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Shageletic posted:I'd prefer the John Corben mercernary version where he's maimed until being rebuilt with metal and Kryptonite. Maybe have him be a victim of the end of the Man of Steel catalycism. Give him a personality and a real grudge, and maybe have Batman realize where his paranoia and hatred could take him. I think some people were expecting Scoot McNairy's character to end up being Metallo for this very reason. Scoot
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Brandon Routh: Please keep my massive hog a secret, no one can know more like hugerman
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Jason Derulo said they had to edit out his dick in Cats because it was just too big. I don’t see anyone requiring an NDA about that though and I don’t believe him anyway.
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I mean, wouldn't every guy be like "lol massive dong here guys had to edit out the weenus"? Not me, though. Make sure the nubbin casts accurate shadows John Wick of Dogs posted:Brandon Routh: Please keep my massive hog a secret, no one can know But under the NIGHT RADIATION of DUSK, his slumbering dong undergoes a massive metamorphosis turning him into Big Donger!
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This is my gift. This is my curse
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Derulo has been caught photoshopping his bulge on Instagram before, he is probably just massively insecure.
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That shot from the trailer from Superman Returns, but instead of the bullet being crushed against his eye, it's his crotch.
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wizardofloneliness posted:Jason Derulo said they had to edit out his dick in Cats because it was just too big. I don’t see anyone requiring an NDA about that though and I don’t believe him anyway. It's technically true, but not for the reason he thinks. All the actors' bodies were entirely replaced with genital-less CGI, so everyone's dick was edited out.
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That doesn't look like anything to me. Shageletic posted:lol you're right Insane how good the old DCAU stuff was. Also they could adapt the Corbin/Metallo thing straight and make a drat good Superman movie, too bad McQuarrie never got his crack at it.
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So is Morbius ever gonna come out?
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What's the deal with Moon Knight anyway? What makes them an interesting character?
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Edit: wait no that's taskmaster
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Freakazoid_ posted:What's the deal with Moon Knight anyway? What makes them an interesting character? Well you see he’s schizophrenic, has multiple personalities, may be powered by an Egyptian moon God that is a figment of his imagination, is kind of like Batman but also an rear end in a top hat and....
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Freakazoid_ posted:What's the deal with Moon Knight anyway? What makes them an interesting character? He's essentially Batman but believes that he's a champion of an ancient god named "Kohnshu". He's tough as balls, has loads of moon-themed gadgets and is exquisitely violent. He's legitimately mentally ill and that gets treated as a joke most of them time. Most likely he's a paranoid schizophrenic but some versions have the god stuff be real. Unlike Batman, he wears white because he wants people to see him coming. He loves terrifying people by being a relentless force of violence. Taskmaster (who can copy anyone's fighting style by quickly observing them) says he won't copy Moon Knight because (I'm paraphrasing) "He's not interested in dodging attacks. He wants to bleed because that makes him scarier." edit: I love Moon Knight because when he's treated well, he's a lot like the better Deadpool stories. On the surface it's all wacky violence and swearing but he's actually in a lot of mental anguish and doesn't know how to deal with it. MK isn't a wacky character per se but there's just enough about him that's odd so lots of people in-universe don't take him seriously. He's more likely to lean in to his mental illness because it gives him a justification for his violence. Mix Batman, Deadpool and The Punisher into one dude that is just crazy for moons and pyramids. Inzombiac fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Oct 27, 2020 |
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I was thinking about the mentally ill stuff. The options are either they remove all of that or do it poorly and then get in trouble with the internet right?
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Unmature posted:I was thinking about the mentally ill stuff. The options are either they remove all of that or do it poorly and then get in trouble with the internet right? It's unlikely they will keep it in. The safest route is to make the Konshu stuff in his head but keep it vague about it being an illness or real. Mental illness used as a reason for violence sucks and is really outdated.
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Freakazoid_ posted:What's the deal with Moon Knight anyway? What makes them an interesting character? There's a showdown in one of the recent story arcs where he uses his specially made armor ( that helps him avoid damage by locking components into place so that they absorb the brunt of the force of an attack rather than his body) to prop up a collapsing building and then keeps fighting the supervillain in his underwear. Also what everyone else said. He's basically an example of a character that was underused and/or widely ridiculed for so long that writers could do whatever they wanted with him and ended up writing some fairly interesting, entertaining, compelling stuff that you couldn't get away with if the hero in question was Spider-man or even like...Luke Cage.
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And then the most recent story for him is Moon Knight running around beating up other super heroes during the Super Moon and stealing their powers like Megaman so he can punch a hole in satan.
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Inzombiac posted:It's unlikely they will keep it in.
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Inzombiac posted:So is Morbius ever gonna come out? Already tried: https://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/a33684/jared-leto-claims-that-he-is-gay/
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Freakazoid_ posted:What's the deal with Moon Knight anyway? What makes them an interesting character? Mat Cauthon posted:He's basically an example of a character that was underused and/or widely ridiculed for so long that writers could do whatever they wanted with him and ended up writing some fairly interesting, entertaining, compelling stuff that you couldn't get away with if the hero in question was Spider-man or even like...Luke Cage. It reminds me of a Mightygodking quote about how Punisher works in the Marvel universe in a way that would never work in DC, because most Marvel superheroes don't have the wherewithal to track him down and stop him, and people in power (like Nick Fury) would rather figure out a way to exploit him. Likewise, Moon Knight doesn't ask you to accept all the things that seem implausible about Batman even in the context of a cape comic. Y'know how people will point out that Batman is just a psychotic war criminal? Moon Knight's origin story is that he was a psychotic war criminal.
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Moon Knight is one of my favorite characters and I have loved him ever since his second series in the eighties which literally showed him hanging from a rope ladder on the MoonCopter (yes, like Thanos, he has his own sweet heli-ride) and karate kicking a guy. This poo poo was like nerd catnip to me. So I feel somewhat compelled to make an effortpost about him. Moon Knight started out as a werewolf hunter in a cool-rear end 70s book called Werewolf by Night. He was the bad guy (the titular Werewolf was the protagonist). He looked so dope and was so compelling they gave him his own series and it did juuuuuust well enough that they kept trotting him out every so often. His earliest stuff basically makes him a sort of Batman analogue. He definitely doesn't start that way - he's a former CIA guy turned mercenary named Marc Spector in Egypt who gets fed-up with the brutish ways of his co-workers and tries to help some civilians. This ends with him being beaten to near-death for his troubles. After languishing for a bit in a near-coma he suddenly snaps out of it. The first thing he sees is an Egyptian statue of Konshu, a god of Vengeance - and so he grabs the white sheet that is partially covering the statue (it was being prepared for shipping) and uses it as a sort of cowl while he takes on his former co-workers and saves the day. However he quickly relocates back to New York and we suddenly find out that he made a ton of money from investments and has a mansion and poo poo and takes on the identity of Steve Grant, a playboy. He also occasionally drives a cab as Jake Lockley, a sort of working class guy. He uses this identities to investigate the usual 80s street level crime stuff and then dresses up as Moon Knight to stop it. Moon Knight likes to scare people and break their fingers and such. If you're thinking this sounds pretty goofy, well, yeah it is. The series did not last too long. A second series followed that changed up this formula, then a third, and a fourth, and so on...I think we're at six limited series now? Moon Knight can be a pretty compelling character, which is why he keeps coming back. He has a lot of fun stuff in his character toolbox. First of all, there is an element of *brain problems* with the character, but what those elements are - they change from author to author. It's all some flavor of mental illness but some of it is played for mystery and others are silly. The early stuff, for instance, has Marc Spector getting confused about who he *really* is, if he's really a billionaire playboy or a cab driver or a vigilante (who wears white because "I don't hide, I want 'em to see me coming"). At a later point Brian Michael Bendis made him think he was one of the Avengers (as well as hallucinate them, Fight-Club style). I'm going to be honest: IMO they never did anything good with this kind of thing, it just seemed kind of sad to see a guy talk to people who clearly aren't there. However, the other element they sometimes play with - and that is much more fruitful IMO - is a fun question: is this guy actually possessed/being helped by Konshu? As in, when he woke up under the Konshu statue in Egypt was it really because an old diety took an interest in him and wanted to grant him vengeance? Some writers have a lot of fun with this, because it's all written as though it could either be an extremely smart capable guy who has very bad PTSD and just gets lucky sometimes or a perfectly sane dude who literally has a shamanistic relationship with an old-school god at their side. Secondly, Moon Knight is a very protean character. He changes around a lot between his various incarnations. All of his series start from completely different points and go from there. Let me give a couple of examples. This is his circumstance at the start of some of his series: His legs are injured, he's confined to a wheelchair, and everyone hates him after he deliberately kills his number-one supervillain (like if Batman killed the Joker) He is a movie producer in Los Angeles helping to produce a show about his adventures He's jettisoned his identities and is now Moon Knight full time, trying to make amends for his former brutal ways. He leans even more into the gadgets side of thing He's a private detective called Mr. Knight who consults in supernatural cases with the NYPD He's in an asylum and being told that "Moon Knight" was a character he made up during a dissociative episode Three, there's an element of the absurd to him, which is reinforced by Marc's constantly-changing circumstances and his status as an unreliable narrator. Again, certain authors have a lot of fun with this, and write issues that could either read as "an Egyptian god inspires this guy to right a hidden wrong" or "a dude flips out and beats up a guy for no reason". So as you can see, being a "Moon Knight fan" is very much being a fan of the concept of an "unreliable narrator vigilante cape story", since the character has such a wildly varied comic history with so many wild and weird reversals being part of the canon. Hopefully they will play to the strengths of the character and not fall into the trap of "Schizo Batman" or "looks really cool but is exactly like every other street level cape"
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Freakazoid_ posted:What's the deal with Moon Knight anyway? What makes them an interesting character? Bill Sienkiewicz drew the covers.
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He drew the interior art as well, and it was very good. Moon Knight has done some pretty cool stuff with visual storytelling, and it will be a big shame if Disney uses their usual blando house style on it.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Moon Knight has done some pretty cool stuff with visual storytelling, and it will be a big shame if Disney uses their usual blando house style on it. I never really had context for Moon Knight beyond "a more supernatural Batman," but yeah, it sounds like he's a character who'd really benefit from some ambitious weirdness in the storytelling, like Legion or Maniac or American Gods. Confusing subjectivity, or not-naturalistic aesthetic style, or odd and jarring editing...anything to convey the unreliable and abnormal mental state of the character. But absolutely, Disney-Marvel isn't into that poo poo. Even Dr. Strange needed to keep everything as motivated and comprehensible as possible so you always knew exactly how to feel. Maybe WandaVision will completely shatter my assumptions about how weird they're willing to go, but I doubt it.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Moon Knight is one of my favorite characters and I have loved him ever since his second series in the eighties which literally showed him hanging from a rope ladder on the MoonCopter (yes, like Thanos, he has his own sweet heli-ride) and karate kicking a guy. I was surprised to see here that the character first appeared in the 70s because so much of the stuff about him is like something from The Shadow or other just-pre-Batman pulp characters. Moon Knight is one of those characters I never actually read anything of myself just seen him pop up in other characters' stories, is there a particular starting point you'd recommend or a best Moon Knight thing overall? Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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I was going to pop back in to post about that! A lot of pulp characters had multiple aliases, and/or a cast of supporting characters who were experts in some specific field. Doc Savage and The Shadow did both. I would just start reading the 2014 series that started with six issues by Warren Ellis. It does get into his history of burning identities and allies but without drowning you in continuity. The follow-up series by Jeff Lemire gets even deeper into the psychological aspect, where Moon Knight goes back and forth between being a mental patient, an actor in a Moon Knight movie, and even more fantastical stuff. Edit: The original Moench/Sienkiewicz series is very readable and has great art. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Well it just depends. There's probably a Moon Knight story you'll enjoy, and probably quite a few you won't. Generally the two best-liked ones are: From The Dead, a six-issue series by Warren Ellis that revamps the character as a sort of detective who solves problems that other heroes wouldn't bother with. He generally does something different in each issue; it's very procedural. It also has an extremely strong Ellis Voice; every character talks like Warren Ellis. There's some real fun visual storytelling in here, some nice odd situations, and Moon Knight is a legit weirdo in some of the stories, so that's fun. The other one is The Bottom by Charlie Huston. Huston was a legit crime fiction writer tapped to bring back the Spirit of Vengeance and writes a gritty tale of a Moon Knight whose best days are behind him. The art on this book is ludicrously and gloriously 90s (even though it was written in the mid-2000s) and the plot beats are something that a 16 year old would come up with if you said "hard boiled superhero". But there are some really fun ideas at play here, and the premise that the story starts with the hero truly and thoroughly beaten down by hard circumstances and their own self-pity is a nice premise. There has been some recent activity on Moon Knight as well, and while it's not bad I'm not sure I would recommend reading it cold. One thing I can say is to stay away from the Brian Michael Bendis series; IMO it's a complete disaster. It takes a GREAT premise (moving Marc Spector, who has always had trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy, to Los Angeles) but then completely throws out the character's history of alternate identities to shoehorn in the loving Avengers! Plus, it fridges a very cool disabled superhero. Not recommended at all. The older series are really cool if you like Bill Sienkiewicz art but IMO the storytelling can be a little rough. They aren't horrible or anything, they are very readable and there's some legit cool stuff (one story arc prominently features the character's Jewish identity, which was unusual in the early 80s) but overall they are skippable unless you're a real Moon Knight kook.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:At a later point Brian Michael Bendis made him think he was one of the Avengers (as well as hallucinate them, Fight-Club style). I'm going to be honest: IMO they never did anything good with this kind of thing, it just seemed kind of sad to see a guy talk to people who clearly aren't there. I used to play Marvel: Avengers Alliance obsessively, and for whatever reason, that was the version of the character that made it into the game. It was actually really fun to play, though, and your SHIELD Agent PC character could get a fun set of weapons based on it. He'd randomly switch personalities, which would give him a bonus to a different type of attack, and his playstyle was based on stacking a Retribution buff that could be spent on free
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I think The Shadow would be a good TV series. He’s like Batman meets Dr. Strange.
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Well just a gentle reminder that the old pulp heroes were made for radio serials, so yes they all generally have very good story plumbing that makes them work well in any kind of ongoing series.
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Obviously these panels aren't real but did Dracula ever actually owe Moon Knight money and did Moon Knight ever come to collect? 
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S.H.I.E.L.D. had a flashback to ancient Egyptian Avengers, including Moon Knight and Apocalypse, fighting the Brood. S.H.I.E.L.D. owns.
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https://twitter.com/BJMendelson/status/1321185952841273346 Oh, why would Disney help support Chris Pratt of all people, I can't imagine Never forget, this is the true face of Disney beneath all the family friendly bullshit
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The United States posted:Obviously these panels aren't real but did Dracula ever actually owe Moon Knight money and did Moon Knight ever come to collect? No, it's an homage to a very real comic from the 70s where Dr. Doom hires Luke Cage to beat up some robots for $200 and skips town before paying him.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:No, it's an homage to a very real comic from the 70s where Dr. Doom hires Luke Cage to beat up some robots for $200 and skips town before paying him. Upon which Cage "borrows" a Quinjet from the Avengers to pursue Doom to Latveria. It's a classic second only to "I command you to WANK!"
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How can anyone be surprised that a big corporation is supporting the politics that will benefit them the most? Disney is doing what 99% of all big corporations are doing.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:No, it's an homage to a very real comic from the 70s where Dr. Doom hires Luke Cage to beat up some robots for $200 and skips town before paying him. I don't know where these originally came from, but has Moon Knight ever run into Dracula?
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Oasx posted:How can anyone be surprised that a big corporation is supporting the politics that will benefit them the most? Disney is doing what 99% of all big corporations are doing. The politics that benefit them the most are bad, that's why people get mad about it.
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