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Youth Decay: Aug 18, 2015

Wingnut Ninja posted:

John S. McCain III (the senator) had a son as well. You can imagine what his name is.

The Theodore Roosevelts are up to V. The Franklin's only went up to III.

side note it is interesting that Teddy's heir is Republican investment banker while FDR III is a socialist who's said that his grandfather didn't go far enough with the New Deal.

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FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

If this happened in another country we would ask the UN to intervene

https://twitter.com/brent_peabody/status/1315737568344932359?s=21

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:20

Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Eric Trump giving a strong showing in the Stupidest Son competition.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1315759147338653696?s=20

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:21

LeeMajors: Jan 20, 2005; I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!

haveblue posted:

https://twitter.com/sarahfrier/status/1315727653865844736

This is the kind of incremental change the Dems can rally behind!

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:24

Ynglaur: Oct 9, 2013; The Malta Conference, anyone?

ryde posted:

The usual argument is that there�s a spirit of free speech that�s being violated and these platforms are so large and influential that they should be considered a new public commons.

And there is a good legal standing for this argument. It's also a hell of a slipperly slope that is difficult to control if, for example, the executive branch wants to clamp down on speech against his/her party. The problem is that these platforms are not merely a public square, but enable organization in a way a mere field in front of town hall does not. "Enables organization of people to enact violence" is different than, "enables citizen to call out government official for corruption." The point of the first amendment is to protect against tyranny, not enable it by populist means.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:24

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

FlamingLiberal posted:

If this happened in another country we would ask the UN to intervene

https://twitter.com/brent_peabody/status/1315737568344932359?s=21

president xi, my people cry for freedom

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:25

Grondoth: Feb 18, 2011

FlamingLiberal posted:

If this happened in another country we would ask the UN to intervene

https://twitter.com/brent_peabody/status/1315737568344932359?s=21

So I've heard good things about HR1, and the democrats on a whole are all talking about voter rights, but what does it actually do? How would it fix this poo poo?

Cause this poo poo is disgusting, and a reminder that this country was never founded on the idea that everyone should vote.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:27

Kale: May 14, 2010

BiggerBoat posted:

I don't think a lot of you guys and most of the people in these threads insisting that Trump is just gonna go away truly realize how hard of a right leaning swing the Overton Window has undergone just since 9/11 alone. Never even mind since Reagan.

The primary difference is TRUMP WON. And he beat the big bad Hillarybeast along the way. He was famous before that. He is the living embodiment of the anti intellectual, greedy, lying, phony, flag sucking, shallow, pseudo patriotic, bald eagle worshiping golem that RWM, FB bullshit and FOX News have been building for basically 80% of my life. His followers are dug in deep and killing people in the streets; teaming up with cops. The true believers are in office now.

Hes not loving going anywhere. He's not Bush, Palin, Ryan, McCain, Christie or any of those other flash in the pans in the conservative of the month club. He's Frankenstein unbound and we've seen for 5 years now that he simply has no bottom in terms of wavering support. Anyone who thinks that ANY of this conflict and unrest is going to end on Nov. 4th is sadly mistaken. I think the page has truly been turned. GWB had a rock bottom base I used to call the 33 and 1/3 club. We're now at the 2 out of every 5 club. They are stupid and heavily armed with a warped sense of patriotism. It's a dangerous combination.

People don't listen to news, reason and information. In fact, they seek out their own. They're victims of decades of an underfunded education system. They create their own social media websites when reality intrudes too much into their bubble and gets too biased. They think a guy named Soros sends me checks to post here and that democrats harvest adrenochrome in pedophile pizza parlors with the full assistance of the NYT, CNN and WaPO. Not ALL of them but a LOT. I work with them. The days of ignoring and laughing at them are kind of over and, trust me, when/if Trump loses they WILL double down to keep sucking his cock. He's not loving going anywhere. He'll get a TV or radio show, be a daily/regular guest on FOX News and his dumb followers will eat it up like Jonestown. He'll probably go on loving Dancing With the Stars and brag about the huge ratings it will get. He'll be everywhere.

Remember how much fun we had laughing at the Tea Party and how stupid that all seemed? Making fun of mega churches and their faith healing spring water and poo poo? We're laughing at OANN right now. These people are legit inane and view Trump as the culmination of the american ideal. I've never seen anything like it - the level of sheer unwavering devotion and cult like excuse making these people have proven themselves capable of. And someone like Joe Biden isn't going to lead us out of it either.

Since Social media has come around I've seen a significant increase in cult like behavior and blind worship of various things or people (usually but not always expressed in the form of some sort of easy to remember memes and mantras), but I think up until Trump, Bolsonaro and the like we were lucky to go as long as we did before that sort of self perpetuated fervor landed on somebody that would abuse the poo poo out of it (and social media such as Twitter or Facebook to perpetuate and reinforce it) to do lasting real world harm.

The Fox News->Twitter->Trumpworld feedback loop cannot be understated in it's importance to and effect on MAGA's. I see it as like a persistent upkeep sort of thing by it's very nature. Hence IMO why the guy never ever shuts the gently caress up as to run a proper cult you have to permanently whip the base and remind them of "the enemy" and "the mission" otherwise they'll get distracted and maybe focus on something else and even potentially end up out of the cult and thinking for themselves or listening to viewpoints you haven't told them too.

Usually the cult worship things on social media that perpetuate it's like some celebrity or creative media type that people attach all kinds of hopes and dreams and grandeur on and borderline worship like I don't know the Keanu Reeves thing. The guy can basically do absolutely no wrong at this point, any quip he would make will get turned into some sort of iconic meme of people trying to one up one another with the most dramatic performative deifying of the guy as it all takes on a life of it's own, but in such cases they hold no ill intent that I'm aware of. They're most of the time just a quirky celebrity that seems ultimately grounded in reality if aware of their cult status with a specific group of people. Trump on the other hand is exactly the worst kind of person to have an unyielding cult of personality spring up around him since he legit thinks he's the center of the universe and he's owed it and that everyone ought to think and act like the people in the MAGA cult because to him it's just natural behavior and anything else is "UnAmerican" or "unfair". Also the fact that he managed to become President of The United States managed to put him in a unique position to really abuse the poo poo out of his cult leader status, something nobody else who has used social media, memes and their appeal to complacent stupid people has done yet.

It is indeed horrifying, but I can't say I've not seen anything quite like a cult of personality borne out of happenings on social media before. Just not quite so blatantly in the potential lasting damage to humanity and social discourse kind of way where the cult leader will abuse it to his own ends until somebody or something forcibly puts a stop to it somehow.

The way I see it too is that voting him out at least will remove the presidential powers/exceptions aspect of his cult status from the equation and given how everything is about him I don't know if he gives a poo poo about all the racist horrible poo poo if he's out of office and a private citizen again. I think it depends on a couple factors like if not being president loses him a ton of the blind adulation and fervor stuff from his base since he has no means to enact horrible policy anymore. If it doesn't give him the worship and praise I legit don't think he gives a gently caress about it whatever IT is.

Kale fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 12, 2020

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:28

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

I hope that HR1 or some subsequent budget bill would increase funding for voting machines in minority and densely populated counties.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:37

Djarum: Apr 1, 2004; by vyelkin

Honestly the last thing I want is any erosion of 1st Amendment protections. While I know the people that want them are well meaning the bottom line is the worst people will use any erosion to punish those that are most vulnerable. Germany made anything dealing with Nazis illegal and banned from their country, as we have seen that hasn't stopped them from having Nazi/White supremacist problems there still.

We have a large amount of the country who has been programed for decades now to embrace hate of all forms. Hell a friend of mine was just in Tennessee this weekend and said that an 8 year old started yelling at her for wearing a mask because "It is a Chinese Hoax." This mindset and behavior is taught and embraced. How you can disrupt and reverse it while keeping the protections that everyone needs I am not sure. Education and experience goes a long way into disrupting it but it is not enough.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:38

Seven Hundred Bee: Nov 1, 2006

Djarum posted:

Honestly the last thing I want is any erosion of 1st Amendment protections. While I know the people that want them are well meaning the bottom line is the worst people will use any erosion to punish those that are most vulnerable. Germany made anything dealing with Nazis illegal and banned from their country, as we have seen that hasn't stopped them from having Nazi/White supremacist problems there still.

We have a large amount of the country who has been programed for decades now to embrace hate of all forms. Hell a friend of mine was just in Tennessee this weekend and said that an 8 year old started yelling at her for wearing a mask because "It is a Chinese Hoax." This mindset and behavior is taught and embraced. How you can disrupt and reverse it while keeping the protections that everyone needs I am not sure. Education and experience goes a long way into disrupting it but it is not enough.

I really like Sacha Baron Cohen's speech about this:

quote:

Thank you, ADL, for this recognition and your work in fighting racism, hate and bigotry. And to be clear, when I say �racism, hate and bigotry� I�m not referring to the names of Stephen Miller�s Labradoodles.

Now, I realize that some of you may be thinking, what the hell is a comedian doing speaking at a conference like this! I certainly am. I�ve spent most of the past two decades in character. In fact, this is the first time that I have ever stood up and given a speech as my least popular character, Sacha Baron Cohen. And I have to confess, it is terrifying.

I realize that my presence here may also be unexpected for another reason. At times, some critics have said my comedy risks reinforcing old stereotypes.

The truth is, I�ve been passionate about challenging bigotry and intolerance throughout my life. As a teenager in the UK, I marched against the fascist National Front and to abolish apartheid. As an undergraduate, I traveled around America and wrote my thesis about the civil rights movement, with the help of the archives of the ADL. And as a comedian, I�ve tried to use my characters to get people to let down their guard and reveal what they actually believe, including their own prejudice.

Now, I�m not going to claim that everything I�ve done has been for a higher purpose. Yes, some of my comedy, OK probably half my comedy, has been absolutely juvenile and the other half completely puerile. I admit, there was nothing particularly enlightening about me � as Borat from Kazakhstan, the first fake news journalist � running through a conference of mortgage brokers when I was completely naked.

But when Borat was able to get an entire bar in Arizona to sing �Throw the Jew down the well,� it did reveal people�s indifference to antisemitism. When � as Bruno, the gay fashion reporter from Austria � I started kissing a man in a cage fight in Arkansas, nearly starting a riot, it showed the violent potential of homophobia. And when � disguised as an ultra-woke developer � I proposed building a mosque in one rural community, prompting a resident to proudly admit, �I am racist, against Muslims� � it showed the acceptance of Islamophobia.

That�s why I appreciate the opportunity to be here with you. Today around the world, demagogues appeal to our worst instincts. Conspiracy theories once confined to the fringe are going mainstream. It�s as if the Age of Reason � the era of evidential argument � is ending, and now knowledge is delegitimized and scientific consensus is dismissed. Democracy, which depends on shared truths, is in retreat, and autocracy, which depends on shared lies, is on the march. Hate crimes are surging, as are murderous attacks on religious and ethnic minorities.

What do all these dangerous trends have in common? I�m just a comedian and an actor, not a scholar. But one thing is pretty clear to me. All this hate and violence is being facilitated by a handful of internet companies that amount to the greatest propaganda machine in history.

The greatest propaganda machine in history.

Think about it. Facebook, YouTube and Google, Twitter and others � they reach billions of people. The algorithms these platforms depend on deliberately amplify the type of content that keeps users engaged � stories that appeal to our baser instincts and that trigger outrage and fear. It�s why YouTube recommended videos by the conspiracist Alex Jones billions of times. It�s why fake news outperforms real news, because studies show that lies spread faster than truth. And it�s no surprise that the greatest propaganda machine in history has spread the oldest conspiracy theory in history � the lie that Jews are somehow dangerous. As one headline put it, �Just Think What Goebbels Could Have Done with Facebook.�

On the internet, everything can appear equally legitimate. Breitbart resembles the BBC. The fictitious Protocols of the Elders of Zion look as valid as an ADL report. And the rantings of a lunatic seem as credible as the findings of a Nobel prize winner. We have lost, it seems, a shared sense of the basic facts upon which democracy depends.

When I, as the wannabe gangsta Ali G, asked the astronaut Buzz Aldrin �what woz it like to walk on de sun?� the joke worked, because we, the audience, shared the same facts. If you believe the moon landing was a hoax, the joke was not funny.

When Borat got that bar in Arizona to agree that �Jews control everybody�s money and never give it back,� the joke worked because the audience shared the fact that the depiction of Jews as miserly is a conspiracy theory originating in the Middle Ages.

But when, thanks to social media, conspiracies take hold, it�s easier for hate groups to recruit, easier for foreign intelligence agencies to interfere in our elections, and easier for a country like Myanmar to commit genocide against the Rohingya.

It�s actually quite shocking how easy it is to turn conspiracy thinking into violence. In my last show Who is America?, I found an educated, normal guy who had held down a good job, but who, on social media, repeated many of the conspiracy theories that President Trump, using Twitter, has spread more than 1,700 times to his 67 million followers. The president even tweeted that he was considering designating Antifa � anti-fascists who march against the far right � as a terror organization.

So, disguised as an Israel anti-terrorism expert, Colonel Erran Morad, I told my interviewee that, at the Women�s March in San Francisco, Antifa were plotting to put hormones into babies� diapers in order to �make them transgender�. And he believed it.

I instructed him to plant small devices on three innocent people at the march and explained that when he pushed a button, he�d trigger an explosion that would kill them all. They weren�t real explosives, of course, but he thought they were. I wanted to see � would he actually do it?

The answer was yes. He pushed the button and thought he had actually killed three human beings. Voltaire was right: �Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.� And social media lets authoritarians push absurdities to billions of people.

In their defense, these social media companies have taken some steps to reduce hate and conspiracies on their platforms, but these steps have been mostly superficial.

I�m speaking up today because I believe that our pluralistic democracies are on a precipice and that the next 12 months, and the role of social media, could be determinant. British voters will go to the polls while online conspiracists promote the despicable theory of �great replacement� that white Christians are being deliberately replaced by Muslim immigrants. Americans will vote for president while trolls and bots perpetuate the disgusting lie of a �Hispanic invasion�. And after years of YouTube videos calling climate change a �hoax�, the United States is on track, a year from now, to formally withdraw from the Paris accords. A sewer of bigotry and vile conspiracy theories that threatens democracy and our planet � this cannot possibly be what the creators of the internet had in mind.

I believe it�s time for a fundamental rethink of social media and how it spreads hate, conspiracies and lies. Last month, however, Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook delivered a major speech that, not surprisingly, warned against new laws and regulations on companies like his. Well, some of these arguments are simply absurd. Let�s count the ways.

First, Zuckerberg tried to portray this whole issue as �choices � around free expression�. That is ludicrous. This is not about limiting anyone�s free speech. This is about giving people, including some of the most reprehensible people on earth, the biggest platform in history to reach a third of the planet. Freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. Sadly, there will always be racists, misogynists, antisemites and child abusers. But I think we could all agree that we should not be giving bigots and pedophiles a free platform to amplify their views and target their victims.

Second, Zuckerberg claimed that new limits on what�s posted on social media would be to �pull back on free expression�. This is utter nonsense. The first amendment says that �Congress shall make no law� abridging freedom of speech, however, this does not apply to private businesses like Facebook. We�re not asking these companies to determine the boundaries of free speech across society. We just want them to be responsible on their platforms.

If a neo-Nazi comes goose-stepping into a restaurant and starts threatening other customers and saying he wants kill Jews, would the owner of the restaurant be required to serve him an elegant eight-course meal? Of course not! The restaurant owner has every legal right and a moral obligation to kick the Nazi out, and so do these internet companies.

Third, Zuckerberg seemed to equate regulation of companies like his to the actions of �the most repressive societies�. Incredible. This, from one of the six people who decide what information so much of the world sees. Zuckerberg at Facebook, Sundar Pichai at Google, at its parent company Alphabet, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, Brin�s ex-sister-in-law, Susan Wojcicki at YouTube and Jack Dorsey at Twitter.

The Silicon Six � all billionaires, all Americans � who care more about boosting their share price than about protecting democracy. This is ideological imperialism � six unelected individuals in Silicon Valley imposing their vision on the rest of the world, unaccountable to any government and acting like they�re above the reach of law. It�s like we�re living in the Roman Empire, and Mark Zuckerberg is Caesar. At least that would explain his haircut.

Here�s an idea. Instead of letting the Silicon Six decide the fate of the world, let our elected representatives, voted for by the people, of every democracy in the world, have at least some say.

Fourth, Zuckerberg speaks of welcoming a �diversity of ideas�, and last year he gave us an example. He said that he found posts denying the Holocaust �deeply offensive�, but he didn�t think Facebook should take them down �because I think there are things that different people get wrong�. At this very moment, there are still Holocaust deniers on Facebook, and Google still takes you to the most repulsive Holocaust denial sites with a simple click. One of the heads of Google once told me, incredibly, that these sites just show �both sides� of the issue. This is madness.

To quote Edward R Murrow, one �cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument�. We have millions of pieces of evidence for the Holocaust � it is an historical fact. And denying it is not some random opinion. Those who deny the Holocaust aim to encourage another one.

Still, Zuckerberg says that �people should decide what is credible, not tech companies.� But at a time when two-thirds of millennials say they haven�t even heard of Auschwitz, how are they supposed to know what�s �credible�? How are they supposed to know that the lie is a lie?

There is such a thing as objective truth. Facts do exist. And if these internet companies really want to make a difference, they should hire enough monitors to actually monitor, work closely with groups like the ADL, insist on facts and purge these lies and conspiracies from their platforms.

Fifth, when discussing the difficulty of removing content, Zuckerberg asked �where do you draw the line?� Yes, drawing the line can be difficult. But here�s what he�s really saying: removing more of these lies and conspiracies is just too expensive.

These are the richest companies in the world, and they have the best engineers in the world. They could fix these problems if they wanted to. Twitter could deploy an algorithm to remove more white supremacist hate speech, but they reportedly haven�t because it would eject some very prominent politicians from their platform. Maybe that�s not a bad thing! The truth is, these companies won�t fundamentally change because their entire business model relies on generating more engagement, and nothing generates more engagement than lies, fear and outrage.

It�s time to finally call these companies what they really are � the largest publishers in history. And here�s an idea for them: abide by basic standards and practices just like newspapers, magazines and TV news do every day. We have standards and practices in television and the movies; there are certain things we cannot say or do. In England, I was told that Ali G could not curse when he appeared before 9pm. Here in the US, the Motion Picture Association of America regulates and rates what we see. I�ve had scenes in my movies cut or reduced to abide by those standards. If there are standards and practices for what cinemas and television channels can show, then surely companies that publish material to billions of people should have to abide by basic standards and practices too.

Take the issue of political ads. Fortunately, Twitter finally banned them, and Google is making changes, too. But if you pay them, Facebook will run any �political� ad you want, even if it�s a lie. And they�ll even help you micro-target those lies to their users for maximum effect. Under this twisted logic, if Facebook were around in the 1930s, it would have allowed Hitler to post 30-second ads on his �solution� to the �Jewish problem�. So here�s a good standard and practice: Facebook, start factchecking political ads before you run them, stop micro-targeted lies immediately, and when the ads are false, give back the money and don�t publish them.

Here�s another good practice: slow down. Every single post doesn�t need to be published immediately. Oscar Wilde once said that �we live in an age when unnecessary things are our only necessities.� But is having every thought or video posted instantly online, even if it is racist or criminal or murderous, really a necessity? Of course not!

The shooter who massacred Muslims in New Zealand live-streamed his atrocity on Facebook where it then spread across the internet and was viewed likely millions of times. It was a snuff film, brought to you by social media. Why can�t we have more of a delay so this trauma-inducing filth can be caught and stopped before it�s posted in the first place?

Finally, Zuckerberg said that social media companies should �live up to their responsibilities�, but he�s totally silent about what should happen when they don�t. By now it�s pretty clear, they cannot be trusted to regulate themselves. As with the Industrial Revolution, it�s time for regulation and legislation to curb the greed of these hi-tech robber barons.

In every other industry, a company can be held liable when their product is defective. When engines explode or seatbelts malfunction, car companies recall tens of thousands of vehicles, at a cost of billions of dollars. It only seems fair to say to Facebook, YouTube and Twitter: your product is defective, you are obliged to fix it, no matter how much it costs and no matter how many moderators you need to employ.

In every other industry, you can be sued for the harm you cause. Publishers can be sued for libel, people can be sued for defamation. I�ve been sued many times! I�m being sued right now by someone whose name I won�t mention because he might sue me again! But social media companies are largely protected from liability for the content their users post � no matter how indecent it is � by Section 230 of, get ready for it, the Communications Decency Act. Absurd!

Fortunately, internet companies can now be held responsible for pedophiles who use their sites to target children. I say, let�s also hold these companies responsible for those who use their sites to advocate for the mass murder of children because of their race or religion. And maybe fines are not enough. Maybe it�s time to tell Mark Zuckerberg and the CEOs of these companies: you already allowed one foreign power to interfere in our elections, you already facilitated one genocide in Myanmar, do it again and you go to jail.

In the end, it all comes down to what kind of world we want. In his speech, Zuckerberg said that one of his main goals is to �uphold as wide a definition of freedom of expression as possible�. Yet our freedoms are not only an end in themselves, they�re also the means to another end � as you say here in the US, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But today these rights are threatened by hate, conspiracies and lies.

Allow me to leave you with a suggestion for a different aim for society. The ultimate aim of society should be to make sure that people are not targeted, not harassed and not murdered because of who they are, where they come from, who they love or how they pray.

If we make that our aim � if we prioritize truth over lies, tolerance over prejudice, empathy over indifference and experts over ignoramuses � then maybe, just maybe, we can stop the greatest propaganda machine in history, we can save democracy, we can still have a place for free speech and free expression, and, most importantly, my jokes will still work.

Thank you all very much.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:40

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1315756327428403200?s=21

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:41

marshmonkey: Dec 5, 2003; I was sick of looking
at your stupid avatar
so
have a cool cat instead.; Switchblade Switcharoo

BigglesSWE posted:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1315756327428403200?s=21

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1315768958742491136

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:43

Kale: May 14, 2010

Just wanted to add that I think the unthinking wait for em' to tell me what to think angle of social media where you can find your own "facts" and reality just the way you want it thing isn't going away for sure after Trump since that's just part and parcel of the algorithm and business model of social media. A significant number of people would rather just have their favorite cult personality (who they think is utterly brilliant but really just smarter than their dumb rear end and willing to do their own thinking however flawed and horrible it might be) define reality for them so they don't have to worry about complicated things like nuance, variables, exceptions, non-extremes and everything in-between all the typical rhetoric and bullshit so that will always have a place in our society going forward sadly unless the business model of social media is forced to make significant shifts somehow.

Like every time I see one of those dumb "I'm a simple man, I see x therefore I do y" self-deprecating memes that are popular on the internet these days, even if those people insist it's just "shitposting" or memes or whatever, that's the sort of stuff that makes me cringe the most because it's just such a terrifying blatant portent of the direction I feel we are headed in as a species. The potential inability for people to think for themselves is what I think sinks us as a species and pulls us into another dark age era ultimately, not any specific individual or event on it's own. I believe 1984 more or less makes the same argument as that being an end game for humanities potential and fall into stagnation and/or eternal fascism.

Kale fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 12, 2020

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:44

wet_goods: Jun 21, 2004; I'M BAAD!

I keep reading this thread title as "I could be one of the dinars" please change it

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:45

Abner Assington: Mar 13, 2005; For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god. Bloody Mary, full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now, at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon.

Amen.

haveblue posted:

https://twitter.com/sarahfrier/status/1315727653865844736

Somewhere in Los Angeles, Cenk Uygur inexplicably breathes a sigh of relief.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:46

queeb: Jun 10, 2004; m

Biden's media team is on the ball.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:48

Stickman: Feb 1, 2004

Raenir Salazar posted:

I hope that HR1 or some subsequent budget bill would increase funding for voting machines in minority and densely populated counties.

Funding is absolutely not the problem.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:53

Crows Turn Off: Jan 7, 2008

marshmonkey posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1315768958742491136

drat.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:53

Glumwheels: Jan 25, 2003; https://twitter.com/BidenHQ

marshmonkey posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1315768958742491136

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YzSHIYxdRs

That�s a really good clip, probably should be playing wherever Trump is playing his Fauci ads. Biden taking a page from the Lincoln project playbook.

Glumwheels fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 12, 2020

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:53

JordanKai: Aug 19, 2011; Get high and think of me.

marshmonkey posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1315768958742491136

Good to see Biden finally putting out ads with some teeth.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 22:59

Murgos: Oct 21, 2010

The Puppy Bowl posted:

And the hate is honestly less insidious than the outright lies they use to defend the hate. What the "free exchange of idea" types fail to account for is the human mind's ability to ignore reality in favor of a simple, self-righteous, lie.

1st amendment doesn't protect false statements. There is probably a reasonable way to ensure that even if the speech being exercised is disgusting it, at least, sticks with provable facts.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:01

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

I am really loving tired of all the pro trump ads that are at the top of YouTube mobile constantly.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:01

Kale: May 14, 2010

Crows Turn Off posted:

drat.

Yeah I feel like this is the sort of advertising that is most effective for the era we are in and will likely be much more effective than anything in Clinton's campaign. Like it's simple dunks but also clearly highlights the key issue with the guy without it making feel like the viewer is being talked down to in any particular way by "the liberal elite" which I feel is a key area where Clinton's campaign failed to connect with swing voters. I mean if your not sure at this point in the game, I feel you respond best to simple dunks that make your opponent look like a total lying unqualified idiot.

The Democratic campaign against Trump is also evolving with each weeks events that highlight how terrible Trump is on just basic duties of the office as they are pertinent while the Republican one is just the same old playbook that is unadapting to weekly events and that I just don't see how it wins over any new voters. The contrast is pretty stark between the admittedly highly effective getting your jobs back and making "the other" pay their share ones from 2016 versus 2020's Trump's usual personal beefs with the enemy and female usually non-Caucasian Democrats. The 2016 ads hit on an issue that went conceivably beyond Trump's hardcore base in appealing to areas such as the Rust Belt, but I don't see how 2020's do.

If Trump wins again it's because he didn't need to appeal to new voters at all because the electoral college already gives him an insurmountable advantage to just take it all with the MAGA Chuds and I can't see people just rolling over and accepting that sort of result without any sort of fight that'd make 2000 look like a minor disagreement.

Kale fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Oct 12, 2020

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:04

Ague Proof: Jun 5, 2014; they told me
I was everything

Wingnut Ninja posted:

John S. McCain III (the senator) had a son as well. You can imagine what his name is.

Would it change my vote if I knew?

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:05

Mat Cauthon: Jan 2, 2006; The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.

https://twitter.com/BenCollins1776/status/1315311160820867079?s=19

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1315086512082636801?s=19

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:09

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

They did it in 2016 so no surprise they're doing it again. Worst case, they get caught and have to delete one, but then they just make another

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:16

Seven Hundred Bee: Nov 1, 2006

In case people have missed it (or only read bookmarks), Athanatos is running a pinned thread to talk about improving D&D: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3943751

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:21

Kale: May 14, 2010

FlamingLiberal posted:

They did it in 2016 so no surprise they're doing it again. Worst case, they get caught and have to delete one, but then they just make another

Yeah the GOP loves this whole story of the person who used to be a "leftist Democrat but one day saw the light and decided they loved Trump and he was just right after all, and thus they cannot understand why so many Democrats hold so much hate in their heart for them and Trump and just had to switch parties....but whatevs just gonna post it all on my total real Facebook account registered yesterday. So much of the modern internet being fake as poo poo and made up has really taken the ability to take almost anything at face value out of the utility for me not gonna lie. The fact that it's so blatant with the GOP though cause it's either a stock photo or the exact same literal "walk away because I'm the real victim" story of people flip flopping their belief system over night doesn't really leave one guessing much though does it?

At the same time I can see it working on stupid people that just love OUTRAGEOUS content where somebody is supposedly getting owned (in this case the Democrats if any of it were actually real) without them thinking how it doesn't make sense and how so many people who registered in August or September just happen to want to tell everyone the same story.....so a fairly significant portion of twitter and Facebook's user bases I imagine.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:28

BRAKE FOR MOOSE: Jun 6, 2001

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

I really like Sacha Baron Cohen's speech about this:

I don't exactly disagree with his speech, but it's worth pointing out that as Facebook began the crackdown on far-right pages and QAnon bullshit, they simultaneously banned several leftist and anarchist pages that were mostly just reporting on the Portland protests. What is and is not hate speech, calls to violence, or conspiracy is determined not the merits, but by who has their finger on the ban button.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:39

Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

Two muscular arms clasping fists.jpg

Donald Trump ------------- "REVOKE 230!!!" -------------- Sacha Baron Cohen

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:41

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315761783177576450

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315779944002199552

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315781835515817984

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315778779097100289

same old whining.

but than have a real spicy hell take.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1315752374137479174

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:43

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Blows my mind that the official senate republican twitter is blasting out that diarrhea. Five years ago it would have been nothing but reminders to watch cspan and senators� birthday wishes.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:46

Grondoth: Feb 18, 2011

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Blows my mind that the official senate republican twitter is blasting out that diarrhea. Five years ago it would have been nothing but reminders to watch cspan and senators� birthday wishes.

The chuddification of the republican party is disgusting. I wanted to type sad but no, it's not sad. It's disgusting that now the whole party talks like a /pol/ poster.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:51

LeeMajors: Jan 20, 2005; I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!

poor Brett was asked some hard questions, gave disqualifying answers and still got his dream lifetime appointment. What a nightmare! :qq:

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:53

Oxyclean: Sep 23, 2007

LeeMajors posted:

poor Brett was asked some hard questions, gave disqualifying answers and still got his dream lifetime appointment. What a nightmare!

Even when they win, they're the sorest losers.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:54

pacerhimself: Dec 30, 2008; by Fluffdaddy

Why do they insist on reminding the country that Kavanaugh is a rape monster?

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:56

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Kale posted:

fake bird account stuff

I still think every website having a single account creation fee like SA is a good idea and would at least cut down on troll farms and poo poo like this.

also should the convo about somehow nationalizing Big Tech, look at the more fundamental thing of nationalizing internet service itself?

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:57

Wilbur Swain: Sep 13, 2007; These are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

The rally is just starting if you have any morbid curiosity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hyJ9j5Jpw8

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:59

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# ? May 20, 2024 12:40

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

pacerhimself posted:

Why do they insist on reminding the country that Kavanaugh is a rape monster?

because they are sore winner/losers who are mad that judge Boof got caught and embarrassed somewhat on TV unlike who his victim who will have to probably move around forever because of chuds assaults and poo poo.

# ? Oct 12, 2020 23:59

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