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Meatball posted:I'm expecting trump to just say at a rally next week "we're gonna figure out a way to make sure I'm president next year." The GOP has spent the last year digging through Biden's history trying to find things to attack him over. If there was a magic bullet that would destroy Biden's public support, they would have found it by now. Murgos posted:The people who want a Trump cabinet member on their board of directors or on their consulting team are exactly the people who are going to exclude someone fired by Trump. No one else wants a Trump cabinet member on their board, even if they were fired. The reason former cabinet officials get hired is for their connections and government experience. As long as Esper can reasonably claim to know some cool tricks for winning defense contracts, no company's gonna care which president he worked under or how he left the job.
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VitalSigns posted:it's funny because in the Federalist Papers they talk about this (to critique the Articles government), and bring up historical examples of republics that failed because a minority could obstruct everything and keep the government from being able to function, and it was impossible to fix because that minority can obstruct any proposals to reduce their ability to obstruct. Well, a lot of flaws in the Constitution at compromise they had to put in to even get enough states to sign in, i.e. result of minority obstruction over not wanting to give up a non-representative excessive amount of power..
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TulliusCicero posted:I'm pretty sure no, because Chuck Schumer would be majority leader No he wouldn't. The next Senate is inaugurated on Jan 5th; the runoffs are Jan 6th. McConnell will have 50 votes to 48 on Jan 5th. They can do a number of parliamentary things in that 24hr window. evilweasel posted:so powell v. mccormak does not appear to apply to me because that's a case about excluding someone nobody doubts was legally elected, but was just a criminal. there the problem was they sought to effectively expel a member, but by majority vote rather than the 2/3rds required under the constitution, by saying they wouldn't seat them. Right exactly, I think because of the special election, the new Senate inaugurates the day before, and can then choose whether or not to seat the winners (or, tragedy/farce option if the seats split, just outright seat the GOP member and not the Dem). It may not come to this because the Dems I suspect will lose one or both seats even if the elections are administered fairly. But if it does, it feels like this is the constitutional hardball we should expect from McConnell.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Except that all of these people we’re talking about have long private and public service careers that predate the Trump admin. Trump didn’t, like, hire Esper or Vindman from outside the field into the roles they had when he fired them. Vindmann landed somewhere but it was not the landing he wanted. Esper will land somewhere but is not the full glory of a successful run as SecDef. This isn't a hard concept.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:02
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brugroffil posted:https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1326546601364520962 Apparently they are actually doing an audit https://twitter.com/KimZetter/statu...ingawful.com%2F
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Nov 11, 2020 17:12
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Nov 11, 2020 17:13
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Grouchio posted:The Georgia SOS can't throw away pro-Biden ballots during a recount, correct? This isn't a recount. https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1326549391075799041 It's basically just auditing the paper trail that their voting machines spat out.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:14
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https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1326559429119012866 Seriously, an audit isn't going to take that long. It's all done by machine.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:17
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Rea posted:https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1326559429119012866 The GA SoS says each county is going to recount all ballots by hand. So, uh, I trust that he knows what he's talking about.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:19
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Murgos posted:The GA SoS says each county is going to recount all ballots by hand. So, uh, I trust that he knows what he's talking about. Basically every journalist I can find says this is just GA's legally-required audit, so I don't know what the gently caress Raffensperger is going on about. Could just be his PR team writing an announcement that conflates a recount and an audit because they don't know the difference. Seriously, in the same statement, he also said this is a "recount, an audit, and a recanvass all in one," which I have absolutely no clue what that means. Those three are very different things.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:22
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Petey posted:Right exactly, I think because of the special election, the new Senate inaugurates the day before, and can then choose whether or not to seat the winners (or, tragedy/farce option if the seats split, just outright seat the GOP member and not the Dem). gotcha, i had not looked at the timing there i think that would be a possibility, legally speaking, but i think that it would be unlikely all republicans go along with it, considering there's four currently not going along with the current nonsense regarding the presidency.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:23
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Rea posted:Basically every journalist I can find says this is just GA's legally-required audit, so I don't know what the gently caress Raffensperger is going on about. Could just be his PR team writing an announcement that conflates a recount and an audit because they don't know the difference. I think the idea is that because the margins are so tight, you end up needing to do a hand recount in order to do the audit. I might be wrong here, though.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:24
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Eric Cantonese posted:I think the idea is that because the margins are so tight, you end up needing to do a hand recount in order to do the audit. I might be wrong here, though. the way you would do an audit here would be take a reasonable sample of ballots, scan them, then hand count them, then compare the results
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Nov 11, 2020 17:26
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https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/1326549352907591681 An underrated factor in GA runoff turnout is just how much of the Republican base will be loving dead by January 5th.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:26
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evilweasel posted:gotcha, i had not looked at the timing there Right, I think the question is political, not parliamentary: would McConnell be able to hold his coalition together in that situation, and for how long?
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Nov 11, 2020 17:28
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evilweasel posted:the way you would do an audit here would be take a reasonable sample of ballots, scan them, then hand count them, then compare the results https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1326553419583156230 If Zetter is to be believed (and I don't have any reason to disbelieve her), then the legally-required sample here would be close enough to just auditing every ballot that it just makes better PR sense to audit every ballot.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:29
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/1326549352907591681 COVID's not an automatic death sentence. I'm sure some people will get deeply sick, but others will be well enough to go about continuing to endanger their fellow man after a period of either being asymptomatic or being mildly unwell. And COVID seems to punch harder at minorities since they're the ones doing essential work that cannot be done from home, so it's not all punishment for GOP voters.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:31
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https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1326564507351576576 Okay, apparently this is recounting all the ballots by hand, so the important difference now is that this was going to happen anyway, and isn't the result of the GA GOP and Trump's whining. My head hurts.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:38
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/1326549352907591681 I look at that and plague is the least of my worries. About a thousand things could happen that would lead to a disorganized crowd trying to find the nearest exit, and then someone dies from crushing injuries Having a political rally in a loving strip-mall is just the worst idea I've ever seen from a crowd that runs on bad ideas
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Nov 11, 2020 17:40
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Rea posted:Okay, apparently this is recounting all the ballots by hand, so the important difference now is that this was going to happen anyway, and isn't the result of the GA GOP and Trump's whining. Who cares? Even if it's just to appease the big wet baby, let them recount. There's still no way a recount in Georgia can overturn the results. This isn't Florida.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:44
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Who cares? Even if it's just to appease the big wet baby, let them recount. There's still no way a recount in Georgia can overturn the results. This isn't Florida. I think the primary worry right now is that this recount will go past the deadline for certification (December 8th, iirc) and allow the GA GOP to just send their own electors, regardless of the results. A full hand recount does sound like it'll take a while, but apparently the weird hybrid audit/recount that GA is doing means that some of the time-wasting parts of a recount (having to put the ballots back where they found them) are nullified? https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1326566727950376960 Zetter certainly sounds like she doesn't think it's some ratfucking attempt.
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Rea posted:I think the primary worry right now is that this recount will go past the deadline for certification (December 8th, iirc) and allow the GA GOP to just send their own electors, regardless of the results. Let them. Not only would that STILL not overturn the election, it would be the biggest "gently caress you" to Georgia Democrats in history and practically guarantee big D turnout in the runoffs.
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DarklyDreaming posted:I look at that and plague is the least of my worries. About a thousand things could happen that would lead to a disorganized crowd trying to find the nearest exit, and then someone dies from crushing injuries Covid is spreading like wildfire through the US right now and the most realistic threat to this crowd.
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Nov 11, 2020 17:53
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Rea posted:https://twitter.com/KimZetter/status/1326566727950376960 Honestly this is right on, this is the time when you pull Republicans in on making reforms. Their default setting is to not do poo poo most of the time they're in power and when they win, they certainly have no incentive or instinct to change anything, after all if they just won, then everything must be working fine, so why would you change it. But since they just lost, their internal logic is telling them that something must be broken and needs to be fixed. They can't imagine that they simply lost fairly, so the answer must be either fraud or a glitch, either way, right now they're a lot more open to the idea of increasing election transparency and security.
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If the Alaska vote counting continues like the last dump its going to end up nearly as close as Arizona.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Let them. Not only would that STILL not overturn the election, it would be the biggest "gently caress you" to Georgia Democrats in history and practically guarantee big D turnout in the runoffs. "Let them overturn the results of the election and send their own electors  "::multiple states overturn electoral results and send their own electors and elect Trump to a 2nd term:: "Ah, well, nevertheless" Insurrectum fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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TheBizzness posted:If the Alaska vote counting continues like the last dump its going to end up nearly as close as Arizona. Really?
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Insurrectum posted:"Let them overturn the results of the electron and send their own electors It is an unbelievably dumb system and seems tamperable.
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Nov 11, 2020 18:07
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https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/1326548645034954753?s=21 An interesting way to look at those people where we are wondering whether it's a function of trust in the system to report info.
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/awprokop/status/1326536823644938246 this is literally describing a coup and we shouldn't give it any more credit than we give people freaking out about the sun exploding and killing all of us.
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axeil posted:this is literally describing a coup and we shouldn't give it any more credit than we give people freaking out about the sun exploding and killing all of us. Well of we don't give those people credit, since the sun isn't going to go supernova, it's going to become a red giant.
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I know we're the abused spouse who will always feel afraid, but what they're describing is ridiculous. The pressure isn't only one way, either; the world is moving on from Trump. It's a straight "steal the election" gambit. That's not a legal remedy. The country's over if they do it.
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Insurrectum posted:"Let them overturn the results of the election and send their own electors This isn't going to happen.  IK note Going forward, unless you have a recent article or source quoting Republican led legislatures actually saying they are gonna go forward with just overriding their state's election results (and not the "hmmm, sure would be funny if we did that" takes, I mean actual "We're doing it and there's nothing you can do to stop us" takes), you will eat a probe for posts like this (this goes for everyone) This isn't the thread for Doomposting or Nothing matters posting. axeil posted:this is literally describing a coup and we shouldn't give it any more credit than we give people freaking out about the sun exploding and killing all of us. This is more succinct to what I was getting at.
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axeil posted:this is literally describing a coup and we shouldn't give it any more credit than we give people freaking out about the sun exploding and killing all of us. What they're describing is not a bloodless procession of legal wrangling and Trump winning with one weird trick and wow everyone is okay with it. And presumably everyone making these decisions understands that. Which is why it's hard to take this as anything more serious than stage-setting (which is still really bad!)
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AP has called the Alaska Presidential and Senate races for Trump & Sullivan (R) https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1326575049294360577 https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1326575307248308224 e: and Young (R) for the at large Congressional District https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1326576060843102210
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Biden's already +5 million in the popular vote, likely to end up more than a million above that. Remember the spontaneous celebrations in the streets because he lost? https://twitter.com/toddgillman/status/1326568128843821056
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Good briefing from the Biden legal team about the state of the legal battles. https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMJgpgYqMlxL Includes the lawsuits that judges, including Trump-appointed judges, have thrown out. Also, the RNC is laying off staffers. https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/rnc-layoffs-trump-biden/index.html quote:Departments within the RNC were instructed Monday to inform staffers who were being laid off, though the scale of the layoffs vary among the departments. Most stemmed from those assigned to the RNC-Trump Victory program, the joint fundraising effort between the RNC and Trump campaign that served as the ground and field program for the Trump campaign.
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If you're going to entertain some doom conspiracy (hint: don't,) at least think it all the way through before you start arzying all over the place please. Every allied country is behaving according to Biden becoming the next president. The world media has called the election for Biden. The military actively hates trump, especially the officers. Nobody wants to see what would happen if the GOP pulls a coup, but if they do, they'll be isolated and powerless and the whole thing will be more embarrassing than anything else. I'm not saying they won't try, they're obviously trying right now, there's just no possible scenario I can imagine in which they get what they want at this point.
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