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A few pages back and while you're correct about W being a piece of poo poo, that quote didn't actually come from him - it came from some spook operator in Afghanistan when they were consecrating some weird shine thing to 9/11 in the mountains. It gets misattributed all over the internet, its a minor pet peeve of mine, because he is absolutely a loving grade A piece of poo poo and it hurts arguments against him to misattribute quotes to him. The quote is real, and it is in the Woodward book, it just doesn't get said by Bush.
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Glumwheels posted:Look I know republicans vote to lower their taxes and/or to hurt “those” people (immigrants, liberals, minorities etc) to make themselves feel better because they’re living like/in poo poo. I get that but what I don’t get are these people who switch from voting for Obama/Hillary to voting for Trump. It’s like slamming your dick in the door. One fun feature that comes with self-awareness is self-doubt "poo poo, maybe the conservatives are right actually  "
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Djarum posted:I wonder what the true evil thing caused Trump to push this COVID response. I am sure we will find out at some point in the next few years and it will spark even more outrage. I think it is pretty straight forward, before COVID his best shot at re-election was the 'strong' economy and when COVID hit he was worried that shutting everything down would damage the economy a lot. Back in March most people were assuming that any sort of shut down would be 2-4 weeks at most so I think Trump assumed we could just keep things open and be ok. Of course that isn't what happened and here we are 9 months later.
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Trump's rehabilitation will occur as a result of ecofascism replacing neoliberalism as the dominant power. When we gas the Mexicans and put the Quebeckers in death camps then the statues will be built.
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Oct 12, 2020 02:42
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Isn't the U.K. counting on Trump winning in order to coast through Brexit?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Isn't the U.K. counting on Trump winning in order to coast through Brexit? ..... what is it that you think the U.K. needs from a Trump-led US government?
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Rigel posted:..... what is it that you think the U.K. needs from a Trump-led US government?  BREXIT to some extent) he is in no rush to give the UK special cuddly trade terms.
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Rigel posted:..... what is it that you think the U.K. needs from a Trump-led US government? Outside help dismantling the NHS so they dont take all the blame and never get elected again?
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This dipshit thinks he can really win California. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315454466418712576
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Glumwheels posted:Look I know republicans vote to lower their taxes and/or to hurt “those” people (immigrants, liberals, minorities etc) to make themselves feel better because they’re living like/in poo poo. I get that but what I don’t get are these people who switch from voting for Obama/Hillary to voting for Trump. It’s like slamming your dick in the door. An incredible amount of typically solid blue labor union voters switched to MAGA in 2016 & continue to be latched to it (though the enthusiasm seems to have damped somewhat). I work rather extensively with UA & IBEW workers and the switch was remarkable to see. To this day I think this demographic's flip was one of the large things that gave Trump just enough of a tip in Michigan/Pennsylvania. This included those who were PoCs, Mexican immigrants etc. Main reasons from speaking to them (and biased by my understanding): 1) Populism - They almost all generally liked Bernie and found Hillary very disingenuous seeming in contrast. They loved that Trump 'told it like it was' - a large part of this was racism & misogyny, but for all his idiocy Trump probably does actually have some of his moronic views (at least the ones he passionately tweets about - the bible thumping stuff is minimized for obvious reason). Hillary came across as a political windsock - one who would adopt any ideology or view if it polled appropriately without actually giving a poo poo about anything or anyone (this is probably tinged in truth). 2) Project approvals - the union groups have a vested interest in any and all major projects being approved quickly and in general. Trump's campaign reached out to these blue collar labor groups and promised they'd rubber stamp a lot of projects held back by groups like the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC is controlled by 3/5 of the party in power). The larger energy projects (many tied to natural gas) provide guys who otherwise sit on their tools projects that pay them $4,000 - $5,000 a week (and at peak in 2017-2018 many companies offered huge 6-10 dollar hourly premiums on top of 7x 12 hour shift schedules over 1+ years from this influx). 3) Internet conspiracy crap - Speaks for itself but the amount of falsehoods and insane claims about the Obama administration were wild; their diffusion through the internet really warped the views of a lot of this older demographic. 4) Trump as Not a True Republican - Most of them had an incredible distrust of Republican administrations but genuinely believed Trump was looking out for them and would dismantle the 'deep state' elements of the party to bring it to a new corruption-free era with his keen business sense etc. Capri Sunrise fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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One of the bits of news that came out during the last few months is that Kushner thought the “free market” would solve the PPE distribution problem and blocked anything else. This administration is full of people who never ran into a problem they couldn’t bully or smooth talk their way past. Covid was an animal unlike anything they had ever seen.
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Rigel posted:..... what is it that you think the U.K. needs from a Trump-led US government? I've been told that they have something worked out with Trump that they will get very favorable trade agreements with the U.S. as they move further away from the EU.
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Wilhelm posted:
Do they still feel this way? I'm trying to wrap my head around this, but it seems like a lot of Trump types really do believe that the Obama administration was absurdly corrupt and that Trump has been corruption-free.
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ryde posted:Do they still feel this way?
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Deteriorata posted:There is nothing Trump can do at this point to win the election. There are things Joe Biden can do to lose it, but he's rather unlikely to do any of them. Yeah it seems this is the case. Biden has to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory with serious scandal at this point. Or polling truly 100% means nothing anymore.
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ryde posted:Do they still feel this way? Most, but it's definitely declined - I think it's still a large majority however. I see a lot more 'both sides are evil' type stuff vs. the pure MAGA train enthusiasm I saw in 2016. Keep in mind this demographic was always very pro-gun and very anti-illegal immigration (believing it devastates labor unions with cheap unregulated/unsafe inflows of people) so there were always seeds for the Republicans to make inroads there. He's seen as keeping his promises with respect to Mexico/the military/gun rights & most importantly contributing to the explosion of large union contracts (Pennsylvania has many on the go still - though most of this was just driven by the market) - I think this is something incredibly smart his campaign/admin targeted successfully that the Democrats were blindsided by.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Crossposting from the Mutual Aid, Activism, and Organizing thread. It's a drop in the bucket, but I donated.
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Trump's down to 14% on 538. Trump's chances of winning continue to drop a percentage point every couple of days.
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massive spider posted:It’s fundamentally a boring, unsexy issue to deal with. The things you have to do to deal with it involve making unpopular decisions, and its an “if you do things right-no one will know because nothing happens” type issue. I don't think that's true. People would love a good covid response, especially if it involved good stimulus/UBI for the duration. Even if the USA wasn't making GBS threads the bed there'd still be a massive worldwide death toll and Russia and Brazil's terrible responses to show how bad things could have been.
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Wilbur Swain posted:This dipshit thinks he can really win California. I'm related to enough San Joaquin Valley chuds that are still parroting the "hippies wouldn't let logging companies cut trees down and that's why we have fires" line that it does give me pause. Then I remember the entire rest of the state exists.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Yeah it seems this is the case. Biden has to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory with serious scandal at this point. Or
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Shifty Pony posted:Covid was an animal unlike anything they had ever seen. So, a dog then?
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Glumwheels posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ShaneGol...genumber%3D1617 quote:“He said, ‘Look, Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party make me feel bad about myself. Donald Trump makes me feel good about who I am." See these two quotes? These two quotes are everything you need to know about that article's subject matter.
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Sex Hobbit posted:I'm related to enough San Joaquin Valley chuds that are still parroting the "hippies wouldn't let logging companies cut trees down and that's why we have fires" line that it does give me pause. Is San Joaquin Valley the place that made the news a few years ago because it started sinking?
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Trump's down to 14% on 538. Trump's chances of winning continue to drop a percentage point every couple of days. At this point, these odds are mostly being propped up by time and the model's inherent "hey, anything can still happen, we have weeks to go!" uncertainty.
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Furnaceface posted:Is San Joaquin Valley the place that made the news a few years ago because it started sinking? Indeed it is!
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Trump's down to 14% on 538. Trump's chances of winning continue to drop a percentage point every couple of days. That's about half what it was in 2016, so his chance of winning 2020 is literally a coin flip.
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Sanguinia posted:See these two quotes? These two quotes are everything you need to know about that article's subject matter. yeah. if trump weren't hemorrhaging seniors AND college whites, this might be enough. but all there plans hinge on it being a repeat of 2016 and a close election. which it probably won't be. the other issues as has been stated a million times is he had done NOTHING to expand his base. folks like my dad and various are sick of the division and horrible poo poo and while they think biden may gently caress them over on some level on the fiscal side or some such, they are gonna vote for him because trump has made poo poo to loving awful. he pissed away the silent majority types who sat out last time because he was a openly bigoted loud rear end in a top hat.
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Rigel posted:At this point, these odds are mostly being propped up by time and the model's inherent "hey, anything can still happen, we have weeks to go!" uncertainty. Oh I'm well aware. I just find it very satisfying. PerniciousKnid posted:That's about half what it was in 2016, so his chance of winning 2020 is literally a coin flip. Um...what? No. Not remotely.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:it continues to amaze me the number of times bush would read a book on a random topic, end up shocked by the problem it laid out, and then immediately set up an initiative in response. it's the source of basically every one of the handful of decent things to come out of his administration According to wikipedia, PEPFAR, the AIDS thing that Bush started and championed like hell has done the following: The U.S. directly supported life-saving antiretroviral treatment for more than 5.1 million men, women, and children worldwide as of September 30, 2012. PEPFAR directly supported HIV testing and counseling for more than 11 million pregnant women in fiscal year 2012. PEPFAR supported antiretroviral drug prophylaxis to prevent mother-to-child transmission, more than 750,000 of these women who tested positive for HIV, allowing approximately 230,000 infants to be born HIV-free. PEPFAR directly supported nearly 15 million people with care and support, including nearly 15 million orphans and vulnerable children, in fiscal year 2012. PEPFAR directly supported approximately 2 million male circumcision procedures worldwide cumulatively through September 2012. PEPFAR directly supported HIV testing and counseling for more than 46.5 million people in fiscal year 2012, providing a critical entry point for treatment, prevention, and care. His legacy is having caused incalculable suffering both without and within his country but his work on AIDS and the lasting impact it's continuing to have is something else. Like it's almost an LBJ thing. Amazing advances in civil rights, last real president to give a rat's gently caress about the poor, also escalated the Vietnam conflict into the morass it became. poo poo is weird.
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PerniciousKnid posted:That's about half what it was in 2016, so his chance of winning 2020 is literally a coin flip. It's chances of winning the electoral fromage [sic] on election night were 70/30 (or whatever). It did. Yay. It's chances now are, um reduced. Yay. If one lives in tornado country, one learns that outside chances sometimes win. But not often. https://i.imgur.com/zTAGq5Z.jpeg Otteration fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315480195990781952 I mean, I AM objectively better off than I was four years ago, in various ways. Sure as poo poo doesn't mean I'm ever going to vote for Trump.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Um...what? No. Not remotely. I think it was a joke. Since he won, then in retrospect his odds were really 100%. If the model is now half what it was in 2016, then his odds are down to a coin flip.
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Rigel posted:I think it was a joke. Oh. I figured it may have been a joke but was having trouble parsing it.
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PerniciousKnid posted:That's about half what it was in 2016, so his chance of winning 2020 is literally a coin flip. ~15-16% is a little worse than 1 in 6. So imagine rolling a 1 on a d6. Or... playing Russian Roulette. Yes, the odds are in your favor, but you're not exactly "safe". SamuraiFoochs posted:Trump's down to 14% on 538. Trump's chances of winning continue to drop a percentage point every couple of days. Yeah it's moving fast. A combination of great polls for Biden and also Trump just running out of time. The 538 model assumes the polls will return to the mean over time. I think they said a few days ago that if the election were held today Trump's odds would be closer to 9%. He has to start moving the needle fast, and it may be already too late with how much early voting is going on right now.
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Wilbur Swain posted:This dipshit thinks he can really win California. I love how his strategy to win California is "hey redirect all your rivers" Like uh, okay duder
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Do they count early votes when they get them? I'm just wondering if there's any chance we'll get a definitive answer on election night. Depends on the state
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