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Gun Jam posted:(also, a bit late, but about getting angry at the actor selling his own species - have you considered he's being lied to? For all he knows, Visser 3 is the good guy) The great thing about this series being about a bunch of teenagers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time is that a whole lot of stuff is plausibly excused as kids being dumb teenagers.
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 22:29 |
Yeah, Visser Three was dangling the carrot of we make you a REAL star in front of him. It's The Sharing in a nutshell - promise exactly what they want in exchange for just one small thing.
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# ? Nov 9, 2020 10:18 |
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The scene on the boat seems clearly influenced by the old "deal with the devil" type story, even to the extent of the evil radiating off Visser Three in his human form. It's even got "Sell me your soul and I will give you what you most desire."
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# ? Nov 9, 2020 14:44 |
"You won't say no" is a great villain line.
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# ? Nov 9, 2020 19:35 |
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:It’s mentioned later that the Yeerks think Ax is akin to a flag or mascot or something, a deliberate point of Andalite pride to keep one member of the fighting warband in Andalite form. I think they also spitball the idea that maybe Ax is their leader since he always does the talking for them. But by that point Visser One and a lot of the smarter Yeerk higher-ups have begun to guess the truth, and it's only Visser Three's obstinacy that means the "Andalite bandits" theory is still the generally accepted one.
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# ? Nov 9, 2020 22:38 |
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Book 12: The Reaction-Chapter 23quote:I saw a flash of teeth. I don't think she needed to find another bathroom after that. quote:I tripped over the crocodile. I hit the floor. The croc was on me in a flash. So to sum up the chapter, you've got a grizzly bear and a llama fighting a crocodile while a squirrel tries to blind it. Chapter 24 quote:Maybe it was the sight of the brave-but-insane charge of the llama. Or maybe it was the fact that Cassie was once more scrabbling at the crocodile’s eyes. But he opened his jaws just an inch. Just enough. That could solve their Yeerk problem.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 03:53 |
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Epicurius posted:
gently caress, yeah, Marco!
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 04:45 |
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Epicurius posted:This was an animal that fed by dragging full-grown wildebeests and impalas into the river. Am I mistaken or didn't she say it was a saltwater crocodile before?
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 05:53 |
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Are... are crocodiles really that much tougher than a bear?
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 08:47 |
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freebooter posted:Am I mistaken or didn't she say it was a saltwater crocodile before? I don't see anything about saltwater in the text.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 09:07 |
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Saltwater crocs are most commonly found in saltwater, but they can handle freshwater and can be found in rivers.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 09:16 |
GodFish posted:Are... are crocodiles really that much tougher than a bear? They've been basically unchanged since the time of dinos. Yes, they are that much tougher. They're about as close as it gets to a perfect ambush predator.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 09:20 |
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The croc-grizzly horror from the previous chapter immediately reminded me of Zoofights. Hoping no one turns into a Swanmass at any point in this series. Don't crocs have almost no jaw opening strength? So if they got it in a position where its mouth was stuck shut, it would almost be helpless (or as helpless as a 25 foot croc could be)? Or am I thinking of alligators? This is one of those weird distinctions I never really bothered to learn or internalize, despite my total obsession with animals and this series. Plus it would feel like a very Animorphs climax to find some way to clamp the animal's mouth shut by llama Marco stepping on it or whatever. Not that we're not winding up for a total Animorphs climax here anyway. I really love the complete chaos and terror of the morph allergy contrasted with the goofy teen celebrity crush local news stuff.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 09:41 |
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Don't crocs have almost no jaw opening strength? So if they got it in a position where its mouth was stuck shut, it would almost be helpless (or as helpless as a 25 foot croc could be)? Or am I thinking of alligators? Crocs (and alligators, and you and me and most things with jaws) do have really weak jaw opening strength. So, you probably could hold his jaw shut. Unfortunately, for that, they're also really strong and, if they want, can knock you off them or roll over on you pretty easily.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 15:13 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:They've been basically unchanged since the time of dinos. Yes, they are that much tougher. They're about as close as it gets to a perfect ambush predator. Yeah. When this thread was going over 'what would your favorite battle morph be?,' I picked the saltwater crocodile for a reason. Twenty feet of muscle and armor, an excellent swimmer, and shockingly stealthy in its preferred environment. They've killed a non-trivial number of people in recorded human history.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 17:54 |
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Don't crocs have almost no jaw opening strength? So if they got it in a position where its mouth was stuck shut, it would almost be helpless (or as helpless as a 25 foot croc could be)? This is something I heard a lot as a kid. What they didn't mention is that crocs love rolling around and around, potentially disorienting or maiming their captured prey. So good luck holding on to the jaws. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLy-Iiy_Zp4
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Cythereal posted:Yeah. When this thread was going over 'what would your favorite battle morph be?,' I picked the saltwater crocodile for a reason. Twenty feet of muscle and armor, an excellent swimmer, and shockingly stealthy in its preferred environment. They've killed a non-trivial number of people in recorded human history. Think I would go with hippo for the humor/terror ratio. Have you ever seen what one of those fuckers can do to a whole watermelon? Rhino would also be cool, i just got to the rhino book and it's a real uh, blast. If Rachel was honest about all of this, maybe Cassie could have just brought a roll of duct tape with her to the show, taped the croc up before it fully sloshed out of Rachel, and been done with it. Not that she knew she would go critical then, but hey. E: Bobulus posted:This is something I heard a lot as a kid. What they didn't mention is that crocs love rolling around and around, potentially disorienting or maiming their captured prey. So good luck holding on to the jaws.
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 19:35 |
This thread should watch Crocodile Hunter, because holy poo poo him diving on crocs and flinging his arms around them while giggling and laughing was just loving nuts
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Khizan posted:Saltwater crocs are most commonly found in saltwater, but they can handle freshwater and can be found in rivers. But they're a different species (a larger species, though you don't want to gently caress with either) from Nile crocodiles, which I guess is what this one is based on Rachel's prey description. Niles live in Africa, salties live in Australia and historically all over SE Asia, though they've been mostly wiped out in that range. Nile crocodile fun fact: they dig burrows up to 12 metres deep, the deepest of any animal! Saltwater crocodile fun fact: they mostly live in estuaries but can swim in the ocean and travel huge distances, even popping up as far away as Fiji: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/6/100607-science-animals-crocodiles-hunter-surfing/ Bobulus posted:This is something I heard a lot as a kid. What they didn't mention is that crocs love rolling around and around, potentially disorienting or maiming their captured prey. So good luck holding on to the jaws. Particularly because they're river's edge ambush predators and drag the prey underwater while they do it. Here's Val Plumwood's account of surviving a crocodile's death roll: quote:Few of those who have experienced the crocodile's death roll have lived to describe it. It is, essentially, an experience beyond words of total terror. The crocodile's breathing and heart metabolism are not suited to prolonged struggle, so the roll is an intense burst of power designed to overcome the victim's resistance quickly. The crocodile then holds the feebly struggling prey underwater until it drowns. The roll was a centrifuge of boiling blackness that lasted for an eternity, beyond endurance, but when I seemed all but finished, the rolling suddenly stopped. My feet touched bottom, my head broke the surface, and, coughing, I sucked at air, amazed to be alive. The crocodile still had me in its pincer grip between the legs. I had just begun to weep for the prospects of my mangled body when the crocodile pitched me suddenly into a second death roll. https://www.utne.com/arts/being-prey
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:This thread should watch Crocodile Hunter, because holy poo poo him diving on crocs and flinging his arms around them while giggling and laughing was just loving nuts Steve Irwin then becomes Visser Three's #1 infestation target. (It was the 90s, he was still with us )
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# ? Nov 10, 2020 23:40 |
Steve Irwin dives on the back of some horfific giant beast while yelling THIS IS SO DANGEROUS
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:27 |
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Book 12: The Reaction-Chapter 25quote:The audience screamed in renewed horror. I always love it when Yeerks nope out. quote:And that’s when the lights went out. RIP Yertak 142. Anyway, in all seriousness, lets talk a little bit about Andalites. First of, Ax is a teenager. Ax also managed to slaughter a crocodile with his tail blade. We've seen him, in the past, amputate limbs. The big difference between Andalites and the Animorphs when it comes to morphing is that the Animorphs use their morphing to fight. Andalites use it for scouting and espionage. They don't use it to fight because they don't have to. If anything, the biggest clue that these aren't Andalites but humans is that they fight in morph. But Visser Three, partly because he loves the abilities morphing gives him so much, can't see that. Chapter 26 quote:We demorphed in the ladies’ room. Ax did the opposite, morphing into his human form. Cassie ain't dumb. quote:The man made a snorting, dismissive sound and turned away. So, fortunately, Cassie was Rachel...maybe a better Rachel than Rachel. Chapter 27 quote:Two days later, we sat around watching TV up in my hotel room. It would be another week at least till my house was rebuilt. Great image, btw. quote:And standing on the windowsill there was a fierce red-tailed hawk. Followed by a completely shattering one. quote:We watched TV and picked at remnants of pie crust as familiar theme music started to play. That last chapter was sweet. Actually, I liked this whole book, and better than I thought it was. We don't learn a lot about the characters, and it doesn't really develop the story at all. To a large extent, really, it's just a book about Rachel and Cassie. The other Animorphs aren't really in the book. But it's fun, It goes into the idea of celebrity crushes, and the whole sort of parasocial relationship you have with somebody who you don't even know. Plus, the whole studio scene is just funny, from Rachel trying to control herself in front of the jerky hairstylist, to the woman who really has to use the bathroom, to Marco being overly proud of being on TV, to the fact that Cassie's first instinct when it comes to confronting a crocodile is to become a squirrel. So, I really enjoyed the whole thing. It was fun. Tomorrow, I hope you're sick of the main characters and the 90s, because we start The Andalite Chronicles.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 02:34 |
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While I am not sick of either of those things, I am very excited about the Andalite Chronicles.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 02:39 |
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Andalite Chronicles is one of the high points of the series IMO. The chronicles and Visser are all fantastic.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:05 |
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Epicurius posted:Tomorrow, I hope you're sick of the main characters and the 90s, because we start The Andalite Chronicles. Oh wow, I didn't realise that came this early in the series. That line about the stapler stuck in my head through the years. I could never figure out what he was actually meant to be saying.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:11 |
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quote:When he rapped out the word “Andalite!” she kept walking and without hesitation said, “Yeah, a light would be helpful, too.” I always liked this bit. Epicurius posted:
Agreed. I feel like I've enjoyed this one more now than when I was a kid.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:18 |
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quote:We lounged around, eating pie. The Animorphs. Cassie, the ecology nut, animal girl; Marco, who thought everything was a joke; and our fearless yet modest leader, Jake. Sincerely yours, The Breakfast Club Looking forward to those Chronicles!
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:20 |
ALLORAN DID NOTHING WRONG
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:27 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:ALLORAN DID NOTHING WRONG Toby frowns disapprovingly
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:38 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:ALLORAN DID NOTHING WRONG
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 04:41 |
Epicurius posted:When he rapped out the word “Andalite!” she kept walking and without hesitation said, “Yeah, a light would be helpful, too.”
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 05:00 |
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Epicurius posted:That last chapter was sweet. Actually, I liked this whole book, and better than I thought it was. We don't learn a lot about the characters, and it doesn't really develop the story at all. To a large extent, really, it's just a book about Rachel and Cassie. The other Animorphs aren't really in the book. But it's fun, It goes into the idea of celebrity crushes, and the whole sort of parasocial relationship you have with somebody who you don't even know. Plus, the whole studio scene is just funny, from Rachel trying to control herself in front of the jerky hairstylist, to the woman who really has to use the bathroom, to Marco being overly proud of being on TV, to the fact that Cassie's first instinct when it comes to confronting a crocodile is to become a squirrel. So, I really enjoyed the whole thing. It was fun. Yeah, this is a fun book, which surprised me a little bit. My hazy memories of the plot kind of stuck it together with the more gimmicky books that make up a decent chunk of the middle of the series and are of more mixed quality. I also completely forgot the Andalite Chronicles were this early. I would have figured they came late in the series. Major spoilers: Tobias' moment with Elfangor in the construction yard had me wondering if Applegate had planned Tobias' relation to Elfangor from the start. I guess that means yes, she had.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 05:20 |
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Agreed. I feel like I've enjoyed this one more now than when I was a kid. Yeah, same. It helped that compared to most of the other books we've gone through so far, the ~yeerk plot of the week~ wasn't the main focus—the morphing allergy was. That allowed the book to go in some slightly different directions than what we're already used to, and to bring out some really nice character moments (Especially between Rachel and Cassie). And, of course, every Marco moment was pure gold.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 05:42 |
I just had a horrifying thought. If Cassie had tried to acquire Rachel and ended up allergic, she would have ended up popping out a genetically identical Rachel, but without any memories.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:I just had a horrifying thought. If Cassie had tried to acquire Rachel and ended up allergic, she would have ended up popping out a genetically identical Rachel, but without any memories. I'd guess that you can't be allergic to your own species. A human allergic to human DNA is going to have problems.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 08:57 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:ALLORAN DID NOTHING WRONG I always thought of the Andalite Chronicles as coming after book 13 in the series, but I think that's just something arbitrary I latched onto. They were published in the same month.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 11:21 |
What did he do wrong
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 11:34 |
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Oh yes. The Andalite Chronicles are some goooood readin'.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 11:37 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:What did he do wrong Something something, organ-liquefying genocide virus
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Tulul posted:I also completely forgot the Andalite Chronicles were this early. I would have figured they came late in the series. Major spoilers: Tobias' moment with Elfangor in the construction yard had me wondering if Applegate had planned Tobias' relation to Elfangor from the start. I guess that means yes, she had. She said she hadn't.
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