Mirificus posted:

I would like Public Executions posted:

I would really like to see Public Executions. I want to be a bad guy in Star Citizen. My dream is to hunt down criminals, bring them in, and execute them my self in front of people. I would really like it if that could happen to me as well. If someone could capture me, and the whole time Im playing my character. So they have me tied up and such and the bring me to the gallows. And the npcs force me down to the rope, or the guillotine, and as they put my head down I look out to the crowd of people and then... black.

It would be so fun for me to be able to experience that kind of fidelity with killing. I'm laughing at how violent this is.

Or just. Public Execution is general. Just capturing someone, like the leader of an enemy org. And in front of your whole own org you execute the guy!

I was watching Command & Conquer videos and this one is represents what i want pretty well...

Edit: I love being able to link youtube videos with time stamps! Great job who ever made the forums here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISDQg899qVY

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The Messers will rise again! People aren't afraid. We are more brave then ever! Now. We want to secure our safety. Safety through the death of others.

As I speak now, young men and women rise up under the guise of a Pitch fork. They ready them selves to battle, to send them selves to the Vanduul front to start unholy war! Thousands will die. It will start a war with the 'Duul unmatched from anything before! The organizers of the Pitchfork movement must be executed!

All across Spectrum death flys! Death is everywhere! And you shall not escape it! It will be in the stars! On the planets! In every public square! Death! Death! DEATH!

DEATH TO THE ENEMIES OF MESSER!

Edit: Actually if I wanted my character to be sensible I could talked about how the Imperator seat was created by Messers. But it's still active. So as long as a person is a "Good" person they can be the Imperator? But was the Imperator formed by Messers for authoritarian control? Just because it's not a Messer on the seat that doesn't change. Which is why I love Star Citizen. I love how everyone has giant cannons on their ships and everyone is a "good" guy/gal. haha. It's like. No. It's never okay to kill people. Im laughing pretty hard. It's so funny to me the way it's just like "ahh bandits in space, they aren't real people."

I read a lot of posts where people dont care about killing "trolls" or "Grefiers" but sometimes it feels like any time you attack anyone for any reason your automatically a troll or griefer. But im over simplifying things a lot. So I try to translate that into any story or character. What is going on in Star Citizen that theres all these people who can fly space ships, which would need years of education and physical discipline, that changes all these people into killers. A lot of people are, "I just wanna be a trader. But Ill kill bad guy." Well then you're not just a trader. You're a killer. As long as the Imperator is a good person everyone would be fine with public executions as long as they were bad people.

And then going further. There are people who probably really dont want execution because they dont want their characters to die. And those people I really want to publicly execute. But if I failed and they killed me it could be so much fun for them!

UGGH. It would be so fun to be hunted down by a bunch of goodie tooshoes. And then bring me somewhere, they list out all my crimes, and then they kill me. And it could make such a fulfilling story. And you could make a character and have an end for that characters. And MMOS never have endings. If they make some family system where you can just pick up off as a son or cousin, it wouldnt be the end of your game, just the characters story.

Join the Dark Side! Together we can traverse the verse and slay any would-begotten heroes! The galaxy is ours for the taking!

Antigravitas posted:

Messer is German for knife.

It is not a "cool" word, and nobody would name themselves "Messers".

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The information about how the simulated population of the PU is represented goes back over years, it is very dense and tends to use quite a bit of technical jargon... for example that word 'instantiated' might seem like a slightly made up word to say 'instanced, or put in place' etc, but it isn't, it has an actual meaning in computer science. It's when one part of a representation of a game asset or phenomenon is handled by one system when it is merely virtually simulated and then transferred to another game system when it becomes a possible player encounter. The player does not see this transfer take place. Game designers have spent decades learning how to 'fake' things that the player sees or experiences, NPC scripting is a part of this fakery. Scripts are triggered by what the players do and where they are, but they cannot change. If you go to Whiterun you will see Heimskr sometimes, but he will always be in Whiterun and his behaviour won't change. If you go to the market you will see NPC's and they will have dialogue and actions t perform, if however you are wearing an Amulet of Marra you will have a different script running for that NPC interaction. It's faked to look like the NPC has choice and autonomy, when they don't. The same in Mass Effect etc, if you hit the right dialogue tree options then the character interaction script options change. It's not dynamic, it's faked. The difference is that Chris Roberts will always take the opportunity to not fake it if he possibly can.

In Star Citizen the NPC's (both AI and Quantum) can change, they have personality traits and goals which can be affected by events, environment and player interactions. The Quantum system tells the AI NPC probability controller whether a player is likely to encounter an NPC at a particular location and time, and what type of NPC they will likely encounter. Once spawned the AI system takes control and the player interaction also governs what happens to that NPC, they may go 'out of sight' and back into the Quantum system, or they may persist with the player for as long as the player continues that relationship.

It is also not necessarily 'things' that are instantiated it could be a change in a condition. For example an NPC is a shop vendor that you encounter regularly since you have a home nearby where (s)he works. As they build up a r record of interaction with you the possibility of them changing roles begins to emerge the game system dynamically changes the options for that AI NPC according to the amount of player contact they have. You may get the opportunity to ask them to accompany you wherever you go, they then leave their job and have completely different set of goals from now on. If you then decide to part ways, the NPC will go off and find other things to do according to the environmental influences that exist at the time... but they have a record of what happened which stays with them even if they become 'virtual again', if you go to a place where they are 'virtually', there is a chance you will meet them again and they will remember you.

Will there be an exact ratio of 9:1 NPC's to a player wherever they go? Not necessarily, it depends upon the local environmental conditions. If 50 players go out into deep space, then the likely ratio to NPC to players will be near 0:1 for the majority of the time, but if those players now choose to go to an abandoned area where the economy has run down according to local conditions or lore then it wouldn't be appropriate to 'instantiate' 450 NPC's in a place that is supposed to be virtually deserted. So you may get a 1:1 ratio or perhaps 2:1 ratio. Now let's say that one of the group of 50 decides to go off to TEASA Spaceport, he's the only live player in there - it's supposed to be a busy bustling spaceport, they won't put in 9 NPC's just to maintain a strict 9:1 ratio - they'll put in whatever seems appropriate to the environment.

To answer your question specifically with the above in mind, if 100K player congregate in one area in the game (extremely unlikely and in a lot of places not even possible due to physical space constraints) then the NPC:PC ratio would be appropriate to the local conditions for that place. In your mind you are now thinking, well if 100K players turn up at TEASA Spaceport that's a huge number of NPC's in a small geographic region - but TEASA Spaceport couldn't physically hold 100K players, so it's not going to happen. The vendors will be there, the maintenance personnel, the security checkpoint guards and the mission giver NPC's will be there no matter how many PC's there are.

This 'environment appropriate' population is unique, most games simply have scripted events and that includes where NPC's are placed and what their actions are. Star Citizen NPC's (AI controlled) will be location and environment aware they have goals and personalities - they have homes, jobs and a 24 hours life cycle which includes places they like to hang out after work and which 'friends' they hang out with, if one area is far too crowded they will avoid it. If a place becomes run down or crime ridden, they will leave and go somewhere else. The quantum system merely deals with what the local environment 'should' look like according to the economic drivers and local conditions, the AI controllers take this into account when deciding which NPC's, and how many, to spawn in an area. The game server will also take into account how many players are in that area and they become part of the 'local population calculation' for the time they are present. They have told us that the Quantum system can handle up to 2 million virtual NPC's. If these were simple scripts then there would be no limit, the fact that there is a limit tells us that even Quanta have data to manage not simply a static database of scripts to draw from when an event is triggered.

One thing that Star Citizen does that is not usual practise is to layer simple variables and systems so that the possible numbers of variations become infinite. The DNA tech to create an infinite number of unique looking NPC's for example and also the reputation system. There is no game that has ever been created that has the possibility that you will meet an NPC and know that no other human has ever seen this face before, not even the developers who made the game and now that you have met him/her, every other player will now see that face - only on that NPC. This means they can do things that no other game does like have NPC's that live, grow old and die and you'll never see them again. When a player or NPC kills an NPC that NPC is gone, it will not respawn AND the record of that kill stays on the NPC's or players historical record which is a part of the reputation system. You may encounter NPC's who were once friends to other players but now have moved on. NPC's can be dynamic, the player interaction with the NPC can change the goals, skill levels and personality of that NPC.

crazy eyes mustafa posted:

“whala”

Phil Moscowitz posted:

Just eye rolling levels of fantasy

a new study bible! posted:

The sad thing about the power fantasies of these desperate needs is that I will never be able to sign up as a lowly deckhand on their ships only to gently caress a bunch of poo poo up and get fired.


Because the game will never be made.

Atopian posted:

People say that you'd never get volunteers for being Sanitary Unit Scrubber #9 on the SS Phallus Impudicus or whatever, but I think that isn't true.

If this game ever actually existed, the greatest joy would be signing up to crew a ship with a bunch of your friends and then seeing how long it took to give the captain a stress aneurysm.

Such grand dreams of stealing people's dreams, stolen in turn by the inability / unwillingness of the developers to actually make a game.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Isn't this already Space Station 13

Body Collecting Jobs posted:

I'll start by saying the pictures used aren't actual dead bodies in plastic. They're in fact Halloween props.

In some of the personal job listings, you're contracted to take bodies from planetside locations, bring them off-world and leave them floating in space. But these bodies come in the form of boxed up remains which you can hear sloshing around inside the box iirc.

Now.

Instead of boxes, how about presenting bodies more realistically? Rather than picking up boxes and carrying them like you would any other box, why not add some personality to these types of contracts by having the player have to heave up a heavy body with the body itself flopping over the player's shoulder and producing a small hit to the player's agility for the duration they carry the body?

The set of animations that this could use could even be used for carrying a live/unconscious player or NPC in the same manner in or out of combat instead of relying on the current, and rather slow method, of dragging a body by their collar. Yes, you can have your weapon out, but you can't turn around quickly to look what's around you.

That would be a nice option too; Either drag a body with the pro being you have a weapon out but the con is your spatial awareness takes a hit. Or carrying a body on your shoulder with the pros and cons being reversed.

I tried posting a similar Halloween prop for reference but it wouldn't let me for whatever reason. It was in white plastic instead of black. For variety.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Isn't this already Space Station 13

Atopian posted:

SS13 is a lot of fun, but everyone already knows what's going to happen.
In Hypothetical Future Functioning Star Citizen, you'd be working for someone who spent thousands of dollars in their earnest bid to Be The Big Captain. Greatly enhances the flavour of the suffering.

auzdark posted:

I can already imagine the Goon Janitors Union being blacklisted all over the one planet they have in the game... Much like Starfleet Dental, I think I could get on board with a little bit of 'not playing how I want you to play' the game to rile up some of these people.

DoomLazer posted:

You should be able to hide a corpse in your luggage - if you chop it up first. That way you can sneak the body out of the space hotel without getting a hit to your reputation.

edit: I'd also be ok with dissolving them in a bathtub if that's easier for the devs to implement.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

IIRC Starfleet Dental pissed off most of the big fancy guilds by being LESS of a dick than they were. The power of spite is certainly something.

Mirificus posted:

sebmojo posted:

Other guilds were selling their fancy star base stuff, starbase dental gave it away for free

Mirificus posted:

Not using the bit system. Kills information bottlenecks? posted:

A bit looks like this
True
/
\
False.

What if we used something like this: *

\|/
-x-
/|\

An octa system. Software wise.
Would it pay back on the information flow?
Or can we only use bitcode cause hardware only uses bits?

Would coding bits into octa's speed up things?

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Cause 3 bits can now mean 8 things instead of 6.

:grinning:

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Yes. And you just told me that 3 bits can be made into octa blocks.
So we tell code to use octa blocks (having 8 different values) instead of looking at every different bit seperately.

*I know Bytes are 8 bits. But Bytes are irrelevant here. Not talking about Bytes. Bytes are not a mathmatecal thing here. Octa's are.

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The thought of using different wave freq in glass viber to send different kind of bits had occured to me. I did not know we already did that.

I know a starformed physical bit does not exist.(at least not in civillian pc's) That's why I was wondering if we could fool software with math into sending more info in the same dataflow.

Trying to help here.... Sorry for caring.

Mirificus posted:

Trying to help here.... Sorry for caring.

Antigravitas posted:

Messer is German for knife.

It is not a "cool" word, and nobody would name themselves "Messers". Especially since another meaning of messer is "someone who measures things".

Though perhaps they actually measure things. Heads perhaps, with calipers. Commander Measurehead, of the Messers. It all makes sense now.

(Wat)