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ToxicAcne posted:Interesting how this reached across political aisles. Reminds me of a guy I knew in University. He was pretty leftwing and part of the executive for the Campus NDP but when I mentioned that Remembrance Day would sometimes veer into jingoism, he got very cheesed. The message I got as a kid in the 70s and 80s was "never forget that war is awful". I'm not sure 9/11 had anything to do with anything though. In the 70s and 80s the war that was hanging over our heads was global thermonuclear war. In the course of a few hours everybody in the cities dies, everybody near the cities dies a few weeks later, everybody outside the cities starves in nuclear winter or later dies of cancer -- a civilization ending threat. The only winning move is to not play. Then the soviet union collapsed, the berlin wall fell, and the threat of global thermonuclear war evaporated. Sure, some former soviet nukes went missing, but a guy with just a few nukes is a threat to a city, not a threat to human civilization. And that guy with just one bomb or a suitcase nuke is pretty unlikely to target Canada. The Gulf War in 1990-1991 was Canada's first big thing after the fall of the Soviet Union. We have to defend that little guy, Kuwait (who most of us had never heard of) against big bad Iraq. It was a short, victorious war -- the ideal for jingoism to spring up.
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My main memory of Remembrance Day in the 80s is hearing Flanders Fields read every year and then the teachers making us affect British accents while singing some song. Bear in mind that back then there were still way more WW2 and even WW1 veterans alive, and many of them did not gently caress around with glorifying this stuff. e. my grandfather was a decorated first-wave Juno beach veteran and he went to every memorial service, and I never once heard him suggest that war was good or fun or cool. I never once heard him tell a story about the war. When it would come up he'd get quiet, and I'm pretty sure that he'd box someone's ears if he heard the "are troops" tripe that people spew now. CommonShore has issued a correction as of 00:03 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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ToxicAcne posted:Interesting how this reached across political aisles. Reminds me of a guy I knew in University. He was pretty leftwing and part of the executive for the Campus NDP but when I mentioned that Remembrance Day would sometimes veer into jingoism, he got very cheesed. The extent will depend on your own politics and interpretation but that's definitely always been an element
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ToxicAcne posted:Interesting how this reached across political aisles. Reminds me of a guy I knew in University. He was pretty leftwing and part of the executive for the Campus NDP but when I mentioned that Remembrance Day would sometimes veer into jingoism, he got very cheesed. I think the big turning point wasn't 9/11, it was when we deployed troops to Afghanistan. That helped accelerate a shift from "Remembrance Day is to remember past victims of war, especially soldiers" to "Remembrance Day is to celebrate Our Brave Heroes Fighting Overseas To Defend Our Freedom".
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Chillyrabbit posted:Whole foods recently just banned employees from wearing poppies on their uniform, due to dress code reasons. Hand Knit posted:I'm extremely ready for the chud machine to accuse people wearing BLM pins of exploiting the sacrifice of our most noble veterans, and rudely politicizing remembrance day. iirc, the Whole Foods rule against symbols was instituted to stop people people from wearing Black Lives Matter masks 
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I haven't worn a poppy in years. Not out of any particular ideological commitment but because I almost never have a toonie on me.
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flakeloaf posted:i'm legit mad i didn't think of it i'm glad i'm not in a position to monetize it because gently caress that's tempting
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littleorv posted:I haven't worn a poppy in years. Not out of any particular ideological commitment but because I almost never have a toonie on me. Same. If I could tap my phone against a card reader for a couple bucks in front of the grocery store and get a poppy that actually stays loving attached I'd be more inclined
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Why show support for terrible causes when you can save some loonies and not do it?
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Another Bill posted:Million dollar idea right here punisher Spartan helmet poppy
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Facebook Aunt posted:The message I got as a kid in the 70s and 80s was "never forget that war is awful". Same but the 90s, but I think a large part of that was because I had a social studies teacher all through high school that was great at talking about the horrors of war without denigrating or venerating the soldiers that were pressured or forced to fight. He introduced me to Dulce et Decorum est and it's a far better poem than In Flanders Fields. quote:Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
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vyelkin posted:I think the big turning point wasn't 9/11, it was when we deployed troops to Afghanistan. That helped accelerate a shift from "Remembrance Day is to remember past victims of war, especially soldiers" to "Remembrance Day is to celebrate Our Brave Heroes Fighting Overseas To Defend Our Freedom". It kicked into overdrive with Prime Minister Stephen "World War I was a good and just war and we should do it again" Harper, though WWI as a mythological lynchpin of reactionary Canadian nationalism has been around for a while. Ian McKay, of course. provides the essential reading.
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Cold on a Cob posted:Same but the 90s, but I think a large part of that was because I had a social studies teacher all through high school that was great at talking about the horrors of war without denigrating or venerating the soldiers that were pressured or forced to fight. He introduced me to Dulce et Decorum est and it's a far better poem than In Flanders Fields. My 90s/00s education was similar. We were taught that war was unimaginably horrible and veterans were poor souls made to suffer through it. We also had a few WWII veterans tell us about how terrible it was and that we should be grateful if we never have to share that experience. They were very careful not to imply that war was in any way heroic. I blame Don Cherry.
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The more I think about it, the more I think I might just see less of the jingoism being in the Toronto area where we don’t even get the day off.
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fisting by many posted:My 90s/00s education was similar. We were taught that war was unimaginably horrible and veterans were poor souls made to suffer through it. Yup. Every year we watched this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozgJiJ5tCe4l, whose song you can now hear in your head despite not having clicked it
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drat. I always got the whole schpeel about how the troops in Afghanistan are continuing the Brave Legacy of the WW1 and WW2 veterans by Fighting for Freedom and Democracy! This was done to an audience composed of like 40% Muslim kids so it's no surprise that a lot of them became hostile to the whole celebration of Remembrance Day.
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ToxicAcne posted:drat. I always got the whole schpeel about how the troops in Afghanistan are continuing the Brave Legacy of the WW1 and WW2 veterans by Fighting for Freedom and Democracy! This was done to an audience composed of like 40% Muslim kids so it's no surprise that a lot of them became hostile to the whole celebration of Remembrance Day. yeah, that really was not a thing before we inserted ourselves into afghanistan weirdly, i don't remember there being anything much mentioned about our missions in rawanda or former yugoslavia at the time either (in the context of remembrance day), but i was pretty young and might have just missed it
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Never pay for a poppy because a) the Legion is run by cosplay freaks who support stiffing real vets, and b) there are plenty of lost ones everywhere Use a real pin to secure it if you don't want to bleed for the dead
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ToxicAcne posted:drat. I always got the whole schpeel about how the troops in Afghanistan are continuing the Brave Legacy of the WW1 and WW2 veterans by Fighting for Freedom and Democracy! This was done to an audience composed of like 40% Muslim kids so it's no surprise that a lot of them became hostile to the whole celebration of Remembrance Day. Jesus lmao. hope they enjoy lying in the bed they made
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wearing an flq flag pin at my empty tip top tailors job
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infernal machines posted:doug ship the poppy stickers "We asked 3M to make replacements 'very red' in honor of our troops and they came back reflecting the entire infrared spectrum blinding anyone looking directly at them."
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So its ok to wear a black poppie commemorating all the black soldiers that died in the world wars? You know, because black soldiers matter?
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I was at the Legion for a dance/fundraiser last year and one of the workers gave me poo poo and told me to get the hell off the property for smoking a joint in the parking lot. He was 80 years old easy. Opium Poppy is good Demon weed is evil
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Rutibex posted:So its ok to wear a black poppie commemorating all the black soldiers that died in the world wars? You know, because black soldiers matter? I've worn a black puppy of anarchism in prior years... You can also get white pacifist ones.
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xtal posted:I've worn a black puppy of anarchism in prior years... You can also get white pacifist ones. What do golden retrievers represent?
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Unfortunately golden retrievers are anarcho capitalists
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xtal posted:I've worn a black puppy of anarchism in prior years... You can also get white pacifist ones. Where can I get a white one? I grew up learning that Rememberance day was a day to remember that war is a terrible thing and to remember the sacrifices that others made, not "hoorah troops are great!" If I can use a white poppy to push against that message, then sign me the gently caress up. War is hell, and the people who fight in it should be mourned and pitied, not venerated and idolized.
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Randalor posted:Where can I get a white one? I grew up learning that Rememberance day was a day to remember that war is a terrible thing and to remember the sacrifices that others made, not "hoorah troops are great!" If I can use a white poppy to push against that message, then sign me the gently caress up. War is hell, and the people who fight in it should be mourned and pitied, not venerated and idolized. https://peacepoppies.ca/lapel-poppies/ if I remember right? I can only find wholesale on the website but I remember being able to buy some for  somewhere.For the black one I just took a sharpie to it.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Winnipeg/comments/jpru96/nightmare_at_maples_pch/ Phone posting so you'll have to click links sorry. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/paramedics-called-to-maples-care-home-1.5794040 REVERA EVERYBODY (if even half of this is true...gently caress)
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It's really nice to see that shitshow down south not devolve into urban warfare.
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CrcleSqreSanchz posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Winnipeg/comments/jpru96/nightmare_at_maples_pch/ as of Friday night 72% of the residents of maples care home are infected with covid. this government needs to stand trial for criminal negligence
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Holy poo poo that sucks. This whole thing sucks, and our government is trash.
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DariusLikewise posted:as of Friday night 72% of the residents of maples care home are infected with covid. this government needs to stand trial for criminal negligence Wait this Maples? https://twitter.com/CBCMarina/status/1321511871518773248?s=20 never mind... probably the wrong one... apatheticman has issued a correction as of 18:55 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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