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https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1315070470258126853 Caps with the lesser van Riemsdyk now.
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Ginette Reno posted:So the Rangers could have had Fast for 2m per but chose to use 1 million to sign Jack Johnson. Imagine getting paid a million dollars to wear skates.
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Kilza posted:https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1315070470258126853 Is he, though? At least he was an unhealthy scratch most of last season. I don't know what a Joey Anderson is but godspeed Andreas "Mango" Johnsson, you were marginally above replacement level for a while and then got injured and sucked.
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Saad on COL is interesting, I don’t really know what COL’a gaps were (goaltending?) but seems like they’re in a good place to be a top contender again
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corn on the cop posted:i like joey anderson but you take that trade any day. fitz and the computer boys are doing some good work in computer we trust
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So Toronto ditched Andreas a .5 ppg player so 40pts over an 82 game season for a player with 13 points in 52 games. They swapped Kapanen, who I understand is questionable as a top 6 player, but still another .5 ppg guy for a first and replaced him with Simmonds who is 3 seasons removed from 40 and put up 9 of his 25 on the powerplay last season and 8 of 30 the year prior. Brodie is a significantly more rounded player than Barrie so I'll give credit for an improvement there. What I am getting at is for a team that has been missing depth scoring it really seems like they have downgraded big time.
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Johnsson should have been traded last year, he was never going to shoot 15% again and he had Rookie Shine on him. They could have used the space to not give up a first getting rid of Marleau. Sucks to lose him for nothing now, but it’s a flat cap world and the Leafs were over it, so 
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Depth scoring is replaceable. You need to keep a solid core of top-end players together and add/subtract pieces around them. It's why Lethonen and Mikheyev were signed, it's why Zaitsev was tossed away with depth winger Connor Brown. As much as everyone wants to think that the 3rd and 4th line must be perfect studs, they don't matter much come the post season as long as they give up less goals than they score.
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Dubas really going all-in on copying Tampa Bay’s moves despite having a significantly worse roster to start with I see
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So long as he doesn't play much, I guess he's a buffer for Sandin and Liljegren.
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Seems kinda cruel to demand Spezza take league minimum and then immediately give bigger deals to Simmonds and Bogo to be almost certainly worse
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Spezza wants to be a Maple Leaf. https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1315085573384790017 Bogo for sure is brought in to be a bottom pairing guy that'll probably have a scratch or two every week while teaching Sandin how to pass.
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Bogosian was alright for the Bolts in the playoffs. He ended up playing most of his time with Hedman, so as long as the Leafs also have the best defenseman in the league to pair alongside him it'll all work out fine. ...they don't? Oh dear
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Drunk Canuck posted:Depth scoring is replaceable. You need to keep a solid core of top-end players together and add/subtract pieces around them. It's why Lethonen and Mikheyev were signed, it's why Zaitsev was tossed away with depth winger Connor Brown. As much as everyone wants to think that the 3rd and 4th line must be perfect studs, they don't matter much come the post season as long as they give up less goals than they score. 40 point players don't grow on tree lol.
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If he was just a little bit better he could have made Jack Johnson money
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Drunk Canuck posted:Depth scoring is replaceable. You need to keep a solid core of top-end players together and add/subtract pieces around them. It's why Lethonen and Mikheyev were signed, it's why Zaitsev was tossed away with depth winger Connor Brown. As much as everyone wants to think that the 3rd and 4th line must be perfect studs, they don't matter much come the post season as long as they give up less goals than they score. Yeah, depth scoring will be anywhere from iffy to fine depending on if Kerfoot can bounce back and Robertson is ready. Simmonds and Spezza are shells of their former selves but we’re still at a 30 point pace last year which is fine for a fourth line. And they’ve been pulling random guys like Engvall, Johnsson, Brown, and Mikheyev our of their asses every year to the point where it’s probably safer to assume they’ll have some random dude no ones ever heard of chip in 25-30 points than not.
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I love Mango and there is no way he's a 20-20 guy again. That was a 15% shot year and that's way above his true talent.
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Johnsson played with Matthews, sure, but when he wasn't on his wing he was on the ice with like Par Lindholm or the Goat. I think he'll be fine with Jersey if he can stay healthy, but the way he plays he probably won't stay healthy.
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That Eakin deal is a nightmare, I don't know if anyone's dined out more on a Team Canada appearance in the modern era.
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pseudodragon posted:Yeah, depth scoring will be anywhere from iffy to fine depending on if Kerfoot can bounce back and Robertson is ready. Spezza put up 7 of 25 on the powerplay. 12 of 27 the year prior on the powerplay. 11 of 26 before that. I already pointed out Simmonds also produces a large percentage of points from the powerplay. Johnsson has 12 of 67 total points from the powerplay making him a larger 5v5 contributor than both. Kap has nearly has as many shorthanded points as powerplay. Kerfoot is exactly where you would expect him considering the change in his deployment and drop in shooting percentage. The Leafs got worse. Good luck betting on nobodies.
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Drunk Canuck posted:Spezza wants to be a Maple Leaf. This breaks my heart to hear as Spezza has been my favorite player of all-time since he entered the league; at least he could go to a team that has a chance at a cup  at least he got a WC gold to go with his Spengler Cup 
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Work has been so busy (go get your flu shots people) I didnt even have the time to catch up on hockey stuff. Bowman losing the Saad trade all three(four?) times hes done it is loving impressive at this point. Also Crawford in NJ is 2020 continuing to suck and taunt me. 
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Spezza put up 7 of 25 on the powerplay. 12 of 27 the year prior on the powerplay. 11 of 26 before that. I already pointed out Simmonds also produces a large percentage of points from the powerplay. Johnsson has 12 of 67 total points from the powerplay making him a larger 5v5 contributor than both. Kap has nearly has as many shorthanded points as powerplay. Kerfoot is exactly where you would expect him considering the change in his deployment and drop in shooting percentage. The Leafs got worse. Good luck betting on nobodies. what's your obsession with depth scoring? the leafs' top six is stacked. it means they're not paying as much for the rest of their forwards and not expecting as much from them either. the leafs are one of the top teams in scoring goals in the nhl. goals scored by bottom-six guys don't count for double. it does not matter at all. they score lots of goals. they will continue to score lots of goals. their defence is also better than it was last year, and they have legitimately good prospects that are knocking on the door right this minute in Robertson and Sandin. like sure, maybe they get lovely bounces and injuries next season and you'll have something ready to point to for their failure, but losing a dude they drafted in the seventh round a few years ago for nothing is not going to gently caress with the team's progression.
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"Hey Stan, I'll offer you Brandon Saad in exchange for the final 10 years of your life."  /https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/hockey/2015/06/11/brandon-saad-a-key-cog-for-blackhawks-in-quest-for-stanley-cup/brandon-saad.jpg)  "My son will always be remembered as a risk-taker."
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Mike_V posted:isn't zadorov not very good? You are correct
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Mike_V posted:isn't zadorov not very good? Do you like hits? Big Hits!? Earth shattering hits!? Then have I got good news! ....... But otherwise yeah no, he's pretty bad. But HITZ!!!
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Call Your Grandma posted:what's your obsession with depth scoring? the leafs' top six is stacked. it means they're not paying as much for the rest of their forwards and not expecting as much from them either. the leafs are one of the top teams in scoring goals in the nhl. goals scored by bottom-six guys don't count for double. it does not matter at all. they score lots of goals. they will continue to score lots of goals. their defence is also better than it was last year, and they have legitimately good prospects that are knocking on the door right this minute in Robertson and Sandin. Toronto was also #6 in goals allowed, behind elite teams like San Jose, New Jersey, Detroit, and Ottawa. Scoring a bunch of goals doesn't mean squat if you're giving up a ton too. Quality depth absolutely matters in today's game. Everyone aside from deliberately tanking teams has a great top line, and also build lines and systems around either shutting off or at least matching an opponent's top line. Toronto convinced themselves all they needed was a great top 6 and league average goaltending, and all that's gotten them has been a bunch of first round exits and being stonewalled by David Ayres. When their solution is to "be harder to play against" and they go out to get the loveable but broken shell of Wayne Simmonds, that is not helping.
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Call Your Grandma posted:what's your obsession with depth scoring? the leafs' top six is stacked. it means they're not paying as much for the rest of their forwards and not expecting as much from them either. the leafs are one of the top teams in scoring goals in the nhl. goals scored by bottom-six guys don't count for double. it does not matter at all. they score lots of goals. they will continue to score lots of goals. their defence is also better than it was last year, and they have legitimately good prospects that are knocking on the door right this minute in Robertson and Sandin. Because while a stacked top 6 can land you 3rd the Atlantic and a first/2nd round exit it doesn't win you a cup which is what I assume the Leafs have pretentions of? Brodie goes a decent way towards shifting the balance in regards to improving the defensive side. Simmonds does not. Another year older Spezza does not. I will happily concede the point on Johnsson though, I hadn't realized he played with Matthews so much. Still leaves some larger holes in the top 6 as well though regarding depth on the wing no? Edit: to dredge up old Pens look at Fehr and Cullen's fancies. Fehr put up 10ish points and got cratered in regards to corsi. His expected values though are neutral however. That is what a super useful depth defensive forward looks like. Cullen is an even more impressive example where he put up 30 points with 12 minutes a night and a 65% D zone start. Positive xG too. Having 4th liners that do not give away goals like kittens is hugely important for success in both the regular and postseason. rex rabidorum vires fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 11, 2020 |
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So the Leafs ended up a 50/50 split team at 5v5 after being a 54% GF team the 2 years prior. On the front end this is mostly John Tavares/Marner/Kapanen being -9, -3, and -6 in regards to goals 5v5. Frederik Gaughtier, Trevor Moore, Nic Petan, Kyle Cliffor, and Dennis Malgin also had negative 5v5 outcomes. Auston Matthews gets a huge mention for being +19 in regards to goals scored at 5v5 and basically carried the team in that regard. Nylander was only +2. On the backend you have Lijegren and Sandin with -5 and -6 respectively. Everyone else except Dermontt has *nearly* 50/50 splits with Travis putting up +8 goals for 5v5. TJ Brodie was a +5 last year and +18 the year before that. Potential for a big step there. Wayne Simmonds is a net -32 over his career 5v5 and the trend is insanely obvious when you sort by season. Being a +1 or 0 up until 2010-2011 where he's -2 followed by seasons of -8, -11, -14, -12, and -14. Kapanen is a career -4 and Johnsson +19. To get off the Leafs I'll go into the 2 guys the Pens added. Jankoswi is a career -25 goals for at 5v5. However, his expected values are all ~50-52%. Going off of Natural Stats spreadsheets he's pretty even in regards to scoring chance creations, but he is a net positive high danger creator. So if he creates as much if not slightly more than the opposition why is he such a minus in regards to 'real' outcomes. Mostly he doesn't appear to be a very good finisher. Creating 50/50 High Dangers but only seeing a 40/60 split in them being scored. I think there is some upside to this player. Most of the same applies to Evan Rodrigues who is a -21 career player. Rodrigues gets a bit more leeway from me because of his zone deployments however.
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Mike_V posted:isn't zadorov not very good? He's the Russian version of Oleksiak: Big hits, questionable hits defensively, but sometimes he scores a goal too
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Mike_V posted:isn't zadorov not very good? The Hawks have been cornering the market on "defensemen who are are bad at defense" for several years now, so he'll fit right in. Furnaceface posted:Work has been so busy (go get your flu shots people) I didnt even have the time to catch up on hockey stuff. I get why they are trading Saad since they won't be remotely competitive without a goalie of Crawford's caliber, but the return is awful. If they want to rebuild - and I think that decision is correct - then they should have asked for picks and/or young prospects for their best remaining trade chip.
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