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massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

The Super-Id posted:

I'm really worried. This is just like in 2016 when all the drummed up stories about Chelsea Clinton's emails lost her mother the election.

Yeah that’s exactly not my point but sure.

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Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Grouchio posted:

(For posterity how do you handle that if you don't feel confident fighting?)

You say, “yeah bud she’s a looker good work lemme get us all some beers we can talk about how you two met”

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
The only way I can see this get any traction outside FOX News and the usual scum of the earth, is if Trump insists on talking about it tomorrow at the debate, and then nothing else.

Even then I think it’d backfire hard. The narrative of Trump being desperately behind in the polls is well and truly established now, and him screaming about Hunter (note: not Joe, Hunter) would likely be seen by the greater public as the flailing desperation of a mad man.

Not to mention the impending drop of the 60 minutes thing (whatever that was), the NYT story about his CHAYNA account, and the implications that the corona death toll is actually double that what is usually reported...yeh I dunno. Big doubt on this making a significant mark.

BigglesSWE fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Oct 21, 2020

logger
Jun 28, 2008

...and in what manner the Ancyent Marinere came back to his own Country.
Soiled Meat

Blind Rasputin posted:

I’m so confused. So when did the fbi have possession of it then, in this timeline you give? If someone’s able to write up the timeline that Rudy purports and the timeline that most likely really happened man that would be great. I already have in-laws who are trump supporters who are starting to bring this up in passing.

According to Rudy after he got a hold of the laptop he made a copy of it and sent it to the FBI, keep in mind that the reason the shop owner said he gave it to Rudy first instead of authorities was because after he looked through it he didn't see anything like child pornography in it. Now it is being claimed otherwise by Rudy, which if true would mean the shopkeeper was culpable in distributing child pornography(sucks to be a patsy for Rudy huh) and Rudy would also be on the hook for possession of it since he would have made a copy of it and held onto it after turning over the laptop to the FBI.

I don't believe for a second that the laptop story is legitimate, sure they might have a physical laptop that they filled with stuff they hacked from Hunter's actual emails and texts along with phony stuff, but the serial number they posted on it was supposedly registered to Hunter Biden over a week after he abandoned it at the computer shop according to Rudy's timeline.

The Super-Id
Nov 9, 2005

"You know it's what you really want."


Grimey Drawer

massive spider posted:

Yeah that’s exactly not my point but sure.

I wasn't really replying to you so much as making my own point, which is that it seems ridiculous to attack Hunter this way as a proxy for Biden. Maybe the Ukraine stuff could have had an effect if it gained traction, but this is in many ways just a non sequitur for the election and that only emphasizes how stupid it is.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

VH4Ever posted:

YMCA literally doesn't have the words Macho Man in it....

They do have a different song called Macho Man tho...and when I went to a Trump rally in 2016 he played that.

:doh: I know they've been playing "Macho Man" at his rallies (as recently as last week), I saw "YMCA" and read "Village People" somehow, and my hospital-addled brain put π and 2 together and got 4.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
The Young Macho Catholics Association

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




BigglesSWE posted:

The only way I can see this get any traction outside FOX News and the usual scum of the earth, is if Trump insists on talking about it tomorrow at the debate, and then nothing else.


If Biden was any bit competent he could easily turn this against Trump.

Something like "You're accusing me of nepotism and using my vice presidency to enrich my family while you have your actual children in your cabinet and as paid pundits. My son isn't on the ballot and has nothing to do with anything. I'm proud of my son. This is all bogus conspiracy theories. You let 200,000 people die and distractions from good policy are all you have. You're a pathetic narcissist and I'm ashamed of you as our president.".

There you go, it completely reframes everything and everytime Trump and co bring it up the less it works.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

The Super-Id posted:

I wasn't really replying to you so much as making my own point, which is that it seems ridiculous to attack Hunter this way as a proxy for Biden. Maybe the Ukraine stuff could have had an effect if it gained traction, but this is in many ways just a non sequitur for the election and that only emphasizes how stupid it is.

Apologies I thought you were responding to me saying I’m legit concerned about the hunter Biden stuff. But yeah my concerns aren’t about it’s electoral impact.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Biden getting his ducks in a row, in case Trump tries a coup?

https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1318662699656556548

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Phenotype posted:

I just heard Jussie Smollett said he was in the repair shop when Hunter Biden came in with the laptop.

Hahahaha that's hilarious dude remember that time someone attacked him and it was almost certainly cops and then the notoriously awful and racist chicago pd made it clear they were going to spend endless resources on discrediting him and then everyone believed them, even nominally leftist internet posters, because Jussie is black.

Hilarious.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Charlz Guybon posted:

Biden getting his ducks in a row, in case Trump tries a coup?

https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1318662699656556548

Probably just because Biden is a Republican, who courts Republican support. But it doesn't hurt, if it comes to that

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Failed Imagineer posted:

Probably just because Biden is a Republican, who courts Republican support. But it doesn't hurt, if it comes to that

He is not a Republican. You may believe his policy positions are identical to that of the Republicans (they are not) or that they are inadequate (they are) but he is not a Republican.

Have Some Flowers!
Aug 27, 2004
Hey, I've got Navigate...

New Yorp New Yorp posted:

I try hard to examine myself for bias
I hope everyone realizes that this is very very difficult to actually do. Believing we're above bias can make us more susceptible to it.

massive spider posted:

"will average people believe this?" the answer is clearly no
I think the worry is that oftentimes people will split the difference if confronted with conflicting claims and no real weight behind either one, yet. Some may already see him as an entitled druggy failson from previous stories and err on the side of assuming he's guilty, or at least... guilty of something.

How much does that filter over to Biden in the final days of an election? I have no idea. But when Clinton only lost the deciding states by margins like 0.23% and 0.7%, the worry is that something like this doesn't have to get a lot of traction to have some effect.

Hell, even just talking about it a lot starts to magically make it seem more plausible due to repetition and how our monkey brains are wired.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Blind Rasputin posted:

I’m so confused. So when did the fbi have possession of it then, in this timeline you give? If someone’s able to write up the timeline that Rudy purports and the timeline that most likely really happened man that would be great. I already have in-laws who are trump supporters who are starting to bring this up in passing.

No offense to your in-laws, but if they're already talking about it, chances they are likely true believers and/or getting their "news" from the usual brigade of right-wing crackpots, and no timeline we could provide would be a suitable enough explanation for them. The claims are--like the brains of Trump and Giuliani--so full of holes that they could be marketed and sold as Swiss cheese; so if people are bringing it up "in passing", it's because they're likely full-bore Trump supporters who want to discourage others from voting for Biden.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Ravenfood posted:

He is not a Republican. You may believe his policy positions are identical to that of the Republicans (they are not) or that they are inadequate (they are) but he is not a Republican.

O poo poo I've been mixing him up with the other guy this whole time!

Kind of obvious that my point is he's a Reagan Republican I thought? If not then my bad

Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Oct 21, 2020

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
I feel like mirroring works here. Would they trust the word of Hillary Clinton if she made the same claims about Don Jr?

I mean, it won't work but they'll at least change the subject without you having to go through the work of debunking it.

Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007

I find it hilarious that the same freaks who think 9/11 was an inside job suddenly also think Rudy, mayor of NYC during 9/11 is one of their “good guys”. How do they rationalize that while also maintaining their illusions of intellectual superiority?

Millions of years of evolution and still the dumbest, angriest, and most willing to kill of us are always winning. It’s tiring.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Eat My Fuc posted:

I find it hilarious that the same freaks who think 9/11 was an inside job suddenly also think Rudy, mayor of NYC during 9/11 is one of their “good guys”. How do they rationalize that while also maintaining their illusions of intellectual superiority?

Millions of years of evolution and still the dumbest, angriest, and most willing to kill of us are always winning. It’s tiring.
If you're defining whatever the gently caress Rudy is doing as "winning," perhaps you ought to stop using Donald Trump's definition sets

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


Charlz Guybon posted:

Biden getting his ducks in a row, in case Trump tries a coup?

Trump doesn't have the nuts for a coup. He'd rather give up and hold rallies for the rest of his life.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Failed Imagineer posted:

O poo poo I've been mixing him up with the other guy this whole time!

Kind of obvious that my point is he's a Reagan Republican I thought? If not then my bad

Even if that were true, which it isn't, he would be to the left of 2020 Republicans.

Stop posting so badly about Biden that I end having to defend that dipshit.

Eat My Fuc
May 29, 2007

Nessus posted:

If you're defining whatever the gently caress Rudy is doing as "winning," perhaps you ought to stop using Donald Trump's definition sets

I define it as avoiding prison while committing obvious treason. Getting away with it.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Failed Imagineer posted:

O poo poo I've been mixing him up with the other guy this whole time!

Kind of obvious that my point is he's a Reagan Republican I thought? If not then my bad

Since he was a democratic senator through out the whole Reagen administration, that's wrong too.

Martian
May 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1318717686281609219

How fun! And this poo poo is spreading worldwide: Qanon believers attacked several museums in Berlin, believing that satanic rituals are being performed there. (The Guardian)

quote:

One such theory claims that the Pergamon Museum is the centre of the “global satanism scene” because it holds a reconstruction of the ancient Greek Pergamon Altar.

Attila Hildmann, a former vegan celebrity chef who has become one of Germany’s best-known proponents of the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory, posted messages on Telegram in August and September in which he suggested that the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, was using the altar for “human sacrifices”.

These people are utterly insane. How the gently caress is this ever going to get fixed?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I'm the 5% of Joe Biden voters who think he's running a pedo ring

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Martian posted:

These people are utterly insane. How the gently caress is this ever going to get fixed?
I have to assume this poo poo is to some extent because of the Youtube algorithm, or whatever it is, because I'm gonna go ahead and assume that they probably aren't getting a ton of domestically produced Bulgarian Qanon content.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1318703873624666113?s=21

Him paying more taxes to China than America is just so :allears:

Kale
May 14, 2010

AOC and Omar are going to get into mainstream news for being Twitch Superstars and having fun and being relatable human beings and Trump is going to get super loving mad and jealous that they had like near record setting "ratings" and try to stream a game next week.

Probably not but I assume he'll make a bitch tweet about it somehow to express his butthurt

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Failed Imagineer posted:

O poo poo I've been mixing him up with the other guy this whole time!

Kind of obvious that my point is he's a Reagan Republican I thought? If not then my bad

I thought Mr. Biden was a Democrat during Reagan's administration. Odd.

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck

Ravenfood posted:

I thought Mr. Biden was a Democrat during Reagan's administration. Odd.

drat, reagan's a Biden Democrat? hosed up

Martian
May 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Nessus posted:

I have to assume this poo poo is to some extent because of the Youtube algorithm, or whatever it is, because I'm gonna go ahead and assume that they probably aren't getting a ton of domestically produced Bulgarian Qanon content.

Yes, the YouTube algorithm pipeline that leads people from relatively innocent videos, for example criticizing COVID-related measures, to full-on tinfoil hat Qanon conspiracy theory videos is certainly largely to blame, and is getting more and more attention from the media and European politics lately. Dutch show 'Zondag met Lubach' (Sunday with Lubach), basically our version of the Daily Show, did a whole segment on it this weekend (in Dutch, with English subtitles). It contains no news for terminally online people who have been paying attention to this stuff for a while, but it explained how the algorith sucks people into the Qanon insanity quite well to people who have no idea how it works.

E: also, there certainly is domestically produced Qanon-related conspiracy content in Europe. We have plenty of grifters and true believers over here as well. This conspiracy is global now. For example, there is a fairly famous Dutch rapper who is very much into Qanon and produces podcasts about it. Here is a Dutch news article about Qanon in the Netherlands, for whoever is interested.

Martian fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Oct 21, 2020

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
https://twitter.com/TylerHuckabee/status/1318748065499664386

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

wave race 64 loving owns

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:

wave race 64 loving owns

yeah that poo poo would be way too cool for Schumer. He'd be knocking on doors asking who wants to play Monopoly.

JoylessJester
Sep 13, 2012

Ravenfood posted:

I thought Mr. Biden was a Democrat during Reagan's administration. Odd.

Given that Biden was running to the right of Reagan on a number of issues like the war on drugs and crime generally this isn't the slam dunk you seem to think it is.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







I love how that gop candidate from Delaware says the Delaware PD have jurisdiction over the biden family.

Like the police are the Biden’s feudal lords or something.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



FizFashizzle posted:

I love how that gop candidate from Delaware says the Delaware PD have jurisdiction over the biden family.

Like the police are the Biden’s feudal lords or something.
Acting like the police are some kind of knight or samurai class with the power of life and death over mere merchants and peasants seems to mesh with the rhetoric around being A Cop for these people.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Kale posted:

AOC and Omar are going to get into mainstream news for being Twitch Superstars and having fun and being relatable human beings and Trump is going to get super loving mad and jealous that they had like near record setting "ratings" and try to stream a game next week.

Probably not but I assume he'll make a bitch tweet about it somehow to express his butthurt

donald trump has zero taste, he only parses things through having the biggest numbers and the shiniest things, and aoc casually pulling off a cool half million views with zero preparation has to make him mad

maybe he'll get barron to stream

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
This could be another 'good' debate

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1318854315864428544

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1318862342306881536

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Oct 21, 2020

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Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ravenfood posted:

I thought Mr. Biden was a Democrat during Reagan's administration. Odd.

Given that Biden has spent his entire political career and a good part of his current campaign cuddling up to Republicans, supporting Republican policies and priorities, praising Republicans, endorsing Republican candidates for Congress seats, saying America needs the Republican party, and prioritising Republicans for Cabinet positions, in substance is he any different from a Republican?

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