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CDPR execs: It’s a demand issue, not a supply one
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Oct 27, 2020 23:53
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shrike82 posted:lol if they pushed back due to failing cert - you can pretty much guarantee it's going to be buggy as hell when it launches I wanna see DigitalFoundry or someone test a physical copy without letting it download the day 1 patch to see what kind of shambolic state it was in when they went gold Bonus points for testing it on a base Xbox One
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Oct 27, 2020 23:53
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All the people speculating that Samsung 8nm is garbage and not making enough dies are probably just full of poo poo. This is not how foundries work, yeah yields can improve over time but basically what happens is like >1 year ago Nvidia placed an order for X amount of wafer starts and that is the current supply bottleneck. It takes about that long to get production going, there are no shortcuts, they can't just suddenly double or triple production, everything takes multiple months to get rolling. This is the primary reason why cut down dies exist in the first place, because the time it takes to start production is so long and expensive it is way cheaper and faster to just make one big die that you then cut down/harvest into the smaller ones. Nobody builds a foundry with the goal of satisfying peak demand, they build it to satisfy aggregate demand. Trying to hit peak demand would be a foundry that would be 10% utilized 90% of the time which would be a total economic disaster for whoever owned it. If you keep that in mind, then from the way the drops are happening in the channel and the way they are talking about the product stack, it really looks like everything is working normally. Yields are probably fine, the G6X supply is probably fine, there is no "shortage" of anything that is limiting production. It is literally just 6 months worth of people wanting to buy a 1 month supply of cards. Like how many times do they have to say "it is a demand problem" before all these conspiracy theory idiots actually listen?
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Oct 28, 2020 00:04
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and for the people minimizing crunch https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321140689309175808?s=20
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Oct 28, 2020 00:04
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Do people get overtime pay when they crunch with that much overtime? I'm not sure if game devs are paid hourly or annually like managers or system admins around here.
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Oct 28, 2020 00:17
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buglord posted:Talking out my butt warning, grain of salt, i am an idiot etc: No, you're pretty much right. Yields tend to get better the further into production you get, but you absolutely can't call up a fab and ask for more chips in the next quarter. If you want to be seriously conspiratorial about it, Saukkis's idea isn't impossible: if yields are actually pretty solid, and they're producing enough chips that exceed 3080 specs but don't quite make it as a 3090, they could release those as a 3080 Ti for $1000 or whatever and up their profit per card by a couple hundred bucks, at the expense of further constraining the 3080 supply. They could probably not worry about the lovely cost:perf ratio because right now everything's selling instantly regardless. I do wonder if "poo poo, we could have asked for more" is part of why we haven't seen any 3080 FE drops in a bit--if they're allocating most of their chips to AIBs right now because they actually make more money that way vs selling as the FEs, which between the low price and the HSF is probably a very thin margin item for them.
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Oct 28, 2020 00:19
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Indiana_Krom posted:Like how many times do they have to say "it is a demand problem" before all these conspiracy theory idiots actually listen? People not having anything to do and perpetually swimming in bad news has ramped peoples emotional investment in gaming toys to absolutely insane levels. The fervor for gaming products news, and rumors about every little thing, is astounding. It's not just PC stuff, the PS5 sold more in 12 hours of presales than the PS4 sold in 12 weeks, for a console that basically does not have any launch titles. There is the constant AMD/Nvidia/intel conspiracy theories and rumor mongering (and return of disphit fanboyism for billion dollar multinationals), the cyberpunk fervor, the skyrocketing costs for vintage stuff on ebay, etc. People are bored and desperate for escape and hope.
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Oct 28, 2020 00:22
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very rude of these sites to do benchmarks and not include my gtx 970
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Oct 28, 2020 00:26
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AirRaid posted:even released Cyberpunk branded 2080Tis... this is seriously lol in hindsight, by the time of launch they are going to be what... sixth fastest card available? should have held off six months and called them "cyberpunk 3077"s instead
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Oct 28, 2020 00:28
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Cygni posted:People not having anything to do and perpetually swimming in bad news has ramped peoples emotional investment in gaming toys to absolutely insane levels. The fervor for gaming products news, and rumors about every little thing, is astounding. It's not just PC stuff, the PS5 sold more in 12 hours of presales than the PS4 sold in 12 weeks, for a console that basically does not have any launch titles. There is the constant AMD/Nvidia/intel conspiracy theories and rumor mongering (and return of disphit fanboyism for billion dollar multinationals), the cyberpunk fervor, the skyrocketing costs for vintage stuff on ebay, etc. People are bored and desperate for escape and hope. Whoa whoa Whoa now. Demon souls PS5 counts as several launch titles.
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Oct 28, 2020 00:28
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Verviticus posted:very rude of these sites to do benchmarks and not include my gtx 970 The 1060 3GB is pretty close to the 970 and still tends to get included in comparisons, just use that as a proxy https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/35.html ~4x speedup 
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Oct 28, 2020 00:30
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repiv posted:The 1060 3GB is pretty close to the 970 and still tends to get included in comparisons, just use that as a proxy lmao that owns thank you
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Oct 28, 2020 00:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Wq2FPz-rs a straight up comparison of RTX on/off for Watch Dogs: Legion showing how lovely the game looks even with all the bells and whistles on
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Oct 28, 2020 00:37
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I'm not a fan of the character models in Watchdogs, but I think it looks good overall. Looking forward to playing it Thursday.
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Oct 28, 2020 00:41
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finally, a button to make everything look slow and choppy
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Oct 28, 2020 00:41
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Someday I will get a 3080, shortly before the world is awash in the cleansing fire of nuclear war
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Oct 28, 2020 00:57
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Rusty posted:I'm not a fan of the character models in Watchdogs, but I think it looks good overall. Looking forward to playing it Thursday. The models look like a total disaster. Literally like stop motion animated or something.
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Oct 28, 2020 01:02
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MikeC posted:The models look like a total disaster. Literally like stop motion animated or something.
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Oct 28, 2020 01:05
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looking forward to playing cyberpunk 2077 on my RTX 7080 after beating star citizen
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Oct 28, 2020 01:19
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shrike82 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Wq2FPz-rs Horizon Zero Dawn might have started as a lovely port PC and turned into an OK port after patches, but holy poo poo it looks a trillion times better on a basic "makes humans happy to look at it" level. Having a good visual style counts for a ton. e: Also some of that animation is just incredibad, yeah. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Oct 28, 2020 01:23
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Rusty posted:Yeah, I am not quite sure what is going on there, but it is kind of jarring against the rest of the game. They seem very stiff. Like they're all walking around with their grandmother just out of scene yelling at them to stand up straight or something. Real people don't move like that normally.
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Oct 28, 2020 01:27
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Someone needs to make a Game Design Off / Game Design On video with a WD:2 on the left and (take your pick of non-garbage open world games) on the right. It's absolutely amazing to me how not only does the game itself look incredibly bland, but the RT effects are basically meaningless. Jesus what a disaster. I honestly don't understand how people keep buying Ubisoft's garbage. shrike82 posted:lol if they pushed back due to failing cert - you can pretty much guarantee it's going to be buggy as hell when it launches I mean I think that's just CDPR history. IDK why anyone would buy a big-rear end RPG at launch and expect it to not be a buggy mess. The way CDPR doesn't penalize you for not preordering makes it extra imprudent to be in such a rush, but... humans dumb. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Oct 28, 2020 01:31
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K8.0 posted:Someone needs to make a Game Design Off / Game Design On video with a WD:2 on the left and (take your pick of non-garbage open world games) on the right.
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Oct 28, 2020 01:33
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K8.0 posted:I honestly don't understand how people keep buying Ubisoft's garbage. To be fair, that's quite possibly why it's being given away with Ampere cards.
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Oct 28, 2020 01:44
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shrike82 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Wq2FPz-rs Pros: the ray traced reflections look nice. Cons: everything else, and when there isn't anything reflective in the scene to take advantage of the RTX features I literally can't notice a difference between RTX on/off.
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Oct 28, 2020 01:51
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MikeC posted:The models look like a total disaster. Literally like stop motion animated or something. Aren't they proceduraly generated? And isn't the voiced dialogue synthesized as well?
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Oct 28, 2020 01:52
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I liked Watch Dogs 1 and 2 and think Legion looks ok? Obvi not ground breaking but it’s not a FPS so whatever. I’ll get it on sale. Alright cya.
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Oct 28, 2020 01:52
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:Pros: the ray traced reflections look nice. Yeah, I guess uh, shoutout to whoever worked on the lighting system that looks almost exactly like the RTX alternative? Nice work?
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Oct 28, 2020 01:53
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MH Knights posted:Aren't they proceduraly generated? And isn't the voiced dialogue synthesized as well?
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Oct 28, 2020 01:54
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there're a bunch of open world games that look better - genshin impact, immortals feniyx ryzening, ac: valhalla, cp2077 (at some point) WD has an interesting conceit of being set now but they've never really made good on it
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Oct 28, 2020 01:59
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I have genshin impact installed, not really my thing though. I got this game for free and it's out in two days.
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Oct 28, 2020 02:03
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sean10mm posted:e: Also some of that animation is just incredibad, yeah. The player character looks like they dookied their pants and are trying to walk home nonchalantly without making a bigger mess. Also the faces remind me of the doughy potato faces that The Sims 3 had.
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Oct 28, 2020 02:10
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What's this about a 3080ti now? There isn't enough supply for the 3080s and now there's a ti? What's in the ti? I can only imagine how limited the ti numbers are gonna be. We're never getting cards are we.
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Oct 28, 2020 02:14
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Vasler posted:What's this about a 3080ti now? There isn't enough supply for the 3080s and now there's a ti? What's in the ti? I can only imagine how limited the ti numbers are gonna be. We're never getting cards are we. It's a demand issue. By shifting some of the demand away from 3080s and into 3080Ti's, more people will get their 3080s!
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Oct 28, 2020 02:17
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shrike82 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8Wq2FPz-rs literally can't tell the difference between the two other than rtx having slightly shinier/sharper reflections on glossy surfaces. like aren't these raytracing extensions supposed to enable global illumination and self-shadowing and poo poo? who cares if all it does is make windows a little glossier calling it now: rtx is this generation's hairworks. (dlss is this generation's programmable shaders)
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Oct 28, 2020 02:24
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RTX is going to end up being like 3D movies, for every Avatar/Control there will be 20 Thor/Watchdogs.
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Oct 28, 2020 02:28
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Vasler posted:What's this about a 3080ti now? There isn't enough supply for the 3080s and now there's a ti? What's in the ti? I can only imagine how limited the ti numbers are gonna be. We're never getting cards are we. To be clear, it's at this point just a rumor based off another rumor that NVidia is doing some stuff with a chip that would sit in between the existing 3080 and 3090 chips. There has been no independent, let alone official, confirmation of this. The "leak" is from the same guy who, while he did have some accurate information about the 3080/3090, has also reported info about stuff like the 3080 20GB, which if it ever existed as anything more than an entry on a spreadsheet of "SKUs we're considering" has now been canceled. So don't take it as a done deal, is what I'm saying. Sagebrush posted:calling it now: rtx is this generation's hairworks. (dlss is this generation's programmable shaders) Call it what you like, but NVidia, AMD, Sony, and Microsoft are all-in on making RT work. NVidia's ahead right now, but RT is absolutely coming whether you want it or not.
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Oct 28, 2020 02:29
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I'm gonna throw my watch doges code I got with my video card into the freakeing toilet
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Oct 28, 2020 02:29
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fwiw though watch_doge 2 also just looked fine, not ugly and not stunning, just fine, but it was a ton of fun. the first mission has you harassing a guy who looks exactly like martin shkreli and at one point you break tom cruise out from a scientology compound and the main plot is essentially to destroy facebook. it's quite possible that this game also will be fun despite not having killer graphics
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Oct 28, 2020 02:32
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The DF guys seemed pretty impressed with what Sony has done with RT. It's just going to be part of gaming at some point since console makers are all in.
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Oct 28, 2020 02:32
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