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Arist posted:You're acting like there's no relationship between those two events. There isn't It does
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Directors don't work for free in Hollywood. He's getting paid.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Directors don't work for free in Hollywood. He's getting paid. It comes down to if you believe him or not. That's what he said. I believe it because this isn't a normal situation. The project seems to have a personal significance to him, which isn't so strange, considering the circumstances.
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McCloud posted:It comes down to if you believe him or not. That's what he said. I believe it because this isn't a normal situation. The project seems to have a personal significance to him, which isn't so strange, considering the circumstances. Even if the payment is like, a donation to a suicide prevention thing in his name, there is money changing hands from WB to him or somewhere he has asked it to be directed, I guarantee you.
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Oct 26, 2020 05:25
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The director’s guild would never allow him to work for free.
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Oct 26, 2020 05:53
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Zack Snyder, defying every guild rule, nobly directing a major franchise product for an exclusive streaming platform, refusing any payment out of the goodness of his heart.
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Oct 26, 2020 05:57
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I'm really more worried for some of the actors' careers, if the Snyder cut turns out into a complete flop, given the degree to which some of them have associated themselves with marketing this thing. Also I hope Snyder actually *is* getting paid for this. The director's salary is a very small slice of the overall budget so it's not like refusing to get paid actually affects the production. What it does do, if the practice is normalised, is gently caress up the economics of the industry, especially for small time directors who don't have the established clout of Snyder. Working for huge megacorps for free isn't noble, it's bad. Fangz fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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Oct 26, 2020 10:22
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I think this is pretty niche all things considered. There's a very passionate base of people who would move heaven and earth to see it and then more people curious about it as a spectacle. But I wouldn't even try to explain this to the people in my life who I usually go "hey, here's the next super hero movie if you want to watch it." So even if this capsizes disastrously I can't see it falling on anyone besides Snyder (and whoever oked this) unless the actors really, really go down with the ship. Mostly I think the worst that will happen is it limps out to a release and becomes another point of INTENSE debate amongst a very, very small crowd. And WB never gives Snyder money again. I also do not believe Snyder is working for free nor do I think he should. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Oct 26, 2020 |
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Oct 26, 2020 10:34
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Aphrodite posted:The director’s guild would never allow him to work for free. Yeah, it's this. The Guilds (rightfully) get pissed when people don't follow their rules, and this is a high-profile enough project there's no way he's getting around that.
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Oct 26, 2020 13:22
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McCloud posted:Snyder himself has said he isn't getting a paycheck out of this. And the point is that even if you didn't happen to like his films there's plenty of others who do. Saying he mishandled the DC franchise because you're not fond of his version of Superman or whatever is nonsense, saying WB mishandled it by butchering the third installment of it and then immediately canceling all other superhero films that hadn't already started production is not. I feel this is a little short sighted, especially for a subjective medium. Saying Snyder objectively didn't mishandle things and WB did is tenuous. Both Batman v Superman and Justice League failed to meet Warner Bros. expectations, so from at least their perspective both were mishandled. But believe it or not there is plenty of people who like both, or just BvS, or just Justice League. To any individual observer they will inevitably consider the ones they don't like as mishandled, as you display here. But it's not objective. I personally think both were mishandled. Basically it's almost impossible to work out how well liked a film really is as there is no reliable metric for doing so. Box office isn't reliable as that is dictated by brand awareness, marketing and screen estate as much as genuine positive word of mouth, the same goes for DVD sales and streaming (how many Grandma's would have bought little Jimmy BvS or Justice League because it had Batman and Superman on the cover). Critics are obviously not a good representative for the average viewer, and even sites like letterboxed and imdb will have a user base infinitesimal in comparison to the amount of people who saw the film. Test of time is maybe the only way. If these films are watched and beloved in twenty years time and passed on through generations then maybe that will prove something. I don't think they will be though.
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Endless Mike posted:Yeah, it's this. The Guilds (rightfully) get pissed when people don't follow their rules, and this is a high-profile enough project there's no way he's getting around that. Maybe there's a loophole like even though they're clearly shooting a bunch of new poo poo if it's filed under reshoots maybe they don't have to pay him because they already paid him for the movie, I don't know probably not. Either way it wouldn't surprise me if he broke Guild rules to make a grand gesture/point, he seems like the exact kinda guy at the exact point in his career to do it.
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McCloud posted:Snyder himself has said he isn't getting a paycheck out of this. And the point is that even if you didn't happen to like his films there's plenty of others who do. Saying he mishandled the DC franchise because you're not fond of his version of Superman or whatever is nonsense, saying WB mishandled it by butchering the third installment of it and then immediately canceling all other superhero films that hadn't already started production is not. All you are saying is "I like them so stop saying people don't." I know you liked them, McCloud. A lot of people did not. Their reputation is not good. It was poor after Man of Steel and worse after BvS. To act like the DCEU was absolutely lighting the world on fire and breaking box office records until that rotten Justice League killed them is disingenuous. Like me not liking them is about a singular me, but you liking them is about the plenty of others who do. That knife cuts both ways. Idc about Snyder saying he wasn't paid.
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Oct 26, 2020 15:35
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Only information coming from Supreme Leader is true. Everything else is compromised, nothing else is to be trusted.
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Can't believe McCloud is making bad-faith arguments about Snyder.Sgt. Politeness posted:Maybe there's a loophole like even though they're clearly shooting a bunch of new poo poo if it's filed under reshoots maybe they don't have to pay him because they already paid him for the movie, I don't know probably not.
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Holy poo poo this owns https://twitter.com/deadline/status/1320772360753000451?s=21
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I assume it was this and was removed for a typo or something? https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1320775034919501825
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Oct 26, 2020 18:12
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Oh yeah the original tweet said Moon Night 
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Oct 26, 2020 18:15
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Suddenly I give a poo poo about Moon Knight
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Oct 26, 2020 18:18
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Gonna wait til I hear it from Disney after the Maslany thing.
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theironjef posted:Gonna wait til I hear it from Disney after the Maslany thing. Aw man, I didn't know that until your post. Just a rumour, dang.
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Lobok posted:Aw man, I didn't know that until your post. Just a rumour, dang. It's more likely that she isn't saying anything until Disney comes out and says it. The showrunner mentioned her on Twitter. Paul Rudd had to do the same thing way back when before he was officially announced. So far all the Marvel stuff has come from respected sources, but not Disney themselves. So until the Mouse says something, you're probably not gonna hear the actors confirm it. But anyway, if that is true, that's fantastic casting.
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Oct 26, 2020 19:25
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Well he's already got the Mr. Knight costume down.
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Re-watching Marvel films in time-they-took-place order on public library blu-rays because what else is there to do in 2020? Some minor issues during the film due to library quality but One-Shots and deleted scenes work fine. Holy poo poo there is a ton of deleted scenes on Incredible Hulk. Many of the scenes are actually in the movie but much shorter. And man the other scenes set up a lot of subplots that would have likely been explored in sequels if Norton stuck around/wasn't crazy or the film was a bigger success than it was. Also Ross/the military come away looking a lot worse in the deleted scenes and I wonder how much the military objected to those scenes because I know they worked pretty closely with Marvel on Iron Man 1 and maybe had some influence on Hulk too.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Re-watching Marvel films in time-they-took-place order on public library blu-rays because what else is there to do in 2020? Some minor issues during the film due to library quality but One-Shots and deleted scenes work fine. Christ... So before Incredible Hulk came out on Blu Ray the director was hyping it up that it had this deleted scene where Banner tries to kill himself and how it has Captain America. This was before we knew anything about the Cap film. So I watched that scene so many times. And basically if you went through it frame by frame there is a single frame where after Banner turns into the Hulk and smashes the ice you can see a kind of shadow in the ice that maybe looks like the classic illustration of Captain America frozen in the ice. I felt so ripped off when I watched that thinking I would get something more substantial than what it ended up being.
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Arist posted:Also possibilities apparently: Daveed Diggs and... Nick Kroll??? Hire all three. All three can be Moon Knight.
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The Question IRL posted:Christ... Yeah I watched that alternate opening and tried seeing it. And it is a blink-and-you-miss-it shot. Hell, probably something made up like when the Russo brothers implied Punisher appeared in Winter Soldier because he drove a truck that ran into some of the terrorists attacking Fury.
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There were a bunch of videos dissecting that scene when it came out. It's more like a "punch yourself in the face and squint real hard and you might see it" sort of thing.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Yeah I watched that alternate opening and tried seeing it. And it is a blink-and-you-miss-it shot. Hell, probably something made up like when the Russo brothers implied Punisher appeared in Winter Soldier because he drove a truck that ran into some of the terrorists attacking Fury. The Punisher did appear in Spider-Man 2 though
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Davros1 posted:The Punisher did appear in Spider-Man 2 though Jesus that screen cap looks like a last known photo on the news
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Is the Cap shot the version where he tries to shoot himself but Hulk spits the bullet back out? Ruffalo Banner mentions that in... Avengers I think? And I know it's referring to a scene from the movie, but I don't know if it was ever shot.
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Davros1 posted:The Punisher did appear in Spider-Man 2 though
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Aphrodite posted:Is the Cap shot the version where he tries to shoot himself but Hulk spits the bullet back out? It's a similar scene to what he describes but the method is different. I believe he tries to throw himself off a cliff in the Arctic but hulks out before hitting the ground, setting up he helicopter thing later in the movie.
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God I remember that. They made it sound like he was about to shoot himself but Cap walks up and is like “don’t do it, you have so much to live for.”
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Aphrodite posted:Is the Cap shot the version where he tries to shoot himself but Hulk spits the bullet back out? In what I watched, Banner pulls out the gun but doesn't even get to the point of aiming it at himself. He has it cupped in his hands as he Hulks out.
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Davros1 posted:The Punisher did appear in Spider-Man 2 though is that supposed to be thomas jane
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site posted:is that supposed to be thomas jane It's his stunt double from the Punisher movie.
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The man was just trying to lay down some flowers for his family and this lady just had to negligently run right over them. drat sad.
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Davros1 posted:The Punisher did appear in Spider-Man 2 though bunnyofdoom posted:Jesus that screen cap looks like a last known photo on the news Megan is Missing 2
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