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ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

Glad to have caught up, will join in as Cuba or smth for the next vote

e: a shameful snipe, last post last page was an update

# ? Nov 10, 2020 21:40

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Sanev.Khan: Mar 4, 2019

Nice update, and interesting fluff on the mines.

Could you change Radia Zaytsev's "training" research from 15cm Carronade to Turret Tracking Speed please? (another Energy Weapons tech, more useful) Is me asking nicely enough, or does it need to be put up to a vote?

We discussed it last time and people seemed in favor enough and we have the resources, so I'd suggest building a new military academy on Earth. Not by using all of our industrial output, just enough of it right now that it'd take a year and half or so to build, and leave the percentage as it is. Hopefully, with the growing industries on the side, it'll actually be done in a year. Once it's built, a return to the normal mine/factory bounces for the next four years, unless something else is proposed to be built, or all of our industry is converted.
And to leave the Earth academies under the administration of a scientist as they are right now I think, so that they generate yet more scientists.

Also I propose repealing I-31, the five year plans, and a return to the one-year plans, because it's going to get annoying and it's not super compatible with yearly updates, our rapid teching-up and we'll need more flexibility when we've finished converting our industry. And also, we're already reconvening every year anyway.

I don't see it on the reports, how are we on the wealth side of things? I know it doesn't matter much to us godless commies, but the game likely still cares a lot.
And do we have enough maintenance facilities for all our ships?

Sanev.Khan fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Nov 10, 2020

# ? Nov 10, 2020 22:12

HiHo ChiRho: Oct 23, 2010

I am formally proposing that we start working efforts to realign the remaining ex US polities in North America to being under the Comintern.

I figure we could work on with two simultaneous steps: 1) Continuing our public outreach by offering aid and support to the communities of the former USA, and 2) Step up intelligence actions, connecting with and supplying materials to communist groups in those areas to help influence the populations there to shift support it the Comintern.

Ideally we focus on the polities on the east coast first, as if there were any GLADIO held locations supporting any hostile naval forces based out the North Sea, they'd be there.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 22:23

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Sanev.Khan posted:

We discussed it last time and people seemed in favor enough and we have the resources, so I'd suggest building a new military academy on Earth. Not by using all of our industrial output, just enough of it right now that it'd take a year and half or so to build, and leave the percentage as it is. Hopefully, with the growing industries on the side, it'll actually be done in a year. Once it's built, a return to the normal mine/factory bounces for the next five years, unless something else is proposed to be built, or all of our industry is converted.
And to leave the Earth academies under the administration of a scientist, so that they generate yet more scientists.

Seconded, we still have a lack of trained scientists in a variety of fields.

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Also I propose repealing I-31, the five year plans, and a return to the one-year plans, because it's going to get annoying and it's not super compatible with yearly updates, our rapid teching-up and we'll need more flexibility when we've finished converting our industry. And also, we're already reconvening every year anyway.

Also Seconded, in these turbulent times we really cannot predict what will be useful in five years, best not to tether ourselves to an artificial timetable. If something is a good idea to do for five years, it'll be done in five years whether it's reviewed yearly or not.

As for other current issues,

1) Proposal for comissioning a new higher capacity cargo ship design. The Lunar Socialist Republic has been begging for infrastructure investment for years, and it has been hamstrung by the tiny cargo capacity of the Luna, a prototype ship that was technologically obsolete before it was even built and our sole cargo freighter. An updated design with what we know now would allow us to more efficiently colonize the moon as well as other bodies, and the design could help as a demonstration for our Hawaiian contractors in the commercial sector. if this requires research into better cargo bays, so be it. edit: apparently this is already in the works, please disregard

2) Proposal for EM and Thermal scan of Mars in anticipation of a formal Xenoarcheology expedition to Cydonia. The Cydonia Ruins are potentially incalculably valuabe, but we can't rule out that they're not as dead as we'd like. A further orbial scan can be done per Foxfire_'s earlier workshopping:

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A 50RP project for a dinky 100 ton engine would let us make an Electron-like platform self-mobile at almost-Karzalek speeds with a few billion km range. That would get us orbital EM scans on a weeks timescale, and we could do something similar once the FESTER thermal sensor is ready. The crew accommodations are also maybe generous enough to transport a small (fluff) initial science team since it'd be a few-months mission instead of its design multi-year deployment.

Following on this, and assuming the area is secure, a specialist team trained in Xenoarcheology should be sent to do a proper and thorough excavation of the ruins. The facilities in Barsoom will serve as a convenient base camp.

Also, President Mondale thanks the Comintern intelligence agencies for aiding us in securing Rochester from the "Minnesota Patriot Corps," as well as the Socialist Aid Program for helping us weather the recent blizzard. It's a shame our Wisconsin neighbors have not enjoyed this prosperity, and we hope to extend continuing diplomatic overtures to normalize relations

(muttering under breath) dumb Cheeseheads...

Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Nov 10, 2020

# ? Nov 10, 2020 22:40

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

I propose that we arm my surveillance station so I can be a mighty god in the skies, dispensing justice from above.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 22:44

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

Asterite34 posted:

1) Proposal for comissioning a new higher capacity cargo ship design. The Lunar Socialist Republic has been begging for infrastructure investment for years, and it has been hamstrung by the tiny cargo capacity of the Luna, a prototype ship that was technologically obsolete before it was even built and our sole cargo freighter. An updated design with what we know now would allow us to more efficiently colonize the moon as well as other bodies, and the design could help as a demonstration for our Hawaiian contractors in the commercial sector. if this requires research into better cargo bays, so be it.

For reference, four of the following design are currently over half-completed in the Comintern's orbital shipyards, with a projected completion date of April 4:

code:

Berowra class Cargo Ship      19,888 tons       107 Crew       338.1 BP       TCS 398    TH 375    EM 0
942 km/s      Armour 1-65       Shields 0-0       HTK 46      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 1      PPV 0
MSP 90    Max Repair 20 MSP
Cargo 10,000    Cargo Shuttle Multiplier 2    
Junior Officer 2nd Rank    Control Rating 1   BRG   
Intended Deployment Time: 56 months    

Jet Propulsion Laboratory FV625C Nuclear Thermal Rocket (6)    Power 375.0    Fuel Use 10.06%    Signature 62.5    Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 4.5 billion km (55 days at full power)

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

Each of them has four times the capacity of the Luna.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 22:46

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Mister Bates posted:

For reference, four of the following design are currently over half-completed in the Comintern's orbital shipyards, with a projected completion date of April 4:

...Thank you, that will do nicely :downs:

# ? Nov 10, 2020 22:57

Serf: May 5, 2011

The Lower Georgia United Workers' Front proposes the following:

1) The Comintern deploys whatever personnel and equipment are necessary to Mars to study the alien ruins. If we're going to be slow, we should be thorough.
2) We attempt to infiltrate Gladio, or at worst task our intelligence agencies with listening in on their transmissions and trying to discover what their plans are.
3) Explore the sea floor. We know more about the solar system at this rate than the oceans on our planet. Perhaps this new generation of submarine, rather than being used for war as they would have in the past, be used to enhance the understanding of our own world. Surely TNE-derived hulls would allow diving to depths never seen before and their scanners could map this great unknown. And who knows, perhaps visitors other than the Roswell ship ended up lost here in the past. The Earth's surface is mostly water, statistically other extraterrestrial wrecks would be found beneath the waves
4) Light investment in Luna's mining capabilities. It doesn't have to be much at the moment given our large reserves earthside, but getting extraction facilities in place sooner rather than later would be a good idea.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 23:16

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

Propose that all academies are to be led by scientists for the next 10 years or until a nonhuman political group makes its aggressive intentions clear.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 23:17

64bitrobot: Apr 20, 2009; Likes to Lurk

64bitrobot posted:

The RCORR would like to put forth a plan to deal with the Gladio situation.

Well, it's less of a plan, and more of methodology. The FESTER project has given informational control far beyond any capability any comrade could have possibly imagined. Although we might not be getting the specific conversations out of any intercepted transmission, it is allowing the gathering of precise information on locations and assumedly, cell numbers.

If the cells are not inter-linked, as theorized, then perhaps by leveraging the large amount of operational information, we could turn the cells on each other. The way we could do this would be by intercepting dead drops, replacing orders with new orders which have the cells working against each other, or similarly disrupting the chain of command and replacing their orders with more beneficial to the world as a whole.

Of course, this plan would likely required trained teams of counter-intelligence agents in order to pull off.

The RCORR wishes to put forth this suggestion here as a formal plan for dealing with this issue.

NewMars posted:

In order to deal with Gladio, the UAWR is planning to propose what we call the "Order by Rail" initiative. All across the world logistical networks are still ruined by bombshell, ravaged by time and neglect or even deliberately sabotaged in order to keep isolation. To deal with this, we want to create a truly global railway network, with lines to every village. Cars allow for personal mobility and roads and highways made for them are therefore invaluable to groups like GLADIO, destroyed infrastructure and that which caters to the automobile are both vectors for insurrectionist groups like them. What's more, they make personal mobility a matter of status and wealth, restricting the proletariat. A rail to every town makes a region united and lessens the avenues of movement for rebels while also greatly increasing them for the workers.

Also although this wasn't made a proposal, if there is in fact, any propposal for a world wide TNE rail network, then we would support that.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 23:24

Servetus: Apr 1, 2010

I would like to put forward my own plan.

I propose that we make the capability to decrypt the GLADIO network a research priority; and until we achieve that capability and have it deployed in the field we play our cards close to the vest. We should keep our disruptions of their network minimal to disguise our surveillance until we have broken their codes and identified the North sea contact. Then we can determine the best way to launch a decisive strike.

As an addendum; while this is not part of the main proposal I would ask that comrades well-versed in military design weigh in on the design of craft or ground batteries with point defense capable of stopping a pre-TNE missile attack. Should the worse come to pass and GLADIO possesses a submarine still capable of launching a missile attack, we must be ready to defend the people.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 23:50

Kitfox88: Aug 21, 2007; Anybody lose their glasses?

Servetus posted:

I would like to put forward my own plan.

I propose that we make the capability to decrypt the GLADIO network a research priority; and until we achieve that capability and have it deployed in the field we play our cards close to the vest. We should keep our disruptions of their network minimal to disguise our surveillance until we have broken their codes and identified the North sea contact. Then we can determine the best way to launch a decisive strike.

As an addendum; while this is not part of the main proposal I would ask that comrades well-versed in military design weigh in on the design of craft or ground batteries with point defense capable of stopping a pre-TNE missile attack. Should the worse come to pass and GLADIO possesses a submarine still capable of launching a missile attack, we must be ready to defend the people.

Seconded this proposal. Letting GLADIO know we are unwrapping their web bit by not prior to being positioned for a killing blow would be foolish. And, while I am remiss to support military buildup, dedicated anti-bombardment defenses are well within acceptable bounds.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 23:57

Veloxyll: May 3, 2011; Fuck you say?!

The Extraplanetary Discovery Focus Act
It is proposed that we commence appropriate research and equipping of a team to explore the alien ruins on Mars as a matter of priority. We have known for some time about the existence of alien life. That they had an in system facility is troubling in the extreme. We should immediately start investigating its secrets to ensure we are better prepared for whatever comes.

# ? Nov 10, 2020 23:59

Antilles: Feb 22, 2008

Let's see, since we're currently operating on 5-year targets:

Comrades, the Kalmar Union wishes to propose a long-term plan to centralize the administrative functions of ComIntern. With more and more of Earth�s citizens joining the ComIntern cause, the founding of our first colony Lunagrad and the creation of a research outpost on Mars, alongside likely one or more mining outposts in the near future, we fear what may happen if the ComIntern administrative apparatus does not grow and adapt to our changing circumstances.
As such we would like to propose research into both an administrative center suitable to oversee the entire planet and however many colonies and outposts we end up establishing in our solar system, as well as a suitable facility to house it. We suggest Paolo Soleri�s concept of an arcology, a large sealed self-sustaining facility not unlike our off-world colony setups. This would also allow us to follow the example set by MOSA�s choice of Ascenscion Island and construct it somewhere sufficiently remote and inhospitable to be considered neutral.
Of course, we do not wish to create an ivory tower, away from the plights and concerns of our comrades, so any staff placed there must be rotated out, say every five years, and if any representatives choose to take up an office there they too must spend, say four months every year in their home territory.
1. Research Improved Command & Control. 2. Build a Sector Command facility on Earth (possibly with some amount of Infrastructure that is then deleted to represent it being an arcology?). 3. Change Sector Governor every 5 years.

We would also like to propose the following instructions to our diplomatic corps, to see if we can improve relations with currently neutral states:
1.Contact the Indian Communist parties and through them "negotiate" a trade of large number of pre-fab housing and basic infrastructure in exchange for their surplus food. If they agree, the surplus food will then be distributed by the Socialist Aid Program to where it's needed most.
2. Offer the Arabic League if they join ComIntern they'll get the first fuel refinery and resources to train engineers and scientists in this field. While the monopolies and profit-seeking of the old oil industry cannot be repeated, hopefully getting the chance to become our most experienced experts in this field will sweeten the bitter pill.
3. Try to convince Japan to agree to similar levels of cooperation as with Hawaii, opening the door for trade and certain low-level manufacturing/research projects between ComIntern and Japan.

However we deal with GLADIO we feel like we should release if not publicly then at least to all relevant parties the basic facts (i.e. not revealing the existence of secret spy satelites) of GLADIO and their mission, to ward off potential infiltration of GLADIO cells into these organizations and if we're lucky the reveal of a common foe will make negotiating with some of these groups easier.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:07

Pacho: Jun 9, 2010

Veloxyll posted:

The Extraplanetary Discovery Focus Act
It is proposed that we commence appropriate research and equipping of a team to explore the alien ruins on Mars as a matter of priority. We have known for some time about the existence of alien life. That they had an in system facility is troubling in the extreme. We should immediately start investigating its secrets to ensure we are better prepared for whatever comes.

The NOMAD Collective Seconds this proposal

We also present again, the Venera Initiative 2.0, research the technologies needed for habitation and mining operations in Venusian CloudSpace/low orbit and start these mining colonies when the technologies are researched. As not to fight with other research proposals, the number of labs needed for this can be negotiated with them

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:10

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Serf posted:

The Lower Georgia United Workers' Front proposes the following:

1) The Comintern deploys whatever personnel and equipment are necessary to Mars to study the alien ruins. If we're going to be slow, we should be thorough.
2) We attempt to infiltrate Gladio, or at worst task our intelligence agencies with listening in on their transmissions and trying to discover what their plans are.
3) Explore the sea floor. We know more about the solar system at this rate than the oceans on our planet. Perhaps this new generation of submarine, rather than being used for war as they would have in the past, be used to enhance the understanding of our own world. Surely TNE-derived hulls would allow diving to depths never seen before and their scanners could map this great unknown. And who knows, perhaps visitors other than the Roswell ship ended up lost here in the past. The Earth's surface is mostly water, statistically other extraterrestrial wrecks would be found beneath the waves
4) Light investment in Luna's mining capabilities. It doesn't have to be much at the moment given our large reserves earthside, but getting extraction facilities in place sooner rather than later would be a good idea.

Proposals 1 and 2 seem well in hand from multiple parties making similar proposals, so I will formally Second Proposals 3 and 4. Proposal 4 I would personally like to suggest the addition of a small pilot project investigating Mass Driver-based mineral transport between Luna and Earth, as a test for future interplanetary trade logistics. We pledge the full resources of Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Cooperative to assist.

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Pacho posted:

We also present again, the Venera Initiative 2.0, research the technologies needed for habitation and mining operations in Venusian CloudSpace/low orbit and start these mining colonies when the technologies are researched. As not to fight with other research proposals, the number of labs needed for this can be negotiated with them

Seconded, while we feel full colonization efforts are still some ways off, research into the technology at least should be considered.

Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Nov 11, 2020

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:10

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

Antilles posted:

1. Research Improved Command & Control. 2. Build a Sector Command facility on Earth (possibly with some amount of Infrastructure that is then deleted to represent it being an arcology?). 3. Change Sector Governor every 5 years.

We would also like to propose the following instructions to our diplomatic corps, to see if we can improve relations with currently neutral states:
1.Contact the Indian Communist parties and through them "negotiate" a trade of large number of pre-fab housing and basic infrastructure in exchange for their surplus food. If they agree, the surplus food will then be distributed by the Socialist Aid Program to where it's needed most.
2. Offer the Arabic League if they join ComIntern they'll get the first fuel refinery and resources to train engineers and scientists in this field. While the monopolies and profit-seeking of the old oil industry cannot be repeated, hopefully getting the chance to become our most experienced experts in this field will sweeten the bitter pill.

Seconding these. The proposals I left out were left out on purpose, I'm not so sold on bringing the Japanese in so close so quick. They make all the right noises, sure, but their militarization and hosting of revanchist governments are not encouraging signs. Bringing up GLADIO is a bad idea with unaligned third parties too imo, it might help a bit in some negotiations but it will DEFINITELY get leaked back to GLADIO that we know quite a bit about them and are actively pursuing them.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:14

sebmojo: Oct 23, 2010; Legit Cyberpunk

PurpleXVI posted:

I propose that we arm my surveillance station so I can be a mighty god in the skies, dispensing justice from above.

The people's Republic of new zealand can see no way in which this could go wrong: SECONDED

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:20

Antilles: Feb 22, 2008

Crazycryodude posted:

Seconding these. The proposals I left out were left out on purpose, I'm not so sold on bringing the Japanese in so close so quick. They make all the right noises, sure, but their militarization and hosting of revanchist governments are not encouraging signs. Bringing up GLADIO is a bad idea with unaligned third parties too imo, it might help a bit in some negotiations but it will DEFINITELY get leaked back to GLADIO that we know quite a bit about them and are actively pursuing them.

The idea behind it is that GLADIO aren't stupid, they've made a lot of noise and especially once we started capturing agents alive they should've been expecting us to investigate them. By giving out only the basic info we'll hopefully lull them into a false sense of security that we haven't realized the full scope of their plans, that we still view them as just a disparate group of small cells doing targets of opportunity.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:25

welfarestateofmind: Apr 11, 2020; "You are a violent and irrepressible miracle. The vacuum of cosmos and the stars burning in it are afraid of you. Given enough time you would wipe us all out and replace us with nothing -- just by accident."

Our caucus in the Kremlin has two recommendations of our own.

[1] Lunplan Expansion: with the TNE deposits on Luna, a major expansion of infrastructure to accommodate a larger population there. We should prioritize the resources we have the most access to until we have reached a critical mass of resource extraction, while building up as a secondary venture our Martian expansion. Since our focus is already on construction and mining, this should not greatly hamper our larger five year plan.

For this reason, we'd oppose any other settlement efforts at this time, though that's not an actual proposal in itself.

[2] Ribbon Medals: We propose the following three ribbons for "firsts" within the Comintern. These should be retroactively awarded to all who qualify.

The Pathfinder Medal, also known as the Cobb Ribbon, will be awarded to all members of a first landed expedition on another planet.

The Architect of the Socialist Future Medal, also known as the Order of Lysenko, will be granted for those who spend 5 years on an extraplanetary outpost in an administrative position for the Comintern, as a reward for their service away from home building interplanetary socialism. This will only be granted to those who left their home planet, which down the line might include others other than Earth.

The First Contact Medal will be granted to all those in an expedition wherein first contact is made with an extant extraterrestrial polity.

In response and approval of the proposal for a new Comintern structure, we have two additional recommendations.

[3] The designation of the Comintern be changed to the Communist Interplanetary, though the abbreviation remains the same.

[4] We request a commitment by all member polities of the Comintern, especially if other proposals to invite India, Japan, and others who have had space-facing ambitions, to not create an alternative to MOSA, and that all space travel within the Communist Interplanetary be under MOSA's remit. (I don't know the mechanics of Aurora, but the idea is to have no true "civilian" space services and have it all be central/state-owned, or at least subject to our directives if that would be extremely bad to do mechanically in the game.)

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:37

Foxfire_: Nov 8, 2010

Asterite34 posted:

Seconded, we still have a lack of trained scientists in a variety of fields.

Sanev.Khan posted:

We discussed it last time and people seemed in favor enough and we have the resources, so I'd suggest building a new military academy on Earth. Not by using all of our industrial output, just enough of it right now that it'd take a year and half or so to build, and leave the percentage as it is. Hopefully, with the growing industries on the side, it'll actually be done in a year. Once it's built, a return to the normal mine/factory bounces for the next four years, unless something else is proposed to be built, or all of our industry is converted.

Be aware a new academy is the equivalent of 120 factory conversions, about 1/3 of the entire total that we've done so far. It's a huge undertaking.
We're also not that badly off; we are short in biology, defensive systems, and ground combat. Every other field we have someone for. We also have some double-covered that we could reassign people.

Asterite34 posted:

1) Proposal for comissioning a new higher capacity cargo ship design. The Lunar Socialist Republic has been begging for infrastructure investment for years, and it has been hamstrung by the tiny cargo capacity of the Luna, a prototype ship that was technologically obsolete before it was even built and our sole cargo freighter. An updated design with what we know now would allow us to more efficiently colonize the moon as well as other bodies, and the design could help as a demonstration for our Hawaiian contractors in the commercial sector. if this requires research into better cargo bays, so be it. edit: apparently this is already in the works, please disregard

Moot, but we're short on infrastructure, not transport capacity. It's so short of a travel time that even the Luna can move infrastructure faster than we build it. Also, it will be pretty much always be limited by infrastructure unless we ban immigrants. The Hawaiian ships can move hundreds of thousands of people per day, and they'll do so as long as the colony is accepting new colonists.

Servetus posted:

As an addendum; while this is not part of the main proposal I would ask that comrades well-versed in military design weigh in on the design of craft or ground batteries with point defense capable of stopping a pre-TNE missile attack. Should the worse come to pass and GLADIO possesses a submarine still capable of launching a missile attack, we must be ready to defend the people.

Minimum is researching (1) some sort of direct-fire weapon, (2) finish theoretical active sensor research, (3) a specific turret design to mount it, (4) a specific fire control sensor, (5) a specific active sensor design, (6) a ground formation to contain it. Basic gauss cannon is 1500RP, but it's one of the fields we're good at (2.2X research speed). The specific designs afterwards are all small change, about a couple hundred total at most.

Serf posted:

4) Light investment in Luna's mining capabilities. It doesn't have to be much at the moment given our large reserves earthside, but getting extraction facilities in place sooner rather than later would be a good idea.

We don't have an abundance of mining capability on Earth right now. We'd be moving a mine from a high-productivity area to a low-productivity area. Luna is also short on workers right now and any mining would be shortstaffed unless we also brought the ground forces training center back/shut it down

Sanev.Khan posted:

I don't see it on the reports, how are we on the wealth side of things? I know it doesn't matter much to us godless commies, but the game likely still cares a lot.

I think we are negative actually, there is a 4% production penalty on all planets that is otherwise unexplained. It'll get worse as time goes on.

Proposal: Organizational wealth Capacity
If we are actually at negative monthly balance, bump CI->Organizational Center conversion to the top of the industrial queue until monthly balance becomes positive, then go back to CI->factories

Proposal: Long term research efficiency and scientist development
This proposal is to implement prioritized research in a way that doesn't hamper long-term total scientific output and professional development.

Under our current system, prioritized research topics are implemented by minimizing the time for that project at the expense of everything else. For example, Orbital Mining Module is currently being researched by a spacecraft propulsion expert because they are capable of organizing half of our entire lab network onto a single topic, minimizing the time to completion. However, that means that (1) research per lab is low since the project leader is not a production expert, and (2) the leader is spending all their time dealing with the basics of this new field and will not improve either their specialty or administrative capability.

This proposal would change that to:
- Unless specifically directed otherwise, implement research priorities by assigning the project to the most skilled scientist in the appropriate field, then giving them the maximum number of labs they can operate.
This will delay prioritized projects, but increases the total research output of the scientific community, and allows for skill growth in the lead researchers. The effect is not small, a fully in-specialty research community is about 1.6X as productive as what we are doing now and that will rise as leaders gain experience

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welfarestateofmind posted:

[2] Ribbon Medals: We propose the following three ribbons for "firsts" within the Comintern. These should be retroactively awarded to all who qualify.
...
The Architect of the Socialist Future Medal, also known as the Order of Lysenko, will be granted for those who spend 5 years on an extraplanetary outpost in an administrative position for the Comintern, as a reward for their service away from home building interplanetary socialism. This will only be granted to those who left their home planet, which down the line might include others other than Earth.
...
[3] The designation of the Comintern be changed to the Communist Interplanetary, though the abbreviation remains the same.

Seconding Architect of the Socialist Future Medal and change to naming. Not 2nd-ing the other two ribbons since their award would be the consequence of job assignments, not personal valor.

Foxfire_ fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Nov 11, 2020

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:42

NewMars: Mar 10, 2013

The UAWR would like to propose the Trans-newtonian Global Network Project.

This project is as follows:

The creation of a complete integrated mass transit network based on the goal of connecting every populated area on the planet from village to metropolis. The major focus being on connecting isolated, rural or war-torn areas where separatist and revanchist areas like GLADIO recruit and operate. Secondary priorities are to replace automotive infrastructure beginning with areas where it has been neglected, assaulted or sabotaged with the gradual goal of replacing the usage of the car for non-specialized civilian tasks entirely. Mass transit options are to include, but not be limited to: train, subway, monorail and tram networks.

It is our sincere hope that this will result in connecting the world. When any human, no matter their status can travel from Beijing to Cape Town on the same network, unobstructed, the freedom of socialism will be made manifest to all. Small-minded beliefs flourish in the absence of others. For over a decade road wars raged across the Continent, from the Meanjin Commune to the Union cities to the capitalist holdouts of the west coast. Every small town and village became an island, surrounded by wilderness and the roads only a reminder of how alone they are. Trans-newtonian rail projects in Australia have helped to heal this continent and turn it from lights in a desert night to a community again. I can only hope it does so well for the rest of the world.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 00:46

Servetus: Apr 1, 2010

Foxfire_ posted:

Minimum is researching (1) some sort of direct-fire weapon, (2) finish theoretical active sensor research, (3) a specific turret design to mount it, (4) a specific fire control sensor, (5) a specific active sensor design, (6) a ground formation to contain it. Basic gauss cannon is 1500RP, but it's one of the fields we're good at (2.2X research speed). The specific designs afterwards are all small change, about a couple hundred total at most.

I there a particular reason to use a ground formation over a satellite for this purpose?

Foxfire_ posted:

Proposal: Organizational wealth Capacity
If we are actually at negative monthly balance, bump CI->Organizational Center conversion to the top of the industrial queue until monthly balance becomes positive, then go back to CI->factories

Proposal: Long term research efficiency and scientist development
This proposal is to implement prioritized research in a way that doesn't hamper long-term total scientific output and professional development.

Under our current system, prioritized research topics are implemented by minimizing the time for that project at the expense of everything else. For example, Orbital Mining Module is currently being researched by a spacecraft propulsion expert because they are capable of organizing half of our entire lab network onto a single topic, minimizing the time to completion. However, that means that (1) research per lab is low since the project leader is not a production expert, and (2) the leader is spending all their time dealing with the basics of this new field and will not improve either their specialty or administrative capability.

This proposal would change that to:
- Unless specifically directed otherwise, implement research priorities by assigning the project to the most skilled scientist in the appropriate field, then giving them the maximum number of labs they can operate.
This will delay prioritized projects, but increases the total research output of the scientific community, and allows for skill growth in the lead researchers. The effect is not small, a fully in-specialty research community is about 1.6X as productive as what we are doing now and that will rise as leaders gain experience

Both proposals Seconded

# ? Nov 11, 2020 01:00

Serf: May 5, 2011

Foxfire_ posted:

We don't have an abundance of mining capability on Earth right now. We'd be moving a mine from a high-productivity area to a low-productivity area. Luna is also short on workers right now and any mining would be shortstaffed unless we also brought the ground forces training center back/shut it down

fair enough, proposal withdrawn

# ? Nov 11, 2020 01:08

Pacho: Jun 9, 2010

NewMars posted:

The UAWR would like to propose the Trans-newtonian Global Network Project.

This project is as follows:

The creation of a complete integrated mass transit network based on the goal of connecting every populated area on the planet from village to metropolis. The major focus being on connecting isolated, rural or war-torn areas where separatist and revanchist areas like GLADIO recruit and operate. Secondary priorities are to replace automotive infrastructure beginning with areas where it has been neglected, assaulted or sabotaged with the gradual goal of replacing the usage of the car for non-specialized civilian tasks entirely. Mass transit options are to include, but not be limited to: train, subway, monorail and tram networks.

It is our sincere hope that this will result in connecting the world. When any human, no matter their status can travel from Beijing to Cape Town on the same network, unobstructed, the freedom of socialism will be made manifest to all. Small-minded beliefs flourish in the absence of others. For over a decade road wars raged across the Continent, from the Meanjin Commune to the Union cities to the capitalist holdouts of the west coast. Every small town and village became an island, surrounded by wilderness and the roads only a reminder of how alone they are. Trans-newtonian rail projects in Australia have helped to heal this continent and turn it from lights in a desert night to a community again. I can only hope it does so well for the rest of the world.

The NOMAD Collective seconds this proposal, we gotta keep the world moving

# ? Nov 11, 2020 01:13

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Man, the moon is in such a weird place right now, in that we don't have a large enough workforce to spin up heavy resource extraction or industry, but we're already at population capacity unless we start throwing infrastructure at it that we just don't have until Earth's native industry gets converted.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 01:13

Foxfire_: Nov 8, 2010

Asterite34 posted:

Man, the moon is in such a weird place right now, in that we don't have a large enough workforce to spin up heavy resource extraction or industry, but we're already at population capacity unless we start throwing infrastructure at it that we just don't have until Earth's native industry gets converted.

Fidelity of simulation thing. Training a few hundred infantry shouldn't require that much stuff, but the game doesn't have anything smaller than a 1m worker complex that could also produce trucks/tanks/mechs/planes/giant armored bunkers.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 01:30

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

Asterite34 posted:

Man, the moon is in such a weird place right now, in that we don't have a large enough workforce to spin up heavy resource extraction or industry, but we're already at population capacity unless we start throwing infrastructure at it that we just don't have until Earth's native industry gets converted.

Well the original plan was for them to be a research base like a tenth the size (or smaller) right now, and only get as big as they currently after Earth was more fixed up. But then the Hawaiians showed up.

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Nov 11, 2020

# ? Nov 11, 2020 01:43

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Foxfire_ posted:

Fidelity of simulation thing. Training a few hundred infantry shouldn't require that much stuff, but the game doesn't have anything smaller than a 1m worker complex that could also produce trucks/tanks/mechs/planes/giant armored bunkers.

Oh I'm not complaining about verisimilitude, just the catch-22 of this transitional state. There's just so much to do

Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Nov 11, 2020

# ? Nov 11, 2020 01:45

64bitrobot: Apr 20, 2009; Likes to Lurk

welfarestateofmind posted:

Our caucus in the Kremlin has two recommendations of our own.

[1] Lunplan Expansion: with the TNE deposits on Luna, a major expansion of infrastructure to accommodate a larger population there. We should prioritize the resources we have the most access to until we have reached a critical mass of resource extraction, while building up as a secondary venture our Martian expansion. Since our focus is already on construction and mining, this should not greatly hamper our larger five year plan.

For this reason, we'd oppose any other settlement efforts at this time, though that's not an actual proposal in itself.

[2] Ribbon Medals: We propose the following three ribbons for "firsts" within the Comintern. These should be retroactively awarded to all who qualify.

The Pathfinder Medal, also known as the Cobb Ribbon, will be awarded to all members of a first landed expedition on another planet.

The First Contact Medal will be granted to all those in an expedition wherein first contact is made with an extant extraterrestrial polity.

The RCORR will Second these ribbons and the expansion proposal.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 02:24

HereticMIND: Nov 4, 2012

On the topic of other extrasolar polities, the Delmarva Commonality is concerned about the possibility of hostile powers turning an eye towards Sol. We really don�t know what is out there, but we best not leave much (if anything) to chance. No matter how friendly we are, there are some who would either exploit our kindness or lash out at our open hand.

To this end, the think tanks at the Commonality Revolutionary Guard, stationed at Ft. Meade, Ann Arundel County, Maryland, and the Commonality Revolutionary Navy, stationed in Annapolis, Ann Arundel County, Maryland have come up with the following protocol and submit it for consideration and approval:

>PROTOCOL VH-2387-BLUE-WARHOUND, aka �The Fox in The Hen House Protocol� or �The Goose Chase Protocol�

All Comintern ship crews, from those serving aboard tender ships to those stationed aboard warships of any size, upon the outbreak of hostilities with extrasolar powers, are to immediately purge all navigational logs and libraries to prevent the location of Sol being discovered. Failure to do so will result in charges of treason being leveled against the offending Comintern crew. Should technical difficulties arise during the process of purging said navigational logs, the ship in question is to commence self-destruction/scuttling procedures and render, to the best of their ability, their navigational library unsalvageable by BOTH Comintern forces AND hostiles.

If, during any naval operations/action, a retreat order is given, all ships participating in that action are to scramble their jump coordinates before exiting the battle and jump to a random location, prioritizing escape routes that bypass Sol if at all possible. Comintern Fleets that jump towards Sol, either by accident or by design, will, upon reaching Sol, have their navigational computers purged and their crews reassigned to other vessels at random, to prevent hostiles from discovering Sol�s location and the commanders in charge of such fleets will be summarily disciplined accordingly.

HereticMIND fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Nov 11, 2020

# ? Nov 11, 2020 02:36

Foxfire_: Nov 8, 2010

Servetus posted:

I there a particular reason to use a ground formation over a satellite for this purpose?

Not huge ones. Gauss cannon might need to be cut down a bit to fit into a fighter/satellite. Also our ability to manufacture fighters will be dropping away as CI continues to convert into not-fighter factories. Probably still have enough if we did this soon since there's a lot to chew through still. Depending on what finances looks like & what we're planning with research, we might want to redirect some of the CI->organization center conversions into fighter/ordnance factories (1RP costs 1 wealth, so more productive labs are more expensive)

# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:18

sebmojo: Oct 23, 2010; Legit Cyberpunk

HereticMIND posted:

On the topic of other extrasolar polities, the Delmarva Commonality is concerned about the possibility of hostile powers turning an eye towards Sol. We really don’t know what is out there, but we best not leave much (if anything) to chance. No matter how friendly we are, there are some who would either exploit our kindness or lash out at our open hand.

To this end, the think tanks at the Commonality Revolutionary Guard, stationed at Ft. Meade, Ann Arundel County, Maryland, and the Commonality Revolutionary Navy, stationed in Annapolis, Ann Arundel County, Maryland have come up with the following protocol and submit it for consideration and approval:

>PROTOCOL VH-2387-BLUE-WARHOUND, aka “The Fox in The Hen House Protocol” or “The Goose Chase Protocol”

All Comintern ship crews, from those serving aboard tender ships to those stationed aboard warships of any size, upon the outbreak of hostilities with extrasolar powers, are to immediately purge all navigational logs and libraries to prevent the location of Sol being discovered. Failure to do so will result in charges of treason being leveled against the offending Comintern crew. Should technical difficulties arise during the process of purging said navigational logs, the ship in question is to commence self-destruction/scuttling procedures and render, to the best of their ability, their navigational library unsalvageable.

If, during any naval operations/action, a retreat order is given, all ships participating in that action are to scramble their jump coordinates before exiting the battle. Comintern Fleets that jump towards Sol, either by accident or by design, will, upon reaching Sol, have their navigational computers purged and their crews reassigned to other vessels at random, to prevent hostiles from discovering Sol’s location.

The people's Republic of new Zealand asks for clarification on the term "jump" which appears to be undefined (possibly counter revolutionary?) Jargon

# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:39

HereticMIND: Nov 4, 2012

sebmojo posted:

The people's Republic of new Zealand asks for clarification on the term "jump" which appears to be undefined (possibly counter revolutionary?) Jargon

The Delmarva Commonality believes that extrasolar travel will be within the Comintern�s reach within at the next 5 - 10 years, if not sooner (this is going off of several projections based on our current TNE-propulsion capabilities, the rate of research into extrasolar travel, and our production abilities). Thus, VH-2387-BLUE-WARHOUND was devised as a safeguard against hostile powers since, if we were able to exercise extrasolar travel, so too would our foes.

The term �jump� was coined by a Comrade Scientist working in the Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Howard County, Maryland and was used to define the act of travel between solar systems. She is currently working on a prototype of such a drive as a proof of concept. She admits that the term is a placeholder until we hammer out a more appropriate term for the phenomenon, but it seems to have stuck with her colleagues.

HereticMIND fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Nov 11, 2020

# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:52

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

Fantastical imaginings about interstellar travel aside, the MOSA is a moderately sized civilian industrial and scientific agency. Instituting harsh wartime measures for imaginary battles against an imagined enemy seems... premature?

# ? Nov 11, 2020 03:56

Servetus: Apr 1, 2010

Foxfire_ posted:

Not huge ones. Gauss cannon might need to be cut down a bit to fit into a fighter/satellite. Also our ability to manufacture fighters will be dropping away as CI continues to convert into not-fighter factories. Probably still have enough if we did this soon since there's a lot to chew through still. Depending on what finances looks like & what we're planning with research, we might want to redirect some of the CI->organization center conversions into fighter/ordnance factories (1RP costs 1 wealth, so more productive labs are more expensive)

I'm concerned that if we use ground formations it may give away the situation to GLADIO. They might connect a buildup in anti-air/anti-missile batteries near the North Sea with our target and warn them. If the cannons are mounted on a satellite or vessel in orbit it would be harder for them to recognize it.

In addition, we have that proposal to arm Comrade PurpleXVI, and I would much rather give the good comrade plenty of point defense instead of missiles or carronades. Less chance of an incident.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 04:02

HereticMIND: Nov 4, 2012

Crazycryodude posted:

Fantastical imaginings about interstellar travel aside, the MOSA is a moderately sized civilian industrial and scientific agency. Instituting harsh wartime measures for imaginary battles against an imagined enemy seems... premature?

Perhaps, but one of the aides (who worked at one of the think tanks that created the protocol in question) told the Commonality ambassadors to the Comintern that �It never hurts to be prepared.� When pressed, he admitted that both CRG and CRN High Command were concerned that Sol would be vulnerable if no such protocol was in place, even though such enemies are currently imaginary at the moment, which was why the protocol was drafted by those same think tanks.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 04:04

Darkrenown: Jul 18, 2012; please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

HereticMIND posted:

On the topic of other extrasolar polities, the Delmarva Commonality is concerned about the possibility of hostile powers turning an eye towards Sol. We really don�t know what is out there, but we best not leave much (if anything) to chance. No matter how friendly we are, there are some who would either exploit our kindness or lash out at our open hand.

To this end, the think tanks at the Commonality Revolutionary Guard, stationed at Ft. Meade, Ann Arundel County, Maryland, and the Commonality Revolutionary Navy, stationed in Annapolis, Ann Arundel County, Maryland have come up with the following protocol and submit it for consideration and approval:

>PROTOCOL VH-2387-BLUE-WARHOUND, aka �The Fox in The Hen House Protocol� or �The Goose Chase Protocol�

All Comintern ship crews, from those serving aboard tender ships to those stationed aboard warships of any size, upon the outbreak of hostilities with extrasolar powers, are to immediately purge all navigational logs and libraries to prevent the location of Sol being discovered. Failure to do so will result in charges of treason being leveled against the offending Comintern crew. Should technical difficulties arise during the process of purging said navigational logs, the ship in question is to commence self-destruction/scuttling procedures and render, to the best of their ability, their navigational library unsalvageable.

If, during any naval operations/action, a retreat order is given, all ships participating in that action are to scramble their jump coordinates before exiting the battle. Comintern Fleets that jump towards Sol, either by accident or by design, will, upon reaching Sol, have their navigational computers purged and their crews reassigned to other vessels at random, to prevent hostiles from discovering Sol�s location.

Seems premature, no one has discovered a way to leave Sol yet.

Also, while I haven't played Aurora I have read the Starfire books based on the same ruleset - Assuming travel is the same there is no random jumping in different directions, ships just enter warp points/wormholes which connect two star systems and instantly appear at the other side. If ships are out surveying and meet aliens there's probably only one known route back to human space, and possibly no other routes at all. Their only practical choice is to run back the way they came immediately, run back the way they came after breaking contact, or suicide.

quote:

. Comintern Fleets that jump towards Sol, either by accident or by design, will, upon reaching Sol, have their navigational computers purged and their crews reassigned to other vessels at random, to prevent hostiles from discovering Sol�s location.

This doesn't make any sense at all, even if travel works the way you imagine. What would be the point of this?

Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Nov 11, 2020

# ? Nov 11, 2020 04:15

Rhjamiz: Oct 28, 2007

Agreed, these harsh preventative measures are both premature and seem rather pointless. I doubt very much we will be able to keep an alien polity from discovering the way to Sol and punishing our brave sailors for matters outside their control seems counterproductive.

edit: Thick armor and brave sailors seem like a better defense against aliens than secrecy.

Rhjamiz fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Nov 11, 2020

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I ride bikes all day: Sep 10, 2007; I shitposted in the same thread for 2 years and all I got was this red text av. Ask me about my autism!; College Slice

Gen. Uvorvykishki (ret.), Ukrainian Delegate to the People's Congress

I propose we dedicate our 5 year plan to design, research, prototype, and produce a space superiority ship by 1987. If this initiative passes, I would like to have a design contest where scientists and engineers can submit truly next generation ships for use in the defense of Sol. I suggest we commit 25 of our 40 labs to this project. Our remaining labs should be distributed between improvements in construction, mining, and research efficiency.

Our industry will continue to focus on the conversion of conventional industry to TN equipped structures, per the Drunken Bear policy. No more than 25% of our industry can be allowed to be diverted to other projects.

# ? Nov 11, 2020 04:33

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