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ImpAtom posted:Obama was pretty fuckin' conservative in his plans even discounting his inability to stick to them. This is a reach to try and maintain your position in this discussion, and you know it. Obama was perceived as progressive by most of the people voting for him and that's what he rode to victory, besides his personal charisma.
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Pick posted:Yes, if you are protesting for a policy, you do actually have to structure it so that your protest makes people want to do that thing instead of the exact opposite of that thing. You can argue all day if that's fair but if you're making noise, one of two things will happen--the average listener will think it's a good noise, or a bad noise, and will react accordingly. Do you have evidence that "defund the police" actually played a significant role in this election's outcome, outside of what centrist Dems are saying?
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insta posted:The Trumpy HR woman has escalated. She saw me spritz the touch-button of the water cooler with alcohol. She then sent an email company wide saying not to do that "so we don't ruin the equipment". She then removed all the sanitizers from the communal area. Jesus. What is the OSHA/pandemic orders situation like in your state? Anonymously report that poo poo no joke.
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Clyburn is bought by Big Pharma btw. It's why he was never backing anyone but Biden in the primary. I can't believe even after this they think "we gotta go right" is the move. I thought maybe this would finally snap them out of it.
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Pick posted:Yes, if you are protesting for a policy, you do actually have to structure it so that your protest makes people want to do that thing instead of the exact opposite of that thing. You can argue all day if that's fair but if you're making noise, one of two things will happen--the average listener will think it's a good noise, or a bad noise, and will react accordingly. Continuing to present the protests against being suffocated for eight minutes and forty-six seconds under a training officer's knee in a deep blue-team city and state as a 'you' & 'they' thing instead of a 'we' & 'us' thing is why these arguments about policy have failed to gain traction. Perhaps Pick could structure the way Pick makes an argument so that people listen to Pick instead of telling Pick that it is decorum weirdo behavior to tell 'they' what to do.
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mango sentinel posted:I am Alarmed I kinda am too. On one hand it could just be him leaving cause Trump's losing and he knows Trump was gonna fire him, but what if he's resigning because Trump keeps asking him to do something he refuses to do?
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Nov 5, 2020 22:38
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He was probably asked to say some shady poo poo that even he couldn’t get behind.
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Grondoth posted:I kinda am too. On one hand it could just be him leaving cause Trump's losing and he knows Trump was gonna fire him, but what if he's resigning because Trump keeps asking him to do something he refuses to do? If it's the latter, no one in the higher chain of command of the military will allow it. They've been pretty clear about that.
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Sorry y'all I didn't know there was an article, but Marcy Wheeler admonished everyone to read the article on Twitter and it sounds like he just expects to be fired rather than anything alarming https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/long-odds-trump-defense-secretary-esper-has-prepared-resignation-letter-n1245846
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1324456569778675712?s=20 And they suck at math: Most wins in Congress were 51/49, the landslides were 55/45. The Squad? YUGE wins. AOC 68/30 Omar 64/25 Tlaib 77/18
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If Biden wins it’ll be really great watching everyone go into ignoring dipshit Trump mode even if it was 4 years too late.
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I am surprised that the Democrats have taken progressive votes and then turned right.
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Kulkasha posted:Whoa, wonder what Cheeto tried to order him to do https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/long-odds-trump-defense-secretary-esper-has-prepared-resignation-letter-n1245846 "But defense officials say Esper prepared his letter because he is one of the Cabinet officials long expected to be pushed out after the election. As his tenure may be coming to an end, Esper is helping members of Congress draft legislation that will strip names of Confederate leaders from military bases in a move that could put him further at odds with President Donald Trump."
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The reason why Dems did bad is the dollars and cents, it has nothing to do with BLM or identity politics. Americans need help, they need jobs, they need healthcare, they need material economic benefits. If the Dems decide they're going to shunt identity politics and social democracy off the boat and go straight ahead with neoliberalism then 2022 and 2024 are foregone conclusions. We already saw the results of that approach in this very election, and it was almost complete disaster.
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Trump probably said something about sending troops to stop the vote counting. If so resigning is the coward's way out, just say no
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Pick posted:Go ahead and keep assuming that everyone's secretly super leftist and that they're just stupid for not wanting what you're selling and see how that-- oh. go ahead and keep finding reasons to justify your support the drug war and police, but couch it as if youre talking about "strategy" and not your actual beliefs. why do you feel the need to constantly defend racism pick?
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Groovelord Neato posted:Clyburn is bought by Big Pharma btw. It's why he was never backing anyone but Biden in the primary. The true lesson of 2020 is that none of this poo poo can be reformed, it has to be replaced.
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bobjr posted:What are the basics of the Democratic Party message? Letting you live in squalor, watching everything you care about erode and crumble, and then die in the street penniless but being nice enough to step over you instead of stomping your face into the mud*. *does not apply if you are a minority or live in the global south. Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1324456569778675712?s=20 The party cannot fail, it can only be failed, etc etc. Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1324456569778675712?s=20 No, Republicans actually have control of their caucus and discipline around their messaging.
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TGLT posted:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/long-odds-trump-defense-secretary-esper-has-prepared-resignation-letter-n1245846 lol He's incapable of hiring people who won't stab him in the back on the way out, it owns
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FuturePastNow posted:Trump probably said something about sending troops to stop the vote counting. This is his letter of resignation to Biden when Biden takes office, not to Trump
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Grondoth posted:I kinda am too. On one hand it could just be him leaving cause Trump's losing and he knows Trump was gonna fire him, but what if he's resigning because Trump keeps asking him to do something he refuses to do? I'll go ahead and guess it'll come out that Trump tried to order troops to Phoenix/Philadelphia/Atlanta to "oversee" the count, or something along those lines. E- but yeah that's probably not why he's resigning. He just knows he's about to be replaced anyway.
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Jaxyon posted:This is a reach to try and maintain your position in this discussion, and you know it. Cornel West called Obama a "Rockafeller Republican in blackface" Obama rode a tide of financial backroom deals and corporate endorsements to victory.
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Chinese Gordon posted:I'll go ahead and guess it'll come out that Trump tried to order troops to Phoenix/Philadelphia/Atlanta to "oversee" the count, or something along those lines. I'm confident that Trump would have tweeted something along those lines before actually trying to order it. The tweet would go something like: SOMEONE SEND IN THE ARMY! SHOULD SECURE THE POLLS FROM THE BIG ELECTION FRAUD!
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OctaMurk posted:This is his letter of resignation to Biden when Biden takes office, not to Trump To either of them, possibly. Though it isn't necessarily what's happening here, it IS customary for cabinet secs to offer their resignations at the end of a term in case the president wants to make a change, even if it's the same rear end in a top hat winning reelection.
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adoration for none posted:The reason why Dems did bad is the dollars and cents, it has nothing to do with BLM or identity politics. Americans need help, they need jobs, they need healthcare, they need material economic benefits. If the Dems decide they're going to shunt identity politics and social democracy off the boat and go straight ahead with neoliberalism then 2022 and 2024 are foregone conclusions. We already saw the results of that approach in this very election, and it was almost complete disaster. In dollars and cents terms, one analysis I heard that I thought made sense was that Trump's biggest source of votes were based on the Covid Economy - people who's day to day economic lives were not affected by Covid because they were still going to work every day like food service workers, and business owners who want him to put an end to any kind of safety measures that are hurting their bottom lines went for Trump, and this would explain the bleed-over from young POC. The people who voted for Biden are more in the class of people who's lives have been deeply disrupted by Covid, mainly middle class service industry and office types, want Biden because they're ready to do whatever it takes to quash the problem permanently and get their old lives back. I thought was logical at least.
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Sanguinia posted:In dollars and cents terms, one analysis I heard that I thought made sense was that Trump's biggest source of votes were based on the Covid Economy - people who's day to day economic lives were not affected by Covid because they were still going to work every day like food service workers, and business owners who want him to put an end to any kind of safety measures that are hurting their bottom lines went for Trump, and this would explain the bleed-over from young POC. The people who voted for Biden are more in the class of people who's lives have been deeply disrupted by Covid, mainly middle class service industry and office types, want Biden because they're ready to do whatever it takes to quash the problem permanently and get their old lives back. Hmm, do you remember maybe where you read it? That seems like a very valuable insight, I'll look for it if you can't find it.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Clyburn is bought by Big Pharma btw. It's why he was never backing anyone but Biden in the primary. I agree. At the same time, there is a timeline where maybe Clyburn sits back and doesn't endorse anyone. One of the tactical errors of the Bernie campaign was not even contacting Clyburn and at least trying to see if they could find some way to get him just to sit back.
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mA posted:I agree. At the same time, there is a timeline where maybe Clyburn sits back and doesn't endorse anyone. One of the tactical errors of the Bernie campaign was not even contacting Clyburn and at least trying to see if they could find some way to get him just to sit back. not really. there's not a chance that he would have ever cooperated or even not fought against Bernie, given his record and stances.
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Majorian posted:Do you have evidence that "defund the police" actually played a significant role in this election's outcome, outside of what centrist Dems are saying? Similarly curious if Pick can point to counter-examples where the official establishment Democrats organized an effective mass movement with good messaging that lead to a meaningful policy victory?
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Pick posted:Maybe they should have, if they wanted to prevent people from getting shot by not providing ads for the guy who loves shooting people Freedom of speech and assembly are guaranteed in the constitution, the protests aren't going anywhere. Democrats are going to have to figure out how to win, blaming the protests is just an excuse for losing.
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Let's not let the Number distract from the true fact that the President is dead https://twitter.com/USPoliticsPoll/status/1324460651209805824?s=19
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Endorph posted:What part of 'they were loving furious and terrified that they were getting murdered like dogs in the street' do you not get This is all that really needs to be said on the matter. ...And I don't know a way out of this either. How are we supposed to get a mass of white people that are worlds away from this state sanctioned violence to even care? I mean, I know a lot of them do and showed up, but what the gently caress..
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adoration for none posted:Hmm, do you remember maybe where you read it? That seems like a very valuable insight, I'll look for it if you can't find it. It was a segment on NBC yesterday, with one of their business news people talking about how and why the market was reacting to the races' developments. This was also where I first heard analysis related to the market salivating at the prospect of Mitch's Senate stopping any major new regulation or a repeal of the Tax Scam. I can't say what show exactly, I had NBC on all day in my classroom since its one of the news networks that was streaming free on Youtube.
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