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Gripweed posted:I don't think this is true. I think the general narrative will be that Republicans are bad for seating Barrett so close to the election, not that Democrats are bad for not packing the court When 10s of millions of people lose their health care, and there no more protections for pre-existing conditions (and we have almost 8 million Americans who developed a pre-existing condition this year), and a bunch of kids under 26 get dropped from their parent’s plans, people will want the Democrats to do whatever it takes to fix that. You can’t go back to the drawing board and write a new healthcare law when there is a 6-3 court waiting to strike it down the second you pass it. You pack the courts or you admit you aren’t going to do anything on healthcare - which not even Diane Feinstein would opt for on the back of a pandemic.
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Craptacular! posted:People keep coming up with this number. It seems they should add two seats, one for Garland’s stolen seat and one for this injustice. That doesn't make any sense. We need to do something completely meaningless because doing something that would actually have a positive effect could... cause the Republicans to ignore political norms in order to advance their political goals? ok seriously why is this ten minute timer still on, it is so dumb.
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My view, from Canada, is that y'all are hosed. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Craptacular! posted:People keep coming up with this number. It seems they should add two seats, one for Garland’s stolen seat and one for this injustice. If the Democrats don't shoot to kill here they're dead and the country is hosed. Assuming Biden wins and the Senate flips they better put on a masterclass in shoving poo poo through and daring Scotus to get in the way. This is the last window of opportunity. You'd be crazy to think otherwise. Kill the decorum lover in your brain, this is about power not affectation of statesmanship. You want this country to survive you better hope they go for the throat. Gripweed posted:That doesn't make any sense. We need to do something completely meaningless because doing something that would actually have a positive effect could... cause the Republicans to ignore political norms in order to advance their political goals? This has been the Democratic ethos for the last 3 decades and change, you can't be too mad at people for still running at that particular football. Deteriorata posted:They did use every arrow in their quiver. They just didn't have any. There was literally nothing the Democrats could do to stop ACB. Not really but trained helplessness is hard to shake. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Remember for the like 3 days after RBG died you had things like this? They did use every arrow in their quiver. They just didn't have any. There was literally nothing the Democrats could do to stop ACB.
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TyrantWD posted:On the other hand, if its a clean sweep - you better believe that court is going up to 13 judges before the midterms. lol they won't do poo poo and everyone baying that they "must" will instantly fall in line and defend them
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TyrantWD posted:You can’t go back to the drawing board and write a new healthcare law when there is a 6-3 court waiting to strike it down the second you pass it. Not for nothing, but yes you can. I will bet any amount of money that "the public option" will be structured exactly like the Medicaid expansion - give a big pot of no-strings-attached money to the states with the strong suggestion to administer a health plan through the state. Nothing to strike down there.
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jet sanchEz posted:My view, from Canada, is that y'all are hosed. Please invade us again.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Remember for the like 3 days after RBG died you had things like this? The problem was that they didn’t have anything in their quiver. It was a foregone conclusion the moment Ginsberg died.
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Craptacular! posted:People keep coming up with this number. It seems they should add two seats, one for Garland’s stolen seat and one for this injustice. "not shooting to kill here"? lmao. what line must be crossed before you're fine with Democrats wielding power the same way Republicans do?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Remember for the like 3 days after RBG died you had things like this? What could the House have done?
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Craptacular! posted:People keep coming up with this number. It seems they should add two seats, one for Garland’s stolen seat and one for this injustice. Most of the riverbeds in the country will be dried up by 2075 and the GOP wants it to happen faster. This is dumb as gently caress.
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Deteriorata posted:They did use every arrow in their quiver. They just didn't have any. There was literally nothing the Democrats could do to stop ACB. Maybe not stop, but they could've delayed it. They could've forced floor votes on little piddly procedural things, the House could've impeached Barr and sent it to the Senate where it would've taken precedence over all other issues. If they really cared, there were things they could've done that might've been able to push the confirmation after the election.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Remember for the like 3 days after RBG died you had things like this? Decided not to bother doing what? Are you imagining that the GOP was going to defect even if this was monumentally unpopular or something? That they would bow to decorum? Short of literally murdering senators there was no actual way of stopping this. Gripweed posted:Maybe not stop, but they could've delayed it. They could've forced floor votes on little piddly procedural things, the House could've impeached Barr and sent it to the Senate where it would've taken precedence over all other issues. McConnell would have just ignored all of this. He's ignoring a stimulus deal that could theoretically save his majority. They are all-in on this. Xombie fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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Hollismason posted:I don'tsee honestly how the supreme court could strike down a public option. The trick is that they can do whatever they want and make up reasons for it after.
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Scherloch posted:Is the idea that the US isn't a democracy (or at least posing as one) widespread? Because according to the dozens of replies I got on twitter, "the US is a republic, not a democracy!"  poo poo that conservatives love to trot out, like a republic isn't a type of democracy.
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haveblue posted:13 is popular because it matches the number of circuits, which is something SCOTUS is supposed to have a working relationship with. quote:Also, court packing is only possible when you hold all 3 branches, so it’s not going to yo-yo back and forth. Especially if through court packing the dems can get election reform to stick. Mat Cauthon posted:Kill the decorum lover in your brain, this is about power not affectation of statesmanship. You want this country to survive you better hope they go for the throat.
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Scherloch posted:Is the idea that the US isn't a democracy (or at least posing as one) widespread? Because according to the dozens of replies I got on twitter, "the US is a republic, not a democracy!" This is either 1: A dumb politics 101 take, because everyone who says the US is a democracy understands that we're a democratic republic because we elect our representatives, or 2: A threat by a increasingly agitated minority who wants to rule through anti-democratic means, a tactic used by at least one side of our country since its inception.
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Hollismason posted:I don'tsee honestly how the supreme court could strike down a public option. They don't have to strike down the whole thing. Their tactic is to rule that citizens cannot be forced to pay for it, thus dooming it forever.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Remember for the like 3 days after RBG died you had things like this? Remember the part where Republicans own all branches of power. Well it turns out that’s still really bad.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Not for nothing, but yes you can. I will bet any amount of money that "the public option" will be structured exactly like the Medicaid expansion - give a big pot of no-strings-attached money to the states with the strong suggestion to administer a health plan through the state. There won’t be an ACA to work from, and a 6-3 court is going to strike down the most innocuous poo poo, let alone allow a public option to stand. Even decorum shits like Coons is open to packing the court, and you really think Democrats would spend their only 2 years in power shrugging their shoulders and doing nothing? This is not 2008, or 2010, or 2012. Half of the GOP think the Democrats are torturing children and drinking their blood.
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Xombie posted:Decided not to bother doing what? Are you imagining that the GOP was going to defect even if this was monumentally unpopular or something? That they would bow to decorum? Short of literally murdering senators there was no actual way of stopping this. Well you see it's Nancy Pelosi's fault for not thinking to orchestrate a military coup-d'etat to prevent all this.
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Scherloch posted:Is the idea that the US isn't a democracy (or at least posing as one) widespread? Because according to the dozens of replies I got on twitter, "the US is a republic, not a democracy!" It’s just a thought-terminating cliche that people internalize from school without understanding—the equivalent of shouting “the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell!” I mean, I know why so many people were made to internalize that specific phrase, but if someone uses it, there’s a fair chance they have no idea what it means.
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Taking this opportunity to donate $25 to Jaime Harrison for the fourth time.
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Clarste posted:The implication of the comic is that the grown-up was actually Sanders but this fool voted for Biden in the primary. The actual meaning of the comic is not strictly about the politics discussed. It's more about politics as escapism in general. It's definitely worth a read. http://www.noncanon.com/comic/grown-up-faith JfishPirate fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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Xombie posted:Decided not to bother doing what? Are you imagining that the GOP was going to defect even if this was monumentally unpopular or something? That they would bow to decorum? Short of literally murdering senators there was no actual way of stopping this. Angry_Ed posted:Well you see it's Nancy Pelosi's fault for not thinking to orchestrate a military coup-d'etat to prevent all this. Maybe not stop, but they could've delayed it. They could've forced floor votes on little piddly procedural things, the House could've impeached Barr and sent it to the Senate where it would've taken precedence over all other issues. If they really cared, there were things they could've done that might've been able to push the confirmation after the election.
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Scherloch posted:Is the idea that the US isn't a democracy (or at least posing as one) widespread? Because according to the dozens of replies I got on twitter, "the US is a republic, not a democracy!" On The Media did a bit about “republic not a democracy” a few weeks ago. It unsurprisingly was invented by people who didn’t mind sitting as Hitler takes over Europe and then popularized by Southerners opposed to civil rights.
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Craptacular! posted:It’s not about decorum as much as it is not wanting chaos to be the norm. That’s what happens if both parties decide that power should be had by any means necessary. Except that it only takes one party. Chaos is the norm now. It has been for years now. This is a serious problem we have to face but it's also the truth. The Republicans have shown, clearly, that they feel no need to play by any rules at all and it has been proven to work perfectly. You can't go back to normal after the past 4 years. It isn't even that the Republicans have necessarily been Worse Than Usual (more blatant but not worse) but that they've realized that they hold near unlimited power as long as they can hold the Senate. Gripweed posted:Maybe not stop, but they could've delayed it. They could've forced floor votes on little piddly procedural things, the House could've impeached Barr and sent it to the Senate where it would've taken precedence over all other issues. The Senate already rushed her vote. There is no reason to assume they wouldn't have done the same if Barr was impeached. What are they going to do, get in trouble for breaking the rules? ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Remember for the like 3 days after RBG died you had things like this? It's been pretty clear from the beginning of this, that at most, the democrats could only do procedural delays to slow the confirmation but not stop it entirely unless four republican senators suddenly dropped dead or actually believed in the whole "can't confirm a justice in an election year!" bullshit. But I mean if there are other things the Dems could have realistically done, we'd all be glad to hear about it from you.
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Gripweed posted:Maybe not stop, but they could've delayed it. They could've forced floor votes on little piddly procedural things, the House could've impeached Barr and sent it to the Senate where it would've taken precedence over all other issues. the only thing you have actually suggested here is a pointless impeachment that would be immediately voted down if you feel so strongly that there are so many things that could have been done such that not doing them means democrats must just not care, try writing them down first and then spend all of thirty seconds asking what Mitch could do to block them, then stare forlornly at your page of nothing
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