. his crime? he was gay.
-iirc some poo poo also came out about darkviperau shortly after all that poo poo happened as well, but he might have apologized, i dunno this poo poo was all poo poo
-apollo legend is a nazi who deserves exactly zero sympathy or any more chances and ezscape saying otherwise is totally unsurprising but nevertheless insulting

basically gently caress every single person in this video, including ezscape, and never trust speedrunning videos not made by summoningsalt

Jesus gently caress. What else is there literal murder?

Annointed fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Oct 10, 2020

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



I didn't hear that about darkviper. The only thing I saw on him was some use of the r word he apologized for. Though if I'm wrong let me know.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Another young woman's come forward with claims that Ryan Haywood basically groomed her, took advantage of her and slept with her, taking her virginity while she was young, naive and basically underage. Oh, and he took off his condom during it without her consent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Sq_kPERZI


Wouldn't be surprised if there's going to be more coming forward.

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 07:38 on Oct 10, 2020

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

Casey Finnigan posted:

Osomatsu-san dudes
After googling what that is, honestly what the gently caress


Inside A Mind-"The Bizarre World Of IAmSophie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsyXjDlPfjA

Izzzyzzz- "The Worst Low Budget Christmas Movie"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJ_9ogVybc

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Alaois posted:

poo poo dude even your attempts at owning me don't make sense

you said people who want to gently caress the osomatsus belong in jail, and you belong in jail, so...

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


WeedlordGoku69 posted:

you said people who want to gently caress the osomatsus belong in jail, and you belong in jail, so...

ah, the old "affirming the consequent" canard

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Mr Phillby posted:

also fucksake NakeyJakey, that's the fastest I've gone from discovering a new youtuber to also discovering they're absolute trash.

it'll probably better for everyone's mental health if we'd just start assuming everyone is absolute trash until they manage to positively surprise us

that should be the new normal

Dire Lemming
Jan 19, 2016
If you don't coddle Nazis flat Earthers then you're literally as bad as them.

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

you said people who want to gently caress the osomatsus belong in jail, and you belong in jail, so...

Why are you like this?

Libluini posted:

it'll probably better for everyone's mental health if we'd just start assuming everyone is absolute trash until they manage to positively surprise us

that should be the new normal

Unfortunately this turns out to be even worse for your mental health, you just can't win.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



everyone is trash it is simply a matter of uncovering in which way.

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Mr Phillby posted:

also fucksake NakeyJakey, that's the fastest I've gone from discovering a new youtuber to also discovering they're absolute trash.

Reminds me of the time I watched this guy's ("captaincaption" I think his name was) 3 hour long fallout 4 vid, loved it, then checked his twitter and saw him advocating for putting socialists in camps :stonk:

Also yeah I remember the first NakeyJakey (god thats a stupid name) vid I ever saw he made a war on Christmas joke. As in he was like, "merry christmas folks! Wait....Am I still allowed to say that??? Learn to take a joke people..." :stare:

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



The only acceptable war on Christmas jokes are those made at the expense of Puritans for literally outlawing Christmas.

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
I also only just recently discovered NakeyJakey on this thread because of his Last of Us video (and thought he made some good points against it at that)
Oh well that sucks.
Next people are gonna be trying to tell me Cybershell is terrible.

Beefstew
Oct 30, 2010

I told you that story so I could tell you this one...

Libluini posted:

it'll probably better for everyone's mental health if we'd just start assuming everyone is absolute trash until they manage to positively surprise us

that should be the new normal

A better option is getting offline and developing healthy coping mechanisms.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Beefstew posted:

A better option is getting offline and developing healthy coping mechanisms.

Thanks to growing up in the age of no internet, I have an unfair advantage, because I'm offline by default. That said, just by being born and having a childhood you should have learned to develop healthy coping mechanisms.

Though as our insane asylums aren't exactly empty, apparently I'm wrong.

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?

Libluini posted:

That said, just by being born and having a childhood you should have learned to develop healthy coping mechanisms.

god i wish i were neurotypical

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Beefstew posted:

A better option is getting offline and developing healthy coping mechanisms.

Nah I'm just going to keep on assuming everyone who plays video games is poo poo until they prove otherwise, it seems to work out pretty well so far.

Libluini posted:

Thanks to growing up in the age of no internet, I have an unfair advantage, because I'm offline by default. That said, just by being born and having a childhood you should have learned to develop healthy coping mechanisms.

Though as our insane asylums aren't exactly empty, apparently I'm wrong.

I remember The Before Times. If we were outside of our dwellings we had to spend small, fragmentary, pieces of currency to communicate with one another.

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

bunch of important notes here:

-ezscape is a self-professed huge supporter of cheese, a notoriously transphobic sm64 runner


Bah, I've heard this. I remember watching cheese a few years back when I started looking into Twitch/speedruns. What happened that made his transphobia come out?

(mind, a bunch of the folks I watched back then turned out to be total shitheads. Witwix, Calebhart...)

Shinji2015
Aug 31, 2007
Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

Kim Justice posted:

Bah, I've heard this. I remember watching cheese a few years back when I started looking into Twitch/speedruns. What happened that made his transphobia come out?

(mind, a bunch of the folks I watched back then turned out to be total shitheads. Witwix, Calebhart...)

Ugh, what did Caleb Hart do? His chat's awful, so I stopped watching him a while ago, but I didn't know of anything that he himself did.

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

Shinji2015 posted:

Ugh, what did Caleb Hart do? His chat's awful, so I stopped watching him a while ago, but I didn't know of anything that he himself did.

He's a racist, transphobic, abusive poo poo. All around horrible.

Here's an imgur link with screencaps from his Discord, full of slurs (cw of course): https://imgur.com/a/87myrfW

He got temporarily banned for accidentally pulling up a Discord chat on stream where he said the N-word.

And that's far from the worst thing. That would be this account of a relationship he had which is horrifying.

https://twitter.com/barbiexedge/status/1284858664088678401?lang=en

A completely horrific piece of garbage.

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

Casey Finnigan posted:

Am I nuts or does this kind of "why is this character attractive?" analysis only ever happen with male characters? I don't remember ever seeing anything like this Draco and Snape stuff about any female characters.

e: not just in terms of Harry Potter which I don't know much about, just fictional characters in general
There's certainly some degree of misogyny at play here which people have described pretty well on the previous page. But as someone who's followed these sorts of fandoms pretty closely, I think there's a bit more to it than straight-up misogyny and have no problems saying that this specific trend of women fixating on certain dark horse bad boy characters has led to some pretty dang pernicious or skeevy mindsets, so it's no wonder that they're usually subjects of mockery in these thinkpieces or video essays. If anything, I don't think they're mocked enough.

I don't think anyone would give a hoot if it were simply a matter of finding unconventional characters attractive. The issue is that it's not enough for certain fans to find certain characters attractive, but that Snape or Draco or Loki must also be martyred. They must be made noble, redeemed. They can't simply be hot, they also must be reinterpreted as the actual heroes of the stories, or even better than the actual actual heroes that they've often oppressed.

And male fandom just...well, it just objectively doesn't tend to do this. They might find a lot of "evil" female characters hot, but there's no notable history of them reinventing the script just so that they can imagine Morrigan or Cersei or Yennefer or whoever as heroic enough to fap to without shame. As much as male nerds might bitch and moan about the stuff that happens in their stories, male fandom tends to be pretty canon-complaint and you'll hardly ever hear them use terms like "headcanon" or "fanon."

In contrast, female fandoms tend to be transformative and interpretative about their media and make no secret about this fact. There's several reasons for this, but the basic gist is that when you're used to getting what you want from your media, there's no need to have to rewrite the story to yourself so that you'll like it more. Sometimes this leads to really interesting, unique, or just outright fun interpretations of media. Other times though, this means sugarcoating or just outright ignoring all the faults of a brooding male villain while exaggerating his virtues or just outright making them up.

And hell, even that itself might be fine -- it's all fiction, it's all fake, who cares, do what you want! -- except that it also has to be said that all this adulation is almost always focused on the whitest and straightest male characters, and often done at the expense of characters of color, or others who were canonically persecuted -- a lot -- by these white male characters. As the Snapewives article mentions, this is the part where Lily and Hermione actually deserved to be called the N-word, you see. This is the part where actually Finn from Star Wars is actually homophobic for hating Kylo Ren because Kylo is actually coded as queer and femme, actually. It ain't just men who sent John Boyega all those hateful messages.

So I'm iffy with this image of...hell, I don't even know what to call this. Women who love fictional creeps? Incel-loving women? Whatever they are, I take issue with them being categorized as harmless innocent fangirls being ostracized by the big bad patriarchy. Male or female, nerd toxicity knows no gender boundaries, though it might manifest in different ways.

BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Oct 10, 2020

Shinji2015
Aug 31, 2007
Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

Kim Justice posted:

He's a racist, transphobic, abusive poo poo. All around horrible.

Here's an imgur link with screencaps from his Discord, full of slurs (cw of course): https://imgur.com/a/87myrfW

He got temporarily banned for accidentally pulling up a Discord chat on stream where he said the N-word.

And that's far from the worst thing. That would be this account of a relationship he had which is horrifying.

https://twitter.com/barbiexedge/status/1284858664088678401?lang=en

A completely horrific piece of garbage.

Wow, gently caress this guy. Thanks for telling me

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG

Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate. I have a terrible taste for fictional characters but I never pretend they're not complete assholes or try to defend them. But there's this type of character like a bad boy with a heart of gold, which is quite popular among many women I think. So if they like this type they might try to take a regular piece of poo poo and justify his actions somehow.
And hey, Rowling wrote it so that every awful thing that Snape's ever done is justified by the end because he was in luv and one of the central themes of HP is that love is awesome and good and right and bad guys just don't love, so if someone loves, they can't be a baddy. If she believes that Snape was all right in the end, then why wouldn't HP fans believe the same thing?

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

BrianWilly posted:

And male fandom just...well, it just objectively doesn't tend to do this. They might find a lot of "evil" female characters hot, but there's no notable history of them reinventing the script just so that they can imagine Morrigan or Cersei or Yennefer or whoever as heroic enough to fap to without shame.

This makes me think of a character in FFXIV. Stormblood spoilers: There's a woman named Yotsuyu. She's very much the character where she comes on screen and twitch chat yells STEP ON ME, and she does actually indeed step on one of the characters' heads in one scene. She's full blown villain, she does have a pretty sad backstory but that doesn't really excuse the bad stuff she did. There's a point in the story where she gets amnesia and forgets everything about who she is and becomes this kind reserved almost childlike character. I was so worried that they were gonna try and redeem her and either keep her like that forever or when she gets her memory back she realizes what a poo poo she's been and changes her ways. In the end, she gets her memories back and goes right back to being the bad guy, and I was so relieved. She's a perfect example I think, she's the hot female villain that I think most people wanted to not change.

On the other side you have a character like Akechi from Persona 5 and I am just utterly baffled at people that not only want him to get redeemed but there's so much fanart of him like being real friends with the group or hooking up with the main character and I'm like, this character is a very bad guy. I totally understand if you find this bad boy hot but I do not understand wanting him to suddenly be redeemed.

Vegeta is the one exception here he is a good boy who did nothing wrong :colbert:

DeafNote
Jun 4, 2014

Only Happy When It Rains
Vegeta blew up some innocent people. Big deal!

...Besides if Adachi gets people making excuses for him, I can see why people would gravitate towards Akechi as well

Also Yagami Light.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

Doesn't basically every dragon ball saga just have them wishing all the victims back to life or some poo poo? I can at least see it for stuff like that where there's technically no consequences to their actions

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Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
Also, a very important thing: dudes just be horny

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