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Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

bradzilla posted:

Almost as though it's intended for the rest of the console's lifespan when pre-loads will be a thing

Yeah, I get that. I'm just noting that I found it amusing that they actually have pre-loads set up prior to launch when Sony's already just been giving out codes.

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Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
From that FAQ:

quote:

Can I transmit my shared content to the new PlayStation App for mobile devices for easy mobile sharing?

Players can share images and videos in Parties via Game Base, and that content is viewable on the new PlayStation app for mobile devices.

????????

This needs some unpacking but it sounds like the new Hack for this is going to be creating a party by yourself and sharing to it? This seems roughly on par with the previous hack of publishing Activity to PSN with an audience of "No One", and definitely preferable to dumping things into a Message to a dummy account.

I'm still... not entirely sure what Game Base is or why it's mentioned here but at an optimistic reading it sounds like I'll just be able to choose "share to party" from the same menu you can Tweet or Tube from.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

GameStop is going to have in-store PS5s for Black Friday.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.

Volte posted:

If you can achieve 60fps at an adaptive resolution above 1080p and downsample it to 1080p, then why would would want to lock the internal framebuffer to 1080p in the first place?

Good call, wasn't thinking about that.

So yeah instead how about, "if 1080p output mode selected in PS5 config menu, automatically enable Better Graphics mode and move max framerate lock from 30fps to 60fps" then just let adaptive resolution do its thing for effectively free anti-aliasing when available.

ROCK THE HOUSE M.D.
Oct 9, 2003

I've got a case of malt liquor stashed in the trunk, Mr. Marvin Gaye on the CD. We are gonna get all the way down.



I also read they are going to have Xbox Series X/S in store for launch this week.

edit: woops, thought this was the videogame deals thread.

ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Nov 9, 2020

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
E: Disregard.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Fedule posted:

From that FAQ:


????????

This needs some unpacking but it sounds like the new Hack for this is going to be creating a party by yourself and sharing to it? This seems roughly on par with the previous hack of publishing Activity to PSN with an audience of "No One", and definitely preferable to dumping things into a Message to a dummy account.

I'm still... not entirely sure what Game Base is or why it's mentioned here but at an optimistic reading it sounds like I'll just be able to choose "share to party" from the same menu you can Tweet or Tube from.

gamebase is the new bloated friends/messages/party system on the ps5 ui.
its why the ps4's changes to the party system have been confusing and annoying, all the social features of ps5 are rolled into one thing called game base but on ps4 we are still dealing with them all having separate menus in the ui and having wild poo poo happening like joining a friend's party and them not being there because what you actually joined was the party for the message chain you created one time by txting "sup" to them last year.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator


I swear Sony said they weren't going to allow that, for COVID reasons?

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming

CottonWolf posted:

I swear Sony said they weren't going to allow that, for COVID reasons?

They said there wouldn't be in-store units at launch

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




CottonWolf posted:

I swear Sony said they weren't going to allow that, for COVID reasons?

black friday and launch day are different days

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.
Have any goons who pre-ordered from Best Buy had their unit ship yet?


SlyFrog posted:

Are we sure? I literally just ordered the OLED a day ago. I still have the ability to cancel the order.

IDK, I am honestly not going to worry about it. I think you'll be pretty impressed with the set. Plus we have another goon in the thread saying they use it with Gsync and didn't notice any issues.

Plus, according to reddit QLEDs have the same issue...

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
Also,

Fedule posted:

It was kind of blink and you'll miss it in the Recommended Settings video but it looks like PS5 will indeed have a web browser, so, :confuoot:

This has now been directly contradicted by the FAQ, so I don't know what the Browser in that video was referring to. Maybe it's like Switch where there's a couple things that bring up a browser window even though there's not A Web Browser.

Volte
Oct 4, 2004

woosh woosh

GreatGreen posted:

Good call, wasn't thinking about that.

So yeah instead how about, "if 1080p output mode selected in PS5 config menu, automatically enable Better Graphics mode and move max framerate lock from 30fps to 60fps" then just let adaptive resolution do its thing for effectively free anti-aliasing when available.
That makes more sense, although I have my doubts that a locked 60fps for Good Graphics Mode is necessarily an achievable target even at 1080p, since that mode is where raytracing comes into play. It would likely drop below 1080p60 and start looking like rear end, defeating the purpose and putting more pressure on devs to hit performance targets.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

Real hurthling! posted:

black friday and launch day are different days

morestuff posted:

They said there wouldn't be in-store units at launch

Ah, I didn't realise it was just launch.

qbert
Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.
Does the PS5 work like PCs where the lower resolution you go, the more CPU-dependent the game becomes? Or does it not matter since CPU and GPU are all in one chip?

hcreight
Mar 19, 2007

My name is Oliver Queen...

CottonWolf posted:

Ah, I didn't realise it was just launch.

TBF at least one retailer (I think Best Buy?) said no in-store console purchases during the holidays.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

Yeah I believe Best Buy said no in store next gen console until 2021.

Storm One
Jan 12, 2011

GreatGreen posted:

Does it bother anybody else that PS5 games are apparently being standardized to include a "Worse Graphics 60fps 4k" mode and a "Better Graphics 30fps 4k" mode but no "Better Graphics 60fps 1080p" mode?

Yes :sigh:

It could render at 540p for all I care, just give me the goddamn frames :argh:

framerate >>>>> image quality >> pixelcount

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.

qbert posted:

Does the PS5 work like PCs where the lower resolution you go, the more CPU-dependent the game becomes? Or does it not matter since CPU and GPU are all in one chip?

It's not so much that lowering the resolution makes a game more CPU dependent, it's that increasing the frame-rate and removing the GPU bottleneck will make a game more CPU dependent. An system on chip vs a CPU / GPU setup wouldn't change this.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Fedule posted:

Also,


This has now been directly contradicted by the FAQ, so I don't know what the Browser in that video was referring to. Maybe it's like Switch where there's a couple things that bring up a browser window even though there's not A Web Browser.

Well poo poo this is a blow to Porn hub

acksplode
May 17, 2004



qbert posted:

Does the PS5 work like PCs where the lower resolution you go, the more CPU-dependent the game becomes? Or does it not matter since CPU and GPU are all in one chip?

It has nothing to do with the CPU and GPU being on one chip. Generally games become more CPU-dependent as framerate goes up, since naturally there's CPU work involved in rendering each frame. This is true on any hardware, console or PC. However with console games you usually don't have many graphics settings to play with, or insight into internal framerate or CPU/GPU util, so it's less apparent. So if you're on a PC playing a GPU-bottlenecked game, and you drop resolution and use resulting GPU overhead to increase framerate (or just turn off vsync and uncap the framerate), you will likely see CPU util increase as you drop the resolution. The GPU has less work to do each frame, allowing it to render more frames, thus forcing the CPU to render more frames to keep up. If a console game and its performance profiles fit that model, then it'll have the same effect. If Spider-Man: MM's quality mode enhancements don't put additional load on the CPU, then it's likely that its lower framerate will cause it to use less CPU than performance mode. On the other hand, you have games like Hitman 2 that are bottlenecked by the CPU on the last-gen consoles. Hitman 2 couldn't hit locked 60 FPS at any resolution on any PS4 model because the CPU couldn't handle it, lowering resolution wouldn't help there. That's why Hitman 2 easily gets a locked 60 on PS5's much faster CPU.

acksplode fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 9, 2020

qbert
Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.

acksplode posted:

It has nothing to do with the CPU and GPU being on one chip. Generally games become more CPU-dependent as framerate goes up, since naturally there's CPU work involved in rendering each frame. This is true on any hardware, console or PC. However with console games you usually don't have many graphics settings to play with, or insight into internal framerate or CPU/GPU util, so it's less apparent. So if you're on a PC playing a GPU-bottlenecked game, and you drop resolution and use resulting GPU overhead to increase framerate (or just turn off vsync and uncap the framerate), you will likely see CPU util increase as you drop the resolution. The GPU has less work to do each frame, allowing it to render more frames, thus forcing the CPU to render more frames to keep up. If a console game and its performance profiles fit that model, then it'll have the same effect. If Spider-Man: MM's quality mode enhancements don't put additional load on the CPU, then it's likely that its lower framerate will cause it to use less CPU than performance mode. On the other hand, you have games like Hitman 2 that are bottlenecked by the CPU on the last-gen consoles. Hitman 2 couldn't hit locked 60 FPS at any resolution on any PS4 model because the CPU couldn't handle it, lowering resolution wouldn't help there. That's why Hitman 2 easily gets a locked 60 on PS5's much faster CPU.

Gotcha. So for a game like Miles Morales, this means that a locked 60fps at 1080p would use the exact same CPU power as the locked 60fps Performance mode?

acksplode
May 17, 2004



That depends on a few things, you really have to be able to monitor the system directly to be certain. A game may render at a higher internal framerate than the display refresh rate. So it's possible that quality mode is hovering just above 60 FPS internally while performance mode is going buck wild rendering at like 100, and if that's the case then performance mode will still consume more CPU time. Those frames you aren't seeing still have a cost. And quality mode may add features that require CPU, making them harder to compare directly. However if the game locks the internal framerate to 60 in both modes, and quality mode doesn't add any features that chew CPU, then yeah I'd expect both modes to have the same CPU usage. I have no idea how Spider-Man manages its internal framerate, someone who knows more about the game probably would.

MrMidnight
Aug 3, 2006

Is it Thursday yet

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

It is

dreffen
Dec 3, 2005

MEDIOCRE, MORSOV!

So Godfall is going to be a hot Anthem-like mess right?

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

dreffen posted:

So Godfall is going to be a hot Anthem-like mess right?

It's shaping up to be a real Godfail.

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.

dreffen posted:

So Godfall is going to be a hot Anthem-like mess right?

Nah, people actually had expectations for Anthem.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

Too Human II

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

dreffen posted:

So Godfall is going to be a hot Anthem-like mess right?

I didn’t think Godfall was going to be a games as a service title? Looking at gameplay last week, it actually looks pretty good. It’ll be on PC this week too but only on Epic Game Store.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming
https://twitter.com/insomniacgames/status/1325890911826423808?s=20

That's nice at least, though it's still weird they're adding this after the fact

acksplode
May 17, 2004



il serpente cosmico posted:

Nah, people actually had expectations for Anthem.

Yeah, Godfall doesn't look ambitious enough to disappoint like Anthem did. I fully expect they'll deliver what they've been selling

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


I believe the Godfall devs explicitly said it wouldn't be a GaaS game, but I could be confusing it with Outriders.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




why is godfall always online if the devs insist its not a games a service game?

il serpente cosmico
May 15, 2003

Best five bucks I've ever spend.
I want my PS5. Waiting gets tougher the closer you get.

Akuma
Sep 11, 2001


morestuff posted:

https://twitter.com/insomniacgames/status/1325890911826423808?s=20

That's nice at least, though it's still weird they're adding this after the fact
At first this was great news because I was thinking I could continue my progress! Then I remembered I sold the PS4 version already so I can't export it...

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Akuma posted:

At first this was great news because I was thinking I could continue my progress! Then I remembered I sold the PS4 version already so I can't export it...

idgi, the save should be on your hdd or in sony's cloud right? i know you know its not scratched into the disc

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

morestuff posted:

https://twitter.com/insomniacgames/status/1325890911826423808?s=20

That's nice at least, though it's still weird they're adding this after the fact

nice, now do the same for yakuza 7, insomniac!!

still not gonna get the remaster until its on a sale tho, digital only, pah.

edit: hahah just realized, thats andrew garfield spider-man right? hmmm those spidey 3 rumours are tingling.

Vikar Jerome fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Nov 9, 2020

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

Real hurthling! posted:

idgi, the save should be on your hdd or in sony's cloud right? i know you know its not scratched into the disc

no mans sky requires that you upload your ps4 save from within the game in order to convert it to a ps5 save. them saying that they have to update the spidey ps4 app to add this feature suggests the game will be needed

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Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Real hurthling! posted:

idgi, the save should be on your hdd or in sony's cloud right? i know you know its not scratched into the disc

The PS4 version is getting a patch to allow an export of the save, so it sounds like the game itself has to do it.

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