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Game 1 was the only one in 2019 where they got blown out, and in general their offense was a way bigger issue against Houston than the defense in 18 and 19
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MourningView posted:Yeah Harden wasn't all that good in 2019 once the rest of the team figured out the scheme, Utah just shot like 10% on wide open catch and shoot threes. Meanwhile Gobert and Favors both shot .665ts%, gingerly placing the ball into the hoop as pj tucker headbutted them in the thighs
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Oct 27, 2020 23:27
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dokmo posted:I was talking with a scout who was convinced that drop bigs like gobert and lopez were going to become increasingly useless in the playoffs and the future was mobile bigs who could switch. this is thing people have been saying since like 2010 did you really need a scout to tell you it
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Oct 27, 2020 23:28
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dokmo posted:I was talking with a scout who was convinced that drop bigs like gobert and lopez were going to become increasingly useless in the playoffs and the future was mobile bigs who could switch. Judging by the way teams draft, scouts strike me as being very like doctors and most kinds of academics, in that they know a lot about their subject but are extremely prone to chasing trends anyway
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Oct 27, 2020 23:28
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dokmo posted:I was talking with a scout who was convinced that drop bigs like gobert and lopez were going to become increasingly useless in the playoffs and the future was mobile bigs who could switch. All my Gobert takes are just a warm up for my take that the Sixers should build around Simmons and trade Embiid
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Oct 27, 2020 23:30
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DeimosRising posted:Judging by the way teams draft, scouts strike me as being very like doctors and most kinds of academics, in that they know a lot about their subject but are extremely prone to chasing trends anyway I think of it more like Scouts are playing a metagame. They're seeing what players are coming into the league and the skills they possess and trying to build on those strengths or counter them.
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Oct 27, 2020 23:34
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MourningView posted:this is thing people have been saying since like 2010 did you really need a scout to tell you it I forgot to mention this was a jazz scout. Edit not a current one
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Oct 27, 2020 23:35
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The rockets don't beat the Cavs if they made the finals that year and Rudy stinks
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dokmo posted:I forgot to mention this was a jazz scout. So Rudy's gone.
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Oct 27, 2020 23:35
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dokmo posted:I forgot to mention this was a jazz scout. Ahh yes, that does change things somewhat I honestly think he would be a good fit for the Rockets if they want to play 1 (one) big, but I have no clue how to match that contract
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Oct 27, 2020 23:37
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given how they've built their rosters he must not have been one whose opinion they trusted very much
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Oct 27, 2020 23:38
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I kind of wonder what would happen if Gobert did what Dwight did last year and dropped a lot of weight. Gobert has a lot more athleticism in the tank than Dwight does right now.
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Oct 27, 2020 23:44
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Rick posted:I kind of wonder what would happen if Gobert did what Dwight did last year and dropped a lot of weight. Gobert has a lot more athleticism in the tank than Dwight does right now. Gobert is not exactly heavy for his height/length, I don't know how much skinnier he could get without being too weak to hold up. He already moves his feet about as well as someone with that frame can I think. Dwight is like 6'9" so it's a little different.
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We don't really think of Gobert as an athletic freak but he kinda is. He moves his feet incredibly quickly and fluidly for a 7'2" guy. The best footwork of any bigman I can think of other than Hakeem (who was 6'11"). The worry with paying him a huge four year $120m deal is if he loses half a step when he turns 30/31/32. Gobert with merely good lateral movement instead of crazy elite is not anywhere near as valuable (not exactly rocket science pointing that out).
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Yeah I'm not all that confident in him aging well. Ideally I think they should move on its just a hard thing to make work. Dokmo I think I was mean, I'm sorry. I love you and it's very cool to have a real NBA person posting here, I just thought that was just a funny thing to preface with "a scout told me" given that it seems to border on being conventional wisdom now
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chickenmedium!!!! You gently caress!!!
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Thinking of Gobert as "immobile" is a bad read. Gobert's the league's best or second best screener, currently, and shoots a sky high percentage. It's very limited range, but it's insane to think of Gobert as anything other than an asset on offense. And he can't switch, but according to NBA.com's hustle stats, he's contesting like, 3 three point shots a game, which is currently more than Damian Lillard, a superstar guard who plays more minutes. Gobert is not a stiff. Declan MacManus posted:regrettably, the answer is black mambutt The hell is wrong with you? "Back Mamba" is right there.
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tanglewood1420 posted:We don't really think of Gobert as an athletic freak but he kinda is. He moves his feet incredibly quickly and fluidly for a 7'2" guy. The best footwork of any bigman I can think of other than Hakeem (who was 6'11"). Hakeem definitely wasn't really 6'11" either.
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He’s trying to catch a snowflake in his mouth
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Here is the thing, it is that Modern Basketball and small-ball is in my opinion Bull poo poo and basketball should revert to its purest form where one team happens to have found a semi-coordinated gigantic freak of nature who just destroys everyone by being huge. A few years ago, I watched the FIBA Small Nations finals and Malta annihilated Norway in the final because Norway did not have anyone over 6'8" and Malta had this gigantic 7'5" mutant who they could not stop because he was doing things like putting the ball out of reach by lifting it over his head and shooting over their useless, ineffectual arms. It ruled, and you see that pretty much every other level of basketball where you have freaks lighting up teams by being too big and now in the NBA every single team is either a little guard or a small forward playing center and they all switch and the teams all Do Assets and it is lame as hell. In a real basketball league, every year Boban would be the MVP because it would be illegal to make him guard perimeter shooters and he can just anchor himself to the paint like a mythological creature somehow chained to a mountain and swat pathetic layup attempts and also goaltending would be legal so they couldn't shoot threes. Look, I'm not a monster. You can have Steph Curry and Dame, and even the vile and disgusting James Harden. The NBA needs to sell sneakers to small children. But in a real basketball league, any team attempting to put a 6'5" guy at center because he's "switchable" so he can do Sloane Conferencing for 35 minutes a night would get smashed as an unfathomably enormous guy who has to wear prescription shoes has stuck out his arm and the smaller player is helpless to lunge at the ball. I am available for speaking engagements, conferences, and to fill any vacant GM roles in the National Basketball Association. Here's a vision of what I call Pure Basket https://twitter.com/DesusandMeroVL/status/1009273382284726272
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R.D. Mangles posted:Here is the thing, it is that Modern Basketball and small-ball is in my opinion Bull poo poo and basketball should revert to its purest form where one team happens to have found a semi-coordinated gigantic freak of nature who just destroys everyone by being huge. A few years ago, I watched the FIBA Small Nations finals and Malta annihilated Norway in the final because Norway did not have anyone over 6'8" and Malta had this gigantic 7'5" mutant who they could not stop because he was doing things like putting the ball out of reach by lifting it over his head and shooting over their useless, ineffectual arms. It ruled, and you see that pretty much every other level of basketball where you have freaks lighting up teams by being too big and now in the NBA every single team is either a little guard or a small forward playing center and they all switch and the teams all Do Assets and it is lame as hell. In a real basketball league, every year Boban would be the MVP because it would be illegal to make him guard perimeter shooters and he can just anchor himself to the paint like a mythological creature somehow chained to a mountain and swat pathetic layup attempts and also goaltending would be legal so they couldn't shoot threes. Look, I'm not a monster. You can have Steph Curry and Dame, and even the vile and disgusting James Harden. The NBA needs to sell sneakers to small children. But in a real basketball league, any team attempting to put a 6'5" guy at center because he's "switchable" so he can do Sloane Conferencing for 35 minutes a night would get smashed as an unfathomably enormous guy who has to wear prescription shoes has stuck out his arm and the smaller player is helpless to lunge at the ball. I am available for speaking engagements, conferences, and to fill any vacant GM roles in the National Basketball Association. Please close the thread until next season begins, this is the perfect post
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If they add the rule where the ball is live once it hits the rim, that could be a happy medium.
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This is the Bulls fault! For years the greatest basketball insight anyone could come up with was You Can't Teach Height but then they won a bunch of titles behind a sociopath who was only normal person tall instead of Has a Pituitary Disorder Tall and suddenly every tall kid wanted to dribble and shoot jump shots and now all the sweet slow tall boys are being banished to the adriatic league
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Is okay mangles we've killed Morey its over Its over
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Here's a thought, what if you took nba players and forced them to have like a 2.5 foot rim. Like really low. Then all the 7 footers would have longer shots. Think about a whole league of mugsies. It would be great because you'd watch them play and be like "they're not that short" but then you'd see them stand next to a 5'11" coach and be like "man this league has some freaks"
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Bip Roberts posted:Here's a thought, what if you took nba players and forced them to have like a 2.5 foot rim. Like really low. Then all the 7 footers would have longer shots. Think about a whole league of mugsies. It would be great because you'd watch them play and be like "they're not that short" but then you'd see them stand next to a 5'11" coach and be like "man this league has some freaks" okay i'm listening but what are the goaltending rules, if someone throws the ball into the hoop does everyone have to jump out of the way to avoid goaltending? or can you just stand in front of the hoop and block every shot with your kneecaps?
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kingcobweb posted:okay i'm listening but what are the goaltending rules, if someone throws the ball into the hoop does everyone have to jump out of the way to avoid goaltending? or can you just stand in front of the hoop and block every shot with your kneecaps? If you can pull the ball back through the hoop before it hits the floor it doesn't count. The Rockets pioneer the "lie on the floor next to the basket" defense
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Got me imagining Boban and Jakob Poeltl slamming bods in a 70-68 NBA finals game.
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BWV posted:Got me imagining Boban and Jakob Poeltl slamming bods in a 70-68 NBA finals game. I wont and you cant make me
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kingcobweb posted:okay i'm listening but what are the goaltending rules, if someone throws the ball into the hoop does everyone have to jump out of the way to avoid goaltending? or can you just stand in front of the hoop and block every shot with your kneecaps? Don't make it a 2.5 foot hoop, make it a recessed hole in the floor. You can intercept anything with you arms, but you can't put your feet within so many inches of the hole. Defenders will slowly become shorter and shorter, but with longer and longer arms.
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The Glumslinger posted:I wont and you cant make me lmao
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The perfect player will be 300 lbs with no volume
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euphronius posted:The perfect player will be 300 lbs with no volume Talk about gravity
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euphronius posted:The perfect player will be 300 lbs with no volume And his name is Boson Bosonovic.
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mangles this world you want already exists and it is Luka Garza's Big Ten
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R.D. Mangles posted:Here is the thing, it is that Modern Basketball and small-ball is in my opinion Bull poo poo and basketball should revert to its purest form where one team happens to have found a semi-coordinated gigantic freak of nature who just destroys everyone by being huge. A few years ago, I watched the FIBA Small Nations finals and Malta annihilated Norway in the final because Norway did not have anyone over 6'8" and Malta had this gigantic 7'5" mutant who they could not stop because he was doing things like putting the ball out of reach by lifting it over his head and shooting over their useless, ineffectual arms. It ruled, and you see that pretty much every other level of basketball where you have freaks lighting up teams by being too big and now in the NBA every single team is either a little guard or a small forward playing center and they all switch and the teams all Do Assets and it is lame as hell. In a real basketball league, every year Boban would be the MVP because it would be illegal to make him guard perimeter shooters and he can just anchor himself to the paint like a mythological creature somehow chained to a mountain and swat pathetic layup attempts and also goaltending would be legal so they couldn't shoot threes. Look, I'm not a monster. You can have Steph Curry and Dame, and even the vile and disgusting James Harden. The NBA needs to sell sneakers to small children. But in a real basketball league, any team attempting to put a 6'5" guy at center because he's "switchable" so he can do Sloane Conferencing for 35 minutes a night would get smashed as an unfathomably enormous guy who has to wear prescription shoes has stuck out his arm and the smaller player is helpless to lunge at the ball. I am available for speaking engagements, conferences, and to fill any vacant GM roles in the National Basketball Association. agreed, this is the ideal form of Hoop 
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creamcorn posted:agreed, this is the ideal form of Hoop I can’t stop watching it
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Bip Roberts posted:Here's a thought, what if you took nba players and forced them to have like a 2.5 foot rim. Like really low. Then all the 7 footers would have longer shots. Think about a whole league of mugsies. It would be great because you'd watch them play and be like "they're not that short" but then you'd see them stand next to a 5'11" coach and be like "man this league has some freaks" Look at buddy when buddy get up... he actually get up quite far
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R.D. Mangles posted:Here is the thing, it is that Modern Basketball and small-ball is in my opinion Bull poo poo and basketball should revert to its purest form where one team happens to have found a semi-coordinated gigantic freak of nature who just destroys everyone by being huge. A few years ago, I watched the FIBA Small Nations finals and Malta annihilated Norway in the final because Norway did not have anyone over 6'8" and Malta had this gigantic 7'5" mutant who they could not stop because he was doing things like putting the ball out of reach by lifting it over his head and shooting over their useless, ineffectual arms. It ruled, and you see that pretty much every other level of basketball where you have freaks lighting up teams by being too big and now in the NBA every single team is either a little guard or a small forward playing center and they all switch and the teams all Do Assets and it is lame as hell. In a real basketball league, every year Boban would be the MVP because it would be illegal to make him guard perimeter shooters and he can just anchor himself to the paint like a mythological creature somehow chained to a mountain and swat pathetic layup attempts and also goaltending would be legal so they couldn't shoot threes. Look, I'm not a monster. You can have Steph Curry and Dame, and even the vile and disgusting James Harden. The NBA needs to sell sneakers to small children. But in a real basketball league, any team attempting to put a 6'5" guy at center because he's "switchable" so he can do Sloane Conferencing for 35 minutes a night would get smashed as an unfathomably enormous guy who has to wear prescription shoes has stuck out his arm and the smaller player is helpless to lunge at the ball. I am available for speaking engagements, conferences, and to fill any vacant GM roles in the National Basketball Association. This is in the OP now.
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