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Mulva posted:Yeah, for the straight up thesis statement of Cap 2 to be the main bad guy flat out saying that he was convinced to join Hydra by Nick Fury and his actions is already pushing it pretty far for what completely inoffensive blockbusters usually go for. The entire film is constantly saying that the Nazis didn't secretly infiltrate and corrupt so much as they just stood around being Nazis and then everyone was cool with doing Nazi stuff so they took power. And it's like But then undermines that with the shootout at SHIELD HQ, where everyone knows whether they're a double nazi or just a regular paramilitary spy, and they know it instantly, in the time it takes to pull a gun. Junkozeyne posted:Not really. None of the characters, including Nick Fury, Maria Hill etc. question their methods or ideology in any way. They just see open fascists and punch them and then go back to doing exactly what they have been doing before. This gets even more funny with subsequent movies, Far from Home's drone program is not meaningfully different from the sniper carriers only now it's ok as long as the 'correct' people are in charge. Somebody tried to tell me that Winter Soldier changed everything in the MCU, but went quiet when he remembered that Civil War opens with Cap doing the exact same poo poo he was doing in the opening of Winter Soldier, just with a couple of new action figures alongside him.
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Inzombiac posted:He's essentially Batman but believes that he's a champion of an ancient god named "Kohnshu". He's tough as balls, has loads of moon-themed gadgets and is exquisitely violent. Actually, Moon Knight is great because he's so underrated due to his tumultuous back story that various creators can absolutely gently caress with him largely unrestrained by editorial, from Charlie Huston to Warren Ellis. The retroactive bolting on of a continuous and harmonious back story onto the character is a disservice imo. He's like an awkward cross between EC comics and Daredevil. He's great. e: Mat Cauthon posted:There's a showdown in one of the recent story arcs where he uses his specially made armor ( that helps him avoid damage by locking components into place so that they absorb the brunt of the force of an attack rather than his body) to prop up a collapsing building and then keeps fighting the supervillain in his underwear. yeah this
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Apologies for derailing Star Wars chat, but... https://www.forbes.com/sites/sheraz...r/#18c5406e2518
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Snowman_McK posted:But then undermines that with the shootout at SHIELD HQ, where everyone knows whether they're a double nazi or just a regular paramilitary spy, and they know it instantly, in the time it takes to pull a gun. In a just world we would get a The Office style show, prequel and sequel, about the SHIELD office workers and how they knew all along that Larry was Hydra before the shoot-out, and how awkward it is to work with Larry afterwards. Also, iirc Civil War opens with flashbacks and Zemo stuff, but I legit forgot what Cap does when he is first shown.
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Grendels Dad posted:In a just world we would get a The Office style show, prequel and sequel, about the SHIELD office workers and how they knew all along that Larry was Hydra before the shoot-out, and how awkward it is to work with Larry afterwards. He's stopping Crossbones from trading a WMD on foreign soil. It ends with Wanda failing to stop the explosion from hurting innocents.
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Snowman_McK posted:But then undermines that with the shootout at SHIELD HQ, where everyone knows whether they're a double nazi or just a regular paramilitary spy, and they know it instantly, in the time it takes to pull a gun. Yeah, it's a completely inoffensive blockbuster. Of course it's wrapped up mostly pat and people don't have to think too hard. The fact it went to "The government is run by Nazis because we are Nazis, deep down." is already going wildly out of the normal comfort zone for poo poo like this. Even when Cap keeps doing the same things in Civil War, he doesn't trust the government again. He just does that poo poo with his friends, largely unregulated. Hence, you know, the call for regulation. Like it's still completely safe corporate pap, but it didn't lick the boot as hard as some of these things usually do.
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Oct 30, 2020 11:48
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PriorMarcus posted:He's stopping Crossbones from trading a WMD on foreign soil. It ends with Wanda failing to stop the explosion from hurting innocents.  right, thanks. Now I remember being angry at that scene for wasting Frank Grillo's beautiful hair.
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PriorMarcus posted:He's stopping Crossbones from trading a WMD on foreign soil. It ends with Wanda failing to stop the explosion from hurting innocents. It was literally the opposite of the Martha scene in BvS. Cap heard Crossbones mention Bucky which distracted him and thus he was too slow to stop Crossbones from blowing up in a crowded building.
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Grendels Dad posted:
Frank Grillo hanging out with Donnie Yen in Blade 2 in the "cool guys that a comic book movie utterly wasted" lounge.
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The United States posted:That's Captain America 2: Winter War. The end credits sequence is Captain America waking up in dystopian modern america and basically doing the ending from Planet of the Apes I do wonder where Cap stood on the Soviet/Finnish War though
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Frank Grillo hanging out with Donnie Yen in Blade 2 in the "cool guys that a comic book movie utterly wasted" lounge. Grillo wasn't in Blade 2, was he? Speaking of the blades, is trinity worth watching?
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mastershakeman posted:Grillo wasn't in Blade 2, was he? Speaking of the blades, is trinity worth watching? Hahaha no. And MJ meant that they were wasted in their respective movies, I'm sure. They should form a team, something like the Waste Coast Avengers.
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2house2fly posted:Or just no way, as in Infinity War Infinity War is a film about a tech billionaire's paranoid fantasy about a foreign other destroying the world being entirely validated (Let's not forget that this previously almost lead him to destroy the world). Endgame is about that same man, after obtaining a literally unimaginable amount of power, finally destroying the foreign intruders, and becomes a Christ-like figure for bringing back the status quo.
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KVeezy3 posted:Infinity War is a film about a tech billionaire's paranoid fantasy about a foreign other destroying the world being entirely validated (Let's not forget that this previously almost lead him to destroy the world). Endgame is about that same man, after obtaining a literally unimaginable amount of power, finally destroying the foreign intruders, and becomes a Christ-like figure for bringing back the status quo. Priest of the Church of Stark *holds up caviar* "This is my body which was awesome and broken for you short-sighted peons. Eat it in remembrance of me." *holds up whiskey sour* "This is my blood which was spilled saving your asses. Drink it in remembrance." *holds up a game controller* "This is my drone link which will call down murder robots to kill every last mother's child among you if you gently caress with my legacy even a little bit. Fear it in remembrance of me."
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KVeezy3 posted:Infinity War is a film about a tech billionaire's paranoid fantasy about a foreign other destroying the world being entirely validated (Let's not forget that this previously almost lead him to destroy the world). Endgame is about that same man, after obtaining a literally unimaginable amount of power, finally destroying the foreign intruders, and becomes a Christ-like figure for bringing back the status quo. I still love his admonishment to Cap that "we were supposed to build a suit of armor around the world!" Like, nobody stopped you? You built Ultron who you helped kill then you built Vision who you made your robot butler. Then you jailed half the super heroes and I'm not sure how that was supposed to help.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Frank Grillo hanging out with Donnie Yen in Blade 2 in the "cool guys that a comic book movie utterly wasted" lounge. To be fair to Blade 2, Yen was only there, originally, as a fight choreographer (the movie had several) and, late in the process, they asked him if he wanted to appear in the movie.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Does that factor in the attempts to draw parralels between Forest Whitaker's insurgents and Al'Queda? A looming threat that revolutions can too easily be lost in blood. The art direction changed between original filming and the reshoots for Forest Whitaker to make him more evocative of bin Laden. 
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Snowman_McK posted:To be fair to Blade 2, Yen was only there, originally, as a fight choreographer (the movie had several) and, late in the process, they asked him if he wanted to appear in the movie. I didn't know that, and honestly, it does help.
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The United States posted:A Bin Laden analogue who originally trained with and fought alongside the Republic He doesn't map perfectly onto bin Laden, but let's recall that the CIA gave barely covert support (including Stinger missiles) to Afghan rebels fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan - and then the US ended up fighting some of those same rebels later. And they're still over there fighting even now.
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Funny thing is that he basically ends up the rebels' own Darth Vader, complete with being a cyborg reliant on a breathing apparatus. (and the same sound effect)
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Everyone posted:Priest of the Church of Stark Guy A. Person posted:I still love his admonishment to Cap that "we were supposed to build a suit of armor around the world!" Like, nobody stopped you? You built Ultron who you helped kill then you built Vision who you made your robot butler. Then you jailed half the super heroes and I'm not sure how that was supposed to help. Just lol at how at how it almost seems like satire; they even have Thanos weirdly pontificate about how he hopes Iron Man will be properly worshiped. Irony Be My Shield posted:Almost like it's a blockbuster that's trying not to offend anyone's sensibilities so that they keep going to see the films regardless of their political affiliation. It is precisely how a film fails in its intent 'to not offend anyone's sensibilities' that is very revealing of its ideology (Since neutrality is impossible when operating in the symbolic order).
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I knew that they'd never do it, but I was really hoping Iron Man would go out the way he does in the Infinity Gauntlet comic: getting his head unceremoniously ripped off of his body.
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Flying Zamboni posted:I knew that they'd never do it, but I was really hoping Iron Man would go out the way he does in the Infinity Gauntlet comic: getting his head unceremoniously ripped off of his body. I was annoyed nobody got cubed
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Unmature posted:I was annoyed nobody got cubed Yeah, there were a lot of missed opportunities. You're undoing everything with a magic wish in the next movie, go crazy!
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I think if they went too wild wrecking characters before the end, the jig would have been up that they were going to push the reset button. Even though lots of people knew there was a Part II coming, and that of course Spider-Man wouldn't stay dead if he had a sequel coming out next year, treating the deaths like they were serious and actually mattered was a necessary part of the illusion before the final twist.
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Unmature posted:I was annoyed nobody got cubed Draxx did ...sorta
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Guy A. Person posted:I still love his admonishment to Cap that "we were supposed to build a suit of armor around the world!" Like, nobody stopped you? You built Ultron who you helped kill then you built Vision who you made your robot butler. Then you jailed half the super heroes and I'm not sure how that was supposed to help. Outside of the MCU (but not outside Marvel) the sentinel robots from X-man also have a design highly suggestive of an Ironman suit.
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Schwarzwald posted:Outside of the MCU (but not outside Marvel) the sentinel robots from X-man also have a design highly suggestive of an Ironman suit. Reminded that Red Volcano in Young Justice was basically a red Iron Man suit, not sure how they got away with that. (They also drew Black Spider as evil Spider-man, complete with one of his voice actors) Oh, speaking of Sentinel: https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1322367067798990848
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Wassup SKWAD??
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Putting aside everything else, it is truly weird how Warner Bros/DCEU/whatever has completely contorted itself to try and walk back past decisions.
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Find it a little difficult to believe Ayer would still be spending so much time grousing on twitter if he'd been given the green light.
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Schwarzwald posted:Putting aside everything else, it is truly weird how Warner Bros/DCEU/whatever has completely contorted itself to try and walk back past decisions. I assume that most of the people who made those decisions got axed/quit/failed upward.
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Everyone posted:He doesn't map perfectly onto bin Laden, but let's recall that the CIA gave barely covert support (including Stinger missiles) to Afghan rebels fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan - and then the US ended up fighting some of those same rebels later. And they're still over there fighting even now.
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Here's some other articles from that site: Zack Snyder And HBO Max Are Developing A Justice League 2 Michael Keaton Has Signed On To Star As Bruce Wayne In An HBO Max Batman Beyond Series Is YouTube Preventing People From Finding The (QAnon-Beloved) Out Of Shadows Documentary? I don't think they're legitimate.
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https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/1323005298974486529
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I’m absolutely sure that during the editing of bvs whenever Snyder had a creative block he would insert footage of Affleck pulling a face. He never repeats an expression and they all are memeable as hell. I know this is JL but my point stands.
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He knows that Batman is extremely memetic. BTAS has a ton of those.
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